I agree.. Virge...the books by Edward Tufte are terrific. Another older but
very interesting book is Experiences in Visual Thinking by Robert H. McKim who
works in Stanford. He may have new ones out.
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A second problem: we have just gotten a Wacom pad (cool!) but do not see how to
get the pen's dialogue box to allow the <variable> option (it is <grayed>).
Can the great guru at goddard or anyone else help?
Thanks
-Clara
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Clara,
We have A Wacom tablet hooked up to a Power Mac. But no problem with unusable
features. There is a report of a software conflict, but I havn't seen it
happen.
This sounds like a call to tech support.
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Thought I would pass this info along to all interested parties!!Cheers, Polly
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Hello everyone!
Thanks, Joe T., Britt. If I find out anything useful about the Wacom pad
problem I'll post it.
Sylvia: Welcome. Everyone else said it. You may do the sort of stuff we do
here at Field Museum. We are also still learning but have found that right away
the computer is better at maps, diagrams, diagramatic figures (including
elevations of study sites), anything with a lot of labeling. For layout (as of
a key), it's unbeatable. I echo, for detailed rendering of specimens, it's not
much use...yet.
-Clara
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I'm looking into buying a drawing tablet and I was wondering your opinion
of Wacom Drawing tablets??Also, does the eraser on the new pen make a big
difference? Is it worth the extra money?Also is there anyone familiar with
MacHandwriter-its a new drawing tablet-any critiques? Just curious!Thanks
in advance!Polly
Pauline Denham
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University of Nebraska State Museum
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Polly.
I have a Wacom tablet and I LOVE it. It was indeed a big step up from
drawing with a mouse!
Lana Johnson
Lana Koepke Johnson
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>Polly.
>I have a Wacom tablet and I LOVE it. It was indeed a big step up from
>drawing with a mouse!
>Lana Johnson
I have a question about these devices, never having seen one - could you
use one in a "camera lucida" fashion? That is, can you have an image
displayed on the tablet, like a PhotoShop image, and then trace over it on
the tablet to create a line drawing?
Doug Yanega Illinois Natural History Survey, 607 E. Peabody Dr.
Champaign, IL 61820 USA phone (217) 244-6817, fax (217) 333-4949
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>I'm looking into buying a drawing tablet and I was wondering your opinion
>of Wacom Drawing tablets??Also, does the eraser on the new pen make a big
>difference? Is it worth the extra money?Also is there anyone familiar with
>MacHandwriter-its a new drawing tablet-any critiques? Just curious!Thanks
>in advance!Polly
Hi Polly,
We just took delivery of one of those newer 12x12 ArtZ Wacom tablets. The
newer ones have a higher resolution as well as the eraser feature. Most
importantly, the Wacom tablet seems to be very stable. We needed a tablet
that can coexist with a mouse, and it is doing just fine.I understand that
some of the other tablets have issues relating to this. And using a pen as
a mouse just doesn't cut it. The older UD models are selling for about $300
less though,and this is a really good deal. The eraser seems to be a nice
feature, and I'm sure it will become second nature, but as of now, I
haven't used it much.I don't think that it is worth the extra cash, but
combined with the higher res, it might be. Depends on your needs. I do not
know much about the MacHandwriter, but I have a gut feeling that it falls
below the quality of either Wacom tablet.
Regards,
Frank Ippolito
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American Museum of Natural History
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ooooh, what a GREAT question, Doug!!I would LOVE to know that!!Can you use
the pen like the Photoshop paintbrush, changing the line quality, line
weight, etc.?
Also, just out is a New Adobe Illustrator Plug-in that I find VERY
interesting. Its called MAPublisher. It will download USGS DLG files from
the internet and Arc/Info files into Adobe Illustrator as EDITABLE files!It
compresses and uncompresses large files from the internet to download!It
also has other options like selecting certain topo lines and automatic fill
on the entire map. I'm really excited about this!I thought some one you
might be interested in knowing this exists. I've been looking for something
like this for MONTHS!Sooo, I thought I would spread the word!
Cheers, Polly
Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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>I have a question about these devices, never having seen one - could you
>use one in a "camera lucida" fashion? That is, can you have an image
>displayed on the tablet, like a PhotoShop image, and then trace over it on
>the tablet to create a line drawing?
Hi Doug,
What you are describing cannot be done with the digitizers we are
discussing. The tablet has no ability to rear-project an image for tracing.
It can, however, trace over a drawing (on paper), transfering the
information into the computer. I would love to see the product you
envision. In fact, a flat screen monitor/digitizer is the ultimate
evolutionary step in artist/computer interface. Although I am sure it is
posible with today's technologies. It would be too expensive to implement.
But stay tuned <g>.
Frank
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>ooooh, what a GREAT question, Doug!!I would LOVE to know that!!Can you use
>the pen like the Photoshop paintbrush, changing the line quality, line
>weight, etc.?
Hi Polly,
The pen is pressure sensitive. Increased pressure can easily be assigned to
increased line width etc. This is major selling point for the newer
generation of digitizers.
BTW I just responded to Doug's message re Lana Johnson. I never recieved
Lana's message, or any other than your's and Doug. Just wondering if a lot
of these notes are somehow falling through the cracks.
Cheers,
Frank
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Hey Frank,
Don't know why you didn't get Lana's message. I sent it out approved and
recieved it back. No other messages have gone thru other than yours and
Doug's.I've been told that if your server is down for a short period of
time, the message is sent back to the UNL server. After a while the UNL
server will try to send the message again for a few days. If the server or
account is down, THEN I will recieve a message that the posting was not
recieved. I often recieve email that was sent to me 4 hours before. I think
there might be a warp in the force, or the planets are out of alignment, or
aliens when these things happen. ;) BUT, I'll look into it!!
Oh, I just talked to Mary Parrish this morning and she said that you guys
are trying to get a paleo session together for DC. She asked if I might be
interested. Count me in!Just let me know what you guys are thinking
about!I'm an invert. paleo. type, BUT I do a lot of vert. paleo.
reconstructions. Let me know if I can help!Cheers, Polly
Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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>I think
>there might be a warp in the force, or the planets are out of alignment, or
>aliens when these things happen. ;) BUT, I'll look into it!!
