I don't have experience with Illustrator per se, but this is what I'd do
in Freehand - maybe there's something analogous in Illustrator:
Bring the scanned image into Freehand, draw the circle over the area of
the image you want to place inside the circle, copy the image, select the
circle and choose "Paste Inside", delete the remaining copy of the image,
choose the circle and edit the line by either choosing a line weight of 0
or dashed, etc. Does this address what you are getting at?
-Catherine
On Sat, 30 Nov 1996, John Megahan wrote:
> I have a question about drawing circles onto scanned images in Illustrator
> or Photoshop or whatever works best. I'm doing a series of about 100 pen
> and ink drawings that all need the same circular border placed around them.
> All of the circles have to be of the same diameter and stroke width. I
> could do this by hand but all of the drawings are of slightly different
> sizes and when they undergo resizing for the final publication the stroke
> width will change accordingly. So, I thought I could scan them into
> photoshop, convert them with streamline resize them and place circles
> around them. This is all fairly easy.
>
> The problem is that the editor wants the drawings to blend into the
> circular borders (ie where the drawing meets the border the border will
> become a broken line and in essence the drawing itself will become the
> border.) So what I need to do is to take the illustrator file back into
> photoshop and edit the border line. Is this possible? Any Ideas?
>
> Thanks, and I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving!
>
>
> John Megahan
> University of Michigan
> Museum of Zoology
> Ann Arbor, MI
>
>
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>I don't have experience with Illustrator per se, but this is what I'd do
>in Freehand - maybe there's something analogous in Illustrator:
>
>Bring the scanned image into Freehand, draw the circle over the area of
>the image you want to place inside the circle, copy the image, select the
>circle and choose "Paste Inside", delete the remaining copy of the image,
>choose the circle and edit the line by either choosing a line weight of 0
>or dashed, etc. Does this address what you are getting at?
>
>-Catherine
>
Catherine
Thanks for your comments. It's close to what I'm getting at and I may have
to do something similar in illustrator (I don't have freehand right now).
The problem comes in editing the circle. The drawings are very detailed and
where the circle meets the drawing I may have to cut out 100 to 200 small
sections of the circle to integrate (join?) it seemlessly with the drawing.
It would be much easier to do this in photoshop if possible. Basically I
need to know if there is an effective way to import an illustrator file
into photoshop.
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>Basically I
need to know if there is an effective way to import an illustrator file
into photoshop.<
Yes, you can simply open the Illustrator file in Photoshop. A menu will
appear that asks you about the resolution and the type of file (cymk,
grayscale, rgb). The illustrator file will be rasterized in photoshop and
become a pixel file rather than a vector file. If you want to draw circles
in photoshop using vector paths similar to ones in Illlustrator, try using
the paths palette. Good luck! Amelia in Madison, WI
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Subject: Darwinian M&M Duels
Whenever I get a package of plain M&Ms, I make it my duty to continue
the strength and robustness of the candy as a species. Taking two candies
between my thumb and forefinger, I apply pressure, squeezing them together until
one of them cracks and splinters. That is the "loser," and I eat the inferior
one immediately. The winner gets to go another round.
I have found that, in general, the brown and red M&Ms are tougher, and
the newer blue ones are genetically inferior. I have hypothesized that
the blue M&Ms as a race cannot survive long in the intense theatre of
competition that is the modern candy and snack-food world.
Occasionally I will get a mutation, a candy that is misshapen, or
pointier, or flatter than the rest. Almost invariably this proves to be
a weakness, but on very rare occasions it gives the candy extra
strength. In this way, the species continues to adapt to its
environment.
When I reach the end of the pack, I am left with one M&M, the strongest
of the herd. Since it would make no sense to eat this one as well, I
pack it neatly in an envelope and send it to M&M Mars, A Division of
Mars, Inc., Hackettstown, NJ 17840-1503 U.S.A., along with a 3x5 card
reading, "Please use this M&M for breeding purposes."
This week they wrote back to thank me, and sent me a coupon for a free
1/2 pound bag of plain M&Ms. I consider this "grant money." I have set
aside the weekend for a grand tournament. From a field of hundreds, we
will discover the True Champion.
There can be only one.
Emil Huston
Royal Ontario Museum
Toronto, Ontario
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Now I'm worried. How many potential champions have I carelessly
consumed?
By the way are the nut filled M&M's another species entirely?
Angela Greco, Data Visualization Specialist
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>>Basically I
>need to know if there is an effective way to import an illustrator file
>into photoshop.<
>
>Yes, you can simply open the Illustrator file in Photoshop. A menu will
>appear that asks you about the resolution and the type of file (cymk,
>grayscale, rgb). The illustrator file will be rasterized in photoshop and
>become a pixel file rather than a vector file. If you want to draw circles
>in photoshop using vector paths similar to ones in Illlustrator, try using
>the paths palette. Good luck! Amelia in Madison, WI
You still have a small problem if you have integrated your pixel image into
the illustrator file. The pixel image will not reconvert into photoshop as
part of the combined image.
I would recommend you simply draw a circle in Illustrator, select it, copy
it, Then open you original bitmap file in photoshop, add a new layer (for
flexability), open the Paths palette, then use the paste command. You will
be given the option of placing the illustrator circle in the paths palette.
when the circle is positioned properly, make the path a selection, then
outline the selection (an option under the select menu), then fill with
black. If the cirlce lookes to jaggy, you will need to resample you
original pixel image to a higher resolution and try again.
Britt
An alternate way in illustrator 6.0.1 is to rasterize the circle then save
the whole file as a tiff Image and open in photoshop for editing.
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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I am thinking of upgrading my Photoshop, but I don't know if it's the
right time yet. Does anyone know of any bugs/fixes for this new
release. If any of you has experimented with the new Photoshop (4.0)
please post your pros, cons, or suggestions. :)
Cheers, Emil
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Many years ago, a strong breed of M&M roamed the supermarkets. This
creature expressed a powerful toxin in its protective coat, a toxin
which attacked the hereditary material of its predators, causing
cancer and death. This M&M's bright red coloration warned of its
lethal content, but its major predator -- human beings -- paid little
heed, and consumed the M&M's in vast quantities. When its toxic
properties became widely known, the species was, of course, completely
eradicated, and it is now extinct. Recently, however, a case of
perfect mimicry has been spotted in the supermarket -- an M&M with
the same coloration, but with a harmless (in fact, quite tasty)
coating. Daily reports seem to indicate that these new creatures
are becoming more common as we enter the month of December, and
are invariably found with a green species, which are postulated to
live in symbiotic relationship with the new red species. Research
is underway.
(now back to art)
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Subject: Re: Circles
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>I would recommend you simply draw a circle in Illustrator, select it, copy
>it, Then open you original bitmap file in photoshop, add a new layer (for
>flexability), open the Paths palette, then use the paste command. You will
>be given the option of placing the illustrator circle in the paths palette.
>when the circle is positioned properly, make the path a selection, then
>outline the selection (an option under the select menu), then fill with
>black. If the cirlce lookes to jaggy, you will need to resample you
>original pixel image to a higher resolution and try again.
>
>Britt
>
>
>An alternate way in illustrator 6.0.1 is to rasterize the circle then save
>the whole file as a tiff Image and open in photoshop for editing.
>
>Britt
Thanks Britt and Amelia! Your ideas look like they might work. One more
question for my slow mind. Does anyone know if it's possible to draw
perfect circles in photoshop using paths?
John Megahan
University of Michigan
Museum of Zoology
Ann Arbor, MI
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Subject: Re: Photoshop 4.0
> I am thinking of upgrading my Photoshop, but I don't know if it's the
> right time yet. Does anyone know of any bugs/fixes for this new
> release. If any of you has experimented with the new Photoshop (4.0)
> please post your pros, cons, or suggestions. :)
>
>
> Cheers, Emil
Emil,
I always prefer to wait at least 6 months after actual shipping begins on a
major upgrade. Adobe has a half year cycle for releases. Look for 4.0.1
before you buy anything. Sometimes these bug fix releases can be gotten
over the Web, but sometimes they are just to large or they addded a few
important "features" that were left out before, so they want more money.
Or they do offer a free upgrade for a specific period after release, but
you need to know to ask for it. Gennerally it is just a hassle that you
won't have to deal with if you wait a little while.
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>When I reach the end of the pack, I am left with one M&M, the strongest
>of the herd. Since it would make no sense to eat this one as well, I
>pack it neatly in an envelope and send it to M&M Mars, A Division of
>Mars, Inc., Hackettstown, NJ 17840-1503 U.S.A., along with a 3x5 card
>reading, "Please use this M&M for breeding purposes."
If this process were to continue for the next thousand years eventually we
would create a M&M that would be impervious to the human bite. When the M&M
reaches a point at which it starts cracking enamel selection pressure would
cause the M&M to approach an optimal hardness. Not so hard as to hurt yet
not too wimpy. However, our desire for the M&M could cause human teeth to
get stronger!
