A brief description works too: A small stick of tightly-rolled paper,
pointed at the end, used to smudge graphite in a controlled way. There
are two versions (may have different names, can't remember which is
which): one is a tightly rolled cylinder of soft paper that is sharpened
as with a pencil sharpener. The other is a hollow tightly rolled cone of
paper, that is pointed due to the way it was rolled. Both made with a
soft but tough paper. Keeps your fingers a bit cleaner, and your skin
oils off the paper.
I call 'em "smudgers".
A great question for SciArt Trivia game.
-vera
Janet Wilkins wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Frank is being "cute" cause it's also called a "stump." Here's a site where you can see what it is.
>
> http://share3.esd105.wednet.edu/sotelops/tortillion.htm
>
> Janet
>
>
>> From: chris gralapp <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: 2008/08/12 Tue PM 02:00:51 CDT
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] SCIART-L Digest - 10 Aug 2008 to 11 Aug 2008 (#2008-204)
>>
>
>
>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>> <html>
>> <head>
>> <meta content="text/html;charset=windows-1252"
>> http-equiv="Content-Type">
>> </head>
>> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>> Wow! what's a tortillion?<br>
>> <br>
>> Chris<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Kenneth Williams wrote:
>> <blockquote cite="mid:[log in to unmask]"
>> type="cite">
>> <style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style>
>> <div
>> style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Hi,<br>
>> I am Kenneth Williams, fisheries specialist and science illustrator at
>> Langston Univ. <br>
>> in central Oklahoma. Someone a couple of weeks ago was interested in
>> insect drawings. <br>
>> I happen to be working on some now for an article I am writing. <br>
>> They can be viewed at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www2.luresext.edu/aquaculture/kw.htm.They">http://www2.luresext.edu/aquaculture/kw.htm.They</a>
>> are thumbnails <br>
>> you can click on for a larger image. All are drawn in graphite, most
>> with pencil <br>
>> and tortillion; some with a paint brush and graphite in places. The
>> website works best <br>
>> in microsoft explorer. It gets a bit disoriented in other browsers but
>> things work.<br>
>> <br>
>> <div> </div>
>> Kenneth Williams<br>
>> Fisheries Extension Specialist<br>
>> Langston University Aquaculture Program<br>
>> 405. 466. 6106
>> <div><br>
>> </div>
>> <div
>> style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br>
>> <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">-----
>> Original Message ----<br>
>> From: SCIART-L automatic digest system <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]"><[log in to unmask]></a><br>
>> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:00:25 AM<br>
>> Subject: SCIART-L Digest - 10 Aug 2008 to 11 Aug 2008 (#2008-204)<br>
>> <br>
>> There are 18 messages totalling 2777 lines in this issue.<br>
>> <br>
>> Topics of the day:<br>
>> <br>
>> 1. PDF file size (3)<br>
>> 2. conference publicity (14)<br>
>> 3. question<br>
>> <br>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:41:00 +0200<br>
>> From: Mieke Roth <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: PDF file size<br>
>> <br>
>> Hi Geoff,<br>
>> <br>
>> Did you try to make it work with InDesign? Although I sometimes use
>> other<br>
>> programs to make pdf's it is really the most practical program to get a<br>
>> managable pdf. The advantage is also that you are able to incorporate
>> files<br>
>>
> >from different programs without losing the ability to edit them in that<br>
>
>> program.<br>
>> <br>
>> Mieke <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson<br>
>> Sent: zondag 10 augustus 2008 22:35<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>> <br>
>> Dear David,<br>
>> That's what I was doing but the files sizes were still much<br>
>> larger than .pdfs containing similar images printed as a pdf from Word
>> and<br>
>> the image quality was terrible. <br>
>> I guess the Illustrator compatibility or some other settings are
>> keeping the<br>
>> file size big?<br>
>> Geoff<br>
>> <br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of DAVID W. EHLERT<br>
>> Sent: Monday, 11 August 2008 2:24 AM<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>> <br>
>> Hey Geoff,<br>
>> <br>
>> If you open a high quality PDF in Acrobat, you can then go to
>> ADVANCED> PDF<br>
>> Optimizer. Play with the settings to get what you need in terms of file<br>
>> size.<br>
>> Save the file with a new name, e.g. oldfilename_a.pdf<br>
>> Hope that helps. :)<br>
>> <br>
>> Cheers!<br>
>> Dave<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Geoff Thompson wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> Dear All,<br>
>>> I have been saving PDFs in Illustrator CS3 and Acrobat 8<br>
>>> Professional. The files sizes are a lot bigger than if I print a
>>>
>> similar<br>
>>
>>> file, containing the same images, as an Adobe PDF from Word. I
>>>
>> have tried<br>
>>
>>> optimising the files but I lose a lot of quality in photos and the
>>>
>> files<br>
>> are<br>
>>
>>> still a lot bigger than if they were made from a different
>>>
>> program. My<br>
>> boss<br>
>>
>>> has my old CS creative suite and her version of Acrobat
>>>
>> Professional has a<br>
>>
>>> function (I can't remember its name) that reduces file size
>>>
>> without losing<br>
>>
>>> noticeable image quality. This is not available in my version and
>>>
>> in any<br>
>>
>>> case was greyed out on a file made in Illustrator CS3.<br>
>>> What am I doing wrong and what options do I have to get good
>>>
>> quality<br>
>> images<br>
>>
>>> in a smaller file size?<br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>> Geoff Thompson<br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:19:36 +1000<br>
>> From: Geoff Thompson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: PDF file size<br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks Mieke,<br>
>> We had a long meeting and I didn't get to it. I did try
>> making<br>
>> the same material into a PDF (without the headings) and it came out at
>> about<br>
>> 300KB with great quality images and text, instead of about 3MB. I don't<br>
>> understand why Illustrator makes such huge PDFs and when I tried to
>> optimise<br>
>> them there is a marked loss of quality in text and images at 1.5MB.<br>
>> Seems crazy!<br>
>> Will try and have a go with InDesign tomorrow at work.<br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Geoff<br>
>> <br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of Mieke Roth<br>
>> Sent: Monday, 11 August 2008 6:41 PM<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>> <br>
>> Hi Geoff,<br>
>> <br>
>> Did you try to make it work with InDesign? Although I sometimes use
>> other<br>
>> programs to make pdf's it is really the most practical program to get a<br>
>> managable pdf. The advantage is also that you are able to incorporate
>> files<br>
>>
> >from different programs without losing the ability to edit them in that<br>
>
>> program.<br>
>> <br>
>> Mieke <br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:49:58 -0500<br>
>> From: Janet Wilkins <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I didn't even
>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just the
>> so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>> <br>
>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't need
>> to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was just
>> one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the library at
>> Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning. <br>
>> <br>
>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>> <br>
>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>
>> <br>
>>
>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the
>>>
>> conference under July 24th:Â <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html</a><br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best
>>>
>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a
>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference and
>> was posted on the bulletin board at the registration.<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html</a><br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the
>>>
>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:28:27 -0400<br>
>> From: Frank Ippolito <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
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>> <br>
>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic <br>
>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the sciences, I
>> <br>
>> do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the aspects <br>
>> seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual science <br>
>> illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... inspired by the <br>
>> anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our profession. on its
>> own <br>
>> it would have served as such. but the author then quotes Warren Allmon <br>
>> description of "... inspired guesses, and artistic creativity to form a
>> <br>
>> picture of what animals may have once looked like." all the part's of <br>
>> Warren's talk where he mentions actual paleontological illustration
>> (and <br>
>> not popularized animal restorations) is left out. he then mentions <br>
>> Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this keynote was interesting and <br>
>> entertaining but not about real science illustration. all this in a one
>> <br>
>> page article leaves little room to mention what science illustration <br>
>> really is and what GNSI typically focuses on during a conference. in <br>
>> Omni magazine this would have been expected. I guess when I see
>> writings <br>
>> in journals such as Nature or Science I am expecting an article written
>> <br>
>> for scientists.<br>
>> <br>
>> -frank<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I didn't
>>>
>> even need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>> just the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't
>>>
>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was
>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the
>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning. <br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of
>>>>
>> the conference under July 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html</a><br>
>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your
>>>>
>> best bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a
>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference and
>> was posted on the bulletin board at the registration.<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html</a><br>
>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the
>>>>
>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> -- <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a> <br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
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>> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8"
>> http-equiv="Content-Type"><br>
>> <title></title><br>
>> </head><br>
>> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"><br>
>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic<br>
>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the sciences, I<br>
>> do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the aspects<br>
>> seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual science<br>
>> illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... inspired by the<br>
>> anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our profession. on its<br>
>> own it would have served as such. but the author then quotes Warren<br>
>> Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and artistic creativity to<br>
>> form a picture of what animals may have once looked like." all the<br>
>> part's of Warren's talk where he mentions actual paleontological<br>