Hi Polly,
This would explain a lot of things in my life right now. <G>
>Oh, I just talked to Mary Parrish this morning and she said that you guys
>are trying to get a paleo session together for DC. She asked if I might be
>interested. Count me in!Just let me know what you guys are thinking
>about!I'm an invert. paleo. type, BUT I do a lot of vert. paleo.
>reconstructions. Let me know if I can help!Cheers, Polly
Consider yourself counted. Your input on invert stuff will be very useful
I'm sure. We will be kicking around ideas on format and content over the
next month or so, I think. Looking forward to working with you.
Thanks for the reply. I'll keep my eyes open for any strange vorteci (sp?).
Cheers,
Frank
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Obviously WACOM has a good reputation. Often I have seen the levels of pressure
they can sense is 120 while other brands offer 256 levels. I don't know if this
makes any "real world" difference. Another consern is the use of the Macs
ports. Some tablets use ADB ports others use Printer and Modem ports. You
could end up short on ports or need a switch box.
I have no real experience with tablets. May be Elaine Hodges could forward a
message to George Venable and get a reply on his feelings, I think he uses a
WACOM.
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I'm looking into buying a drawing tablet and I was wondering your opinion
of Wacom Drawing tablets??Also, does the eraser on the new pen make a big
difference? Is it worth the extra money?Also is there anyone familiar with
MacHandwriter-its a new drawing tablet-any critiques? Just curious!Thanks
in advance!Polly
Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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And where can we find this wonder may I ask< drool, drool...
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_______________________________________________________________________________
Also, just out is a New Adobe Illustrator Plug-in that I find VERY
interesting. Its called MAPublisher. It will download USGS DLG files from
the internet and Arc/Info files into Adobe Illustrator as EDITABLE files!It
compresses and uncompresses large files from the internet to download!It
also has other options like selecting certain topo lines and automatic fill
on the entire map. I'm really excited about this!I thought some one you
might be interested in knowing this exists. I've been looking for something
like this for MONTHS!Sooo, I thought I would spread the word!
Cheers, Polly
Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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Hey Britt,
I found it in the new Adobe Plug-in Source Vol.II, no.2 from ADOBE!!!Great
stuff!!The toll free number is.......1 800 685 3547! I'm very excited about
the possiblities!!Also, apparently, you can down load THAT image into Adobe
dimensions 3D plug in and get 3D MAPS!!!!How exciting!
Cheers, Polly
Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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>And where can we find this wonder may I ask< drool, drool...
Hi Britt,
Speaking of drooling, does anyone know of a new program or utility that
will simply translate any B&W line art into a scalable postcsript file? I
came across info on this somewhere, and lost track of it.
Frank
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Hey Frank,
I know this was directed to Britt, but I thought I would put my two cents
in...Hope you don't mind!!
Have you used Adobe Streamline? Its a relatively cheap program
($99.00-$129.00)that allows you to import images and change them into EPS
files-editable too!!To quote the book-converts bitmapped images into high
quality Postscript language images. You can convert black and white line
art, color and grayscale images into formats such as Illustrator, Freehans,
PICT, and DXF.ITS GREAT STUFF!!!I've had it for over a year now. I find it
very useful for converting pict images into editable eps files!It also has
a great tuotrial. MacUser gave it 4.5 mice!!
--Good product!Cheers, Polly
Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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Polly, Just gave them a call and the catalog is on the way!
_______________________________________________________________________________
Hey Britt,
I found it in the new Adobe Plug-in Source Vol.II, no.2 from ADOBE!!!Great
stuff!!The toll free number is.......1 800 685 3547! I'm very excited about
the possiblities!!Also, apparently, you can down load THAT image into Adobe
dimensions 3D plug in and get 3D MAPS!!!!How exciting!
___________________
New Adobe Illustrator Plug-in that I find VERY
interesting. Its called MAPublisher. It will download USGS DLG files from
the internet and Arc/Info files into Adobe Illustrator as EDITABLE files!
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Frank,
I assume you are talking about scanning B&W hardcopy and then converting it to
outline vector art, such as you might find in Adobe Illustrator.
Ther are two programs I know of:
1. Adobe Streamline. We have a copy of this in the Office, and the price is
right, under $100. However, I have never been impressed with the results for my
needs. I think it would be O K for convertion of general clip art. but for
science stuff I really don't think it cuts the mustard. to much clean-up work is
equired or it doesn't catch the details well enough.
2. ScanVec Tracer. This is a program I Know nothing about. I just received a
pamphlet in the mail last week. But for $795 it better do a danm sight better
than Streamline, or they arn't going to sell many. They are selling it for $495
through the end of Oct.95. I would say if if does the trick, it is well worth
the money. But I'd want to try a demo copy before I went to the trouble of
convincing may Department they ought to by it. Chack them out and let us Know
the results.
SCANVEC
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Hi Britt,
Speaking of drooling, does anyone know of a new program or utility that
will simply translate any B&W line art into a scalable postcsript file? I
came across info on this somewhere, and lost track of it.
Frank
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Polly & Britt,
Thanks for the replies. It was Streamline that I'd heard about. But from
what Britt is telling me, Ill check out Tracer first. I'll let you know if
it is worth the pocket change.
Frank
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>Polly & Britt,
>
>Thanks for the replies. It was Streamline that I'd heard about. But from
>what Britt is telling me, Ill check out Tracer first. I'll let you know if
>it is worth the pocket change.
>
>Frank
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Hi Frank....I missed the first threads... but I was not pleased with the
results I got with Streamline... I was trying to do a data line
trace (lots of peaks and valleys...science research data) and it was
dreadful...I chose 'centerline' but it still went all over the place..
i had to delete a zillion useless anchor points.. It may work well
for purely graphics effects..but it did not prove to be an effective
tool for tracing a single line scan.....
Jaynie
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Hi Britt,
I just called Scanvec. They say the offer has been extended indefinitely.
They do not have a working demo, but say that their software comes with a
30 day money back offer. Of course I'd get that in writing before cutting a
check. According to the salesperson, the software comes with three discrete
packages. One for scanning, one for vectorizing, and the last for editing.
I'll wait for their literature to comment further.