John Megahan
University of Michigan
Museum of Zoology
Ann Arbor, MI
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>Thanks Britt and Amelia! Your ideas look like they might work. One more
>question for my slow mind. Does anyone know if it's possible to draw
>perfect circles in photoshop using paths?
>
>
>John Megahan
>University of Michigan
>Museum of Zoology
>Ann Arbor, MI
That's a Big N*0 , as far as I know
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
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Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>Thanks Britt and Amelia! Your ideas look like they might work. One more
question for my slow mind. Does anyone know if it's possible to draw
perfect circles in photoshop using paths?<
John,
Go to your marqui selection tool in your tool box and double click. An
option menu will appear on your screen. You can select from a pull down menu
in the option box a ellipse selection that will turn your normally
rectangular marqui selection tool into an elliptical one. Go to your image
and click and drag the marqui tool with the shift key held down. This will
contrain the ellipse to a circle. If you need to resize it, use the scale
option in your effects menu under edit. You can fill it, stroke it, feather
or whatever you wish. Saving to another layer and saving as a selection will
help for editing purposes.
Have fun. Amelia
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>Does anyone know if it's possible to draw
perfect circles in photoshop using paths?
------------------------------------------
Perfect circles could be drawn this way:
1. Use the elliptical marquee tool and hold down
Sft+Alt+Ctrl at the same time to create a perfect circle of any size
2. Select the "Move" tool and holding the Alt key, drag your circular selection
anywhere you want to appear on the page
3. Activate your path palette, click on the upper right triangle, choose make
path, and in the following dialog box give a tolerance of 1.0 pixels.
You have now a perfect circle path which you can subsequently fill or stroke
with any of the painting tools (for crisp lines I would suggest using the pen
tool)
Enjoy :)
Emil Huston
Royal Ontario Museum
Toronto, Ontario
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>Emil,
I always prefer to wait at least 6 months after actual shipping begins on a
major upgrade. Adobe has a half year cycle for releases. Look for 4.0.1
before you buy anything. Sometimes these bug fix releases can be gotten
over the Web, but sometimes they are just to large or they addded a few
important "features" that were left out before, so they want more money.
Or they do offer a free upgrade for a specific period after release, but
you need to know to ask for it. Gennerally it is just a hassle that you
won't have to deal with if you wait a little while.
Britt
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks Britt, it is exactly what I had in mind, but I was worried that I might
be missing to much of the discount later on. You are right though, discounts are
not worth any of the bug related headaches. :)
Emil
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>Thanks Britt, it is exactly what I had in mind, but I was worried that I might
>be missing to much of the discount later on. You are right though,
>discounts are
>not worth any of the bug related headaches. :)
If you have enough hard disk space, you can always install it on another
drive and retain the older version as well. I did this with 2.5 and 3.0 for
a while. I expect to do the same with 4.0 and 3.0 until I hear the coast is
clear.
Frank
Frank Ippolito [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History
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Subject: Re: Darwinian M&M Duels
>Whenever I get a package of plain M&Ms, I make it my duty to continue
>the strength and robustness of the candy as a species.
Emil man! Do you know what you have done?!!
Just because they are the pretty colors of rainbow, do not think that they
exist nearly to please us. I know. I have seen. Just what do those little
letters M&M mean? I know. I know . . . the answer . . . but if I revealed
it to you I might put your life in danger. They are everywhere. And in the
hands of the innocents as well. But YOU should know better. You have become
an unwitting player in a cosmic game that can only have one ending. Alas I
thought that perhaps the hunger of the young might prove to be too
formidable for the little devils. But now I see that some adults have been
assisting in the breeding program, unaware.
You must have wondered about the identity of those men in black jumpsuits
that have been turning up more and more frequently when you go out. Pray
they are only curious. Try not to let them know you understand. And Emil,
if they offer you anything tasty . . . . DON'T ACCEPT!
Frank
Frank Ippolito [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History
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Emil--
Have you considered temperature as a factor? One must be scientific on the
list.
--Paul
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Subject: new web page
Please check out our new webpage at http://itg.unl.edu
We have lots of information on multimedia, the internet, and we have a
glossary of multimedia terms. Hope you like it!
Also.......there is another page which I(personally on my own time )worked on.
http://www.papagenos.com
CHeers!And....you guys are NUTS!!Crack me up!Keep 'em coming!Polly
Pauline Tandon
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402-472-4193
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Very entertaining, Emil! Have you or anyone else thought about doing
any selective, controlled experiments on the green ones? For some
reason my husband is always picking them out, just for me. :-)
Cindy
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>Please check out our new webpage at http://itg.unl.edu
>
>We have lots of information on multimedia, the internet, and we have a
>glossary of multimedia terms. Hope you like it!
>
>Also.......there is another page which I(personally on my own time )worked on.
>http://www.papagenos.com
>Pauline Tandon
Congratulations Polly,
Look like a very interesting place to work, and I like your little
business web sit too, very easy to understand.
I had one question, On the What's New page, I tried to View the Source
file but there was very little there. Where is the What's New Source file
constructed, and how is it referenced in the code for that page. The
Source code I could see seem to mainly make a reference to the need to have
a Browser that understands frames, mine does.
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Polly - Thanks for sharing the Papageno's site - your work is lovely,
and the catalog is great - just the inspiration I needed for some
unusual Xmas gifts! I'll be placing an order soon.
I always enjoy the web sites you suggest viewing.
Cindy
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Emil,
What a great laugh for the start of the day! Thanks.
Ilene
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Hope you all don't mind my sending this, but maybe it's for a good cause.
Erik Petersen
Tufts Univ.
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> > >> Dear Friends:
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> > >> know.
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> > >> 2. Sanda Petris, Zagreb, Croatia
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> > >> 5. Maja Vickovic, Zagreb, Croatia
> > >> 6. Ivan Markovic, Zagreb, Croatia
> > >> 7. Arne Breznjak,
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> > > 10. Koraljka Rade, Zagreb, Croatia
> > > 11. Kristina Durkic, Pozega, Croatia
> > 12. Rolf Brudvik Edvardsen, Bergen, Norway
> 13. Knut Vatnestroem, Trondheim, Norway
> 14. Christian Stephansen, Trondheim, Norway
> 15. Thomas Stephansen, Trondheim, Norway
> 16. Cecilie Langeland, Bergen, Norway
17. Niclas Biornstad, Bergen, Norway
18. Erik L. Petersen, Boston, MA, USA
> Til opplysning er Sto jedan (Radio 101) den eneste radiokanalen i Zagreb
> som ikke er under statlig kontroll (les:sensur) og dermed en av de faa
> mediakanalene som fortsatt aapner for frie meningsytringer og nyhetsstoff
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> Cecilie....
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Subject: CAS Internship
I noticed that the recent announcement regarding the
biological illustration internship at the California Academy
of Sciences has a date of April 15, 1996. Since I hadn't
heard anything about this position being offered again for
1997 I wondered if it was last year's announcement. (After
all, I work at CAS and you'd think I would have known about
the internship. I guess employees are always the last to
know. . . .)
Anyway, I checked, and the answer is this: the announcement
is a new one and the date was listed incorrectly (by someone
here at the Academy, by the way). The deadline for
applications is April 15, 1997.
And if you're wondering - the internship is for work in one
of the research departments in the building. The
planetarium where I work is not included in the list (it's
considered a public program department rather than a
research one).
Lynette Cook
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a message from my cartogaphers list serv_ Amelia in Madison
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>From: Harald Banzhaf <[log in to unmask]> (by way of
>>> [log in to unmask] (Michael Beiersdorf))
>>>
>>>ATTENTION !!
>>>
>>>There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you
>>>receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Irina", DO NOT
>>>read the
>>>message. DELETE it immediately. Someone is sending people mail and
>>>files under the title "Irina". If you receive this mail or file, do not
>>>download it. It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating
>>>anything on it. Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you
>>>care about....not only at this university!!!!!!
>>>
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>>>>There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you
>>>>receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Irina", DO NOT
>>>>read the
>>>>message.
Thanks for the heads_up, Amy. But if I could clarify one point, an E-mail
message cannot carry a virus in and of itself. If there is an attached
executable file, it can do so if you then execute the file. There are a is
breed of word-processing virus that can be embedded into MS Word documents,
but this is due to the nature of the built-in macros that can be woven into
the document. As far as I know, this kind of bug cannot be transmitted over
the net-and certainly would have no effect unless you are using Word to
read your mail. I expect that soon there will be Java bugs that can be
lethal, since they are in effect executable applets. But I have not heard
of any being distributed just yet. Of course there is no reason to open
such mail, since it is designed to sow unnecessary fear. There was an
similar hoax, called the Good Times Virus, which was reported around the
internet (still is in some circles) over the last couple of years. I
believe that the reason for such postings is to see just how far and wide
the mis-imformation can travel. And so I thought I'd post this
clarification for the benefit of yourself and the group.
