Hi Chris,
Frank is being "cute" cause it's also called a "stump." Here's a site where you can see what it is.
http://share3.esd105.wednet.edu/sotelops/tortillion.htm
Janet
>From: chris gralapp <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: 2008/08/12 Tue PM 02:00:51 CDT
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] SCIART-L Digest - 10 Aug 2008 to 11 Aug 2008 (#2008-204)
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>Wow! what's a tortillion?<br>
><br>
>Chris<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>Kenneth Williams wrote:
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> style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Hi,<br>
>I am Kenneth Williams, fisheries specialist and science illustrator at
>Langston Univ. <br>
>in central Oklahoma. Someone a couple of weeks ago was interested in
>insect drawings. <br>
>I happen to be working on some now for an article I am writing. <br>
>They can be viewed at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www2.luresext.edu/aquaculture/kw.htm.They">http://www2.luresext.edu/aquaculture/kw.htm.They</a>
>are thumbnails <br>
>you can click on for a larger image. All are drawn in graphite, most
>with pencil <br>
>and tortillion; some with a paint brush and graphite in places. The
>website works best <br>
>in microsoft explorer. It gets a bit disoriented in other browsers but
>things work.<br>
> <br>
> <div> </div>
>Kenneth Williams<br>
>Fisheries Extension Specialist<br>
>Langston University Aquaculture Program<br>
>405. 466. 6106
> <div><br>
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>Subject: SCIART-L Digest - 10 Aug 2008 to 11 Aug 2008 (#2008-204)<br>
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>Topics of the day:<br>
> <br>
> 1. PDF file size (3)<br>
> 2. conference publicity (14)<br>
> 3. question<br>
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> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:41:00 +0200<br>
>From: Mieke Roth <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: PDF file size<br>
> <br>
>Hi Geoff,<br>
> <br>
>Did you try to make it work with InDesign? Although I sometimes use
>other<br>
>programs to make pdf's it is really the most practical program to get a<br>
>managable pdf. The advantage is also that you are able to incorporate
>files<br>
>from different programs without losing the ability to edit them in that<br>
>program.<br>
> <br>
>Mieke <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson<br>
>Sent: zondag 10 augustus 2008 22:35<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
> <br>
>Dear David,<br>
> That's what I was doing but the files sizes were still much<br>
>larger than .pdfs containing similar images printed as a pdf from Word
>and<br>
>the image quality was terrible. <br>
>I guess the Illustrator compatibility or some other settings are
>keeping the<br>
>file size big?<br>
>Geoff<br>
> <br>
>-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>On Behalf Of DAVID W. EHLERT<br>
>Sent: Monday, 11 August 2008 2:24 AM<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
> <br>
>Hey Geoff,<br>
> <br>
>If you open a high quality PDF in Acrobat, you can then go to
>ADVANCED> PDF<br>
>Optimizer. Play with the settings to get what you need in terms of file<br>
>size.<br>
>Save the file with a new name, e.g. oldfilename_a.pdf<br>
>Hope that helps. :)<br>
> <br>
>Cheers!<br>
>Dave<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Geoff Thompson wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>> I have been saving PDFs in Illustrator CS3 and Acrobat 8<br>
>> Professional. The files sizes are a lot bigger than if I print a
>similar<br>
>> file, containing the same images, as an Adobe PDF from Word. I
>have tried<br>
>> optimising the files but I lose a lot of quality in photos and the
>files<br>
>are<br>
>> still a lot bigger than if they were made from a different
>program. My<br>
>boss<br>
>> has my old CS creative suite and her version of Acrobat
>Professional has a<br>
>> function (I can't remember its name) that reduces file size
>without losing<br>
>> noticeable image quality. This is not available in my version and
>in any<br>
>> case was greyed out on a file made in Illustrator CS3.<br>
>> What am I doing wrong and what options do I have to get good
>quality<br>
>images<br>
>> in a smaller file size?<br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Geoff Thompson<br>
>><br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:19:36 +1000<br>
>From: Geoff Thompson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: PDF file size<br>
> <br>
>Thanks Mieke,<br>
> We had a long meeting and I didn't get to it. I did try
>making<br>
>the same material into a PDF (without the headings) and it came out at
>about<br>
>300KB with great quality images and text, instead of about 3MB. I don't<br>
>understand why Illustrator makes such huge PDFs and when I tried to
>optimise<br>
>them there is a marked loss of quality in text and images at 1.5MB.<br>
>Seems crazy!<br>
>Will try and have a go with InDesign tomorrow at work.<br>
>Thanks,<br>
>Geoff<br>
> <br>
>-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>Sent: Monday, 11 August 2008 6:41 PM<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
> <br>
>Hi Geoff,<br>
> <br>
>Did you try to make it work with InDesign? Although I sometimes use
>other<br>
>programs to make pdf's it is really the most practical program to get a<br>
>managable pdf. The advantage is also that you are able to incorporate
>files<br>
>from different programs without losing the ability to edit them in that<br>
>program.<br>
> <br>
>Mieke <br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:49:58 -0500<br>
>From: Janet Wilkins <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I didn't even
>need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just the
>so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
> <br>
>I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't need
>to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was just
>one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the library at
>Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning. <br>
> <br>
>It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
> <br>
>Janet P. Wilkins<br>
> <br>
>>From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>>Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the
>conference under July 24th:Â <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html</a><br>
>><br>
>>The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best
>bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a
>subscription. The article came out the week before the conference and
>was posted on the bulletin board at the registration.<a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html</a><br>
>><br>
>>Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the
>tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:28:27 -0400<br>
>From: Frank Ippolito <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
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> <br>
>it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic <br>
>sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the sciences, I
> <br>
>do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the aspects <br>
>seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual science <br>
>illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... inspired by the <br>
>anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our profession. on its
>own <br>
>it would have served as such. but the author then quotes Warren Allmon <br>
>description of "... inspired guesses, and artistic creativity to form a
> <br>
>picture of what animals may have once looked like." all the part's of <br>
>Warren's talk where he mentions actual paleontological illustration
>(and <br>
>not popularized animal restorations) is left out. he then mentions <br>
>Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this keynote was interesting and <br>
>entertaining but not about real science illustration. all this in a one
> <br>
>page article leaves little room to mention what science illustration <br>
>really is and what GNSI typically focuses on during a conference. in <br>
>Omni magazine this would have been expected. I guess when I see
>writings <br>
>in journals such as Nature or Science I am expecting an article written
> <br>
>for scientists.<br>
> <br>
>-frank<br>
> <br>
>>Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I didn't
>even need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>just the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>><br>
>>I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't
>need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was
>just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the
>library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning. <br>
>><br>
>>It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>><br>
>>Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>>>From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>> <br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>>>Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of
>the conference under July 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html</a><br>
>>><br>
>>>The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your
>best bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a
>subscription. The article came out the week before the conference and
>was posted on the bulletin board at the registration.<a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html</a><br>
>>><br>
>>>Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the
>tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>> <br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
> <br>
> <br>
>-- <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito<br>
>Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>American Museum of Natural History<br>
>Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>NY NY 10024<br>
>(212) 769-5812<br>
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> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a> <br>
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>it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic<br>
>sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the sciences, I<br>
>do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the aspects<br>
>seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual science<br>
>illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... inspired by the<br>
>anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our profession. on its<br>
>own it would have served as such. but the author then quotes Warren<br>
>Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and artistic creativity to<br>
>form a picture of what animals may have once looked like." all the<br>
>part's of Warren's talk where he mentions actual paleontological<br>
>illustration (and not popularized animal restorations) is left out. he<br>
>then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this keynote was<br>
>interesting and entertaining but not about real science illustration.<br>
>all this in a one page article leaves little room to mention what<br>
>science illustration really is and what GNSI typically focuses on<br>
>during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been expected. I<br>
>guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or Science I am<br>
>expecting an article written for scientists.<br><br>
><br><br>
>-frank<br><br>
><blockquote<br>
>cite="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"<br>
>type="cite"><br>
> <pre wrap="">Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article
>and I didn't even need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>distance, just the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
> <br>
>I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't need
>to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was just
>one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the library at
>Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning. <br>
> <br>
>It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
> <br>
>Janet P. Wilkins<br>
> <br>
> </pre><br>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> <pre wrap="">From: gretchen halpert <a
>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>></a><br>
>Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br>
>Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> </pre><br>
> </blockquote><br>
> <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
> </pre><br>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> <pre wrap="">Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the
>conference under July 24th:Â <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html</a></a><br>
> <br>
>The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best bet
>for reading it is from a university library unless you have a
>subscription. The article came out the week before the conference and
>was posted on the bulletin board at the registration.<a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html</a><br>
> <br>
>Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the tiara.)Elmira,
><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br>
> </pre><br>
> </blockquote><br>
> <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
> </pre><br>
></blockquote><br>
><br><br>
><br><br>
><pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito<br>
>Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>American Museum of Natural History<br>
>Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>NY NY 10024<br>
>(212) 769-5812<br>
><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a> <br>
><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a> <br>
><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
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> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:31:29 -0400<br>
>From: duboisworks <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: question<br>
> <br>
>I'm looking for a writer/historian of NY to do the scholarship for a
>book I'm putting together.Does anyone have a recommendation or
>suggestion?<br>
>Thanks<br>
>Ann<br>
> <br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.duboisartgallery.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.duboisartgallery.com</a><br>
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> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:42:58 -0400<br>
>From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic
>=20<br>
>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>sciences,=A0 =<br>
>=20<br>
>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the =20<br>
>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual
>=20<br>
>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... =20<br>
>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our
>=20<br>
>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>author =20=<br>
> <br>
>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses,
>and =20=<br>
> <br>
>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>once =20=<br>
> <br>
>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions
>actual =<br>
>=20<br>
>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>restorations) =<br>
>=20<br>
>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this
>=20<br>
>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>science =20=<br>
> <br>
>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to
>=20<br>
>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>typically =20=<br>
> <br>
>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have
>been =20=<br>
> <br>
>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature
>or =20=<br>
> <br>
>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>><br>
>> -frank<br>
>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>didn't even =20=<br>
> <br>
>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>just =20=<br>
> <br>
>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>><br>
>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you
>didn't =20=<br>
> <br>
>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and
>it was =<br>
>=20<br>
>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to
>the =20<br>
>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>morning.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>report of the =20=<br>
> <br>
>>>> conference under July =20<br>
>>>> 24th:=A0<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=20="
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=20=</a><br>
> <br>
>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature.