PS I am swamped with a soundtrack project, a painting, and designing a
series of B&W illustrations. Everything will remain crazy untill the time I
venture down to DC in mid-November. How have you fared with the Web page
research? I'd like to get this off the ground ASAP- assuming you haven't
already taken off <g>.
Frank
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Hi....
Anyone care to help me envision and create quarks and gluons in Photoshop?
As no mere mortal has ever set eyes on these subatomic particles, we have a
lot of latitude (Also, nobody here AGREES on what they look like so that also
gives us free reign... :^)
I have envisioned tiny quivering globs of light (energy) , quivering with
energy in a sort of light-green glowing plasma gel....the gel connects the
quivering quarks... quivering as opposed to throbbing... older illustrations
depict an electron being formed from 3 quarks, sort of circling and each
quark is a different color....always red, green, and blue....huddling together..
I would love to hear from someone else on this.......its anyone's guess.
Thank you
Jaynie
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I have subscribed to the Photoshop Listserve group. I am editing the items that
come in to some extent and then passing them on to others in the office. I was
wondering how people would feel if I were to post thes Digests to the SciArt
group? Alternatively I could put you on my private mailing list, if the group
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I just recived some material from the ScanVec Corporation vis their Info Fax
Line. They show a comparison of their product and Adobe's (refured to as the
leading compeditor). The Tracer software does appear to do a better job. While
I'm not sure I would pop for $495-$795 based on a faxed sample, it might infact
prove to be worht the investment. Hopefully they offer some sort of demo disk.
ScanVec Tracer 1(800) 866-6227
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>I have subscribed to the Photoshop Listserve group. I am editing the
>items that
>come in to some extent and then passing them on to others in the office.
>I was
>wondering how people would feel if I were to post thes Digests to the SciArt
>group? Alternatively I could put you on my private mailing list, if the group
>finds the length of these posts objectionable or the content irrelevant.
>
>Feedback please!
>
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Go ahead Britt. I for one would appreciate it very much!
John Nyquist
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Good Afternoon SciArt-L ers!!
I thought that I would forward this message to SciArt-L from the VRA list
because some of us are novice listserv/internet folks. I thought this would
be VERY educational about how the software works and what a "SPAM" is.
Internet terminology can be fun and frustrating.
Also...we are getting great response from the announcement in the GNSI
newsletter about the list!!THANKS to Norm and Kris!!
And all new subscribers-Welcome aboard!Don't be shy....let's hear from you!
This is the post from the Visual Resources Association Listserv-
>From: "David L. Merrifield" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Please relax for just a moment,
> put your feet up and Picture , this Beautiful Scene :
>To: Multiple recipients of list
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>Dear Listserv subscribers:
>
> The subject above came from a posting to the listserv lists, plus many
>others, yesterday. There are a number of individuals who are of the
>opinion that they can use the many hundreds of list servers available on
>the Internet today as their own personal broadcast medium for distributing
>advertisements and solications, many of which are for money-making
>schemes. I thought I would just give a quick warning to the list
>subscribers that this has become a real problem over the past two months.
>
> The term "spam" has been coined to describe these indiscriminate,
>network-wide broadcasted messages. The list server software that we use
>for the listserv lists has code built-in that works with other list servers
>around the world to detect and prevent these spams, but sometimes the code
>does not work and the message makes it through for distribution to
>on the list. This really upsets a lot of people, including network and list
>server administrators like myself, and others who use e-mail services for
>which they pay a charge for each mail message and/or for the size of their
>e-mail messages.
>
> How should you react? It's probably best to just ignore the
>messages. Certainly I would advise that you never send money to these
>folks. Many of them take great pains to hide their real identity on the
>network (so network administrators can't track them down). Please also
>bear in mind that these folks almost never subscribe to the lists they
>are abusing, so it makes no sense whatsoever to send responses back to the
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> Thanks for your attention. And now back to your regularly scheduled
>program.....
>
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Hello everyone!
I have to agree with Jaynie on her analysis of Streamline - you get far too many
points. We don't let the students use it; we get much better (contollable)
results doing a trace the "old fashioned" way. ie scan in a template and do a
manual trace with the pen tool. It is more effort, but the result is worth it.
Joe
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The Natl. Mus. of Nat. History Senate of Scientists presents
Trends and Techniques for Preparation of Illustrations: How to Prepare
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Thursday, Nov. 2, 1995, 9:30 - 11:30 am
Natl. Mus. 0f Nat. History, Learning Center Rooms B & C, near the
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I think quarks and gluons qualify as subatomic particles and there are
pictures of subatomic particles. These photographs have been created in
bubble chambers at places like CERN, the Center for Nuclear Research (in
Europe) and Fermilab (Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia, IL).
According to these photographs the trails of subatomic particles look like
spiral trails. Sometimes the photographs remind me of Kandinsky's
painting's. I don't know that this really speaks to what the particles
themselves actually look like.
If this seems like it might be useful you might want to check out the book
Aesthetics and Science, which is about Robert R. Wilson, the first
Fermilab Director, for there is a photograph of a particle tracing in it.
You can also find a photograph in a book by Harry Robin called The
Scientific Image.
Amy Ione
On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Jaynie Martz wrote:
> Hi....
>
> Anyone care to help me envision and create quarks and gluons in Photoshop?
>
> As no mere mortal has ever set eyes on these subatomic particles, we have a
> lot of latitude (Also, nobody here AGREES on what they look like so that also
> gives us free reign... :^)
>
> I have envisioned tiny quivering globs of light (energy) , quivering with
> energy in a sort of light-green glowing plasma gel....the gel connects the
> quivering quarks... quivering as opposed to throbbing... older illustrations
> depict an electron being formed from 3 quarks, sort of circling and each
> quark is a different color....always red, green, and blue....huddling together..
>
> I would love to hear from someone else on this.......its anyone's guess.
>
> Thank you
>
> Jaynie
>
>
> Jaynie Martz
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>I think quarks and gluons qualify as subatomic particles and there are
>pictures of subatomic particles. These photographs have been created in
>bubble chambers at places like CERN, the Center for Nuclear Research (in
>Europe) and Fermilab (Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia, IL).
>According to these photographs the trails of subatomic particles look like
>spiral trails. Sometimes the photographs remind me of Kandinsky's
>painting's. I don't know that this really speaks to what the particles
>themselves actually look like.