>> illustration (and not popularized animal restorations) is left out. he<br>
>> then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this keynote was<br>
>> interesting and entertaining but not about real science illustration.<br>
>> all this in a one page article leaves little room to mention what<br>
>> science illustration really is and what GNSI typically focuses on<br>
>> during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been expected. I<br>
>> guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or Science I am<br>
>> expecting an article written for scientists.<br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> -frank<br><br>
>> <blockquote<br>
>> cite="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"<br>
>> type="cite"><br>
>> <pre wrap="">Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article
>> and I didn't even need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>> distance, just the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>> <br>
>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't need
>> to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was just
>> one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the library at
>> Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning. <br>
>> <br>
>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>> <br>
>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>> <br>
>> </pre><br>
>> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>> <pre wrap="">From: gretchen halpert <a
>> class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>></a><br>
>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br>
>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> </pre><br>
>> </blockquote><br>
>> <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
>> </pre><br>
>> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>> <pre wrap="">Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the
>> conference under July 24th:Â <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-science-illustrators.html</a></a><br>
>> <br>
>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best bet
>> for reading it is from a university library unless you have a
>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference and
>> was posted on the bulletin board at the registration.<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/454278a.html</a><br>
>> <br>
>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the tiara.)Elmira,
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br>
>> </pre><br>
>> </blockquote><br>
>> <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
>> </pre><br>
>> </blockquote><br>
>> <br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a> <br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a> <br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></a>
>> </pre><br>
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>> </html><br>
>> <br>
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>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:31:29 -0400<br>
>> From: duboisworks <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: question<br>
>> <br>
>> I'm looking for a writer/historian of NY to do the scholarship for a
>> book I'm putting together.Does anyone have a recommendation or
>> suggestion?<br>
>> Thanks<br>
>> Ann<br>
>> <br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.duboisartgallery.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.duboisartgallery.com</a><br>
>> <br>
>> ________________________________________<br>
>> PeoplePC Online<br>
>> A better way to Internet<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.peoplepc.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.peoplepc.com</a><br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:42:58 -0400<br>
>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic
>>>
>> =20<br>
>>
>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>
>> sciences,=A0 =<br>
>> =20<br>
>>
>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the =20<br>
>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual
>>>
>> =20<br>
>>
>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... =20<br>
>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our
>>>
>> =20<br>
>>
>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>>
>> author =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses,
>>>
>> and =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>>>
>> once =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions
>>>
>> actual =<br>
>> =20<br>
>>
>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>
>> restorations) =<br>
>> =20<br>
>>
>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this
>>>
>> =20<br>
>>
>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>
>> science =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to
>>>
>> =20<br>
>>
>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>
>> typically =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have
>>>
>> been =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature
>>>
>> or =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>>
>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>>>>
>> didn't even =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>>>>
>> just =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you
>>>>
>> didn't =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and
>>>>
>> it was =<br>
>> =20<br>
>>
>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to
>>>>
>> the =20<br>
>>
>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>
>> morning.<br>
>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>>>>>
>> report of the =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>> conference under July =20<br>
>>>>> 24th:=A0<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=20="
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=20=</a><br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature.
>>>>>
>> Your best =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you
>>>>>
>> have a =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>>>>>
>> conference =20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the =20<br>
>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20="
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20=</a><br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the
>>>>>
>> =20<br>
>>
>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> --=20<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>>
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>>
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:52:42 -0500<br>
>> From: Janet Wilkins <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science illustration
>> and Nature Journal that I think got lost in cyberspace!<br>
>> <br>
>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article in
>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The
>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?"
>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>> Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied
>> Science, Northwestern University.<br>
>> <br>
>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today is
>> "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>> <br>
>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>
>> <br>
>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the
>>>>
>> basic <br>
>>
>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>>
>> sciences, <br>
>>
>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>>>>
>> the <br>
>>
>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>>>>
>> actual <br>
>>
>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>>>>
>> creatures... <br>
>>
>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to
>>>>
>> our <br>
>>
>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>>>
>> author <br>
>>
>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>>>>
>> guesses, and <br>
>>
>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>>>>
>> once <br>
>>
>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>>>>
>> mentions actual <br>
>>
>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>
>> restorations) <br>
>>
>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>>>>
>> this <br>
>>
>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>>
>> science <br>
>>
>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>>>>
>> room to <br>
>>
>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>>
>> typically <br>
>>
>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>>>>
>> have been <br>
>>
>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>>>>
>> Nature or <br>
>>
>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -frank<br>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>>>>>
>> didn't even <br>
>>
>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>>>>>
>> distance, just <br>
>>
>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that
>>>>>
>> you didn't <br>
>>
>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00
>>>>>
>> and it was <br>
>>
>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write
>>>>>
>> to the <br>
>>
>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>>
>> morning.<br>
>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>>>>>>
>> report of the <br>
>>
>>>>>> conference under July <br>
>>>>>> 24th:Â <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>>>>>>
>> Nature. Your best <br>
>>
>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless
>>>>>>
>> you have a <br>
>>
>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>>>>>>
>> conference <br>
>>
>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the <br>
>>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you
>>>>>>
>> the <br>
>>
>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -- <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:56:36 -0400<br>
>> From: Lynn Usack <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never happened
>> before<br>
>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I understand<br>
>> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a prestigious<br>
>> journal.<br>
>> Lynn<br>
>> <br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic <br>
>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>
>> sciences, <br>
>>
>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the <br>
>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual <br>
>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... <br>
>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our
>>>
>> <br>
>>
>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>>
>> author <br>
>>
>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses,
>>>
>> and <br>
>>
>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>>>
>> once <br>
>>
>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions
>>>
>> actual <br>
>>
>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>
>> restorations) <br>
>>
>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>>>
>> this <br>
>>
>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>
>> science <br>
>>
>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room
>>>
>> to <br>
>>
>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>
>> typically <br>
>>
>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have
>>>
>> been <br>
>>
>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature
>>>
>> or <br>
>>
>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>>
>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>>>>
>> didn't even <br>
>>
>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>>>>
>> just <br>
>>
>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you
>>>>
>> didn't <br>
>>
>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and
>>>>
>> it was <br>
>>
>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to
>>>>
>> the <br>
>>
>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>
>> morning.<br>
>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>>>>>
>> report of the <br>
>>
>>>>> conference under July <br>
>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature.