>Your best =20=<br>
> <br>
>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you
>have a =20=<br>
> <br>
>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>conference =20=<br>
> <br>
>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the =20<br>
>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20="
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20=</a><br>
> <br>
>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the
>=20<br>
>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --=20<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:52:42 -0500<br>
>From: Janet Wilkins <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science illustration
>and Nature Journal that I think got lost in cyberspace!<br>
> <br>
>Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article in
>Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The
>cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?"
>and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied
>Science, Northwestern University.<br>
> <br>
>It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today is
>"divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
> <br>
>Janet Wilkins<br>
> <br>
>>From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>>On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the
>basic <br>
>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>sciences, <br>
>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>the <br>
>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>actual <br>
>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>creatures... <br>
>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to
>our <br>
>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>author <br>
>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>guesses, and <br>
>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>once <br>
>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>mentions actual <br>
>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>restorations) <br>
>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>this <br>
>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>science <br>
>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>room to <br>
>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>typically <br>
>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>have been <br>
>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>Nature or <br>
>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>didn't even <br>
>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>distance, just <br>
>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that
>you didn't <br>
>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00
>and it was <br>
>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write
>to the <br>
>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>morning.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>report of the <br>
>>>>> conference under July <br>
>>>>> 24th:Â <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a>
> <br>
>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>Nature. Your best <br>
>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless
>you have a <br>
>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>conference <br>
>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the <br>
>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>
> <br>
>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you
>the <br>
>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> -- <br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:56:36 -0400<br>
>From: Lynn Usack <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never happened
>before<br>
>right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I understand<br>
>Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a prestigious<br>
>journal.<br>
>Lynn<br>
> <br>
>-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic <br>
>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>sciences, <br>
>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the <br>
>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual <br>
>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... <br>
>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our
> <br>
>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>author <br>
>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses,
>and <br>
>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>once <br>
>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions
>actual <br>
>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>restorations) <br>
>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>this <br>
>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>science <br>
>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room
>to <br>
>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>typically <br>
>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have
>been <br>
>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature
>or <br>
>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>><br>
>> -frank<br>
>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>didn't even <br>
>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>just <br>
>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>><br>
>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you
>didn't <br>
>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and
>it was <br>
>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to
>the <br>
>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>morning.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>report of the <br>
>>>> conference under July <br>
>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a>
> <br>
>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature.
>Your best <br>
>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you
>have a <br>
>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>conference <br>
>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the <br>
>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>
> <br>
>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the <br>
>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -- <br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:58:37 -0700<br>
>From: Deb Haines <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: PDF file size<br>
> <br>
>Geoff..<br>
>You need to check your Illustrator settings. See what your print
>output is at (1200 dpi, 600dpi, etc.) <br>
>Make sure that you have all your colors converted to CMYK if you are
>sending the file out for printing. Otherwise you<br>
>should make sure that both profiles are included in case you are using
>RGB images/colors. <br>
>I always print to PDF that way I can pre-flight (optimize my settings
>in advance).  As others have already<br>
>recommended you can "optimize" after the fact but you do need to set
>your selections and there is no guarantee<br>
>on output qualiity. Typically the optimize is used for web and to
>reduce files for attachment and review. I would not necessarily
>optimize for a final print job.  If the file it to large for
>attachement I was request an FTP site to upload<br>
>the file. <br>
>Does this help?<br>
>Â <br>
>Deb<br>
>Â <br>
>DK Haines Illustrations & Design <br>
>4906 Skyline Drive • Knoxville, TN 37914 <br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>----- Original Message ----<br>
>From: Mieke Roth <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 4:41:00 AM<br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
> <br>
>Hi Geoff,<br>
> <br>
>Did you try to make it work with InDesign? Although I sometimes use
>other<br>
>programs to make pdf's it is really the most practical program to get a<br>
>managable pdf. The advantage is also that you are able to incorporate
>files<br>
>from different programs without losing the ability to edit them in that<br>
>program.<br>
> <br>
>Mieke <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson<br>
>Sent: zondag 10 augustus 2008 22:35<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
> <br>
>Dear David,<br>
>Â Â Â Â Â That's what I was doing but the files sizes were still
>much<br>
>larger than .pdfs containing similar images printed as a pdf from Word
>and<br>
>the image quality was terrible. <br>
>I guess the Illustrator compatibility or some other settings are
>keeping the<br>
>file size big?<br>
>Geoff<br>
> <br>
>-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>On Behalf Of DAVID W. EHLERT<br>
>Sent: Monday, 11 August 2008 2:24 AM<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
> <br>
>Hey Geoff,<br>
> <br>
>If you open a high quality PDF in Acrobat, you can then go to
>ADVANCED> PDF<br>
>Optimizer. Play with the settings to get what you need in terms of file<br>
>size.<br>
>Save the file with a new name, e.g. oldfilename_a.pdf<br>
>Hope that helps. :)<br>
> <br>
>Cheers!<br>
>Dave<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Geoff Thompson wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>> Â Â Â I have been saving PDFs in Illustrator CS3 and Acrobat 8<br>
>> Professional. The files sizes are a lot bigger than if I print a
>similar<br>
>> file, containing the same images, as an Adobe PDF from Word. I
>have tried<br>
>> optimising the files but I lose a lot of quality in photos and the
>files<br>
>are<br>
>> still a lot bigger than if they were made from a different
>program. My<br>
>boss<br>
>> has my old CS creative suite and her version of Acrobat
>Professional has a<br>
>> function (I can't remember its name) that reduces file size
>without losing<br>
>> noticeable image quality. This is not available in my version and
>in any<br>
>> case was greyed out on a file made in Illustrator CS3.<br>
>> What am I doing wrong and what options do I have to get good
>quality<br>
>images<br>
>> in a smaller file size?<br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Â Â Â Geoff Thompson<br>
>><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:09:09 +0200<br>
>From: Mieke Roth <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>Hi all,<br>
> <br>
>I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should be grateful
>that<br>
>we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and it is
>getting<br>
>more and more important to be able to visualize scientific fact and
>data. <br>
> <br>
>I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact that the<br>
>profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a serious
>magazine<br>
>or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it means that we<br>
>still have some work to do, pr wise.<br>
> <br>
>Mieke <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br>
>Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never happened
>before<br>
>right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I understand<br>
>Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a prestigious<br>
>journal.<br>
>Lynn<br>
> <br>
>-----Original Message-----<br>
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic <br>
>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>sciences, <br>
>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the <br>
>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual <br>
>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... <br>
>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our
> <br>
>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>author <br>
>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses,
>and <br>
>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>once <br>
>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions
>actual <br>
>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>restorations) <br>
>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>this <br>
>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>science <br>
>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room
>to <br>
>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>typically <br>
>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have
>been <br>
>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature
>or <br>
>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>><br>
>> -frank<br>
>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>didn't even <br>
>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>just <br>
>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>><br>
>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you
>didn't <br>
>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and
>it was <br>
>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to
>the <br>
>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>morning.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>report of the <br>
>>>> conference under July <br>
>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a>
> <br>
>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature.