>
>If this seems like it might be useful you might want to check out the book
>Aesthetics and Science, which is about Robert R. Wilson, the first
>Fermilab Director, for there is a photograph of a particle tracing in it.
>You can also find a photograph in a book by Harry Robin called The
>Scientific Image.
>
>Amy Ione
>
>On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Jaynie Martz wrote:
>
>> Hi....
>>
>> Anyone care to help me envision and create quarks and gluons in Photoshop?
>>
Thankyou Amy.....Yes, I have plenty of photos of particle 'trails'....but there
are no photos of the real thing...maybe never will be. So I must use my
imagination...
Jaynie
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How about little globes of colored TV static that are transparent or fading in
and out of existance?
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Hi....
Anyone care to help me envision and create quarks and gluons in Photoshop?
As no mere mortal has ever set eyes on these subatomic particles, we have a
lot of latitude (Also, nobody here AGREES on what they look like so that also
gives us free reign... :^)
I have envisioned tiny quivering globs of light (energy) , quivering with
energy in a sort of light-green glowing plasma gel....the gel connects the
quivering quarks... quivering as opposed to throbbing... older illustrations
depict an electron being formed from 3 quarks, sort of circling and each
quark is a different color....always red, green, and blue....huddling together..
I would love to hear from someone else on this.......its anyone's guess.
Thank you
Jaynie
Jaynie Martz
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Subject: Rangemapper
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Members,
I received some information on a product which might be useful to you or
some of
your scientist collegues. While I havn't tried it, it sounds like it might be
usefull:
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Macintosh program for species distribution mapping
RangeMapper 2.3 is a Macintosh program for generating species
distribution maps of publishable quality, that can be dropped into
your own documents. It plots maps in seven projections, and include
mapping data files for the world (low resolution) and for North
America (higher-resolution). Higher-resolution files are also
available for Australia and New Zealand, and are under development
for Europe and South America. Higher-resolution files with more
hydrologic detail, major highways, and administrative borders
(National Forests, etc.) are available for Alaska north of 64
degrees, Washington, Idaho, Oregon, and California. More states
will follow later. There is considerable flexibility as to what is
shown in a given map--even to the point of adding (or highlighting)
hydrologic features individually by name. Species data are plotted
by reading ASCII files of lat/long data, which can be exported from
data bases or spreadsheets. Data may be plotted as dots
(squares/circles, open/filled), lines, or 3-D bars whose heights are
controlled by a third variable (thus displaying the geographic
variation of quantitative information). A user-designed lat/long
grid (or lat/long tick marks around the border) may be overlaid on
any map, and lat/long coordinates may be read off the screen.
You can contact them for more info:
Tundra Vole Software
1590 North Becker Ridge Road
Fairbanks, AK 99709-2705
Phone: (907) 479-2689
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P.S. ask them for a demo disk or some sample output.
Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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>How about little globes of colored TV static that are transparent or fading in
>and out of existance?
>
ooooh....I like that Britt! This goes into the design baggie...a keeper.
Jaynie
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Subject: Photoshop News 703 (LONG)
Here is a large sample of the Photoshop Listserv. If you think its to much let
me know and I won't post so much in the future.
Britt
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Subject: Re: beveled edges w/ 3.04 for windows
> Is there a place to find plugins on the Net other than the Adobe web site?
Yes, try http://inorganic1.chem.ufl.edu/alf/photos.htm
> Is there a way to create beveled edges, for instance, web site type
buttons, in photoshop without a plugin filter?
Yep, several ways... One of the most intresting is by using the lighting effects
filter. Look in my page for the link to Doc Ozone page (tips section). He
explains it very well.
> If not, then where can I find this plugin that will allow me to create the
beveled edge look?
>
The plugin that people talk about here is part of the Sucking Fish filters.
These are for MAC only. But don't despair, there are several other ways that
probably give you more control on the final effect. The KPT site on MIT has tips
on how to create buttons too.
Alf
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RE: making it look like its raining
I guess you could try [on a new seperate layer] to add noise = monochromatic
with gaussian distribution and then do a motion blur on it = with a huge setting
in a diagonal dir. Then take that layer and make it = transparent. Also try to
do a layer property that is lighten only. = make the layer VERY transparent.
Let me know how it works if it does :)
Ron
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Re: Rain
I've not tried it, but your post got me thinking about trying this...
1. Create a new channel
2. Add maximum noise to it
3. Motion-blur it to death, or at least until you have some really neat-o thin,
soft white, gray and black lines running across it
4. Rotate the channel image to the desired angle of rainfall
5. Use the channel as a selection mask to lighten/darken/whatever your main
image until it looks like real-deal rainfall.
Hey, this sounds good. I may try this myself! :)
Kim_A_
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RE: Rain
I seem to remember a couple of KPT textures that look like rain streaking down
(one was in the Fire category, I believe). You might have to adjust the color
scheme, but couldn't you put one on another layer and blend it in with your
clouds? (It might be tough making it look like the rain is coming _from_ the
clouds, however.)
Could KPT Bryce help with this in anyway? (Since it is 3D you could pick the
angle of the clouds, but I don't know if it supports rain.)
Marc Zeedar
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Subject: Clipping Paths
It was 10/12/95 when [log in to unmask] discoursed:
> I hope this will be a simple question.
> I have scanned a photo in photoshop, selected the background and deleted it.
> When I place the photo in my document, there is still a white box around the
> photo. How do you make that background (that was deleted) transparent?
Rather than deleting the unwanted background to transparent, you'll need to
create a 'clipping path' around that portion of the image you want to use
in your document.
1. Go to the paths window
2. use the pen tool to create a path around the object
3. save the path
4. save the image file as EPS, select "use clipping path" option
5. import the graphic into your document as an EPS.
I think this will provide the results you're looking for.
Kim_A_
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There is a new plugin available for PS which addresses the newer GIF
formats. I know that it can interlace the image, but haven't tried it to see if
it will also make one of the colors transparent. The plugin can be found and
downloaded from the Adobe WWW page: http://www.adobe.com Look for (GIF89a)
Other programs depend on whether you are using a Mac or Windows ...
cheers, shaf
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Subject: Re: Mac/progressive jpg
>I usually use gif-pictures in my html-pages, but lately I have dicovered a >new
way of compressing/storing html-images. And its much faster than interlaced gif.