BTW I believe this posting originated from a group of red M&Ms <g>.
Frank
Frank Ippolito [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History
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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Expression Demo
Hey folks,
Tuning your browser to "http://www.fractal.com/downloads/index.html" will
bring you to Fractal Design's demo download page. There you will be able to
aquire (among other things) either Expression Beta for Mac, or Expression
Demo for Windows 95/NT.
As you may recall, this program is a "natural media" vector drawing program
that was released ealier this fall. While many of the brush strokes are
interesting, I have been intrigued as to whether this program will have any
practical applications in scientific illustration.
What I found is: Yes and No.
Yes: Using the "bamboo leaf" brush stoke with the pen tool can give a
really nice tapered line that I have been longing for in Illustrator. It
could potentially remove any need to output the image for touch up. But
there seems to be much need for pre-planning to achieve these ends.
Experiment with line width here to get the desired effect. And don't be
fooled by crumy screen res, print out the results to see how smooth the
line really is. And BTW the "side ways I" gives a killer scale bar. The
line tool can be used for leaders and the text tool is passable.
No: I have not found a way to import a bitmapped image to use as a
template. And Any Illustrator files I imported that has a template seems to
lose it in the translation. And so although there seems to be great tools
for doing a finished weighted line drawing, there seems to be no way to
import your scanned sketches. Grrrr. But I have only skimmed the surface.
There is no online help, and with a beta version, no manual. We shall see.
Those interested should go find it quickly. The Mac version is a full beta
version that can save your results but will disable itself on December 24.
The Windows version is a crippled demo that cannot save any work, but will
live forever.
Cheers,
Frank Ippolito
Frank Ippolito [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History
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From: Joao Correia <[log in to unmask]>
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Cc: Multiple recipients of list <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Shops in London
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Dear fellow scientific-illustrators,
Due to a failure of my Internet service provider I was unable to view my
messages BEFORE going to London.
I returned yesterday and I would like to ackowledge and thank you all for
the addresses given.
I'm glad to say that I was able to find some of the places you have
recommended in the yellow pages. In case some of you have an opportunity
to go there and have not heard of them, here they are:
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L. Cornelissen and Son Artist's Colourmen
105 Great Russell Street, London WC1B 3RY
Tel: 01-636 1045
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The Wheatsheaf Art Shop
56 Baker Street, London W1M 1DJ
Tel: 0171-935 5284 Fax: 0171-935 3794
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The 'Stationary' department at the World-famous Harrods is not
professional but you can find some decent materials there too.
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Once again, thank you so much for your kind messages.
Leonor Correia
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Hey Polly:
Great site!
Angela Greco, Data Visualization Specialist
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| Also.......there is another page which I(personally on my own time )worked
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| http://www.papagenos.com
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What's New is about a plug in called Futurewave. VERY COOL stuff too! Its
an animator for the web. Very low memory
animations......http://www.futurewave.com SImilar to Shockwave, but MUCH
lower memory hog and MUCH easier to learn!
Our students are still working on that page...still under construction. We
have some really good journalism students that work for us and we've
allowed them there own web pages to create...that's one of them .Its about
What's New on the web....pages, technology, software, etc......That section
and the Spotlight will be changing every month.
Thanks for the kind words!!!You should check out Futurewave. The new
Netscape banner is done with FUturewave.
Polly
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There's have been some requests in the past for recommendations for
inexpensive printers to use with a MAC. The main drawdack has always been
a lack of postscript printing support. There has been a fair amount of
comment on the Illustrator listserv lately regarding this. There is a
sizable contingent that seems very impressed with the Epson stylus Pro
using a Birmy Software rip. A sample reply follows
Britt
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>Can anyone recommend an affordable, good quality, color inkjet? My
>StyleWriter 2400 just bit the dust and I'm in the market for a new
>printer. How does the StyleWriter 2500 stack up against its competition
>for quality of output and price?
I have been using the Epson Stylus Pro with Birmy PowerRip Post Script and
can say that without any hesitation it is the printer to get for the highest
quality output, period. At work, another department got an HP (something)
with a Postscript card built in (over $1100). While having a speedy output
the HP can't hold a candle to Epson in terms of image output quality or color
fidelity. A friend has the StyleWriter Pro (an older model) and uses
StyleScript Post Script which has good output but Epson is still much better.
The only thing with the Stylus is as you increase resolution and use higher
quality options you can wait a while for output, but using standard options
isn't bad.
One of the other responses on this list stated that using the Stylus Pro with
Birmy PowerRip Post Script resulted in slower print times. I have found this
not to be the case if you have enough ram to do the following; In the print
dialog box choose as the Destination, PowerRip rather than the default File.
This requires the PowerRip interpreter to be open when you send the file to
print. I have found printing this way prints faster than the Epson driver,
but does not offer as many options and controls as the Epson Driver.
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Subject: HELP!
Hey I lost the Michigan Sci Illustration program URL...anybody got it???
Thanks in advance!Polly
Pauline Tandon
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> One of the other responses on this list stated that using the Stylus Pro with
> Birmy PowerRip Post Script resulted in slower print times. I have found this
> not to be the case if you have enough ram to do the following; In the print
> dialog box choose as the Destination, PowerRip rather than the default File.
> This requires the PowerRip interpreter to be open when you send the file to
> print. I have found printing this way prints faster than the Epson driver,
> but does not offer as many options and controls as the Epson Driver.
>
> Britt Griswold
> Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
> Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
> Greenbelt, MD 20771
> USA
> [log in to unmask]
Britt - thanks for passing along the comments about the Stylus Pro. I
use this printer, and have found that it's taken some real finagling;
for me, choosing PowerRip as the destination rather than the default
File works, but it depends from where I'm trying to print. For
instance, when I'm trying to print from Netscape, I have to choose the
default File rather than PowerRip in order for it to print at all.
I've only had this printer for a few months, and it seems to do a
great job, especially at 720 dpi. I've had some trouble with color
calibration, though, probably due to my inexperience. For example,
when I scan a slide into Photoshop, the color shown on the moniter is
an exact match to the slide. I know the moniter is RBG and the printer
is CMYK, so I convert the screen image to CMYK, after having
calibrated the moniter as directed in Photoshop, and using the Ole' No
Moire picture for matching colors. The Ole' then prints nicely with
great color matching, but in the print of my slide, there is still way
too much magenta. So I fool around with it some more, usually printing
a few times until it's right.
Is there an easier way to do this? Do I need to do a separate
calibration with each image, or should one calibration session with
the computer work forever? A Pantone color support file came with the
Epson, but after talking Epson and Adobe and reading what I can, I'm
still not sure what to do with it. Do I need to get the Pantone color
chips? Any ideas? Any suggested references?
I use a 9500 clone with plenty of RAM, a Sony Multiscan 20seII
moniter, Nikon LS 1000 scanner, Photoshop 3.0 (still waiting to
upgrade!), Freehand 7.0, etc.
Thanks - Cindy
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Hey Joe...
What's your URL ? I can't find it?THANKS!!!!Polly
Pauline Tandon
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On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Polly Tandon wrote:
> Hey I lost the Michigan Sci Illustration program URL...anybody got it???
http://www.umich.edu/~medill
April
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Hi. I am in the process of deciding whether or not to buy a Mac LC 520
from a friend. She wants $1000 for the computer plus a laser printer some
software, and all the accessories. It has CD Rom and not very much RAM.
I've been told several times lately not to make this purchase because in a
couple of years, Macs will become obsolete and IBM will be the only thing
with programs available. Help! What should I do? Keep in mind that I am
a poor college student with no immediate plans for employment when I
graduate, so buying a new model computer won't be an option for quite
sometime. I'm borrowing the machine for the year while I decide, and I've
installed Photoshop LE, which I am told I can upgrade to 4.0 for about
$150 (is this true?) I also think my friend is getting anxious for a
decision. I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks, April
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THANK YOU!!!!Polly
Pauline Tandon
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Subject: Re: Macintosh???
>I've been told several times lately not to make this purchase because in a
>couple of years, Macs will become obsolete and IBM will be the only thing
>with programs available. Help! What should I do?
Hi April,
I think I may have been one of those PC cheerleaders from a while back . . .
BUT one should never base a computer purchase simply on the singular notion
of what is expected to transpire in a couple of years. Especially when
considering a low end system that will be quite out-gunned by that time. If
this system is giving you the much needed experience of learning Photshop,
then it is going to give you your money's worth . . .
BUT I also think that this system is a bit over priced. Don't compare this
selling price with what it originally cost, but instead look at how it
stacks up to machines that are being sold off the shelf today. I think a
system that is so low down the food chain really is worth quite a bit less.
You will have to install memory, maybe a more bobust harddive, and even
consider a bigger monitor if you are going to be doing serious visuals
work. On the PC end of things, I wouldn't want to be paying more than $600
to $700 for a used system as such. I am really not hip to what comparable
used Macs are being sold for, but I suspect that the prices are going to be
similarly low. Expect reverse-sticker shock from your friend, and if
necessary: tread cautiously <g>.