>Your best <br>
>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you
>have a <br>
>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>conference <br>
>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the <br>
>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>
> <br>
>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the <br>
>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -- <br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:10:05 -0400<br>
>From: Frank Ippolito <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<br>
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> <br>
>Janet,<br>
> <br>
>yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of Joan's <br>
>earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof.<br>
> <br>
>I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my response
>was <br>
>published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The editors did
> <br>
>in fact water my reply down to the point that it barely sharpened. but <br>
>the point was made. the letter is linked here...<br>
> <br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html</a><br>
> <br>
>for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of my
>letter <br>
>is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without reading the <br>
>article I was reacting to...<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The subtle beauty of art in the service of science<br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito^1 <#a1><br>
> <br>
> 1. Division of Vertebrate Paleontology, American Museum of Natural<br>
> History, 79th Street & Central Park West, New York, New York<br>
> 10024, USA<br>
> <br>
><#top><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Abstract<br>
> <br>
>An illustration may be intended to emphasize details, convey an idea or
> <br>
>raise questions.<br>
> <br>
>Sir,<br>
> <br>
>As a professional scientific illustrator I feel compelled to respond to
> <br>
>Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" (Nature
>421, <br>
>474–476; 2003 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a</a>>).
>I believe that <br>
>Ottino's criticisms of scientific illustration are founded on an <br>
>incorrect understanding of the field.<br>
> <br>
>Galileo's drawings can't be compared with magazine covers: they are two
> <br>
>unrelated types of illustration. It is incorrect to conclude from such
>a <br>
>comparison that scientific disparity exists between them because the <br>
>magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists and illustrators" —
> <br>
>this artwork was intended to enhance editorial material rather than to <br>
>illustrate research.<br>
> <br>
>Such conceptual illustrations are designed to pose questions. Their use
> <br>
>on the cover of a science magazine offers the promise of articles that <br>
>inform these questions. The cover art of the 30 January 2003 issue of <br>
>/Nature/ (see figure) and the related News and Views and Letter <br>
>(Nature 421, 489–490; 2003 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a</a>>
>& <br>
>Nature 421, 530–533; 2003 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359</a>>)
> <br>
>follow this convention. The image does not illustrate the research <br>
>itself; that is not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice
>of <br>
>digital medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of <br>
>an artist, has no bearing on this question.<br>
> <br>
>Scientific illustration follows a different mandate, and it can often
>be <br>
>found within the pages of the very magazines under discussion. These <br>
>drawings outline structure and clarify detail, as required by the <br>
>subject and requested by the researcher. Because they communicate <br>
>subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language, scientific <br>
>illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in precise <br>
>communication (see /The Guild Handbook of Scientific Illustration,/ <br>
>edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).<br>
> <br>
>Scientific illustration is a clearly defined field that benefits from <br>
>active collaboration between scientist and illustrator. Using their <br>
>professional observational skills, scientific illustrators strive to <br>
>render the most accurate representation of their subject. It is, by <br>
>definition, art in the service of science. The act of drawing is, in <br>
>essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted details miss this
> <br>
>important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to eliminate <br>
>non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is
>smoothed <br>
>out. The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and <br>
>discoloration may be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a way
> <br>
>chosen to amplify those details that require emphasis.<br>
> <br>
>Scientific illustrations, even conceptual cover art, should be as <br>
>accurate as possible. However, Ottino's proposal to establish rules <br>
>governing the use of realistic rendering techniques is superfluous. <br>
>Professional standards are already in place for scientific
>illustration. <br>
>Magazine editors recognize that their educated readership can <br>
>distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept and the current
>state <br>
>of scientific research. Scientific illustrations exist within this <br>
>context. They communicate with and within conventions that reach back
>in <br>
>time from this issue of /Nature/ to the pages of Galileo's notebooks.<br>
> <br>
>-frank<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>>Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science
>illustration and Nature Journal that I think got lost in cyberspace!<br>
>><br>
>>Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article
>in Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The
>cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?"
>and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied
>Science, Northwestern University.<br>
>><br>
>>It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>today is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>><br>
>>Janet Wilkins<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>>>From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>> <br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>>>On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> <br>
>>><br>
>>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the
>basic <br>
>>>>sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>sciences, <br>
>>>>I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>the <br>
>>>>aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>actual <br>
>>>>science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>creatures... <br>
>>>>inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar
>to our <br>
>>>>profession. on its own it would have served as such. but
>the author <br>
>>>>then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>guesses, and <br>
>>>>artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may
>have once <br>
>>>>looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>mentions actual <br>
>>>>paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>restorations) <br>
>>>>is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia
>talk. this <br>
>>>>keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>science <br>
>>>>illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>room to <br>
>>>>mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>typically <br>
>>>>focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>have been <br>
>>>>expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>Nature or <br>
>>>>Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -frank<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and
>I didn't even <br>
>>>>>need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>distance, just <br>
>>>>>the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>I've been looking at the link for a time and found that
>you didn't <br>
>>>>>need to subscribe, however, the article still costs
>$32.00 and it was <br>
>>>>>just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>write to the <br>
>>>>>library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>morning.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>>From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>>>>Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>>>>Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>>The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very
>nice report of the <br>
>>>>>>conference under July <br>
>>>>>>24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a>
> <br>
>>>>>>science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>The second is an article that was in the Journal
>Nature. Your best <br>
>>>>>>bet for reading it is from a university library
>unless you have a <br>
>>>>>>subscription. The article came out the week before
>the conference <br>
>>>>>>and was posted on the bulletin board at the <br>
>>>>>>registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>
> <br>
>>>>>>454278a.html<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>>The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>>Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>>Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe
>you the <br>
>>>>>>tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>-- <br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>> <br>
>>>><br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>><br>
> <br>
> <br>
>-- <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito<br>
>Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>American Museum of Natural History<br>
>Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>NY NY 10024<br>
>(212) 769-5812<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a> <br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a> <br>
> <br>
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>Janet,<br><br>
><br><br>
>yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of Joan's<br>
>earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof. <br><br>
><br><br>
>I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my response<br>
>was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The editors<br>
>did in fact water my reply down to the point that it barely sharpened.<br>
>but the point was made. the letter is linked here... <br><br>
><br><br>
><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html</a></a>
><br><br>
><br><br>
>for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of my<br>
>letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without<br>
>reading the article I was reacting to...<br><br>
><h2 id="atl" minmax_bound="true">The subtle beauty of art in the<br>
>service of science</h2><br>
><p id="aug" minmax_bound="true">Frank Ippolito<sup
>minmax_bound="true"><a<br>
>title="affiliated with " href="#a1"
>minmax_bound="true">1</a></sup><br>
></p><br>
><div id="affiliations-notes" minmax_bound="true"><br>
><ol minmax_bound="true"><br>
> <li id="a1" minmax_bound="true">Division of Vertebrate
>Paleontology,<br>
>American Museum of Natural History, 79th Street & Central Park<br>
>West, New York, New York 10024, USA<br><br>
> </li><br>
></ol><br>
></div><br>
><div id="abs" minmax_bound="true"><a class="backtotop hidden"<br>
>href="#top" minmax_bound="true"><span class="hidden"<br>
>minmax_bound="true"></span></a><br>
><h3 class="hidden" minmax_bound="true">Abstract</h3><br>
><p class="lead" minmax_bound="true"><font size="+1">An
>illustration may<br>
>be intended to emphasize details, convey an idea or raise
>questions.</font></p><br>
></div><br>
>Sir,<br><br>
><p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">As a professional scientific<br>
>illustrator I feel compelled to respond to Julio Ottino's Commentary<br>
>"Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" (<a<br>
>href="<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a"
> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a</a>"
>minmax_bound="true"><span<br>
>class="i" minmax_bound="true">Nature</span><span class="b"<br>
>minmax_bound="true"> 421</span>, 474–476; 2003</a>).