Progressive jpeg is the name. ... and you get 24bit color!!!
>Can anyone please tell me how to use these method or if PS is the answer. >If
this option is only possible in other applications, name it and where to get a
hold of it.
Create two JPEGs, one high quality and the other low quality and/or low res.
I believe only Netscape can load progressive inline images. For an example see
my page, http://darkwing.uoregon.edu:80/~mshaf/shafhome/ and view the source ...
cheers, shaf
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>I hope this will be a simple question.
>I have scanned a photo in photoshop, selected the background and deleted it= .
>When I place the photo in my document, there is still a white box around th= e
>photo. How do you make that background (that was deleted) transparent?
You have to make a path around the part you want to wiew. Save path, choose
clippingpath when you save as EPS (paths only works with EPS).
Yngve R=F8dli
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Adobe's new GIF plug-in (available online as part of the 3.0.5 update) does
indeed let you choose a color to be treated as if it were transparent; in fact,
it'll let you select multiple colors for transparency. But it's intended
(primarily) for use online. If you're working for print, GIFs are not the way
to go. Use an EPS with a clipping path, as the fine manual points out.
BTW, an interesting new twist on clipping paths: You no longer have to use EPS
files IF you're using Photoshop 3 and PageMaker 6. PageMaker 6 will accept
Photoshop TIFFs with clipping paths (versions of PM prior to 6.0, and all other
applications that I know of, require an EPS file for clipping paths to work).
So, if for some reason one doesn't want to or can't use an EPS file (for
example, if you don't have a PostScript printer), if you're using PM 6 and PS 3,
you can now use clipping paths in a TIFF file. Imagine that!
Hope this helps.
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Subject: Re: PS and cross-platform
>>A question concerning cross-platform images...
>>I am currently using Photoshop to design images for a web site. I am >>working
on a Mac and my clients have PC's. The dilemma is that when viewed >>on the PC
monitors, the Gifs are a lot darker than they were on my Mac.
>>Jac
Okay, Jac, you forced me to do it. (And I hated every minute of it)
See my web page www.cgsd.com/papers/gamma.web.html
for more discussion on your problem and the general answer to making good web
pictures with photoshop from "both" platforms.
GENE
Making Good Looking WWW GIFs or JPEGs for
Multi-Platforms with Photoshop(Pictures deleted)
The first picture is an image from Photoshop's tutorial for the Mac. It was
saved unchanged (except scaled down). The second image is the same as the first,
but was gamma corrected for a PC or Sun. It should look brighter on all
platforms. If you are viewing with a PC or Sun, the second image will look as it
should and the first will be too bright. If you are viewing on a Mac (or SGI)
the first image will look as it should for Mac and almost as it should for SGI.
Your Mac does gamma correction in its graphics card and most PC's do not.
Therefore when something looks good on your Mac, it will be too dark on your PC.
If the GIF is ultimately going to reside on the web, where it will be viewed by
people with Mac's and PC's, you are out of luck. The GIF file format (and JPEG
too) can not encode the gamma correction used. Hopefully there will be a new
graphics format accepted soon called PNG (Portable Network Graphics) to solve
this problem. It is not a Netscape problem because the file format does not
contain that information. It is a Netscape problem because even if the file
format did contain that inforamation, Netscape wouldn't know what to do with it.
Thus you can make a GIF or JPEG look good for a PC or make it look good for a
Mac but not both simultaneously. (SGI's and Mac's are about the same and Sun's
and PC's are about the same, incidentally)
Macintosh Photoshop
To make a GIF or JPEG image look good for the WWW (where many types of platforms
reside) using Mac Photoshop (using Windows Photoshop follows)
1) First set your gamma to about 1.8. Gamma is found under the File Menu
under "Monitor Setup".
2) Then create your image so that it looks good on your Mac in RGB mode
(not indexed color which GIFs are).
3)Then you must take the image from RGB mode into Lab mode in Mac Photoshop.
4) Once in Lab mode, go back to the Gamma setting under Monitor Setup under the
File menu and raise your gamma. I'm not exactly sure how far you should raise it
because I am not yet sure what the Photoshop gamma setting
actually represents on the Macintosh version. I know it does not represent the
same thing as the gamma setting in Windows Photoshop. Try setting it at 2.2 -
this is my best guess and is what I call the "web average gamma" discussed
below.
5) You will see your image brighten appreciably. It will now be too bright and
look slightly bleached out. This is good.
6) Then switch back to RGB mode. This changes the original RGB value of every
pixel. The picture will stay too bright.
7) Now change to Indexed color if you want to save as a GIF or leave it in RGB
to save as a JPEG.
8) View on as many platforms as you can. Adjust gamma by switching to Lab and
changing gamma, then switching back to RGB. Then resave and repeat this step
until it looks good.
Average Web Gamma
To make a good looking web image, means average looking on all platforms. Your
Mac wants files gamma corrected to 1.8, the SGI wants them at 1.4 and PC's and
Suns want them at 2.5. Since Mac's and PC's are most common I try to average
between the two at 2.2. Anticipate your viewers platforms and adjust
accordingly.
For more information on Gamma and to get more insight in making beautiful WWW
images (not that I have many to offer) I strongly recommend you see the Gamma
Home Page
For an example of how I get around this problem, by offering two sets of
pictures, see my
texture patterns and follow the leads to view images.
Photoshop for Windows
To make good looking WWW images using Windows Photoshop. 1) Set the Gamma
Setting found under the File menu under "Monitor Setup" to about 2.5. In the
Windows version of Photoshop, gamma represents what has been done to the file.
This is different than the Mac gamma interpretation in Photoshop.
2) Create your image so it looks good on your PC.
3) Stay in RGB mode and change the gamma setting to about 2.2 (this is my
designated WWW average discussed above)
4) You will see your picture darken a little. This is good.
5) Switch to indexed color to save as a GIF or stay in RGB to save as a JPEG.
6) View on as many platforms as you can. Adjust gamma and resave and repeat this
step until it looks good.
Gene McKenna
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Subject: Re: progressive jpg
The "progressive" thing works with GIFs or JPEGs - loads one image and later
comes back and loads another in its place.