>>>>>
>> Your best <br>
>>
>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you
>>>>>
>> have a <br>
>>
>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>>>>>
>> conference <br>
>>
>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the <br>
>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the <br>
>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> -- <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>>
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>>
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:58:37 -0700<br>
>> From: Deb Haines <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: PDF file size<br>
>> <br>
>> Geoff..<br>
>> You need to check your Illustrator settings. See what your print
>> output is at (1200 dpi, 600dpi, etc.) <br>
>> Make sure that you have all your colors converted to CMYK if you are
>> sending the file out for printing. Otherwise you<br>
>> should make sure that both profiles are included in case you are using
>> RGB images/colors. <br>
>> I always print to PDF that way I can pre-flight (optimize my settings
>> in advance).  As others have already<br>
>> recommended you can "optimize" after the fact but you do need to set
>> your selections and there is no guarantee<br>
>> on output qualiity. Typically the optimize is used for web and to
>> reduce files for attachment and review. I would not necessarily
>> optimize for a final print job.  If the file it to large for
>> attachement I was request an FTP site to upload<br>
>> the file. <br>
>> Does this help?<br>
>> Â <br>
>> Deb<br>
>> Â <br>
>> DK Haines Illustrations & Design <br>
>> 4906 Skyline Drive • Knoxville, TN 37914 <br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> ----- Original Message ----<br>
>> From: Mieke Roth <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 4:41:00 AM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>> <br>
>> Hi Geoff,<br>
>> <br>
>> Did you try to make it work with InDesign? Although I sometimes use
>> other<br>
>> programs to make pdf's it is really the most practical program to get a<br>
>> managable pdf. The advantage is also that you are able to incorporate
>> files<br>
>>
> >from different programs without losing the ability to edit them in that<br>
>
>> program.<br>
>> <br>
>> Mieke <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson<br>
>> Sent: zondag 10 augustus 2008 22:35<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>> <br>
>> Dear David,<br>
>> Â Â Â Â Â That's what I was doing but the files sizes were still
>> much<br>
>> larger than .pdfs containing similar images printed as a pdf from Word
>> and<br>
>> the image quality was terrible. <br>
>> I guess the Illustrator compatibility or some other settings are
>> keeping the<br>
>> file size big?<br>
>> Geoff<br>
>> <br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of DAVID W. EHLERT<br>
>> Sent: Monday, 11 August 2008 2:24 AM<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>> <br>
>> Hey Geoff,<br>
>> <br>
>> If you open a high quality PDF in Acrobat, you can then go to
>> ADVANCED> PDF<br>
>> Optimizer. Play with the settings to get what you need in terms of file<br>
>> size.<br>
>> Save the file with a new name, e.g. oldfilename_a.pdf<br>
>> Hope that helps. :)<br>
>> <br>
>> Cheers!<br>
>> Dave<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Geoff Thompson wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> Dear All,<br>
>>> Â Â Â I have been saving PDFs in Illustrator CS3 and Acrobat 8<br>
>>> Professional. The files sizes are a lot bigger than if I print a
>>>
>> similar<br>
>>
>>> file, containing the same images, as an Adobe PDF from Word. I
>>>
>> have tried<br>
>>
>>> optimising the files but I lose a lot of quality in photos and the
>>>
>> files<br>
>> are<br>
>>
>>> still a lot bigger than if they were made from a different
>>>
>> program. My<br>
>> boss<br>
>>
>>> has my old CS creative suite and her version of Acrobat
>>>
>> Professional has a<br>
>>
>>> function (I can't remember its name) that reduces file size
>>>
>> without losing<br>
>>
>>> noticeable image quality. This is not available in my version and
>>>
>> in any<br>
>>
>>> case was greyed out on a file made in Illustrator CS3.<br>
>>> What am I doing wrong and what options do I have to get good
>>>
>> quality<br>
>> images<br>
>>
>>> in a smaller file size?<br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>> Â Â Â Geoff Thompson<br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:09:09 +0200<br>
>> From: Mieke Roth <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>> <br>
>> I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should be grateful
>> that<br>
>> we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and it is
>> getting<br>
>> more and more important to be able to visualize scientific fact and
>> data. <br>
>> <br>
>> I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact that the<br>
>> profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a serious
>> magazine<br>
>> or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it means that we<br>
>> still have some work to do, pr wise.<br>
>> <br>
>> Mieke <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br>
>> Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never happened
>> before<br>
>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I understand<br>
>> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a prestigious<br>
>> journal.<br>
>> Lynn<br>
>> <br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic <br>
>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>
>> sciences, <br>
>>
>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the <br>
>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual <br>
>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... <br>
>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our
>>>
>> <br>
>>
>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>>
>> author <br>
>>
>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses,
>>>
>> and <br>
>>
>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>>>
>> once <br>
>>
>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions
>>>
>> actual <br>
>>
>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>
>> restorations) <br>
>>
>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>>>
>> this <br>
>>
>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>
>> science <br>
>>
>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room
>>>
>> to <br>
>>
>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>
>> typically <br>
>>
>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have
>>>
>> been <br>
>>
>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature
>>>
>> or <br>
>>
>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>>
>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>>>>
>> didn't even <br>
>>
>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>>>>
>> just <br>
>>
>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you
>>>>
>> didn't <br>
>>
>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and
>>>>
>> it was <br>
>>
>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to
>>>>
>> the <br>
>>
>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>
>> morning.<br>
>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>>>>>
>> report of the <br>
>>
>>>>> conference under July <br>
>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature.