>I believe that<br>
>Ottino's criticisms of scientific illustration are founded on an<br>
>incorrect understanding of the field.</p><br>
><p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Galileo's drawings can't be<br>
>compared with magazine covers: they are two unrelated types of<br>
>illustration. It is incorrect to conclude from such a comparison that<br>
>scientific disparity exists between them because the magazine covers<br>
>"are left in the hands of artists and illustrators" — this artwork was<br>
>intended to enhance editorial material rather than to illustrate<br>
>research.</p><br>
><p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Such conceptual illustrations
>are<br>
>designed to pose questions. Their use on the cover of a science<br>
>magazine offers the promise of articles that inform these questions.<br>
>The cover art of the 30 January 2003 issue of <i
>minmax_bound="true">Nature</i><br>
>(see figure) and the related News and Views and Letter (<a<br>
>href="<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a"
> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a</a>"
>minmax_bound="true"><span<br>
>class="i" minmax_bound="true">Nature</span><span class="b"<br>
>minmax_bound="true"> 421</span>, 489–490; 2003</a>
>& <a<br>
>href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359</a>"
>minmax_bound="true"><span<br>
>class="i" minmax_bound="true">Nature</span><span class="b"<br>
>minmax_bound="true"> 421</span>, 530–533; 2003</a>)
>follow this<br>
>convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself; that is<br>
>not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice of digital<br>
>medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of an<br>
>artist, has no bearing on this question.</p><br>
><p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Scientific illustration
>follows a<br>
>different mandate, and it can often be found within the pages of the<br>
>very magazines under discussion. These drawings outline structure and<br>
>clarify detail, as required by the subject and requested by the<br>
>researcher. Because they communicate subtleties and eliminate the<br>
>ambiguities of language, scientific illustrations are an important,<br>
>often necessary, element in precise communication (see <i<br>
>minmax_bound="true">The Guild Handbook of Scientific
>Illustration,</i><br>
>edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).</p><br>
><p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Scientific illustration is a<br>
>clearly defined field that benefits from active collaboration between<br>
>scientist and illustrator. Using their professional observational<br>
>skills, scientific illustrators strive to render the most accurate<br>
>representation of their subject. It is, by definition, art in the<br>
>service of science. The act of drawing is, in essence, the act of<br>
>editing. Complaints about omitted details miss this important point.<br>
>Scientific illustrators are trained to eliminate non-essential<br>
>information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is smoothed out. The<br>
>broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and discoloration may<br>
>be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a way chosen to amplify<br>
>those details that require emphasis.</p><br>
><p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Scientific illustrations, even<br>
>conceptual cover art, should be as accurate as possible. However,<br>
>Ottino's proposal to establish rules governing the use of realistic<br>
>rendering techniques is superfluous. Professional standards are already<br>
>in place for scientific illustration. Magazine editors recognize that<br>
>their educated readership can distinguish between a beautifully<br>
>rendered concept and the current state of scientific research.<br>
>Scientific illustrations exist within this context. They communicate<br>
>with and within conventions that reach back in time from this issue of
><i<br>
>minmax_bound="true">Nature</i> to the pages of Galileo's
>notebooks.<br><br>
></p><br>
><p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">-frank<br><br>
></p><br>
><br><br>
><blockquote<br>
>cite="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"<br>
>type="cite"><br>
> <pre wrap="">Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about
>science illustration and Nature Journal that I think got lost in
>cyberspace!<br>
> <br>
>Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article in
>Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The
>cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?"
>and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied
>Science, Northwestern University.<br>
> <br>
>It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today is
>"divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
> <br>
>Janet Wilkins<br>
> <br>
> </pre><br>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> <pre wrap="">From: Joan Lee <a
>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>></a><br>
>Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
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>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> </pre><br>
> </blockquote><br>
> <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
> </pre><br>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> <pre wrap="">On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito
>wrote:<br>
> <br>
> </pre><br>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> <pre wrap=""> it is a nice prop in an important
>publication. though the basic <br>
>sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the sciences,Â
> <br>
>I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the <br>
>aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual <br>
>science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... <br>
>inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our <br>
>profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the author <br>
>then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and <br>
>artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have once <br>
>looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions actual
> <br>
>paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal restorations)
> <br>
>is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this <br>
>keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real science <br>
>illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to <br>
>mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI typically <br>
>focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been <br>
>expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or <br>
>Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
> <br>
>-frank<br>
> </pre><br>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> <pre wrap="">Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature
>article and I didn't even <br>
>need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just <br>
>the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
> <br>
>I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't <br>
>need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was <br>
>just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the <br>
>library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning.<br>
> <br>
>It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
> <br>
>Janet P. Wilkins<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> </pre><br>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> <pre wrap="">From: gretchen halpert <a
>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
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>Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br>
>Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> <br>
> </pre><br>
> </blockquote><br>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> <pre wrap="">Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the <br>
>conference under July <br>
>24th:Â <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural</a></a>-
> <br>
>science-illustrators.html<br>
> <br>
>The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best <br>
>bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a <br>
>subscription. The article came out the week before the conference <br>
>and was posted on the bulletin board at the <br>
>registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>
> <br>
>454278a.html<br>
> <br>
>Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the <br>
>tiara.)Elmira, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
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> </pre><br>
> </blockquote><br>
> </blockquote><br>
> <pre wrap=""><br>
>-- <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito<br>
>Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>American Museum of Natural History<br>
>Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>NY NY 10024<br>
>(212) 769-5812<br>
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> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a><br>
><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
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> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></a><br>
> </pre><br>
> </blockquote><br>
> </blockquote><br>
> <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
> </pre><br>
></blockquote><br>
><br><br>
><br><br>
><pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito<br>
>Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>American Museum of Natural History<br>
>Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>NY NY 10024<br>
>(212) 769-5812<br>
><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
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> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a> <br>
><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
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> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:56:55 -0400<br>
>From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>My comments went poof?! Oh boy.<br>
> <br>
>Frank, I understand clearly what you are writing, and I agree with
>you.=20=<br>
> <br>
>It is very important to distinguish between science illustration and=20<br>
>other types, methods, conventions of visual communication. This is
>why=20=<br>
> <br>
>I do not like the idea of "art of science illustration." It muddies
>the=20=<br>
> <br>
>waters.<br>
> <br>
>Just recently I talked with a person at UMFK who wrote, in essence,=20<br>
>that a bunch of artists are coming to Fort Kent next year. I=20<br>
>immediately corrected him and he published the correction. Then we
>got=20=<br>
> <br>
>into a discussion about differences, scopes, etc. While searching for
>a=20=<br>
> <br>
>good keynote speaker I had to keep emphasizing THINK SCIENCE not=20<br>
>minimalism or realism or "nature art" . . . Joan<br>
> <br>
>On Aug 11, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Janet,<br>
>><br>
>> yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of
>Joan's=20<br>
>> earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof.<br>
>><br>
>> I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my
>response=20=<br>
> <br>
>> was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The=20<br>
>> editors did in fact water my reply down to the point that it
>barely=20<br>
>> sharpened. but the point was made. the letter is linked here...<br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of
>my=20<br>
>> letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense
>without=20<br>
>> reading the article I was reacting to...<br>
>><br>
>> The subtle beauty of art in the service of science<br>
>><br>
>> Frank Ippolito1<br>
>> 1 Division of Vertebrate Paleontology, American Museum of =<br>
>Natural=20<br>
>> History, 79th Street & Central Park West, New York, New York
>10024,=20<br>
>> USA<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Abstract<br>
>><br>
>> An illustration may be intended to emphasize details, convey an
>idea=20=<br>
> <br>
>> or raise questions.<br>
>> Sir,<br>
>><br>
>> As a professional scientific illustrator I feel compelled to
>respond=20=<br>
> <br>
>> to Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?"=20<br>
>> (Nature=A0421, 474=96476; 2003). I believe that Ottino's
>criticisms of=20=<br>
> <br>
>> scientific illustration are founded on an incorrect understanding
>of=20=<br>
> <br>
>> the field.<br>
>><br>
>> Galileo's drawings can't be compared with magazine covers: they
>are=20<br>
>> two unrelated types of illustration. It is incorrect to conclude
>from=20=<br>
> <br>
>> such a comparison that scientific disparity exists between them=20<br>
>> because the magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists
>and=20<br>
>> illustrators" =97 this artwork was intended to enhance editorial=20<br>
>> material rather than to illustrate research.<br>
>><br>
>> Such conceptual illustrations are designed to pose questions.
>Their=20<br>
>> use on the cover of a science magazine offers the promise of
>articles=20=<br>
> <br>
>> that inform these questions. The cover art of the 30 January
>2003=20<br>
>> issue of Nature (see figure) and the related News and Views and
>Letter=20=<br>
> <br>
>> (Nature=A0421, 489=96490; 2003 & Nature=A0421, 530=96533;
>2003) follow =<br>
>this=20<br>
>> convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself;
>that is=20=<br>
> <br>
>> not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice of digital=20<br>
>> medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of
>an=20<br>
>> artist, has no bearing on this question.<br>
>><br>
>> Scientific illustration follows a different mandate, and it can
>often=20=<br>
> <br>
>> be found within the pages of the very magazines under
>discussion.=20<br>
>> These drawings outline structure and clarify detail, as required
>by=20<br>
>> the subject and requested by the researcher. Because they
>communicate=20=<br>
> <br>
>> subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language, scientific=20<br>
>> illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in
>precise=20<br>
>> communication (see The Guild Handbook of Scientific
>Illustration,=20<br>
>> edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).<br>
>><br>
>> Scientific illustration is a clearly defined field that benefits
>from=20=<br>
> <br>
>> active collaboration between scientist and illustrator. Using
>their=20<br>
>> professional observational skills, scientific illustrators strive
>to=20=<br>
> <br>
>> render the most accurate representation of their subject. It is,
>by=20<br>
>> definition, art in the service of science. The act of drawing is,
>in=20=<br>
> <br>
>> essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted details
>miss=20<br>
>> this important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to
>eliminate=20=<br>
> <br>
>> non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is=20<br>
>> smoothed out. The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks
>and=20=<br>
> <br>
>> discoloration may be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in
>a=20<br>
>> way chosen to amplify those details that require emphasis.<br>
>><br>
>> Scientific illustrations, even conceptual cover art, should be
>as=20<br>
>> accurate as possible. However, Ottino's proposal to establish
>rules=20<br>
>> governing the use of realistic rendering techniques is
>superfluous.=20<br>
>> Professional standards are already in place for scientific=20<br>
>> illustration. Magazine editors recognize that their educated=20<br>
>> readership can distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept
>and=20=<br>
> <br>
>> the current state of scientific research. Scientific
>illustrations=20<br>
>> exist within this context. They communicate with and within=20<br>
>> conventions that reach back in time from this issue of Nature to
>the=20=<br>
> <br>
>> pages of Galileo's notebooks.<br>
>><br>
>> -frank<br>
>><br>
>>> Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science=20<br>
>>> illustration and Nature Journal that I think got lost in
>cyberspace!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an
>article in=20=<br>
> <br>
>>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so
>flattering. The=20=<br>
> <br>
>>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your
>eyes?"=20=<br>
> <br>
>>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?"