This not only allows for the quick low-res followed by the slow hi-res trick but
can also be used to create "low-budget" two-frame animations with two totally
different images. HTML looks like this:
<IMG SRC="image1.gif" LOWSRC="image2.gif">
(or you can substitute .jpeg for .gif)
Is a Netscapism, though, so 25-30% (depending on who you talk to) of the folks
hitting your site won't see it.
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At 06:03 AM 10/12/95 -0500, Jay Boersma wrote:
>>> Progressive jpeg is the name.
>The "progressive" thing works with GIFs or JPEGs - loads one image and >later
comes back and loads another in its place.
I think that the previous poster is referring to the new Netscape 2.0 feature
that allows JPEGS to become sort of "inline", instead of gifs. The reason it's
called "progressive" and not "inline", from what I noticed, is because the JPEG
image comes in as big to little squares. However, unlike the "inline" gifs, it
doesn't appear to be pixelated. You'll just have to see for yourself in order to
really understand what I'm talking about.
CB
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Subject: Re: PS and cross-platform woes
A suggestion for dealing with the current gamma incompatibilities of Mac's and
PC's. Why not offer parallel Mac and PC versions of the images by providing Mac
and PC buttons on the Web site's top page?
I've done something like this with Netscape
version and Mosaic version buttons on the top page of the Web site cited below.
Michael Eisenstadt ([log in to unmask])
http://www.eden.com/~madelon (<-Madelon's Recent Paintings)
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From: Crosby! <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gallery Effects Plaster Filter? Message-ID: <
[log in to unmask]>
>> The full title is "Photoshop Filter Finesse" by Bill Niffenegger. I have >>
that book. It doesn't have the filter I want in it though. See page 205 >> (Fig.
5-32) for the effect I'm after.
>
>I would appreciate if the owners of this book could post a list of the >
included filters for both mac and windows. I was looking at the book and >
thinking about buying it (even though I don't have a CD-ROM). Another >question,
how big are the contents of the CD, can I transfer them to a >couple of disks?
The inside back cover mentions which filters are on the CD. According to my
check the CD has 123.8 MB of data on it. So, sure, you can transfer it to a
couple SyQuest or Zip disks. :-)
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Subject: Re: PS and cross-platform woes
Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]>
At 1:47 PM 10/12/95 -0500, czbb062 wrote:
>A suggestion for dealing with the current gamma incompatibilities of Mac's and
PC's. Why not offer parallel Mac and PC versions of the images by >providing
Mac and PC buttons on the Web site's >top page?
>
>I've done something like this with Netscape >version and Mosaic version buttons
on the top page of the Web site cited below.
>Michael Eisenstadt ([log in to unmask]
>http://www.eden.com/~madelon (<-Madelon's Recent Paintings)
Good idea - I did this too for a subset of my site asking users to select which
computer they have before I show them some images. I'd like to find a way to
determine that automatically, although not all PC's have system gamma of 2.5 so
it gets to be problematic.
If you do try it, most Sun's are like PC's and SGI's are similar to, but not the
same as Macs. YMMV
GENE
------------------------------
>Hi, does anybody know where I can download the 3.04 upgrade?
The 3.0.4 upgrade is more than a patch, and therefore to big to be
downloaded. Adobe is distributing it free on cdrom or $20 for the disk version ^
only^ to registered users. If you call Adobe customer service 800/833-6687, and
FAX them one of the pages from your PS3 manual, they'll register and upgrade
you.
cheers, shaf
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Subject: Progressive JPEGs
Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]>
Progressive JPEG is NOT the "Low/high resolution flip trick" as netscape calls
it:
<img src="highres.gif"lowsrc="lowres.jpg">
see:
http://home.netscape.com/comprod/products/navigator/version_2.0 /
progressive_jpeg/progressive_jpeg.html
>"PROGRESSIVE JPEG
>You will need Netscape Navigator 2.0 to properly view the above image. Check
back soon for more information about creating Progressive JPEGs.
I am using Netscape 1.12 on a mac (the most up to date a month ago) and as you
can see, it takes 2.0 to open a "Progressive JPEG". 2.0 is in
beta release and can be had at:
http://home.netscape.com/
>"PROGRESSIVE JPEG
>The new Progressive JPEG fileformat loads images up to three times more quickly
than the GIFformat and provides faster intermediate image recognition,so users
on slow connections can view color-rich images quickly."
Marius Johnston
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Subject: Re: Progressive JPEG images
Message-ID: <v02120d00aca3a71f7a2f@[131.218.204.98]>
** Sometime around 23:56 10/12/1995, java said:
::snip::
> Progressive JPEG images are like gifs that slowly "block in to view" there
::snip::
>if anyone has ANY info on how to save in this format, could you please post it?
How about some non-info? :-) Someone here had recently suggested that the format
is just the "standard" JPEG--the difference lies in how the file
is interpreted and reconstructed at the other end.
Theoretically, this should work, since the JPEG format is based on a frequency-
space decomposition of the image--which is the most popular way of creating a
"progressive" image. However, as I understand it, the way the DCT coefficients
are stored, the image can only be reconstructed once all of the data has been
extracted from the file. (I've never written anything to create or read JPEGs,
so I'm not sure on this one.)
So, either they are doing something mathematically interesting (e.g., estimating
the downstream coefficients) to the "standard" JPEG image file, or they have
developed a custom JPEG format (one that allows the lower-subband coefficients
to be extracted first), or perhaps such a format has already been developed by
the JPEG (which is a group, as well as a format).
My guess is that the progressive JPEG is a different format, and the JPEGs
you've created in PS aren't going to load progressively. Speaking of which, has
anyone gotten his hands on a copy of Netscape 2.0 and tried it on a PS-generated
JPEG? (I've heard some pretty nasty things about 2.0--in Netscape's defense,
it's still a beta--so I'm planning to stick with 1.1N for a while.)
- Vince S.
------------------------------
Subject: Re: PS and cross-platform -Reply
Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]>
>I've had the same problem. I have had complaints that my buttons are >"too dark
to read."