EPILOG (anyone remember The Fugitive?) There are a couple of exceptions
that would over-ride what I just wrote. If you expect to be investing in a
pile of expen$ive new software, as well as all of the goodies I just noted
above, AND you don't expect to be farming yourself out to (Mac based)
design houses, THEN all of those past converstaions still apply. That is,
if your investment is beinging to top the $2 grand mark, I would take a
hard look at those PC options and all those cross platform arguments.
However if you are simple getting your feet wet with a nice little system
that isn't going to set you back too much, pick up that Mac (after a little
haggling) and have fun. By the time you are ready to revisit this argument,
the hardware/software landscape will be very, very different (as hopefully
will be your employment status).
Good luck,
Frank Ippolito
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American Museum of Natural History
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Subject: Re: Epson Stylus Pro
>Britt - thanks for passing along the comments about the Stylus Pro. I
>use this printer, and have found that it's taken some real finagling;
>for me, choosing PowerRip as the destination rather than the default
>File works, but it depends from where I'm trying to print. For
>instance, when I'm trying to print from Netscape, I have to choose the
>default File rather than PowerRip in order for it to print at all.
>
>I've only had this printer for a few months, and it seems to do a
>great job, especially at 720 dpi. I've had some trouble with color
>calibration, though, probably due to my inexperience. For example,
>when I scan a slide into Photoshop, the color shown on the moniter is
>an exact match to the slide. I know the moniter is RBG and the printer
>is CMYK, so I convert the screen image to CMYK, after having
>calibrated the moniter as directed in Photoshop, and using the Ole' No
>Moire picture for matching colors. The Ole' then prints nicely with
>great color matching, but in the print of my slide, there is still way
>too much magenta. So I fool around with it some more, usually printing
>a few times until it's right.
>
>Is there an easier way to do this? Do I need to do a separate
>calibration with each image, or should one calibration session with
>the computer work forever? A Pantone color support file came with the
>Epson, but after talking Epson and Adobe and reading what I can, I'm
>still not sure what to do with it. Do I need to get the Pantone color
>chips? Any ideas? Any suggested references?
>
>I use a 9500 clone with plenty of RAM, a Sony Multiscan 20seII
>moniter, Nikon LS 1000 scanner, Photoshop 3.0 (still waiting to
>upgrade!), Freehand 7.0, etc.
>
>Thanks - Cindy
Cindy,
It is very hard to diagnose your problem. Unfortunately the eye can be
very forgiving of what you see on the screen for some color matches. That
is one possible explanation.
Alternately you have a color that predominates in your slide that is not so
noticable in the Ole' No Moire' image and thus you are still not calibrated
correctly. I assume you are using the Gamma utility to calibrate your
monitor. Monitors are usually to blue, and even when you eyeball them and
think they are good, they are still usually to blue.
You could get your monitor to look like your bad print, but then you
couldn't correct for anything but your stylus printer, not a good choice.
I would normally say the problem is with the Stylus Pro, as the other
elements in you set up sound really great, and you are not using any color
matching software like colorsync2.0 to do color shifting on the fly for
different ouput devices. But you seem to be getting a nice result from the
OLE NO MOIRE Image which is a standard of sorts. I woulds suggest that if
you are getting a consistant sift to the magenta, determine what it is and
always compensate before you send it to the Stylus Pro. I think Photoshop
will eventually allow you to designate printer color profiles, but that
doesen't help you now. A program like Pagemaker 6.0 will let you designate
the color profiles for target printers, if the printer or Pagemaker came
with a supplied colorsync2.0 profile. You could import the tiff image from
Photoshop and print from there to see if you get a different color balance.
You may want to leave your scan in RGB color and print through you
PowerRip, which should have a color dictionary for doing the convertion to
CMYK, it may do the proper color correction if you are lucky.
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Subject: Re: Macintosh???
>BUT one should never base a computer purchase simply on the singular notion
>of what is expected to transpire in a couple of years. Especially when
>considering a low end system that will be quite out-gunned by that time. If
>this system is giving you the much needed experience of learning Photshop,
>then it is going to give you your money's worth . . .
>
>BUT I also think that this system is a bit over priced. Don't compare this
>selling price with what it originally cost, but instead look at how it
>stacks up to machines that are being sold off the shelf today. I think a
>system that is so low down the food chain really is worth quite a bit less.
>You will have to install memory, maybe a more bobust harddive, and even
>consider a bigger monitor if you are going to be doing serious visuals
>work. On the PC end of things, I wouldn't want to be paying more than $600
>to $700 for a used system as such. I am really not hip to what comparable
>used Macs are being sold for, but I suspect that the prices are going to be
>similarly low. Expect reverse-sticker shock from your friend, and if
>necessary: tread cautiously <g>.
>
I tend to agree with Frank, But is he including the Laserwriter and
software in his estimation of a used PC price?
You can now buy a new Mac that is much more powerful. But you still can
not get a new system for much less than $2000 when all is said and done.
In fact Apple just brought its Performa prices down to the point where it
IS the Price preformance leader for a home system with out of the box
multimedia capabilities. So a $1000 is not to bad for getting a setup that
is running, tested, and can print. But it won't take you to far up the
power latter. Buy a little RAM, and external Hard Drive (or a Zip). The
Hard disk or Zip can go onto a better life when you have money and can buy
a new machine. The you can give the LC520 to a nerdy nephew to do Middle
School term papers on (thats what it will be worth soon). As far as
upgradeing to PhotoShop 4. I think your upgrade will be more like $175 and
you may slow to a grinding halt, Pocessing power is King with Photoshop.
So if you try big complex multilayer images it will hurt I think. When you
actually start make money on a regular basis using the equipment, You will
be well advised to move up fast to a new computer.
According to the WWW.UCE.com, THE UNITED INDEX OF USED MICROCOMPUTER PRICES
(Updated: Dec 03, 1996)
Model Notes Ram /HD High Low Close
CRet Chg GMRet RelSt Dep IRet DRet IntroDate DiscDate
Mac LC 475 w/keybrd 4,9,2 4 /160 440 360 400 -
- - 3.2 .63 1082 499 Oct-93 Disc
Mac LC 520 CD 4,2 4 /160 578 472.5 525 -
- - 2.0 .6 1299 899 Jun-93 Feb-94
A base Model with 4meg of RAM and a 160mg HD is worth about $525 I think
the monitor is built in, Right?
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Subject: Re: Macintosh???
Macs will become obsolete and IBM will be the only thing
>with programs available.
Old MAC may become obsolete, but there will be new ones to take their
place. The argument is worthless. Things are changing so fast, that by
the time you are ready to buy a heavier graphics computer, they will still
be $2000-$4000, but do ten times as much. If things go well, the MAC will
come out on top, if not the MAC will be around as long or longer than you
will want an LC 520, and you would probally be able to move to another
platfrom for the cost of software upgrades, since major software is all
cross platfrom these days.
The only threat to the Mac right now in the Graphics world is an aging
operating system (slows the processor work flow), and slow networking, and
Windows NT (Windows95 machines are not a force to fight, quality wise, they
have even more problems than MACs). If Apple's eye is on the ball, they
will solve these problems as they solved the move to PowerPC.
Britt
(Whistling in the Dark?) ;7)
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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From: [log in to unmask] (David)
Subject: Re: Macintosh???
Apple's Mac prices are becoming more and more irrelevant all the time.
Even if Apple does go under for the third time (and I'm not predicting
that) the Mac platform is here to stay. It is simply too intuitive and
usable, especially for graphics, to die. And now that the clones (See
Powercomputing) are getting cheaper, more powerful, and even out-performing
some of Apple's Macs, stickingto MacOS is making more and more sense.
I use a Mac all day, every day, and on the rare occasions that i have to
flip over to a machine running (ACK!) windows, I send a prayer of thanks to
those shortsighted, business-dumb egghead nice guys at Apple for giving us
that friendly little box that said "hello" in the eighties. Windows exists
only because the Mac caused industry-wide panic among Apple's competitors.
They've gotten good, but still haven't caught up yet in graphics.
'Course that's just my ranting maniacal opinion. I could be wrong.
Dave Huth
Staff Artist
York Daily Record
York PA
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Hello everyone-
Sorry Pauline for not getting the address back to you sooner. Our
semester is ending this week... life is hectic (a grading pile up to my
ears!) and I have not been reading "sciart" regularly. The URL from
April was correct: http://www.umich.edu/~medill
My undergraduates (sci ill students) have formed a club and will
hopefully have a page of their own out soon - I will let you all know as
soon as it is out.
Second, over our Christmas break I will be working on the Journal so for
all of you subscribers out there who presented at the meeting this
summer, please send me your manuscripts for review!