>It's by=20<br>
>>> Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and
>Applied=20<br>
>>> Science, Northwestern University.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>today=20=<br>
> <br>
>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>><br>
>>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though
>the basic<br>
>>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within
>the=20<br>
>>>>> sciences,=A0<br>
>>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned
>focus on the<br>
>>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do
>with actual<br>
>>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>creatures...<br>
>>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice
>sidebar to our<br>
>>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such.
>but the author<br>
>>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>guesses, and<br>
>>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals
>may have once<br>
>>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>mentions=20<br>
>>>>> actual<br>
>>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized
>animal=20<br>
>>>>> restorations)<br>
>>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's
>Dinotopia talk. this<br>
>>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about
>real science<br>
>>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves
>little room to<br>
>>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what
>GNSI typically<br>
>>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this
>would have=20<br>
>>>>> been<br>
>>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such
>as Nature or<br>
>>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for
>scientists.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> -frank<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article
>and I didn't=20<br>
>>>>>> even<br>
>>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive
>for distance, =<br>
>just<br>
>>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all
>day).<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found
>that you didn't<br>
>>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still
>costs $32.00 and it=20=<br>
> <br>
>>>>>> was<br>
>>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to
>just write to the<br>
>>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy
>this morning.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a
>very nice report of=20=<br>
> <br>
>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>> conference under July<br>
>>>>>>> 24th:=A0<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-="
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=</a><br>
> <br>
>>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the
>Journal Nature. Your =<br>
>best<br>
>>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university
>library unless you have a<br>
>>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week
>before the conference<br>
>>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the<br>
>>>>>>> =<br>
>registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a><br>
>>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I
>owe you the<br>
>>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>> --=20<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --=20<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:15:29 -0400<br>
>From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>Try this one:<br>
>art is to science as religion is to science.<br>
> <br>
>All can validly live together in the same world, but they are not the <br>
>same as each other and should not be put into competition with each <br>
>other nor should we attempt to interchange them. Are we getting <br>
>somewhere?<br>
>Joan<br>
>On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Janet Wilkins wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>today <br>
>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:40:25 -0400<br>
>From: Frank Ippolito <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>joan,<br>
> <br>
>you should really read the article to get a true sense at what this guy
> <br>
>was going on about. he was criticizing science illustration for being <br>
>unscientific and using a pop science cover illustration to support his <br>
>contention. there were a few other jabs - one being a claim that
>digital <br>
>tools somehow contributed to this supposed divergence. it was far less <br>
>thought-out than your reply gives credit and was entirely off target. I
> <br>
>recall it gave rise to quite a lively discussion on this list at the
>time.<br>
> <br>
>-frank<br>
> <br>
>> Try this one:<br>
>> art is to science as religion is to science.<br>
>><br>
>> All can validly live together in the same world, but they are not
>the <br>
>> same as each other and should not be put into competition with
>each <br>
>> other nor should we attempt to interchange them. Are we getting <br>
>> somewhere?<br>
>> Joan<br>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Janet Wilkins wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>today <br>
>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> <br>
> <br>
>-- <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito<br>
>Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>American Museum of Natural History<br>
>Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>NY NY 10024<br>
>(212) 769-5812<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a> <br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a> <br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:24:55 -0400<br>
>From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>I'll try to find the article--on the other hand I don't need to get <br>
>riled up. That is worse than I surmised from the thread!<br>
>Joan<br>
>On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> joan,<br>
>><br>
>> you should really read the article to get a true sense at what
>this <br>
>> guy was going on about. he was criticizing science illustration
>for <br>
>> being unscientific and using a pop science cover illustration to <br>
>> support his contention. there were a few other jabs - one being a <br>
>> claim that digital tools somehow contributed to this supposed <br>
>> divergence. it was far less thought-out than your reply gives
>credit <br>
>> and was entirely off target. I recall it gave rise to quite a
>lively <br>
>> discussion on this list at the time.<br>
>><br>
>> -frank<br>
>><br>
>>> Try this one:<br>
>>> art is to science as religion is to science.<br>
>>><br>
>>> All can validly live together in the same world, but they are
>not the <br>
>>> same as each other and should not be put into competition with
>each <br>
>>> other nor should we attempt to interchange them. Are we
>getting <br>
>>> somewhere?<br>
>>> Joan<br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Janet Wilkins wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is
>published today <br>
>>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -- <br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>
> <br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:02:19 -0400<br>
>From: Jaynie Martz <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<br>
> <br>
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> <br>
>Frank,<br>
> <br>
>The name 'Ottino' brought back memories...not particularly pleasant =<br>
>ones. Was that over a slick cover illustration of nanotubes?<br>
>You were all over that one.....very elequent response you fired off. I =<br>
>remember that quite well. I don't subscribe to Nature but is there a =<br>
>feedback section for you to once again educate the huddled non-science =<br>
>illustrating masses? =20<br>
> <br>
>Jaynie<br>
> <br>
>----- Original Message -----=20<br>
> From: Frank Ippolito=20<br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=20<br>
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:10 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Janet,<br>
> <br>
> yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of Joan's =<br>
>earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof.=20<br>
> <br>
> I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my response =<br>
>was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The editors
>=<br>
>did in fact water my reply down to the point that it barely sharpened. =<br>
>but the point was made. the letter is linked here...=20<br>
> <br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html=20"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html=20</a><br>
> <br>
> for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of my =<br>
>letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without =<br>
>reading the article I was reacting to...<br>
> <br>
> The subtle beauty of art in the service of science<br>
> Frank Ippolito1=20<br>
> <br>
> 1.. Division of Vertebrate Paleontology, American Museum of Natural
>=<br>
>History, 79th Street & Central Park West, New York, New York 10024,
>USA<br>
> <br>
> Abstract<br>
> An illustration may be intended to emphasize details, convey an idea =<br>
>or raise questions.<br>
> <br>
> Sir,<br>
> <br>
> As a professional scientific illustrator I feel compelled to respond =<br>
>to Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" (Nature =<br>
>421, 474=E2=80=93476; 2003). I believe that Ottino's criticisms of =<br>
>scientific illustration are founded on an incorrect understanding of
>the =<br>
>field.<br>
> <br>
> Galileo's drawings can't be compared with magazine covers: they are =<br>
>two unrelated types of illustration. It is incorrect to conclude from =<br>
>such a comparison that scientific disparity exists between them because
>=<br>
>the magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists and illustrators"
>=<br>
>=E2=80=94 this artwork was intended to enhance editorial material
>rather =<br>
>than to illustrate research.<br>
> <br>
> Such conceptual illustrations are designed to pose questions. Their =<br>
>use on the cover of a science magazine offers the promise of articles =<br>
>that inform these questions. The cover art of the 30 January 2003 issue
>=<br>
>of Nature (see figure) and the related News and Views and Letter
>(Nature =<br>
>421, 489=E2=80=93490; 2003 & Nature 421, 530=E2=80=93533; 2003)
>follow =<br>
>this convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself;
>that =<br>
>is not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice of digital =<br>
>medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of an =<br>
>artist, has no bearing on this question.<br>
> <br>
> Scientific illustration follows a different mandate, and it can often
>=<br>
>be found within the pages of the very magazines under discussion. These
>=<br>
>drawings outline structure and clarify detail, as required by the =<br>
>subject and requested by the researcher. Because they communicate =<br>
>subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language, scientific =<br>
>illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in precise =<br>
>communication (see The Guild Handbook of Scientific Illustration,
>edited =<br>
>by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).<br>
> <br>
> Scientific illustration is a clearly defined field that benefits from
>=<br>
>active collaboration between scientist and illustrator. Using their =<br>
>professional observational skills, scientific illustrators strive to =<br>
>render the most accurate representation of their subject. It is, by =<br>
>definition, art in the service of science. The act of drawing is, in =<br>
>essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted details miss this
>=<br>
>important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to eliminate =<br>
>non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is
>smoothed =<br>
>out. The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and =<br>
>discoloration may be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a way
>=<br>
>chosen to amplify those details that require emphasis.<br>
> <br>
> Scientific illustrations, even conceptual cover art, should be as =<br>
>accurate as possible. However, Ottino's proposal to establish rules =<br>
>governing the use of realistic rendering techniques is superfluous. =<br>
>Professional standards are already in place for scientific
>illustration. =<br>
>Magazine editors recognize that their educated readership can =<br>
>distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept and the current
>state =<br>
>of scientific research. Scientific illustrations exist within this =<br>
>context. They communicate with and within conventions that reach back
>in =<br>
>time from this issue of Nature to the pages of Galileo's notebooks.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -frank<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science illustration
>=<br>
>and Nature Journal that I think got lost in cyberspace!<br>
> <br>
>Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article in =<br>
>Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The =<br>
>cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?" =<br>
>and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>Julio =<br>
>M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied Science, =<br>
>Northwestern University.<br>
> <br>
>It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today is
>=<br>
>"divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
> <br>
>Janet Wilkins<br>
> <br>
> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> =20<br>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
> <br>
> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic =20<br>
>sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the sciences,
>=20<br>
>I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the =20<br>
>aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual =20<br>
>science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... =20<br>
>inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our =20<br>
>profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the author =20<br>
>then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and =20<br>
>artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have once =20<br>
>looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions actual
>=20<br>
>paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal restorations)
>=20<br>
>is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this =20<br>
>keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real science =20<br>
>illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to =20<br>
>mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI typically =20<br>
>focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been
>=20<br>
>expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or =20<br>
>Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
> <br>
>-frank<br>
> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I didn't =<br>
>even =20<br>
>need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just =20<br>
>the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
> <br>
>I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't =20<br>
>need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was
>=20<br>
>just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the =20<br>
>library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning.<br>
> <br>
>It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
> <br>
>Janet P. Wilkins<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> <br>
> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the =20<br>
>conference under July =20<br>
>24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=20"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=20</a><br>
>science-illustrators.html<br>
> <br>
>The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best =20<br>
>bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a =20<br>
>subscription. The article came out the week before the conference =20<br>
>and was posted on the bulletin board at the =20<br>
>registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20</a><br>
>454278a.html<br>
> <br>
>Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the =20<br>
>tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
> <br>
> --=20<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito<br>
>Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>American Museum of Natural History<br>
>Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>NY NY 10024<br>
>(212) 769-5812<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
> =20<br>
>=20<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>--=20<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito<br>
>Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>American Museum of Natural History<br>
>Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>NY NY 10024<br>
>(212) 769-5812<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=20<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com=20"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com=20</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The name 'Ottino' brought
>back =<br>
>memories...not=20<br>
>particularly pleasant ones. Was that over a slick
>cover =<br>
>illustration=20<br>
>of nanotubes?</FONT></DIV><br>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You were all over that
>one.....very =<br>
>elequent=20<br>
>response you fired off. I remember that quite well. I don't subscribe
>to =<br>
>Nature=20<br>
>but is there a feedback section for you to once again educate the =<br>
>huddled=20<br>
>non-science illustrating masses? </FONT></DIV><br>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial
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><DIV> </DIV><br>
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>black"><B>From:</B>=20<br>
> <A title=<a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> href=3D"mailto:<a
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>Ippolito</A> </DIV><br>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =<br>
>title=<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=20<br>
> =<br>
>href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
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>=<br>
></DIV><br>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B>
>Monday, August 11, 2008 =<br>
>1:10=20<br>
> PM</DIV><br>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
>[SCIART] =<br>
>conference=20<br>
> publicity</DIV><br>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>Janet,<BR><BR>yes your
>reply got eaten by the cyber =<br>
>beast, as=20<br>
> did part of Joan's earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes =<br>
>poof.=20<br>
> <BR><BR>I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to
>it and my =<br>
>response=20<br>
> was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The =<br>
>editors did in=20<br>
> fact water my reply down to the point that it barely sharpened. but =<br>
>the point=20<br>
> was made. the letter is linked here... <BR><BR><A =<br>
>class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext=20<br>
> =<br>
>href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html="
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html=</a><br>
>"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html</a></A>=20<br>
> <BR><BR>for those who cannot read the archives w/o
>paying, the body of =<br>
>my=20<br>
> letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without =<br>
>reading the=20<br>
> article I was reacting to...<BR><br>
> <H2 id=3Datl minmax_bound=3D"true">The subtle beauty of art in
>the =<br>
>service of=20<br>
> science</H2><br>
> <P id=3Daug minmax_bound=3D"true">Frank Ippolito<SUP =<br>
>minmax_bound=3D"true"><A=20<br>
> title=3D"affiliated with " href=3D"#a1" =<br>
>minmax_bound=3D"true">1</A></SUP> </P><br>
> <DIV id=3Daffiliations-notes minmax_bound=3D"true"><br>
> <OL minmax_bound=3D"true"><br>
> <LI id=3Da1 minmax_bound=3D"true">Division of Vertebrate =<br>
>Paleontology, American=20<br>
> Museum of Natural History, 79th Street & Central Park West,
>New =<br>
>York,=20<br>
> New York 10024, USA<BR></LI></OL></DIV><br>
> <DIV id=3Dabs minmax_bound=3D"true"><A class=3D"backtotop
>hidden" =<br>
>href=3D"#top"=20<br>
> minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Dhidden =<br>
>minmax_bound=3D"true"></SPAN></A><br>
> <H3 class=3Dhidden minmax_bound=3D"true">Abstract</H3><br>
> <P class=3Dlead minmax_bound=3D"true"><FONT size=3D+1>An
>illustration =<br>
>may be=20<br>
> intended to emphasize details, convey an idea or raise=20<br>
> questions.</FONT></P></DIV>Sir,<BR><br>
> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">As a professional
>scientific =<br>
>illustrator I=20<br>
> feel compelled to respond to Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture =<br>
>worth=20<br>
> 1,000 words?" (<A href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a</a>"=20<br>
> minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Di =<br>
>minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</SPAN><SPAN=20<br>
> class=3Db minmax_bound=3D"true"> 421</SPAN>,
>474=E2=80=93476; =<br>
>2003</A>). I believe=20<br>
> that Ottino's criticisms of scientific illustration are founded on
>an=20<br>
> incorrect understanding of the field.</P><br>
> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Galileo's drawings can't
>be =<br>
>compared with=20<br>
> magazine covers: they are two unrelated types of illustration. It is =<br>
>incorrect=20<br>
> to conclude from such a comparison that scientific disparity exists =<br>
>between=20<br>
> them because the magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists
>and =<br>
> <br>
> illustrators" =E2=80=94 this artwork was intended to enhance
>editorial =<br>
>material rather=20<br>
> than to illustrate research.</P><br>
> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Such conceptual
>illustrations =<br>
>are designed=20<br>
> to pose questions. Their use on the cover of a science magazine
>offers =<br>
>the=20<br>
> promise of articles that inform these questions. The cover art of the
>=<br>
>30=20<br>
> January 2003 issue of <I minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</I>
>(see figure) =<br>
>and the=20<br>
> related News and Views and Letter (<A =<br>
>href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a</a>"=20<br>
> minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Di =<br>
>minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</SPAN><SPAN=20<br>
> class=3Db minmax_bound=3D"true"> 421</SPAN>,
>489=E2=80=93490; =<br>
>2003</A> & <A=20<br>
> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359</a>"
>=<br>
>minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Di=20<br>
> minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</SPAN><SPAN class=3Db=20<br>
> minmax_bound=3D"true"> 421</SPAN>, 530=E2=80=93533;
>2003</A>) =<br>
>follow this=20<br>
> convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself; that
>is =<br>
>not its=20<br>
> intended application. Furthermore, the choice of digital medium, =<br>
>whether used=20<br>
> by the hand of a scientist or the hand of an artist, has no bearing
>on =<br>
>this=20<br>
> question.</P><br>
> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Scientific illustration
>follows =<br>
>a different=20<br>
> mandate, and it can often be found within the pages of the very =<br>
>magazines=20<br>
> under discussion. These drawings outline structure and clarify
>detail, =<br>
>as=20<br>
> required by the subject and requested by the researcher. Because
>they=20<br>
> communicate subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language, =<br>
>scientific=20<br>
> illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in precise=20<br>
> communication (see <I minmax_bound=3D"true">The Guild Handbook
>of =<br>
>Scientific=20<br>
> Illustration,</I> edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand
>Reinhold, =<br>
>1989).</P><br>
> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Scientific illustration
>is a =<br>
>clearly defined=20<br>
> field that benefits from active collaboration between scientist and=20<br>
> illustrator. Using their professional observational skills,
>scientific =<br>
> <br>
> illustrators strive to render the most accurate representation of =<br>
>their=20<br>
> subject. It is, by definition, art in the service of science. The act
>=<br>
>of=20<br>
> drawing is, in essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted =<br>
>details=20<br>
> miss this important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to =<br>
>eliminate=20<br>
> non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is =<br>
>smoothed out.=20<br>
> The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and
>discoloration =<br>
>may be=20<br>
> removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a way chosen to amplify =<br>
>those=20<br>
> details that require emphasis.</P><br>
> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Scientific illustrations,
>even =<br>
>conceptual=20<br>
> cover art, should be as accurate as possible. However, Ottino's =<br>
>proposal to=20<br>
> establish rules governing the use of realistic rendering techniques
>is =<br>
> <br>
> superfluous. Professional standards are already in place for =<br>
>scientific=20<br>
> illustration. Magazine editors recognize that their educated =<br>
>readership can=20<br>
> distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept and the current =<br>
>state of=20<br>
> scientific research. Scientific illustrations exist within this =<br>
>context. They=20<br>
> communicate with and within conventions that reach back in time from =<br>
>this=20<br>
> issue of <I minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</I> to the pages
>of Galileo's =<br>
> <br>
> notebooks.<BR></P><br>
> <P class=3Dnorm
>minmax_bound=3D"true">-frank<BR></P><BR><br>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20<br>
> =<br>
>cite=<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>
>=<br>
> <br>
> type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Okay, I just emailed an
>incredibly long =<br>
>rant about science illustration and Nature Journal that I think got
>lost =<br>
>in cyberspace!<br>
> <br>
>Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article in =<br>
>Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The =<br>
>cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?" =<br>
>and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>Julio =<br>
>M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied Science, =<br>
>Northwestern University.<br>
> <br>
>It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today is
>=<br>
>"divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
> <br>
>Janet Wilkins<br>
> <br>
> </PRE><br>
> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">From: Joan Lee
><A =<br>
>class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =<br>
>href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&g=<br>
>t;</A><br>
>Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></A><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!----><br>
> </PRE><br>
> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">On Aug 11,
>2008, at 11:28 =<br>
>AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
