Lynn,

Just a little to add to this as I have been reading most of this thread.  I
have read the comments with interest and have found enlightenment through
the many varied opinions, I, like you, see the positive side to this, a
start in a direction that has possibilities of becoming much more!

Marie


On 8/11/08 10:17 PM, "Lynn Usack" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Thank you Gretchen, I appreciate your clarification.
> I can see that sentiments are strong, as the profession needs and
> deserves more respect and recognition. I'll restate that I am grateful
> for the publicity, especially because it includes the link to the GNSI
> site, where people can learn much more. It is an opportunity, even if it
> does not satisfy everyone's ideas on what Nature should have covered. I
> didn't expect the additional conversation but I can see their points
> too. I just prefer at this point to see the positive side of this. As
> for Mieke's comments, yes, I agree, you have more work to do. I'll leave
> it there, let's move on.
> Thanks,
> Lynn 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gretchen halpert <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity
> To: [log in to unmask]
> 
>> Hi all,Well, I really didn't mean to start a discussion with the
>> notice, but
>> I'm not surprised. What happened was that the journal/writer saw
>> our website
>> on the conference and wanted to write an article about it. It was an
>> overview highlighting what the journal found interesting, extracted
>> from a
>> lot of information I and others gave them. I would have loved to have
>> written the article myself, with more specifics about the field,
>> but it
>> wouldn't have been published. They included the GNSI website, so
>> hopefullythose interested will look us up and find out about
>> scientific illustration
>> in more depth.
>> I'm happy Nature took an interest and who knows....perhaps it will
>> lead some
>> scientists to the GNSI website and to Science-Art.com and someone
>> will get
>> some work.....
>> Best,
>> Gretchen
>> 
>> Gretchen Halpert
>> illustrator, educator
>> gretchen.halpert(at)gmail.com
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mieke Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should be
>> grateful> that
>>> we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and it is
>> getting> more and more important to be able to visualize scientific
>> fact and data.
>>> 
>>> I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact
>> that the
>>> profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a
>> serious magazine
>>> or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it means
>> that we
>>> still have some work to do, pr wise.
>>> 
>>> Mieke
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lynn Usack
>>> Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity
>>> 
>>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never
>> happened before
>>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I
>> understand> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in
>> such a prestigious
>>> journal.
>>> Lynn
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joan Lee
>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity
>>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic
>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>> sciences,> > I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned
>> focus on the
>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual
>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures...
>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our
>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>> author> > then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>> guesses, and
>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>> once> > looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>> mentions actual
>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>> restorations)> > is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's
>> Dinotopia talk. this
>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>> science> > illustration. all this in a one page article leaves
>> little room to
>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>> typically> > focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this
>> would have been
>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>> Nature or
>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.
>>>> 
>>>>  -frank
>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>> didn't even
>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>> just> >> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you
>> didn't> >> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs
>> $32.00 and it was
>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the
>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:
>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report
>> of the
>>>>>> conference under July
>>>>>> 24th: http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-
>> natural-
>>>>>> science-illustrators.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your
>> best> >>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless
>> you have a
>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>> conference> >>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the
>>>>>> 
>> registration.http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/>
>>>>> 454278a.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.
>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!
>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen
>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the
>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Frank Ippolito
>>>>  Principal Scientific Assistant
>>>>  Div. Vertebrate Paleontology
>>>>  American Museum of Natural History
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>>> 
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