Joe Trumpey
6260 Occidental
Tecumseh, MI 49286
Third, I missed a lot of the discussion, but Frank had discussed
template quality in Illustrator or Painter and whether or not this is
relevant to the discussion at hand, I thought I would share one of the
best ways I have found for using a "template" in Illustrator.
I do not import a PICT for a template, but rather, I save my template
file as an EPS (in Photoshop) and "Place" it in an illustrator document.
I then "lock" the EPS and work on top of the EPS template and simply
delete the placed EPS file at the end. This gives you a lot more detail
than the greyed out PICT template.
Hope everyone has a great holiday!
Joe
Joseph E. Trumpey
Assistant Professor
University of Michigan
School of Art + Design
Prog in Med and Biol Ill
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Subject: New Web Site
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Hi Everyone!
Well, the USDA Systematic Entomology Laboratory is announcing it's newest web s
ite:
http://www.sel.barc.usda.gov/
For those of you who like insect info, this is for you...however, I must add t
hat we are still adding material to it so you know....comments and criticisms a
re always welcome!
Jennifer Fairman
Scientific Illustrator
NMNH, Smithsonian
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There is a hot new operating system, BeOS, that is generating
a lot of interest [http://www.be.com/]. It plans to be compatible
with Mac hardware and, perhaps more importantly, software.
So the jury on the Wintel/Mac case is still out. Graphic artists
may be jetting toward the next millenia on even faster boxes.
The point is, there's never a perfect time or system. For $1,000.
dollars if the system can service your needs for at least a couple
of years, it's a sound investment. I don't think the LC520 is ready
to become chip jewelry just yet. However, if you plan on running
high powered applications like Photoshop LE, you might be
contemplating whether you want to wait for your system to make
the effects or fall on your sword, whichever is the least painful.
So be a poor college student, with a great system that can run
many useful applications, just don't expect to be opening up
a side graphics business with it.
Don't think about what may be obsolete next, there is absolutely
no way to predict what new techologies may be emerging. At
some point, you just have to jump in.
Angela Greco, Data Visualization Specialist
[log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold) Wrote:
|
| Macs will become obsolete and IBM will be the only thing
| >with programs available.
|
| Old MAC may become obsolete, but there will be new ones to take their
| place. The argument is worthless. Things are changing so fast, that by
| the time you are ready to buy a heavier graphics computer, they will still
| be $2000-$4000, but do ten times as much. If things go well, the MAC will
| come out on top, if not the MAC will be around as long or longer than you
| will want an LC 520, and you would probally be able to move to another
| platfrom for the cost of software upgrades, since major software is all
| cross platfrom these days.
|
| The only threat to the Mac right now in the Graphics world is an aging
| operating system (slows the processor work flow), and slow networking, and
| Windows NT (Windows95 machines are not a force to fight, quality wise, they
| have even more problems than MACs). If Apple's eye is on the ball, they
| will solve these problems as they solved the move to PowerPC.
|
| Britt
|
| (Whistling in the Dark?) ;7)
|
| Britt Griswold
| Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
| Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
| Greenbelt, MD 20771
| USA
| [log in to unmask]
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|
|
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Hello to all,
I became a member of this mailing list last week and I wanted to let people
that I'm here. I've already noticed that this forum is a good place to learn of
other activities and sites throughout the country.
For more on "my life" you could access my WWW site at:
http://www.med.jhu.edu/medart/Dorn
The page was a weekend project during the blizzard of '96 while at Hopkins.
I'll be adding and adjusting it soon.
Just thought I'd say "hi",
John
--
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Medical Illustrator
Engineering Animation Inc.
(515)-296-0984 W
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>Please check out our new webpage at http://itg.unl.edu
>
Polly, the ITG page is soooooo cute!! So much info on it
yet it remains so 'clean'.....the raised boxes seem to help
there. Also, really charmed by the tiny 3D logos....especially
'the Group'...very clever, effective, interesting perspective
angle. I am just green with
good-natured envy at all the resourses you guys have out
there!! The Papagenos pages are certainly fast-loading...
cheers....Jaynie
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Subject: Old Job Post?
>Subject: Greetings from Kate Spencer
>
>Dear Britt,
Was a job announcement
>posted for an illustrator/designer at Cornell recently? Someone told me about
>the opening and I want to apply if I can get the info, and I probably can't
>get it from this person. I just signed onto the listserv today, so if the
>message went out recently, is there any way to get a copy?
>
Does anyone Have a copy of this Job Post? I think it was at least 2 month old.
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>http://www.sel.barc.usda.gov/
WOW Jennifer.....your graphics are just blowing me away!! Do I detect
KPT Spheriod and KPT Page Curl?? I use those a lot too......your logo
sphere is elegant....amazing that you could layer that much text without
looking cluttered!! The looping buggy show is fun!!
Well, that does it.......I am tired of being the last one on the planet without
her own web page....no time like the present is there!! You guys have
inspired me today!! cheers.........Jaynie
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Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
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Subject: Re: Old Job Post?
Britt,
Found one at Carnegie but not one at Cornell?Do you know WHO it was from?POlly
To:
From: Darren Pollock <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Carnegie Museum position
New Position: SCIENTIFIC PREPARATOR
Department: Carnegie Museum of Natural History, Section of Invert. Zoology
Primary Function: Preparation and illustration of scientific specimens of
invertebrates, primarily insects, and public interface in collection and
work stations on public display.
Equipment used: Laboratory equipment, including a variety of microscopes;
critical point drying apparatus; specialized preparation devices; computer
systems; standard office, photographic, art and illustration equipment.
Education/Experience: Bachelor's Degree (or equivalent degree or work
experience), skills in illustration and public interaction preferred.
Experience in biology, entomology or museums helpful but not required as
on-the-job training will be provided.
Employment training: Three months.
Supervised by: Curatorial staff.
Supervision Exercised: Some training of part-time, volunteer, and
work-study persons to assist with specimen preparation and labelling.
Work performed: Prepare, process, and label specimens (primarily insects)
for permanent storage in the research collection, e.g., sorting, transfer,
drying, pinning, pointing, spreading, dissecting, cataloguing; provide
scientific illustrations of invertebrate specimens for professional
publications and educational programming; coordinate public interface for
collection activities at work stations on public display; conserve specimens
using accepted practices of preservation, including such tasks as
remounting, respreading, repinning, and relabelling; maintain a fluid
storage system for bulk specimen samples with respect to taxonomic group and
preparation levels; sort bulk samples; participate in scientific field work,
education, and exhibits programs as assigned by curators; train temporary
staff to assist with above duties.
THIS IS A PERMANENT POSITION TO BEGIN IN FALL, 1996.
Entry level salary: $20,466 + benefits
37.5 hours/week; 8:30-5:00 pm, Monday to Friday
Applicants should send current resume, letter of application, and addresses
of two persons to contact for recommendations to the following address:
Dr. John E. Rawlins
Section of Invertebrate Zoology
Carnegie Museum of Natural History
4400 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
phone: 412-622-3259
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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Re: Macintosh???
>There is a hot new operating system, BeOS, that is generating
>a lot of interest [http://www.be.com/]. It plans to be compatible
>with Mac hardware and, perhaps more importantly, software.
There is a great write up in the January 97 Mac User Magazine about the
BeOS. It could be the foundation of the Next Generation of Macs (If Apple
is Smart). That's MacUser's opinion. It's Blindingly fast, but is lacks
the bells and wistles that the MacOS has developed over the years to make
the Mac a usable publishing/multimedia system. If you are interested the
whole write up, its online at: http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/0197.html#be
If you buy a Power Computing Mac Clone this year, you will get a copy of
the BeOS to play with if you want to eat up some disk space.
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Re: Macintosh???
>There is a great write up in the January 97 Mac User Magazine about the
>BeOS. <<
Hey Britt,
Did they clarify whether this O/S would be backward compatable with
current Mac software or not? I had heard reports that Mac was planning on
foregoing any sort of backward compatability in the name of progress. It
was this sort of backward compatability that bogged down Windows 95.
However NT does not wear the same ball and chain, and as such seems to be a
more serious move forward. I am currently running a "dual boot", where I
can choose upon bootup whether to run one operating system (3.1) or the
other (NT). This allows me to step backward when needed to accomodate a
pesky piece of hardware or software code. If Apple really wants to maintain
user loyalty, they should at least be considering implementing such an
option.
Frank
Frank Ippolito [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History
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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Re: Macintosh???
>>There is a great write up in the January 97 Mac User Magazine about the
>>BeOS. <<
>
>Hey Britt,
>
>Did they clarify whether this O/S would be backward compatible with
>current Mac software or not? I had heard reports that Mac was planning on
>foregoing any sort of backward compatibility in the name of progress. It
>was this sort of backward compatibility that bogged down Windows 95.
>However NT does not wear the same ball and chain, and as such seems to be a
>more serious move forward. I am currently running a "dual boot", where I
>can choose upon bootup whether to run one operating system (3.1) or the
>other (NT). This allows me to step backward when needed to accommodate a
>pesky piece of hardware or software code. If Apple really wants to maintain
>user loyalty, they should at least be considering implementing such an
>option.