>>>>>
>> Your best <br>
>>
>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you
>>>>>
>> have a <br>
>>
>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>>>>>
>> conference <br>
>>
>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the <br>
>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the <br>
>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> -- <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>>
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>>
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:10:05 -0400<br>
>> From: Frank Ippolito <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<br>
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>> <br>
>> Janet,<br>
>> <br>
>> yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of Joan's <br>
>> earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof.<br>
>> <br>
>> I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my response
>> was <br>
>> published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The editors did
>> <br>
>> in fact water my reply down to the point that it barely sharpened. but <br>
>> the point was made. the letter is linked here...<br>
>> <br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html</a><br>
>> <br>
>> for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of my
>> letter <br>
>> is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without reading the <br>
>> article I was reacting to...<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> The subtle beauty of art in the service of science<br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito^1 <#a1><br>
>> <br>
>> 1. Division of Vertebrate Paleontology, American Museum of Natural<br>
>> History, 79th Street & Central Park West, New York, New York<br>
>> 10024, USA<br>
>> <br>
>> <#top><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Abstract<br>
>> <br>
>> An illustration may be intended to emphasize details, convey an idea or
>> <br>
>> raise questions.<br>
>> <br>
>> Sir,<br>
>> <br>
>> As a professional scientific illustrator I feel compelled to respond to
>> <br>
>> Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" (Nature
>> 421, <br>
>> 474–476; 2003 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a</a>>).
>> I believe that <br>
>> Ottino's criticisms of scientific illustration are founded on an <br>
>> incorrect understanding of the field.<br>
>> <br>
>> Galileo's drawings can't be compared with magazine covers: they are two
>> <br>
>> unrelated types of illustration. It is incorrect to conclude from such
>> a <br>
>> comparison that scientific disparity exists between them because the <br>
>> magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists and illustrators" —
>> <br>
>> this artwork was intended to enhance editorial material rather than to <br>
>> illustrate research.<br>
>> <br>
>> Such conceptual illustrations are designed to pose questions. Their use
>> <br>
>> on the cover of a science magazine offers the promise of articles that <br>
>> inform these questions. The cover art of the 30 January 2003 issue of <br>
>> /Nature/ (see figure) and the related News and Views and Letter <br>
>> (Nature 421, 489–490; 2003 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a</a>>
>> & <br>
>> Nature 421, 530–533; 2003 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359</a>>)
>> <br>
>> follow this convention. The image does not illustrate the research <br>
>> itself; that is not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice
>> of <br>
>> digital medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of <br>
>> an artist, has no bearing on this question.<br>
>> <br>
>> Scientific illustration follows a different mandate, and it can often
>> be <br>
>> found within the pages of the very magazines under discussion. These <br>
>> drawings outline structure and clarify detail, as required by the <br>
>> subject and requested by the researcher. Because they communicate <br>
>> subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language, scientific <br>
>> illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in precise <br>
>> communication (see /The Guild Handbook of Scientific Illustration,/ <br>
>> edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).<br>
>> <br>
>> Scientific illustration is a clearly defined field that benefits from <br>
>> active collaboration between scientist and illustrator. Using their <br>
>> professional observational skills, scientific illustrators strive to <br>
>> render the most accurate representation of their subject. It is, by <br>
>> definition, art in the service of science. The act of drawing is, in <br>
>> essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted details miss this
>> <br>
>> important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to eliminate <br>
>> non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is
>> smoothed <br>
>> out. The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and <br>
>> discoloration may be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a way
>> <br>
>> chosen to amplify those details that require emphasis.<br>
>> <br>
>> Scientific illustrations, even conceptual cover art, should be as <br>
>> accurate as possible. However, Ottino's proposal to establish rules <br>
>> governing the use of realistic rendering techniques is superfluous. <br>
>> Professional standards are already in place for scientific
>> illustration. <br>
>> Magazine editors recognize that their educated readership can <br>
>> distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept and the current
>> state <br>
>> of scientific research. Scientific illustrations exist within this <br>
>> context. They communicate with and within conventions that reach back
>> in <br>
>> time from this issue of /Nature/ to the pages of Galileo's notebooks.<br>
>> <br>
>> -frank<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science
>>>
>> illustration and Nature Journal that I think got lost in cyberspace!<br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article
>>>
>> in Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The
>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?"
>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>> Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied
>> Science, Northwestern University.<br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>>>
>> today is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the
>>>>>
>> basic <br>
>>
>>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>>>
>> sciences, <br>
>>
>>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>>>>>
>> the <br>
>>
>>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>>>>>
>> actual <br>
>>
>>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>>>>>
>> creatures... <br>
>>
>>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar
>>>>>
>> to our <br>
>>
>>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but
>>>>>
>> the author <br>
>>
>>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>>>>>
>> guesses, and <br>
>>
>>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may
>>>>>
>> have once <br>
>>
>>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>>>>>
>> mentions actual <br>
>>
>>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>>
>> restorations) <br>
>>
>>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia
>>>>>
>> talk. this <br>
>>
>>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>>>
>> science <br>
>>
>>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>>>>>
>> room to <br>
>>
>>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>>>
>> typically <br>
>>
>>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>>>>>
>> have been <br>
>>
>>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>>>>>
>> Nature or <br>
>>
>>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> -frank<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and
>>>>>>
>> I didn't even <br>
>>
>>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>>>>>>
>> distance, just <br>
>>
>>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that
>>>>>>
>> you didn't <br>
>>
>>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs
>>>>>>
>> $32.00 and it was <br>
>>
>>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>>>>>>
>> write to the <br>
>>
>>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>>>
>> morning.<br>
>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very
>>>>>>>
>> nice report of the <br>
>>
>>>>>>> conference under July <br>
>>>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>>>>>>>
>> Nature. Your best <br>
>>
>>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library
>>>>>>>
>> unless you have a <br>
>>
>>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before
>>>>>>>
>> the conference <br>
>>
>>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the <br>
>>>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe
>>>>>>>
>> you the <br>
>>
>>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> -- <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>>
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>
>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> -- <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
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>> Janet,<br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of Joan's<br>
>> earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof. <br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my response<br>
>> was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The editors<br>
>> did in fact water my reply down to the point that it barely sharpened.<br>
>> but the point was made. the letter is linked here... <br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html</a></a>
>> <br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of my<br>
>> letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without<br>
>> reading the article I was reacting to...<br><br>
>> <h2 id="atl" minmax_bound="true">The subtle beauty of art in the<br>
>> service of science</h2><br>
>> <p id="aug" minmax_bound="true">Frank Ippolito<sup
>> minmax_bound="true"><a<br>
>> title="affiliated with " href="#a1"
>> minmax_bound="true">1</a></sup><br>
>> </p><br>
>> <div id="affiliations-notes" minmax_bound="true"><br>
>> <ol minmax_bound="true"><br>
>> <li id="a1" minmax_bound="true">Division of Vertebrate
>> Paleontology,<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History, 79th Street & Central Park<br>
>> West, New York, New York 10024, USA<br><br>
>> </li><br>
>> </ol><br>
>> </div><br>
>> <div id="abs" minmax_bound="true"><a class="backtotop hidden"<br>
>> href="#top" minmax_bound="true"><span class="hidden"<br>
>> minmax_bound="true"></span></a><br>
>> <h3 class="hidden" minmax_bound="true">Abstract</h3><br>
>> <p class="lead" minmax_bound="true"><font size="+1">An
>> illustration may<br>
>> be intended to emphasize details, convey an idea or raise
>> questions.</font></p><br>
>> </div><br>
>> Sir,<br><br>
>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">As a professional scientific<br>
>> illustrator I feel compelled to respond to Julio Ottino's Commentary<br>
>> "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" (<a<br>
>> href="<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a"
>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a</a>"
>> minmax_bound="true"><span<br>
>> class="i" minmax_bound="true">Nature</span><span class="b"<br>
>> minmax_bound="true"> 421</span>, 474–476; 2003</a>).