> <br>
> </PRE><br>
> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D""> it is a
>nice prop in an =<br>
>important publication. though the basic =20<br>
>sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the =<br>
>sciences, =20<br>
>I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the =20<br>
>aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual =20<br>
>science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... =20<br>
>inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our =20<br>
>profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the author =20<br>
>then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and =20<br>
>artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have once =20<br>
>looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions actual
>=20<br>
>paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal restorations)
>=20<br>
>is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this =20<br>
>keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real science =20<br>
>illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to =20<br>
>mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI typically =20<br>
>focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been
>=20<br>
>expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or =20<br>
>Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
> <br>
>-frank<br>
> </PRE><br>
> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Hey, hey,
>hey! I got my =<br>
>copy of the Nature article and I didn't even =20<br>
>need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just =20<br>
>the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
> <br>
>I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't =20<br>
>need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was
>=20<br>
>just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the =20<br>
>library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning.<br>
> <br>
>It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
> <br>
>Janet P. Wilkins<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> </PRE><br>
> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">From:
>gretchen =<br>
>halpert <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =<br>
>href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=<br>
>></A><br>
>Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></A><br>
>Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
> <br>
> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><br>
> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Hi
>all,Here are two =<br>
>links of interest:<br>
>The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the =20<br>
>conference under July =20<br>
>24th: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural</a>"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http:=">http:=</a><br>
>//gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural</A>-=20<br>
>science-illustrators.html<br>
> <br>
>The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best =20<br>
>bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a =20<br>
>subscription. The article came out the week before the conference =20<br>
>and was posted on the bulletin board at the =20<br>
>registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20</a><br>
>454278a.html<br>
> <br>
>Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the =20<br>
>tiara.)Elmira, <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=<br>
></A><br>
> <br>
> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE
>wrap=3D"">--=20<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito<br>
>Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>American Museum of Natural History<br>
>Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>NY NY 10024<br>
>(212) 769-5812<br>
><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></A><br>
><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></A><br>
><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></A=<br>
>><br>
> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE
>wrap=3D""><!----><br>
> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><PRE
>class=3Dmoz-signature cols=3D"72">--=20<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>Frank Ippolito<br>
>Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>American Museum of Natural History<br>
>Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>NY NY 10024<br>
>(212) 769-5812<br>
><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></A>=20<br>
><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></A> =<br>
> <br>
><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></A=<br>
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> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:00:16 -0400<br>
>From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
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> <br>
>Hi all,Well, I really didn't mean to start a discussion with the
>notice, but<br>
>I'm not surprised. What happened was that the journal/writer saw our
>website<br>
>on the conference and wanted to write an article about it. It was an<br>
>overview highlighting what the journal found interesting, extracted
>from a<br>
>lot of information I and others gave them. I would have loved to have<br>
>written the article myself, with more specifics about the field, but it<br>
>wouldn't have been published. They included the GNSI website, so
>hopefully<br>
>those interested will look us up and find out about scientific
>illustration<br>
>in more depth.<br>
>I'm happy Nature took an interest and who knows....perhaps it will lead
>some<br>
>scientists to the GNSI website and to Science-Art.com and someone will
>get<br>
>some work.....<br>
>Best,<br>
>Gretchen<br>
> <br>
>Gretchen Halpert<br>
>illustrator, educator<br>
>gretchen.halpert(at)gmail.com<br>
> <br>
>On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mieke Roth <<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>> I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should be
>grateful<br>
>> that<br>
>> we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and it is
>getting<br>
>> more and more important to be able to visualize scientific fact
>and data.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact that
>the<br>
>> profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a serious
>magazine<br>
>> or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it means
>that we<br>
>> still have some work to do, pr wise.<br>
>><br>
>> Mieke<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br>
>> Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>><br>
>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never
>happened before<br>
>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I
>understand<br>
>> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a
>prestigious<br>
>> journal.<br>
>> Lynn<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>><br>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the
>basic<br>
>> > sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>sciences,<br>
>> > I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>the<br>
>> > aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>actual<br>
>> > science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures...<br>
>> > inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to
>our<br>
>> > profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>author<br>
>> > then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>guesses, and<br>
>> > artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may
>have once<br>
>> > looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>mentions actual<br>
>> > paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>restorations)<br>
>> > is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>this<br>
>> > keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>science<br>
>> > illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>room to<br>
>> > mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>typically<br>
>> > focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>have been<br>
>> > expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>Nature or<br>
>> > Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -frank<br>
>> >> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>didn't even<br>
>> >> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>distance, just<br>
>> >> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that
>you didn't<br>
>> >> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs
>$32.00 and it was<br>
>> >> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>write to the<br>
>> >> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>morning.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> >>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>> >>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> >>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>> >>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>report of the<br>
>> >>> conference under July<br>
>> >>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a><br>
>> >>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>Nature. Your best<br>
>> >>> bet for reading it is from a university library
>unless you have a<br>
>> >>> subscription. The article came out the week before
>the conference<br>
>> >>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the<br>
>> >>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a><br>
>> >>> 454278a.html<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>> >>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>> >>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>> >>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you
>the<br>
>> >>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Frank Ippolito<br>
>> > Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> > Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> > American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> > Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> > NY NY 10024<br>
>> > (212) 769-5812<br>
>> > <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>><br>
> <br>
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><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div>Well, I really didn't mean to
>start a discussion with the notice, but I'm not surprised. What
>happened was that the journal/writer saw our website on the conference
>and wanted to write an article about it. It was an overview
>highlighting what the journal found interesting, extracted from a lot
>of information I and others gave them. I would have loved to have
>written the article myself, with more specifics about the field, but it
>wouldn't have been published. They included the GNSI website, so
>hopefully those interested will look us up and find out about
>scientific illustration in more depth. </div><br>
><div>I'm happy Nature took an interest and who knows....perhaps
>it will lead some scientists to the GNSI website and to Science-Art.com
>and someone will get some
>work.....</div><div>Best,</div><div>Gretchen</div><div><br>
><br></div><div>Gretchen
>Halpert</div><div>illustrator,
>educator</div><div>gretchen.halpert(at)<a href="<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">http://gmail.com</a>">gmail.com</a><br><br><div
>class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mieke Roth
><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a>></span>
>wrote:<br><br>
><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
>.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi all,<br><br>
><br><br>
>I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should be grateful
>that<br><br>
>we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and it is
>getting<br><br>
>more and more important to be able to visualize scientific fact and
>data.<br><br>
><br><br>
>I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact that
>the<br><br>
>profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a serious
>magazine<br><br>
>or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it means that
>we<br><br>
>still have some work to do, pr wise.<br><br>
><font color="#888888"><br><br>
>Mieke<br><br>
></font><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br>
><br><br>
>-----Original Message-----<br><br>
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>Illustration-<br><br>
></div><div><div></div><div
>class="Wj3C7c">[mailto:<a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a>]
>On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br><br>
>Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br><br>
>To: <a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br><br>
><br><br>
>I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never happened
>before<br><br>
>right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I
>understand<br><br>
>Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a
>prestigious<br><br>
>journal.<br><br>
>Lynn<br><br>
><br><br>
>-----Original Message-----<br><br>
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>Illustration-<br><br>
>[mailto:<a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
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> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a>]
>On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br><br>
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br><br>
>To: <a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br><br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br><br>
><br><br>
>On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br><br>
><br><br>
>> it is a nice prop in an important publication.