>
>Frank
>
>Frank Ippolito [log in to unmask]
>American Museum of Natural History
_______
Frank,
If the speed of the BeOS Operating system is as fast as they say, there
should be plenty of horse power to implement an emulator, similar to what
they did when they switched to the PowerMac platform. Maybe it would run
like Java as a "Virtual Machine" within the new OS. So you would be able
to run older programs at the same time as New ones. And because of the
architechure, you probably would not have the machine slow down much on new
programs if you were running the emulator at the same time (my guess).
The future could be bright! (ware shades!)
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Subject: Fwd: (Fwd) (Fwd) FW: info no joke - Virus
Is this really true? Anyone else got this?
Paul
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Paul,
Our resident computer people gave this to us. Thought I'd pass it
along.
Mike
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From: "Denise Tapia" <KNME1/DENISET>
To: #Everyone
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:08:49 GMT+7
Subject: (Fwd) FW: info no joke - Virus
A destructive virus is spreading via internet eMail. Don't open
any eMail with subject line "Deeyenda". Delete it immediately.
For detail please see below.
**********VIRUS ALERT**********
VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION, PLEASE READ!
There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet.
If you receive an email message with the subject line
"Deeyenda", DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately!
Some miscreant is sending email under the title "Deeyenda"
nationwide, if you get anything like this DON'T DOWNLOAD
THE FILE! It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive,
obliterates anything on it. Please be careful and forward
this e-mail to anyone you care about.
Please read the message below.
----------- FCC WARNING!!!!! -----DEEYENDA PLAGUES INTERNET
The Internet community has again been plagued by another computer
virus. This message is being spread throughout the Internet,
including USENET posting, EMAIL, and other Internet activities.
The reason for all the attention is because of the nature of
this virus and the potential security risk it makes. Instead of
a destructive Trojan virus (like most viruses!), this virus
referred to as Deeyenda Maddick, performs a comprehensive search
on your computer, looking for valuable information, such as
email and login passwords, credit cards, personal inf., etc.
The Deeyenda virus also has the capability to stay memory resident
while running a host of applications and operation systems, such as
Windows 3.11 and Windows 95. What this means to Internet users is
that when a login and password are sent to the server, this virus
can copy this information and SEND IT OUT TO UNKNOWN ADDRESS
(varies).
The reason for this warning is because the Deeyenda virus is
virtually undetectable. Once attacked your computer will be
unsecure. Although it can attack any O/S this virus is most
likely to attack those users viewing Java enhanced Web Pages
(Netscape 2.0+ and Microsoft Internet Explorer 3.0+ which
are running under Windows 95). Researchers at Princeton
University have found this virus on a number of World Wide
Web pagesand fear its spread.
Please pass this on, for we must alert the general public at the
security risks.
Thanks.
DeniseT
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Paul: This is from the Computer Myths Home page on the
WEB, and explains the "Deeyenda virus" hoax. Frank also posted a note
here yesterday about computer viruses, and I can summarize what he
said in a single line:
An E-mail message cannot carry a virus in and of itself, only if there
is an attached executable (extension .exe) file, it can do so, but
only if you execute the file.
Cheers,
--Emil
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source: Computer Virus Myths home page
[NedStats]
HOAX: "the Deeyenda virus"
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A new hoax apparently surfaced in November 1996, warning users not to
read email if it contains the word "Deeyenda" in the subject line.
This new hoax uses many tactics found in other hoaxes, myths, and
urban legends. For example:
* like the Good Times urban legend, the Deeyenda hoax warns you to
delete messages if they contain a key phrase in the subject line;
* similar to the Java virus myth, the Deeyenda hoax claims
Java-enabled web browsers stand at great risk of getting
infected;
* like the MSN/Prodigy urban legends, the Deeyenda hoax claims it
will scan your hard disk for personal information;
* like the Good Times urban legend, the Deeyenda hoax claims the
FCC issued an alert to watch out for it;
* like the Mutation Engine myth, the Deeyenda hoax claims it is
"virtually undetectable."
Why call it a hoax? Why not "urban legend"?
Deeyenda warnings quote a message from a Steven K. Johnson at Carnegie
Mellon University, complete with his phone number & email address.
The phone number doesn't exist; the email address doesn't exist. And
Steven K. Johnson probably doesn't exist either. Providing a
[ficticious] name, phone number, and email address at the bottom of
the hoax merely gives it a feeling of legitimacy.
Two known versions of the hoax already
At least two versions of the Deeyenda hoax already exist. One version
(possibly the original) includes a "forwarding header" similar to the
Good Times urban legend, warning users not to read email if the word
"Deeyenda" appears in the subject line. A second version (possibly the
variant) makes no mention of the Good Times-like warning.
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From: [log in to unmask] (Clara R. Simpson)
Subject: walking beetles
Hello all:
I am pondering an idea and would like confirmation or denial. Like
everyone I seek to not spend time on things that don't work. My idea is
this:
Efforts to make my specimen drawings of insects have some shread of
movement will be frustrated unless I put in a shadow, which creates a
surface for them to walk on....they can't walk without a surface...?
I am not willing to do this because I want a white background not a
rectangular light gray picture space. Besides, the series was started
without them and I can't change in the middle.
I have been offsetting the antennae and legs a bit in hopes that lack of
total symmetry will help. But with this sort of drawing making it less
stylized takes more time, and who has time to throw away?
So if my efforts will not make much difference I won't spend a lot of time
on them.
Comments please.
Thanks!
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Subject: walking beetles oops
oops, I forgot to sign my query-
-Clara Simpson
Dept. of Zoology
Field Museum
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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Re: walking beetles
>Hello all:
>
>I am pondering an idea and would like confirmation or denial. Like
>everyone I seek to not spend time on things that don't work. My idea is
>this:
>
>Efforts to make my specimen drawings of insects have some shread of
>movement will be frustrated unless I put in a shadow, which creates a
>surface for them to walk on....they can't walk without a surface...?
>
>I am not willing to do this because I want a white background not a
>rectangular light gray picture space. Besides, the series was started
>without them and I can't change in the middle.
>
>I have been offsetting the antennae and legs a bit in hopes that lack of
>total symmetry will help. But with this sort of drawing making it less
>stylized takes more time, and who has time to throw away?
>
>So if my efforts will not make much difference I won't spend a lot of time
>on them.
>
>Comments please.
>
>Thanks!
You should probably look to George Venable s work for inspiration. He
routinely uses asymetric poses for his insects, with and without shadows.
If you produce a good strong rendering, the printer should be able to drop
out the paper tone and leave you with an insect and shadow sitting on white
paper. If you have no approval of what the printer does, or do not even
know the printer, you are taking your chances.
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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From: Jennifer Fairman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: walking beetles
In-Reply-To: note of 12/12/96 18:23
To: <[log in to unmask]>
NO! I absolutely agree that making a beetle's legs assymetrical in position
makes the drawing not only more natural looking, but I beleive it really brings
your preserved specimen back to life. I myself try to do this (if the beetles
legs can actually be postioned accurately) with flies, beetles, and true bugs.
.I am actually trying to figure out how to put a shadow (naturally fading one)
underneath a Dynastes beetle I am drawing. ( i hope it works cause I have been
spending countless blissful hours on it). I gives it something to walk on...an
d as George Vanable once told me, "it doesn't look like a dead animal skin anym
ore". I think that if you are trying to "recreate" an animal of any sort throu
gh illustration, then you definately should invest the extra effort it takes to
make it look as alive as possible, making it behave the way it should only on
paper...accurately, because then the beauty of the insect itself. Moving the le
gs around like that it and/or adding shadows I think works very well for beetle
s. (and I always love to see that an artist thought beyond what they saw throug
h the microscope, but perhaps what they observed from nature...watching a live
beetle if possible).
Hope all my commentary makes sense to you...I sometimes ramble!
Jennifer Fairman
Scientific Illustrator
NMNH, Smithsonian
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Subject: ecstatic yuletide
This was sent to me by some of my sciencey friends.
Carol Wickenhiser-Schaudt
>
>
>
>Ecstatic Yuletide
>
> 'Twas the nocturnal segment of the diurnal period preceding the
>annual Yuletide celebration and throughout our place of residence,
>kinetic activity was not in evidence among the possessors of this
>potential, including that species of diminutive rodent known as
>Mus musculus.
>
> Hosiery was meticulously suspended from the forward edge of the
>wood-burning caloric apparatus, pursuant to our anticipatory
>pleasure regarding an imminent visitation from an eccentric
>philanthropist among whose folkloric appellations is the honorific
>title of St. Nick.