>> I believe that<br>
>> Ottino's criticisms of scientific illustration are founded on an<br>
>> incorrect understanding of the field.</p><br>
>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Galileo's drawings can't be<br>
>> compared with magazine covers: they are two unrelated types of<br>
>> illustration. It is incorrect to conclude from such a comparison that<br>
>> scientific disparity exists between them because the magazine covers<br>
>> "are left in the hands of artists and illustrators" — this artwork was<br>
>> intended to enhance editorial material rather than to illustrate<br>
>> research.</p><br>
>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Such conceptual illustrations
>> are<br>
>> designed to pose questions. Their use on the cover of a science<br>
>> magazine offers the promise of articles that inform these questions.<br>
>> The cover art of the 30 January 2003 issue of <i
>> minmax_bound="true">Nature</i><br>
>> (see figure) and the related News and Views and Letter (<a<br>
>> href="<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a"
>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a</a>"
>> minmax_bound="true"><span<br>
>> class="i" minmax_bound="true">Nature</span><span class="b"<br>
>> minmax_bound="true"> 421</span>, 489–490; 2003</a>
>> & <a<br>
>> href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359</a>"
>> minmax_bound="true"><span<br>
>> class="i" minmax_bound="true">Nature</span><span class="b"<br>
>> minmax_bound="true"> 421</span>, 530–533; 2003</a>)
>> follow this<br>
>> convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself; that is<br>
>> not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice of digital<br>
>> medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of an<br>
>> artist, has no bearing on this question.</p><br>
>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Scientific illustration
>> follows a<br>
>> different mandate, and it can often be found within the pages of the<br>
>> very magazines under discussion. These drawings outline structure and<br>
>> clarify detail, as required by the subject and requested by the<br>
>> researcher. Because they communicate subtleties and eliminate the<br>
>> ambiguities of language, scientific illustrations are an important,<br>
>> often necessary, element in precise communication (see <i<br>
>> minmax_bound="true">The Guild Handbook of Scientific
>> Illustration,</i><br>
>> edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).</p><br>
>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Scientific illustration is a<br>
>> clearly defined field that benefits from active collaboration between<br>
>> scientist and illustrator. Using their professional observational<br>
>> skills, scientific illustrators strive to render the most accurate<br>
>> representation of their subject. It is, by definition, art in the<br>
>> service of science. The act of drawing is, in essence, the act of<br>
>> editing. Complaints about omitted details miss this important point.<br>
>> Scientific illustrators are trained to eliminate non-essential<br>
>> information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is smoothed out. The<br>
>> broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and discoloration may<br>
>> be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a way chosen to amplify<br>
>> those details that require emphasis.</p><br>
>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Scientific illustrations, even<br>
>> conceptual cover art, should be as accurate as possible. However,<br>
>> Ottino's proposal to establish rules governing the use of realistic<br>
>> rendering techniques is superfluous. Professional standards are already<br>
>> in place for scientific illustration. Magazine editors recognize that<br>
>> their educated readership can distinguish between a beautifully<br>
>> rendered concept and the current state of scientific research.<br>
>> Scientific illustrations exist within this context. They communicate<br>
>> with and within conventions that reach back in time from this issue of
>> <i<br>
>> minmax_bound="true">Nature</i> to the pages of Galileo's
>> notebooks.<br><br>
>> </p><br>
>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">-frank<br><br>
>> </p><br>
>> <br><br>
>> <blockquote<br>
>> cite="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"<br>
>> type="cite"><br>
>> <pre wrap="">Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about
>> science illustration and Nature Journal that I think got lost in
>> cyberspace!<br>
>> <br>
>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article in
>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The
>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?"
>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>> Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied
>> Science, Northwestern University.<br>
>> <br>
>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today is
>> "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>> <br>
>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>> <br>
>> </pre><br>
>> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>> <pre wrap="">From: Joan Lee <a
>> class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>></a><br>
>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> </pre><br>
>> </blockquote><br>
>> <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
>> </pre><br>
>> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>> <pre wrap="">On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito
>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> </pre><br>
>> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>> <pre wrap=""> it is a nice prop in an important
>> publication. though the basic <br>
>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the sciences,Â
>> <br>
>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the <br>
>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual <br>
>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... <br>
>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our <br>
>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the author <br>
>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and <br>
>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have once <br>
>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions actual
>> <br>
>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal restorations)
>> <br>
>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this <br>
>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real science <br>
>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to <br>
>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI typically <br>
>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been <br>
>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or <br>
>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>> <br>
>> -frank<br>
>> </pre><br>
>> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>> <pre wrap="">Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature
>> article and I didn't even <br>
>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just <br>
>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>> <br>
>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't <br>
>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was <br>
>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the <br>
>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning.<br>
>> <br>
>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>> <br>
>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> </pre><br>
>> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>> <pre wrap="">From: gretchen halpert <a
>> class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>></a><br>
>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br>
>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> </pre><br>
>> </blockquote><br>
>> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>> <pre wrap="">Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the <br>
>> conference under July <br>
>> 24th:Â <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural</a></a>-
>> <br>
>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>> <br>
>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best <br>
>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a <br>
>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference <br>
>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the <br>
>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>
>> <br>
>> 454278a.html<br>
>> <br>
>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the <br>
>> tiara.)Elmira, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
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>> <br>
>> </pre><br>
>> </blockquote><br>
>> </blockquote><br>
>> <pre wrap=""><br>
>> -- <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
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>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br>
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>> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a><br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
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>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></a><br>
>> </pre><br>
>> </blockquote><br>
>> </blockquote><br>
>> <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
>> </pre><br>
>> </blockquote><br>
>> <br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a> <br>
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>> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a> <br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
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>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:56:55 -0400<br>
>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> My comments went poof?! Oh boy.<br>
>> <br>
>> Frank, I understand clearly what you are writing, and I agree with
>> you.=20=<br>
>> <br>
>> It is very important to distinguish between science illustration and=20<br>
>> other types, methods, conventions of visual communication. This is
>> why=20=<br>
>> <br>
>> I do not like the idea of "art of science illustration." It muddies
>> the=20=<br>
>> <br>
>> waters.<br>
>> <br>
>> Just recently I talked with a person at UMFK who wrote, in essence,=20<br>
>> that a bunch of artists are coming to Fort Kent next year. I=20<br>
>> immediately corrected him and he published the correction. Then we
>> got=20=<br>
>> <br>
>> into a discussion about differences, scopes, etc. While searching for
>> a=20=<br>
>> <br>
>> good keynote speaker I had to keep emphasizing THINK SCIENCE not=20<br>
>> minimalism or realism or "nature art" . . . Joan<br>
>> <br>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> Janet,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of
>>>
>> Joan's=20<br>
>>
>>> earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my
>>>
>> response=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The=20<br>
>>> editors did in fact water my reply down to the point that it
>>>
>> barely=20<br>
>>
>>> sharpened. but the point was made. the letter is linked here...<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html</a><br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>> for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of
>>>
>> my=20<br>
>>
>>> letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense
>>>
>> without=20<br>
>>
>>> reading the article I was reacting to...<br>
>>> <br>
>>> The subtle beauty of art in the service of science<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito1<br>
>>> 1 Division of Vertebrate Paleontology, American Museum of =<br>
>>>
>> Natural=20<br>
>>
>>> History, 79th Street & Central Park West, New York, New York
>>>
>> 10024,=20<br>
>>
>>> USA<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Abstract<br>
>>> <br>
>>> An illustration may be intended to emphasize details, convey an
>>>
>> idea=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> or raise questions.<br>
>>> Sir,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> As a professional scientific illustrator I feel compelled to
>>>
>> respond=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> to Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?"=20<br>
>>> (Nature=A0421, 474=96476; 2003). I believe that Ottino's
>>>
>> criticisms of=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> scientific illustration are founded on an incorrect understanding
>>>
>> of=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> the field.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Galileo's drawings can't be compared with magazine covers: they
>>>
>> are=20<br>
>>
>>> two unrelated types of illustration. It is incorrect to conclude
>>>
>> from=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> such a comparison that scientific disparity exists between them=20<br>
>>> because the magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists
>>>
>> and=20<br>
>>
>>> illustrators" =97 this artwork was intended to enhance editorial=20<br>
>>> material rather than to illustrate research.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Such conceptual illustrations are designed to pose questions.