>though the basic<br><br>
>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>sciences, <br><br>
>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>the<br><br>
>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>actual<br><br>
>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>creatures...<br><br>
>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice
>sidebar to our<br><br>
>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>author<br><br>
>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "...
>inspired guesses, and<br><br>
>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>once<br><br>
>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where
>he mentions actual<br><br>
>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>restorations)<br><br>
>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>this<br><br>
>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>science<br><br>
>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>room to<br><br>
>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>typically<br><br>
>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>have been<br><br>
>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>Nature or<br><br>
>> Science I am expecting an article written for
>scientists.<br><br>
>><br><br>
>> -frank<br><br>
>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and
>I didn't even<br><br>
>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>distance, just<br><br>
>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic
>that lasts all day).<br><br>
>>><br><br>
>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found
>that you didn't<br><br>
>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs
>$32.00 and it was<br><br>
>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>write to the<br><br>
>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy
>this morning.<br><br>
>>><br><br>
>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br><br>
>>><br><br>
>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br><br>
>>><br><br>
>>><br><br>
>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a
>href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a>><br><br>
>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br><br>
>>>> To: <a href="mailto:<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br><br>
>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference
>publicity<br><br>
>>>><br><br>
>>><br><br>
>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of
>interest:<br><br>
>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a
>very nice report of the<br><br>
>>>> conference under July<br><br>
>>>> 24th: <a href="<a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a>"
>target="_blank"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a></a><br><br>
>>>> science-illustrators.html<br><br>
>>>><br><br>
>>>> The second is an article that was in the
>Journal Nature. Your best<br><br>
>>>> bet for reading it is from a university
>library unless you have a<br><br>
>>>> subscription. The article came out the week
>before the conference<br><br>
>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at
>the<br><br>
>>>> registration.<a href="<a
> moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>"
>target="_blank"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a></a><br><br>
>>>> 454278a.html<br><br>
>>>><br><br>
>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br><br>
>>>> The Ithaca conference committee
>rocks!<br><br>
>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br><br>
>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I
>owe you the<br><br>
>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a href="mailto:<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br><br>
>>>><br><br>
>>><br><br>
>><br><br>
>><br><br>
>> --<br><br>
>><br><br>
>><br><br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br><br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br><br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br><br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br><br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br><br>
>> NY NY
> 10024<br><br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br><br>
>> <a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br><br>
>> <a href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"
>target="_blank"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a><br><br>
>> <a href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"
>target="_blank"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></a><br><br>
></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br>
> <br>
>------=_Part_102838_16911785.1218499216896--<br>
> <br>
>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:17:35 -0400<br>
>From: Lynn Usack <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
> <br>
>Thank you Gretchen, I appreciate your clarification. <br>
>I can see that sentiments are strong, as the profession needs and<br>
>deserves more respect and recognition. I'll restate that I am grateful<br>
>for the publicity, especially because it includes the link to the GNSI<br>
>site, where people can learn much more. It is an opportunity, even if it<br>
>does not satisfy everyone's ideas on what Nature should have covered. I<br>
>didn't expect the additional conversation but I can see their points<br>
>too. I just prefer at this point to see the positive side of this. As<br>
>for Mieke's comments, yes, I agree, you have more work to do. I'll leave<br>
>it there, let's move on. <br>
>Thanks,<br>
>Lynn <br>
> <br>
>----- Original Message -----<br>
>From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>Date: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:03 pm<br>
>Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
> <br>
>> Hi all,Well, I really didn't mean to start a discussion with the <br>
>> notice, but<br>
>> I'm not surprised. What happened was that the journal/writer saw <br>
>> our website<br>
>> on the conference and wanted to write an article about it. It was
>an<br>
>> overview highlighting what the journal found interesting,
>extracted <br>
>> from a<br>
>> lot of information I and others gave them. I would have loved to
>have<br>
>> written the article myself, with more specifics about the field, <br>
>> but it<br>
>> wouldn't have been published. They included the GNSI website, so <br>
>> hopefullythose interested will look us up and find out about <br>
>> scientific illustration<br>
>> in more depth.<br>
>> I'm happy Nature took an interest and who knows....perhaps it will
> <br>
>> lead some<br>
>> scientists to the GNSI website and to Science-Art.com and someone <br>
>> will get<br>
>> some work.....<br>
>> Best,<br>
>> Gretchen<br>
>> <br>
>> Gretchen Halpert<br>
>> illustrator, educator<br>
>> gretchen.halpert(at)gmail.com<br>
>> <br>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mieke Roth <<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> > Hi all,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should
>be <br>
>> grateful> that<br>
>> > we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and
>it is <br>
>> getting> more and more important to be able to visualize
>scientific <br>
>> fact and data.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact
> <br>
>> that the<br>
>> > profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a <br>
>> serious magazine<br>
>> > or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it
>means <br>
>> that we<br>
>> > still have some work to do, pr wise.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Mieke<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > -----Original Message-----<br>
>> > From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>Illustration-<br>
>> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br>
>> > Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br>
>> > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> > Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never <br>
>> happened before<br>
>> > right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I
> <br>
>> understand> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press
>in <br>
>> such a prestigious<br>
>> > journal.<br>
>> > Lynn<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -----Original Message-----<br>
>> > From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>Illustration-<br>
>> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>> > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> > Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > > it is a nice prop in an important publication. though
>the basic<br>
>> > > sentiment is about how integral illustration is within
>the <br>
>> sciences,> > I do wish that the author hadn't repeated
>returned <br>
>> focus on the<br>
>> > > aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do
>with actual<br>
>> > > science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>creatures...<br>
>> > > inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice
>sidebar to our<br>
>> > > profession. on its own it would have served as such. but
>the <br>
>> author> > then quotes Warren Allmon description of "...
>inspired <br>
>> guesses, and<br>
>> > > artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals
>may have <br>
>> once> > looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where
>he <br>
>> mentions actual<br>
>> > > paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
> <br>
>> restorations)> > is left out. he then mentions Jame's
>Gurney's <br>
>> Dinotopia talk. this<br>
>> > > keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about
>real <br>
>> science> > illustration. all this in a one page article
>leaves <br>
>> little room to<br>
>> > > mention what science illustration really is and what
>GNSI <br>
>> typically> > focuses on during a conference. in Omni
>magazine this <br>
>> would have been<br>
>> > > expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such
>as <br>
>> Nature or<br>
>> > > Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > -frank<br>
>> > >> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article
>and I <br>
>> didn't even<br>
>> > >> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>distance, <br>
>> just> >> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all
>day).<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> I've been looking at the link for a time and found
>that you <br>
>> didn't> >> need to subscribe, however, the article still
>costs <br>
>> $32.00 and it was<br>
>> > >> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>write to the<br>
>> > >> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy
>this morning.<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >>> From: gretchen halpert <<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> > >>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>> > >>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> > >>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> > >>><br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>> > >>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very
>nice report <br>
>> of the<br>
>> > >>> conference under July<br>
>> > >>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-"
> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-</a><br>
>> natural-<br>
>> > >>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>> > >>><br>
>> > >>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>Nature. Your <br>
>> best> >>> bet for reading it is from a university
>library unless <br>
>> you have a<br>
>> > >>> subscription. The article came out the week
>before the <br>
>> conference> >>> and was posted on the bulletin board
>at the<br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>>
> <br>
>> >>> 454278a.html<br>
>> > >>><br>
>> > >>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>> > >>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>> > >>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>> > >>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe
>you the<br>
>> > >>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> > >>><br>
>> > >><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > --<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Frank Ippolito<br>
>> > > Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> > > Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> > > American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> > > Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> > > NY NY 10024<br>
>> > > (212) 769-5812<br>
>> > > <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>> > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> <br>
> <br>
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