>
> The prepubescent siblings, comfortably ensconced in their respective
>accommodations of repose, were experiencing subconscious visual
>hallucinations of variegated saccarinose fruit confections
>performing choreography through their cerebrums. My conjugal
>partner and I, attired in our nocturnal head-coverings, were about
>to take slumberous advantage of the Arctic-like gloom when upon
>the avenaceous exterior portion of the grounds there ascended such a
>cacophony of dissonance that I felt compelled to arise with alacrity
>from my place of repose for the purpose of ascertaining the precise
>source thereof.
>
> Hastening to the casement, I forthwith opened the barriers sealing
>this fenestration, noting thereupon that the lunar brilliance without,
>reflecting as it was upon the surface of a recent crystalline aqueous
>precipitation, might be said to rival that of the solar meridian
>itself--thus permitting my incredulous optical sensory organs to
>behold a miniature airborne runnered conveyance, drawn by an octet
>of diminutive specimens of the genus Rangifer, piloted by a miniscule,
>aged chauffeur so ebullient and nimble that it became instantly apparent
>to me that he was indeed our anticipated beatified caller.
>
> With this ungulate motive power traveling at a greater vertiginous
>velocity than patriotic alar predators, he vociferated loudly, expelled
>breath musically through contracted labia, and addressed each of the
>octet by his or her cognomen: "Now Dasher, now Dancer," et al, guiding
>them to the uppermost exterior level of our abode, through which structure
>I could readily distinguish the concatenations of each of the sum total
>of the thirty-two cloven pedal extremities.
>
> As I retracted my cranium from its erstwhile location and was performing
>a pi radians pivot, our distinguished visitant achieved, with utmost
>celerity, via a downward saltation, entry by way of the ceramic smoke
>passage. He was clad entirely in animal integuments, soiled by the ebony
>residue from partial oxidation of carboniferous fuels. His resemblance
>to a street vendor I attributed to the plethora of assorted playthings
>which he bore dorsally in a commodious cloth receptacle.
>
> His orbs were scintillant with reflected luminosity, while his sub
>maxillary dermal indentations gave every evidence of engaging amiability.
>The capillaries of his malar regions and nasal appurtenances were engorged
>with crimson circulatory fluid which, its chroma suffusing the dermal
>layers, approximated the retinal sensation reflected by the Prunus avium,
>or sweet cherry. His amusing sub- and supralabials resembled nothing
>so much as a flexible, curved strip of wood associated with the American
>aborigines and their ambient, hirsute, facial adornment had an absence
>of coloring comparable to crystalline frozen hydrogen oxide vapor.
>
> Clenched firmly between his incisors was the posterior projection of a
>calumet whose gray colloidal aerosol fumes, forming a tenuous elliptical
>torus about his occiput, were suggestive of a decorative seasonal circlet
>of holly. His visage was wider than it was high, and when he waxed mirthful,
>
>his corpulent abdominal region undulated in the manner of inpectinated
>fruit syrup in a colloidal gel state within a hemispherical container.
>He was of Napoleonic stature, neither more nor less than an obese, jocund,
>multigenarian gnome, the optical perception of whom rendered me visibly
>frolicsome despite every effort to refrain from being so affected by
>this risiblity. By rapidly lowering and then elevating one eyelid and
>rotating his head slightly eccentricly, he indicated that trepidation
>on my part was superfluous.
>
> Without utterance, but with noticeable dispatch, he commenced filling
>the aforementioned appended hosiery with various of the articles of
>merchandise extracted from his aforementioned previously dorsally
>transported cloth receptacle. Upon completion of this task, he
>executed an abrupt pi radian rotation about the vertical axis, placed
>a single manual digit in lateral juxtaposition to his olfactory organ,
>inclined his cranium forward in a gesture of leave taking, and effected
>his egress by saltation up the smoke passage through which he had made
>ingress.
>
> He then propelled himself in a short vector onto his rustic winter
>conveyance. Contracting his oral sphincter, he emitted a shrill series
>of notes to the antlered quadrupeds of burden and proceeded to soar
>aloft in a movement hitherto observed chiefly among the seed bearing
>portions of a common weed. But I overheard his parting exclamation,
>audible immediately prior to his vehiculation beyond the limits of
>visibility: "Ecstatic Yuletide to the planetary constituency, and
>to the selfsame assemblage, my sincerest wishes for a salubriously
>beneficial and gratifyingly pleasurable period between sunset and dawn."
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Visit the watercolors of Carol Wickenhiser-Schaudt.
Artistic passion with the trained eye of a scientist.
http://www.neosoft.com/~schaudt/cw/default.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:17:07 -0500
Does anyone have any experience with the 3D modeling and animation
programs. Which ones are worth looking into? The project we are working on
is to recreate the movements of various jumping and flying insects as a
comparative anatomy lesson. I know there are several 3D programs out there
but I don't have any experience with them. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.
Thanks Much
John Megahan
University of Michigan
Museum of Zoology
Ann Arbor MI
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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Re: 3D Modeling
>Does anyone have any experience with the 3D modeling and animation
>programs. Which ones are worth looking into? The project we are working on
>is to recreate the movements of various jumping and flying insects as a
>comparative anatomy lesson. I know there are several 3D programs out there
>but I don't have any experience with them. Any suggestions would be
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks Much
>
>John Megahan
>University of Michigan
>Museum of Zoology
>Ann Arbor MI
There are a Bunch of them for the MAC.
One of the cheaper ones is Ray Dream Studio. It has inverse kinetic
features, which you will need. This allows you to attach different objects
to each other, so when you move on object the other will follow, so you
don't have to pay attention to so many things. I do not know if it offers
any "streach" and "squish" abilities for objects, but it might.
Here is a list of other's you might consider
NewTek's $1,495 LightWave 3D for the Mac- This is new, a port from other
platforms, but a favorate of TV broadcaster's, designed for animation
action, inverse kinetics and metaballs used.
Strata Inc.'s $1,495 Studio Pro Blitz-Big in the CD animation market. multi
processor support.
Macromedia Inc.'s $699 Extreme 3D
Specular International Ltd.'s $899 Infini-D
Visual Information Development Inc.'s $1,995 Presenter Professional.
ElectricImage Animation System $2,995 Broadcast- Movie Quality Animation
If you are looking to start with more inexpensive programs, Apple QuickDraw
3D has broken open a whole new price/performance point. But these new
programs have not yet got the tool sophistication of the more established
programs.
I have unfortunately not had enough experience to recommend stuff.
Go to:
http://www5.zdnet.com/findit/
and type in the Headline search: Review
and type in the body text search: 3D
you can read all the reviews yourself.
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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From: [log in to unmask] (Jaynie Martz)
Subject: Re: 3D Modeling
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>Does anyone have any experience with the 3D modeling and animation
>programs. Which ones are worth looking into? The project we are working on
>is to recreate the movements of various jumping and flying insects as a
>comparative anatomy lesson. I know there are several 3D programs out there
>but I don't have any experience with them. Any suggestions would be
>appreciated.
hi John....You might want to check with David Hansen ([log in to unmask])
, director of 3D graphics dept. They use Silicon Graphics computing, but he may
have some shortcuts for you anyway. Very knowlegable guy. Former GNSI
member. I cannot offer anything substantive at the moment as I only
qualify as a '3D dabbler' .....working on a powermac with KPT Bryce and Ray
Dream Designer. 3D is a whole nother world than stills, but it hooked me
fast!!!
Sounds like you are going to need an app with serious modelling
flexibilities.....
Bryce is a powerful rendering machine but I am disappointed with its
modelling capabilities.... haven't worked with RDD enough yet to discern its
values. I go back and forth, 2D to 3D, trying to learn bits of everything,
usually a few
hours at a time.....Just got Fractal Painter 4 and Detailer!! Good luck..Jaynie
Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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Phone: 757-269-5022 FAX: 757-269-7352
Member of GNSI (Guild of Natural Science Illustrators)
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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Re: 3D Modeling
>Does anyone have any experience with the 3D modeling and animation
>programs.
Hi John,
Which platform are you working with?
On the PC, I work with TrueSpace 2($244) regularly. It has very strong
modeling tools, but average animation capabilities. If you are running Win
95 or NT, look into Martin Hash's Animation Pro ($299). It has a quirky
interface and is not a one_stop_shop for all 3D capablities. But it has
really strong modeling and "character" animation tools that can be applied
to your project, such as inverse kinetics, animatable booleans and
textures, and a reusable (and editable) action libraries. Raydream is
available for both platforms, and is a bargain at that proce. But reports
suggest that the learning curve is way steep.
On the Mac I use Strata Pro. And I am not a big fan of its interface. Maybe
I'm just spoiled with TrueSpace. Infinti sounds like a better choice for
the Mac in its price ($499) range. Also take a look at NewTek's Lightwave.
I don't know if they finally lost that klunky Amiga interface, but it is
one strong little program for NT and Mac.
Frank
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American Museum of Natural History
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From: Jennifer Fairman <[log in to unmask]>
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Hi everyone!
This is a memo for all you down there in Costa Rica at INBio:
Elaine Hodges and I wanted to know if you needed any supplies, eg.,
Coquille board?