>>>
>> Their=20<br>
>>
>>> use on the cover of a science magazine offers the promise of
>>>
>> articles=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> that inform these questions. The cover art of the 30 January
>>>
>> 2003=20<br>
>>
>>> issue of Nature (see figure) and the related News and Views and
>>>
>> Letter=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> (Nature=A0421, 489=96490; 2003 & Nature=A0421, 530=96533;
>>>
>> 2003) follow =<br>
>> this=20<br>
>>
>>> convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself;
>>>
>> that is=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
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>>> medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of
>>>
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>>
>>> artist, has no bearing on this question.<br>
>>> <br>
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>>>
>> often=20=<br>
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>> discussion.=20<br>
>>
>>> These drawings outline structure and clarify detail, as required
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>>
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>>> illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in
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>>
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>>>
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>>
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>>> <br>
>>> Scientific illustration is a clearly defined field that benefits
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>> from=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
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>>>
>> their=20<br>
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>> to=20=<br>
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>> in=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted details
>>>
>> miss=20<br>
>>
>>> this important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to
>>>
>> eliminate=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is=20<br>
>>> smoothed out. The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks
>>>
>> and=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> discoloration may be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in
>>>
>> a=20<br>
>>
>>> way chosen to amplify those details that require emphasis.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Scientific illustrations, even conceptual cover art, should be
>>>
>> as=20<br>
>>
>>> accurate as possible. However, Ottino's proposal to establish
>>>
>> rules=20<br>
>>
>>> governing the use of realistic rendering techniques is
>>>
>> superfluous.=20<br>
>>
>>> Professional standards are already in place for scientific=20<br>
>>> illustration. Magazine editors recognize that their educated=20<br>
>>> readership can distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept
>>>
>> and=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> the current state of scientific research. Scientific
>>>
>> illustrations=20<br>
>>
>>> exist within this context. They communicate with and within=20<br>
>>> conventions that reach back in time from this issue of Nature to
>>>
>> the=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> pages of Galileo's notebooks.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>>> Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science=20<br>
>>>> illustration and Nature Journal that I think got lost in
>>>>
>> cyberspace!<br>
>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an
>>>>
>> article in=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so
>>>>
>> flattering. The=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your
>>>>
>> eyes?"=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?"
>>>>
>> It's by=20<br>
>>
>>>> Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and
>>>>
>> Applied=20<br>
>>
>>>> Science, Northwestern University.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>>>>
>> today=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though
>>>>>>
>> the basic<br>
>>
>>>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within
>>>>>>
>> the=20<br>
>>
>>>>>> sciences,=A0<br>
>>>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned
>>>>>>
>> focus on the<br>
>>
>>>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do
>>>>>>
>> with actual<br>
>>
>>>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>>>>>>
>> creatures...<br>
>>
>>>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice
>>>>>>
>> sidebar to our<br>
>>
>>>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such.
>>>>>>
>> but the author<br>
>>
>>>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>>>>>>
>> guesses, and<br>
>>
>>>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals
>>>>>>
>> may have once<br>
>>
>>>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>>>>>>
>> mentions=20<br>
>>
>>>>>> actual<br>
>>>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized
>>>>>>
>> animal=20<br>
>>
>>>>>> restorations)<br>
>>>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's
>>>>>>
>> Dinotopia talk. this<br>
>>
>>>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about
>>>>>>
>> real science<br>
>>
>>>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves
>>>>>>
>> little room to<br>
>>
>>>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what
>>>>>>
>> GNSI typically<br>
>>
>>>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this
>>>>>>
>> would have=20<br>
>>
>>>>>> been<br>
>>>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such
>>>>>>
>> as Nature or<br>
>>
>>>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for
>>>>>>
>> scientists.<br>
>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> -frank<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article
>>>>>>>
>> and I didn't=20<br>
>>
>>>>>>> even<br>
>>>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive
>>>>>>>
>> for distance, =<br>
>> just<br>
>>
>>>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all
>>>>>>>
>> day).<br>
>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found
>>>>>>>
>> that you didn't<br>
>>
>>>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still
>>>>>>>
>> costs $32.00 and it=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>>>> was<br>
>>>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to
>>>>>>>
>> just write to the<br>
>>
>>>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy
>>>>>>>
>> this morning.<br>
>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a
>>>>>>>>
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a
>>>>>>>>
>> very nice report of=20=<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>>> conference under July<br>
>>>>>>>> 24th:=A0<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-="
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=</a><br>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the
>>>>>>>>
>> Journal Nature. Your =<br>
>> best<br>
>>
>>>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university
>>>>>>>>
>> library unless you have a<br>
>>
>>>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week
>>>>>>>>
>> before the conference<br>
>>
>>>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the<br>
>>>>>>>> =<br>
>>>>>>>>
>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a><br>
>>
>>>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I
>>>>>>>>
>> owe you the<br>
>>
>>>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --=20<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>>>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>
>>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> --=20<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>>
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>>
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:15:29 -0400<br>
>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> Try this one:<br>
>> art is to science as religion is to science.<br>
>> <br>
>> All can validly live together in the same world, but they are not the <br>
>> same as each other and should not be put into competition with each <br>
>> other nor should we attempt to interchange them. Are we getting <br>
>> somewhere?<br>
>> Joan<br>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Janet Wilkins wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>>>
>> today <br>
>>
>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:40:25 -0400<br>
>> From: Frank Ippolito <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> joan,<br>
>> <br>
>> you should really read the article to get a true sense at what this guy
>> <br>
>> was going on about. he was criticizing science illustration for being <br>
>> unscientific and using a pop science cover illustration to support his <br>
>> contention. there were a few other jabs - one being a claim that
>> digital <br>
>> tools somehow contributed to this supposed divergence. it was far less <br>
>> thought-out than your reply gives credit and was entirely off target. I
>> <br>
>> recall it gave rise to quite a lively discussion on this list at the
>> time.<br>
>> <br>
>> -frank<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> Try this one:<br>