Yep, likewise. I do a lot of interface work that ends up on pc's and the best
method i have found is to use the "Gamma" control panel to darken my screen so
the same image on both mac and pc looks the same. I then save that gamma value
and whenever i do some work for the pc i turn on "Gamma"
and it darkens the screen to match what it would look like on the pc. This
usually means i then have to lighten everything on the mac side to account for
the darkening on the pc side.
Works flawlessly. The photoshop manual goes into detail about how to calibrate
the monitor to the output device, it's in the last couple of chapters.
I use the gamma control panel to calibrate all my output, from cmyk to
slide. You only ever have to do it once.
RTM :)
Jeremy Mears
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End of PHOTSHOP Digest 703
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In message <[log in to unmask]> writes:
> I have subscribed to the Photoshop Listserve group. I am editing the items
> that
> come in to some extent and then passing them on to others in the office. I
> was
> wondering how people would feel if I were to post thes Digests to the SciArt
> group? Alternatively I could put you on my private mailing list, if the
> group
> finds the length of these posts objectionable or the content irrelevant.
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> Feedback please!
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In my experience Photoshop can be an exciting but unending dialog. Since Polly
has to monitor all the stuff and some of us don't have Photoshop, I would not
want to be wading thorugh this stuff that can easily be gotten from the
Photoshop listserv. Just my thoughts. Take care all! Kris
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Subject: Re: Line art
>Hi Frank....I missed the first threads... but I was not pleased with the
>results I got with Streamline... I was trying to do a data line
>trace (lots of peaks and valleys...science research data) and it was
>dreadful...I chose 'centerline' but it still went all over the place..
>i had to delete a zillion useless anchor points.. It may work well
>for purely graphics effects..but it did not prove to be an effective
>tool for tracing a single line scan.....
Hi Janyie,
I've been offline this week, so I haven't been able to reply sooner. It
seems to be the concensis that Streamline is not good for what I have
invisioned it for. I too have gotten a fax from the Tracer people. And I
agree with Britt that while it shows promise, there is no way to decipher a
fax image for real quality (of a $500 program).While they do not supply
demo versions of the program, they claim that they will refund the purchase
price up to 30 days if disstisfied. I still haven't decided if I will bite.
Frank
Frank Ippolito [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History
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Subject: Re: imaging help
>How about little globes of colored TV static that are transparent or fading in
>and out of existance?
Sort of what I see after staring at this screen too long <G>.
Frank Ippolito [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History
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Subject: ftp sites or WWW pages for scientific illustrators
I'm working on an article for a publication called _Science and Engineering
Network News_. Basically, we surf the net and report back to our readers on
what resources are available for scientists and engineers.
All of us are working scientists who do this as a sideline in our areas of
interest.
I wanted to do an article for the Jan issue on "Resources for Scientific
Illustration". Sciart-L will figure prominently in this. However, I'm
having difficulty locating ftp, gopher and/or WWW sites with resources for
your area. If anyone has any suggestions, or a 'favorite' site to share,
please e-mail me privately at either of the following addresses:
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or post here and I will continue monitoring.
Thanks (in advance) for any help you can give me.
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>
>I've been offline this week, so I haven't been able to reply sooner. It
>seems to be the concensis that Streamline is not good for what I have
>invisioned it for. I too have gotten a fax from the Tracer people. And I
>agree with Britt that while it shows promise, there is no way to decipher a
>fax image for real quality (of a $500 program).While they do not supply
>demo versions of the program, they claim that they will refund the purchase
>price up to 30 days if disstisfied. I still haven't decided if I will bite.
>
Hi Frank...
Just the thought of deciphering faxed images gives me the shudders :^)
But if you are being sent batches of that stuff on a regular basis, it
might be worth the $500 bucks.....the savings in sheer stress alone would
be worth the expense!!
CHeers....Jaynie
Jaynie Martz
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Its me again! Here is an updated version of the SciArt-L subscribers!For
all who wanted to know!Cheers, Polly
Here is the current list of subscribers:
[log in to unmask] Pauline Denham
[log in to unmask] Elaine Hodges
[log in to unmask] Doug Yanega
[log in to unmask] Lana Johnson
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Pauline Denham
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Subject: OK!hello out there?Can anybody hear me?
I didn't recieve two messages that I sent out as approved. Did YOU recieve them?
One was a message on the wacom tablet by George Venable? the other should
have been recieved today also. I can't remember what is was about. If you
posted a message to the list and haven't seen it, PLEASE let me
know!OK?Thanks!Polly
Having a BIT of technical difficulty due to the pop server being down!SORRY!
Pauline Denham
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>I didn't recieve two messages that I sent out as approved. Did YOU recieve
>them?
>One was a message on the wacom tablet by George Venable? the other should
>have been recieved today also. I can't remember what is was about. If you
>posted a message to the list and haven't seen it, PLEASE let me
>know!OK?Thanks!Polly
>
>Having a BIT of technical difficulty due to the pop server being down!SORRY!
>
Hi Pauline......
Never fear...your messages made it out. also the Mial dir!
thanks for holding down the fort!
Jaynie
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In message <v0153050cacb54a5d6218@[129.93.14.33]> writes:
> I didn't recieve two messages that I sent out as approved. Did YOU recieve
> them?
> One was a message on the wacom tablet by George Venable? the other should
> have been recieved today also. I can't remember what is was about. If you
> posted a message to the list and haven't seen it, PLEASE let me
> know!OK?Thanks!Polly
>
> Having a BIT of technical difficulty due to the pop server being down!SORRY!
>
> Pauline Denham
> Museum Artist
> University of Nebraska State Museum
> [log in to unmask]
>
> Hi Polly...I didn't get it...Kris
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Subject: Goood mooorning!
Hello All SciArt-L'ers,
Sorry for the technical difficulties!
IF YOU ARE NOT RECIEVING YOUR OWN POSTINGS-AND WOULD LIKE TO-please send a
self addressed stamped envelope tooo-JUST KIDDING!!-
you need to send an email message to [log in to unmask] with the message
set SciArt-L mail ack
What this does is tell the listserv software that you would like to see
your own postings...otherwise you probably aren't recieving them back as a
post!