Let us know!
Jennifer Fairman
Scientific Illustrator
NMNH, Smithsonian
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From: "Emil Huston" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Scientific inquiry into Santa Claus
As a result of an overwhelming lack of requests, and with research
help from that renown scientific journal SPY magazine (January, 1990)
- I am pleased to present the annual scientific inquiry into Santa
Claus.
No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of
living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are
insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer
which only Santa has ever seen.
There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT
since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and
Buddhist cihldren, that reduces the workload to to 15% of the total -
378 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average
(census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million
homes. One presumes there's at least one good child in each.
Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different
time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to
west (which seemes logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per
second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good
children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the
sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the
remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left,
get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the
next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly
distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false
but for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now
talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75-1/2 million
miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once
every 31 hours, plus feeding and etc.
This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second,
3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the
fastest man- made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at
a poky 27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops,
15 miles per hour.
The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming
that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized lego set (2
pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who
is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer
can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer"
(see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal anount, we cannot do
the job with eight, or even nine. We need
214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload - not even counting the
weight of the sleigh - to 353,430 tons. Again, for comparison - this
is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth.
353,000 tons travelling at 650 miles per second creates enourmous air
resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as
spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of
reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second.
Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously,
exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in
their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26
thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to
centrifugal forces 17,500.06
times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously
slim) would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of
force.
In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve,
he's dead TIRED by now.
Emil Huston
Royal Ontario Museum
Toronto, Ontario
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Subject: Have a Left-Brained ChristmasEcstatic Yuletide
Ecstatic Yuletide
>
> 'Twas the nocturnal segment of the diurnal period preceding the
>annual Yuletide celebration and throughout our place of residence,
>kinetic activity was not in evidence among the possessors of this
>potential, including that species of diminutive rodent known as
>Mus musculus.
>
> Hosiery was meticulously suspended from the forward edge of the
>wood-burning caloric apparatus, pursuant to our anticipatory
>pleasure regarding an imminent visitation from an eccentric
>philanthropist among whose folkloric appellations is the honorific
>title of St. Nick.
>
> The prepubescent siblings, comfortably ensconced in their respective
>accommodations of repose, were experiencing subconscious visual
>hallucinations of variegated saccarinose fruit confections
>performing choreography through their cerebrums. My conjugal
>partner and I, attired in our nocturnal head-coverings, were about
>to take slumberous advantage of the Arctic-like gloom when upon
>the avenaceous exterior portion of the grounds there ascended such a
>cacophony of dissonance that I felt compelled to arise with alacrity
>from my place of repose for the purpose of ascertaining the precise
>source thereof.
>
> Hastening to the casement, I forthwith opened the barriers sealing
>this fenestration, noting thereupon that the lunar brilliance without,
>reflecting as it was upon the surface of a recent crystalline aqueous
>precipitation, might be said to rival that of the solar meridian
>itself--thus permitting my incredulous optical sensory organs to
>behold a miniature airborne runnered conveyance, drawn by an octet
>of diminutive specimens of the genus Rangifer, piloted by a miniscule,
>aged chauffeur so ebullient and nimble that it became instantly apparent
>to me that he was indeed our anticipated beatified caller.
>
> With this ungulate motive power traveling at a greater vertiginous
>velocity than patriotic alar predators, he vociferated loudly, expelled
>breath musically through contracted labia, and addressed each of the
>octet by his or her cognomen: "Now Dasher, now Dancer," et al, guiding
>them to the uppermost exterior level of our abode, through which structure
>I could readily distinguish the concatenations of each of the sum total
>of the thirty-two cloven pedal extremities.
>
> As I retracted my cranium from its erstwhile location and was performing
>a pi radians pivot, our distinguished visitant achieved, with utmost
>celerity, via a downward saltation, entry by way of the ceramic smoke
>passage. He was clad entirely in animal integuments, soiled by the ebony
>residue from partial oxidation of carboniferous fuels. His resemblance
>to a street vendor I attributed to the plethora of assorted playthings
>which he bore dorsally in a commodious cloth receptacle.
>
> His orbs were scintillant with reflected luminosity, while his sub
>maxillary dermal indentations gave every evidence of engaging amiability.
>The capillaries of his malar regions and nasal appurtenances were engorged
>with crimson circulatory fluid which, its chroma suffusing the dermal
>layers, approximated the retinal sensation reflected by the Prunus avium,
>or sweet cherry. His amusing sub- and supralabials resembled nothing
>so much as a flexible, curved strip of wood associated with the American
>aborigines and their ambient, hirsute, facial adornment had an absence
>of coloring comparable to crystalline frozen hydrogen oxide vapor.
>
> Clenched firmly between his incisors was the posterior projection of a
>calumet whose gray colloidal aerosol fumes, forming a tenuous elliptical
>torus about his occiput, were suggestive of a decorative seasonal circlet
>of holly. His visage was wider than it was high, and when he waxed
mirthful,
>
>his corpulent abdominal region undulated in the manner of inpectinated
>fruit syrup in a colloidal gel state within a hemispherical container.
>He was of Napoleonic stature, neither more nor less than an obese, jocund,
>multigenarian gnome, the optical perception of whom rendered me visibly
>frolicsome despite every effort to refrain from being so affected by
>this risiblity. By rapidly lowering and then elevating one eyelid and
>rotating his head slightly eccentricly, he indicated that trepidation
>on my part was superfluous.
>
> Without utterance, but with noticeable dispatch, he commenced filling
>the aforementioned appended hosiery with various of the articles of
>merchandise extracted from his aforementioned previously dorsally
>transported cloth receptacle. Upon completion of this task, he
>executed an abrupt pi radian rotation about the vertical axis, placed
>a single manual digit in lateral juxtaposition to his olfactory organ,
>inclined his cranium forward in a gesture of leave taking, and effected
>his egress by saltation up the smoke passage through which he had made
>ingress.
>
> He then propelled himself in a short vector onto his rustic winter
>conveyance. Contracting his oral sphincter, he emitted a shrill series
>of notes to the antlered quadrupeds of burden and proceeded to soar
>aloft in a movement hitherto observed chiefly among the seed bearing
>portions of a common weed. But I overheard his parting exclamation,
>audible immediately prior to his vehiculation beyond the limits of
>visibility: "Ecstatic Yuletide to the planetary constituency, and
>to the selfsame assemblage, my sincerest wishes for a salubriously
>beneficial and gratifyingly pleasurable period between sunset and dawn."
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Subject: Fruit Cake
Interesting holiday fruit cake project came across the cyber waves to me
... I would also like to mention "Santa is magic" and exists in the hearts
and spirits of all.
With the holidays coming up soon, time for a fruit cake recipe.
>
> Here is my favorite recipe for fruit cake:
>
> You will need the following: a cup of water, a cup of sugar, four
> large eggs
>
> two cups of dried fruit, a teaspoon of baking soda, a teaspoon of
> salt, a
> cup of brown sugar, lemon juice, nuts and a bottle of whisky.
>
> Sample the whiskey to check for quality.
>
> Take a large bowl. Check the whiskey again. To be sure it is of the
> highest quality, pour one level cup and drink. Repeat. Turn on the
> electric mixer, beat one cup of butter in a large fluffy bowl. Add
> one
> teaspoon of sugar and beat again.
>
> Make sure the whiskey is still ok. Cry another cup. Turn off the
> mixerer.
>
> Break two large leggs and add to the bowl and chuck the cup of dried
> fruit
>
> Mix on the turner. If the fried druit get stuck in the beaterers pry
> it
> loose with the drewscriver.
>
> Shmample the whiksey to check for tonsisticity. Next, sift two cups
> of
> salt. Or somethin. Who cares. Check the whiskey. Now sift the
> lemon
> juice and strain your nuts. Add one table. Spoon. Of sugar of
> somethin
> Whatever you can find.
>
> Grease the oven. Turn the cake tin to 350 degrees. Don't forget to
> beat
> off the turner. Throw the bowl out of the window, check the whiskey
> again
> and go to bed.
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Subject: Re: Fruit Cake
EXCELLENT! WONDERFUL! :)... Now I know why nobody likes my fruit
cakes.....and
MARRY CHRISTMAS everybody!!!!
Emil
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Merry Christmas everyone. Hope you all have a great holiday. Hoping for
snow here in Boston...
Erik Petersen
Tufts University
Dept. of Anatomy
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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Note of appreciation (Dioramas)
I wanted to let everyone know that David Weisham at Johns Hopkins in
Baltimore really appreciated all the input on Sources for Dinosaur Diorama
Info and Contacts for Further Info. He has passed a lot of it onto
Romania, and will do further investigating.
I especially want to thank Steve Halford who passed the query onto the
Natural History Collections list (nhcoll-l). David got some good response
there and from our own group.
If anyone is interested in a compilation of the response, send me a private
e-mail.
Britt
Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253, Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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