>>> art is to science as religion is to science.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> All can validly live together in the same world, but they are not
>>>
>> the <br>
>>
>>> same as each other and should not be put into competition with
>>>
>> each <br>
>>
>>> other nor should we attempt to interchange them. Are we getting <br>
>>> somewhere?<br>
>>> Joan<br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Janet Wilkins wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>>>>
>> today <br>
>>
>>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> -- <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a> <br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a> <br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:24:55 -0400<br>
>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> I'll try to find the article--on the other hand I don't need to get <br>
>> riled up. That is worse than I surmised from the thread!<br>
>> Joan<br>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> joan,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> you should really read the article to get a true sense at what
>>>
>> this <br>
>>
>>> guy was going on about. he was criticizing science illustration
>>>
>> for <br>
>>
>>> being unscientific and using a pop science cover illustration to <br>
>>> support his contention. there were a few other jabs - one being a <br>
>>> claim that digital tools somehow contributed to this supposed <br>
>>> divergence. it was far less thought-out than your reply gives
>>>
>> credit <br>
>>
>>> and was entirely off target. I recall it gave rise to quite a
>>>
>> lively <br>
>>
>>> discussion on this list at the time.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>>> Try this one:<br>
>>>> art is to science as religion is to science.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> All can validly live together in the same world, but they are
>>>>
>> not the <br>
>>
>>>> same as each other and should not be put into competition with
>>>>
>> each <br>
>>
>>>> other nor should we attempt to interchange them. Are we
>>>>
>> getting <br>
>>
>>>> somewhere?<br>
>>>> Joan<br>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Janet Wilkins wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is
>>>>>
>> published today <br>
>>
>>>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> -- <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>
>> <br>
>>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>>
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:02:19 -0400<br>
>> From: Jaynie Martz <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<br>
>> <br>
>> ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C8FBDC.65450C60<br>
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>> <br>
>> Frank,<br>
>> <br>
>> The name 'Ottino' brought back memories...not particularly pleasant =<br>
>> ones. Was that over a slick cover illustration of nanotubes?<br>
>> You were all over that one.....very elequent response you fired off. I =<br>
>> remember that quite well. I don't subscribe to Nature but is there a =<br>
>> feedback section for you to once again educate the huddled non-science =<br>
>> illustrating masses? =20<br>
>> <br>
>> Jaynie<br>
>> <br>
>> ----- Original Message -----=20<br>
>> From: Frank Ippolito=20<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=20<br>
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:10 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Janet,<br>
>> <br>
>> yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of Joan's =<br>
>> earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof.=20<br>
>> <br>
>> I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my response =<br>
>> was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The editors
>> =<br>
>> did in fact water my reply down to the point that it barely sharpened. =<br>
>> but the point was made. the letter is linked here...=20<br>
>> <br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html=20"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html=20</a><br>
>> <br>
>> for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of my =<br>
>> letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without =<br>
>> reading the article I was reacting to...<br>
>> <br>
>> The subtle beauty of art in the service of science<br>
>> Frank Ippolito1=20<br>
>> <br>
>> 1.. Division of Vertebrate Paleontology, American Museum of Natural
>> =<br>
>> History, 79th Street & Central Park West, New York, New York 10024,
>> USA<br>
>> <br>
>> Abstract<br>
>> An illustration may be intended to emphasize details, convey an idea =<br>
>> or raise questions.<br>
>> <br>
>> Sir,<br>
>> <br>
>> As a professional scientific illustrator I feel compelled to respond =<br>
>> to Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" (Nature =<br>
>> 421, 474=E2=80=93476; 2003). I believe that Ottino's criticisms of =<br>
>> scientific illustration are founded on an incorrect understanding of
>> the =<br>
>> field.<br>
>> <br>
>> Galileo's drawings can't be compared with magazine covers: they are =<br>
>> two unrelated types of illustration. It is incorrect to conclude from =<br>
>> such a comparison that scientific disparity exists between them because
>> =<br>
>> the magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists and illustrators"
>> =<br>
>> =E2=80=94 this artwork was intended to enhance editorial material
>> rather =<br>
>> than to illustrate research.<br>
>> <br>
>> Such conceptual illustrations are designed to pose questions. Their =<br>
>> use on the cover of a science magazine offers the promise of articles =<br>
>> that inform these questions. The cover art of the 30 January 2003 issue
>> =<br>
>> of Nature (see figure) and the related News and Views and Letter
>> (Nature =<br>
>> 421, 489=E2=80=93490; 2003 & Nature 421, 530=E2=80=93533; 2003)
>> follow =<br>
>> this convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself;
>> that =<br>
>> is not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice of digital =<br>
>> medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of an =<br>
>> artist, has no bearing on this question.<br>
>> <br>
>> Scientific illustration follows a different mandate, and it can often
>> =<br>
>> be found within the pages of the very magazines under discussion. These
>> =<br>
>> drawings outline structure and clarify detail, as required by the =<br>
>> subject and requested by the researcher. Because they communicate =<br>
>> subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language, scientific =<br>
>> illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in precise =<br>
>> communication (see The Guild Handbook of Scientific Illustration,
>> edited =<br>
>> by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).<br>
>> <br>
>> Scientific illustration is a clearly defined field that benefits from
>> =<br>
>> active collaboration between scientist and illustrator. Using their =<br>
>> professional observational skills, scientific illustrators strive to =<br>
>> render the most accurate representation of their subject. It is, by =<br>
>> definition, art in the service of science. The act of drawing is, in =<br>
>> essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted details miss this
>> =<br>
>> important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to eliminate =<br>
>> non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is
>> smoothed =<br>
>> out. The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and =<br>
>> discoloration may be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a way
>> =<br>
>> chosen to amplify those details that require emphasis.<br>
>> <br>
>> Scientific illustrations, even conceptual cover art, should be as =<br>
>> accurate as possible. However, Ottino's proposal to establish rules =<br>
>> governing the use of realistic rendering techniques is superfluous. =<br>
>> Professional standards are already in place for scientific
>> illustration. =<br>
>> Magazine editors recognize that their educated readership can =<br>
>> distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept and the current
>> state =<br>
>> of scientific research. Scientific illustrations exist within this =<br>
>> context. They communicate with and within conventions that reach back
>> in =<br>
>> time from this issue of Nature to the pages of Galileo's notebooks.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> -frank<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science illustration
>> =<br>
>> and Nature Journal that I think got lost in cyberspace!<br>
>> <br>
>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article in =<br>
>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The =<br>
>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?" =<br>
>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>> Julio =<br>
>> M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied Science, =<br>
>> Northwestern University.<br>
>> <br>
>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today is
>> =<br>
>> "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>> <br>
>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>> <br>
>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> =20<br>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic =20<br>
