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Geoff

ground definately impresses me as a preparatory layer of substance 
applied to the support , wether etching grounds, gesso or even tinted 
underpainting.

support  medium  I like...  seems like each word words out the issue 
of the other....    woke up this morning, and "foundation" occurred 
to me, but that sounds like make up...

sigh


Stephen



At 02:53 AM 10/6/2011, you wrote:
>On further thought about media meaning both the mark-making 
>substance and the substrate, we did a bit of web research and found 
>the term "support medium" used in some articles.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panel_painting
>"Ground" would not be a good term in printmaking because in etching 
>it refers to the coating "soft ground" or "hard ground' used to coat 
>the plate and protect it against the acid, except where marks are 
>made with the etching needle. I know it's a different branch of 
>printmaking but it adds further potential confusion.
>Geoff
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- 
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephen DiCerbo
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>Subject: Re: [SCIART] I am looking for a word.. Doh!
>
>thanks all,,
>
>
>context does seem to matter....     the sentence I am struggling with
>roughly says  "he used fabric instead of paper as a XXXXXX  in this
>printmaking method."
>
>Ground may have been the term that was flittering around the back of
>my head, but I would relate that to something like gesso is to
>canvas. The medium here  would be ink and words like panel or support
>seem too specific and board-like, Surface seems too general (I am
>describing a technique)
>
>I guess  my tendency is to go with substrate  as of now, but it does
>seem a bit geological  :^)
>
>
>If anything  comes to mind  give a shout...  my grammer proof reader
>is a tough one...
>
>Stephen
>
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>At 09:47 AM 10/5/2011, you wrote:
> >Interesting.   I have never been able to come up with a satisfactory word
> >that covers everything and usually call it the surface, or simply refer to
> >whatever is being used...board (or hardboard) canvas, paper.  I find a lot
> >of the public use the term "canvas" generically, even with regard paper used
> >for watercolour.  Panel is also used a lot, for any hard surface, it seems.
> >
> >Barry
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-
> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kathleen Garness
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:19 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [SCIART] I am looking for a word.. Doh!
> >
> >'ground' may also be used when you're talking about a specific
> >surface, such as gesso, that is applied to the bottom layer, or
> >'support'. (Usually the word 'support' is used for something hard like
> >a panel, though.)
> >
> >That's my recollection from my classes in medieval painting anyway.
> >
> >K
> >
> >
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