UPDATE: some recieved the messages some didn't-
*IF you are online through a company like AMerica Online or Compuserv, what
happens is that when you turn off your computer and I send a posting out-
it can't get to you because the connection is cut off. The listserv here
sends it to you for three days (at least it tries to-so they tell me-DOn't
ask me who "they" is!heee) Sooo, if your machine is off and the connection
with the listserv is off, then you might recieve your messages a bit late!
It keeps trying to send the messages to you at certain intervals, then
bounces it back to me in three days.
*IF you are at a University or you are directly hooked up through a big
server, which I'm sure SI is, your listserv email is stored in their
computer and you access it through there. Sooo, you probably won't have
that problem until the server goes down or they shut it down to work on it.
I WILL recieve the messages back in about 4 days time that the messages
were not able to be sent. BUT, I won;t know for three or four days!!
*If there is a warp in the force, Murphy's Law strikes again, or the server
is having a bad hair day- I guess that would be a fuzzy monitor day, then I
think you are out of luck! BUT, you can email me and I can try to fix it or
at least ask some email guru here about the problem. And please feel free
to ask!
I HOPE this clears a few things up- clear as mud huh?Well, I'm looking into
it and will try to keep this to a dull roar, OK?You can email me personally
at [log in to unmask]
THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE!!!Polly
Pauline Denham
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University of Nebraska State Museum
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Subject: Re: OK!hello out there?Can anybody hear me?
Sorry Polly, but I have not seen any message from George Venable. I would not
expect to see any of my own messages, as I do not have that feature enabled on
you system. I think you have to specifically ask the list serve to send you
your own messages back.
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I didn't recieve two messages that I sent out as approved. Did YOU recieve them?
One was a message on the wacom tablet by George Venable? the other should
have been recieved today also. I can't remember what is was about. If you
posted a message to the list and haven't seen it, PLEASE let me
know!OK?Thanks!Polly
Having a BIT of technical difficulty due to the pop server being down!SORRY!
Pauline Denham
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Subject: OK!hello out there?Can anybody hear me?
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Subject: WWW Sites
Hey Jim,
I've looked on the web myself and I found a few sci art sites. I think the
Frank and Britt are in the process of starting a GNSI site, but I'm not
sure. I'm sure they could give you some more info on that. After the
article is done...why don't you post in on the list!I'm sure everyone would
enjoy it!!
Sites I have found that are interesting and useful:
Bloch Medical Illustration http://www.sgi.net/jbloch/bmi/art.html
BIOART http://frost2.flemingc.on.ca/pbell/bioart.html
ENTOMOLOGY http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/WWWVL-Entomol
SMITHSONIAN Home page-http://nmnhwww.si.edu/nmnhweb.html
(I think George Venable did alot of the stuff for the SI Castle-great stuff!!)
USGS Mapping Information: Products, Info
http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/html/1product.html-this has downloadable DLG
(Digital Line Graphs) files of topographics and geologic maps!FREE-if you
have the right applications. I do a lot of work for geologists, so they use
them a lot!!!
ADOBE ILLUSTRATOR http://www.adobe.com/Apps/Illustrator.html
University of Texas Mac archive of FREEWARE-downloadable free stuff!!
http://wwwhost.ots.utexas.edu/mac/mai
AND OF COURSE MY FAVORITE
JIMMY BUFFETT HOME PAGE-http://ameritech.ils.nwu.edu/buffett
HAPPY WEBBING!Polly
Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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I did not receive George Venable's message either, so the Smithsonian
is not free from communication problems.
Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History
Smithsonian Institution
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Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894
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Correction: I did receive George's message, but not via Internet
directly, but rather thru our Smithsonian-wide e-mail service, called
Office Vision. Can't figure that out. It came thru sciart. Seems
like a few messages come thru that way.
Elaine
Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
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OK, count me in, too. I did not receive George Venable's message either.
The intrigue is building... what was it???
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Subject: ELaine!!
Hey Elaine,
Since you seem to be the only one who got George's email. Would you mind
copying it and pasting onto a post from you and send it my way (via
sciart-L post) so EVERYONE can read it. We'll try this one again!Sorry
George!
Too bad I don't have Office Vision...well... maybe I do and that's the
problem!hee hee hee!!Thanks in advance!Have a good weekend all and thanks
for the nice encouragements!!Polly
Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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Feedback some of Pauline's URL's :-)
Pauline Denham wrote:
>Sites I have found that are interesting and useful:
>Bloch Medical Illustration http://www.sgi.net/jbloch/bmi/art.html
Violates WWW commonsense by not providing *any* text for people who don't
automatically load graphics. When you load the graphics they don't lead
anywhere. I give this a D-
>BIOART http://frost2.flemingc.on.ca/pbell/bioart.html
This file does not exist. Gone or transcribing error.
>ENTOMOLOGY http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/WWWVL-Entomol
This also doesn't exist. Try instead:
http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/WWWVL-Entomology.html
It's not my field but there's lots of interesting looking links, like this
one to old insect teaching drawings:
http://www.life.uiuc.edu/Entomology/insectgifs.html
>AND OF COURSE MY FAVORITE
>JIMMY BUFFETT HOME PAGE-http://ameritech.ils.nwu.edu/buffett
Never heard of him! And am happy to remain ignorant. To each his own.
In an earlier post Pauline wrote:
>*IF you are online through a company like AMerica Online or Compuserv,
>what happens is that when you turn off your computer and I send a posting
>out- it can't get to you because the connection is cut off.
Well yes, but it doesn't bounce as you imply next. It just sits on Aols' or
whoever's computer site just the same as it does anywhere else.
>The listserv here sends it to you for three days (at least it tries to-so
>they tell me-DOn't ask me who "they" is!heee) Sooo, if your machine is off
>and the connection with the listserv is off, then you might recieve your
>messages a bit late!
Mail is always stored until accessed. Think about it. Of course there are
circumstances when mail will bounce back to sender but thankfully having your
PC off the phone line is not one of them. :-)
FWIW,
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Subject: Re: OK!hello out there?Can anybody hear me?
> OK, count me in, too. I did not receive George Venable's message either.
>The intrigue is building... what was it???
Me three <g>.
Frank Ippolito [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History
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Subject: WWW Sites
Dear Jim,
I'm sorry if a few of the sites that I listed have been changed since I
added them as bookmarks. I thought you could use those to get started. Good
luck!Polly
Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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