>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the sciences,
>> =20<br>
>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the =20<br>
>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual =20<br>
>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... =20<br>
>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our =20<br>
>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the author =20<br>
>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and =20<br>
>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have once =20<br>
>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions actual
>> =20<br>
>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal restorations)
>> =20<br>
>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this =20<br>
>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real science =20<br>
>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to =20<br>
>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI typically =20<br>
>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been
>> =20<br>
>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or =20<br>
>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>> <br>
>> -frank<br>
>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I didn't =<br>
>> even =20<br>
>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just =20<br>
>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>> <br>
>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't =20<br>
>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was
>> =20<br>
>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the =20<br>
>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning.<br>
>> <br>
>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>> <br>
>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the =20<br>
>> conference under July =20<br>
>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=20"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=20</a><br>
>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>> <br>
>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best =20<br>
>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a =20<br>
>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference =20<br>
>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the =20<br>
>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20</a><br>
>> 454278a.html<br>
>> <br>
>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the =20<br>
>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> <br>
>> --=20<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>> =20<br>
>> =20<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> --=20<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=20<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com=20"
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com=20</a><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a> <br>
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>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial
>> size=3D2>Frank,</FONT></DIV><br>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial
>> size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><br>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The name 'Ottino' brought
>> back =<br>
>> memories...not=20<br>
>> particularly pleasant ones. Was that over a slick
>> cover =<br>
>> illustration=20<br>
>> of nanotubes?</FONT></DIV><br>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You were all over that
>> one.....very =<br>
>> elequent=20<br>
>> response you fired off. I remember that quite well. I don't subscribe
>> to =<br>
>> Nature=20<br>
>> but is there a feedback section for you to once again educate the =<br>
>> huddled=20<br>
>> non-science illustrating masses? </FONT></DIV><br>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial
>> size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><br>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial
>> size=3D2>Jaynie</FONT></DIV><br>
>> <DIV> </DIV><br>
>> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV><br>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20<br>
>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =<br>
>> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><br>
>> <DIV=20<br>
>> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =<br>
>> black"><B>From:</B>=20<br>
>> <A title=<a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> href=3D"mailto:<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>">Frank =<br>
>> Ippolito</A> </DIV><br>
>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =<br>
>> title=<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=20<br>
>> =<br>
>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></A>
>> =<br>
>> </DIV><br>
>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B>
>> Monday, August 11, 2008 =<br>
>> 1:10=20<br>
>> PM</DIV><br>
>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
>> [SCIART] =<br>
>> conference=20<br>
>> publicity</DIV><br>
>> <DIV><BR></DIV>Janet,<BR><BR>yes your
>> reply got eaten by the cyber =<br>
>> beast, as=20<br>
>> did part of Joan's earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes =<br>
>> poof.=20<br>
>> <BR><BR>I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to
>> it and my =<br>
>> response=20<br>
>> was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The =<br>
>> editors did in=20<br>
>> fact water my reply down to the point that it barely sharpened. but =<br>
>> the point=20<br>
>> was made. the letter is linked here... <BR><BR><A =<br>
>> class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext=20<br>
>> =<br>
>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html="
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html=</a><br>
>> "><a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/422015a.html</a></A>=20<br>
>> <BR><BR>for those who cannot read the archives w/o
>> paying, the body of =<br>
>> my=20<br>
>> letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without =<br>
>> reading the=20<br>
>> article I was reacting to...<BR><br>
>> <H2 id=3Datl minmax_bound=3D"true">The subtle beauty of art in
>> the =<br>
>> service of=20<br>
>> science</H2><br>
>> <P id=3Daug minmax_bound=3D"true">Frank Ippolito<SUP =<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true"><A=20<br>
>> title=3D"affiliated with " href=3D"#a1" =<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true">1</A></SUP> </P><br>
>> <DIV id=3Daffiliations-notes minmax_bound=3D"true"><br>
>> <OL minmax_bound=3D"true"><br>
>> <LI id=3Da1 minmax_bound=3D"true">Division of Vertebrate =<br>
>> Paleontology, American=20<br>
>> Museum of Natural History, 79th Street & Central Park West,
>> New =<br>
>> York,=20<br>
>> New York 10024, USA<BR></LI></OL></DIV><br>
>> <DIV id=3Dabs minmax_bound=3D"true"><A class=3D"backtotop
>> hidden" =<br>
>> href=3D"#top"=20<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Dhidden =<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true"></SPAN></A><br>
>> <H3 class=3Dhidden minmax_bound=3D"true">Abstract</H3><br>
>> <P class=3Dlead minmax_bound=3D"true"><FONT size=3D+1>An
>> illustration =<br>
>> may be=20<br>
>> intended to emphasize details, convey an idea or raise=20<br>
>> questions.</FONT></P></DIV>Sir,<BR><br>
>> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">As a professional
>> scientific =<br>
>> illustrator I=20<br>
>> feel compelled to respond to Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture =<br>
>> worth=20<br>
>> 1,000 words?" (<A href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a</a>"=20<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Di =<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</SPAN><SPAN=20<br>
>> class=3Db minmax_bound=3D"true"> 421</SPAN>,
>> 474=E2=80=93476; =<br>
>> 2003</A>). I believe=20<br>
>> that Ottino's criticisms of scientific illustration are founded on
>> an=20<br>
>> incorrect understanding of the field.</P><br>
>> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Galileo's drawings can't
>> be =<br>
>> compared with=20<br>
>> magazine covers: they are two unrelated types of illustration. It is =<br>
>> incorrect=20<br>
>> to conclude from such a comparison that scientific disparity exists =<br>
>> between=20<br>
>> them because the magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists
>> and =<br>
>> <br>
>> illustrators" =E2=80=94 this artwork was intended to enhance
>> editorial =<br>
>> material rather=20<br>
>> than to illustrate research.</P><br>
>> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Such conceptual
>> illustrations =<br>
>> are designed=20<br>
>> to pose questions. Their use on the cover of a science magazine
>> offers =<br>
>> the=20<br>
>> promise of articles that inform these questions. The cover art of the
>> =<br>
>> 30=20<br>
>> January 2003 issue of <I minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</I>
>> (see figure) =<br>
>> and the=20<br>
>> related News and Views and Letter (<A =<br>
>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a</a>"=20<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Di =<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</SPAN><SPAN=20<br>
>> class=3Db minmax_bound=3D"true"> 421</SPAN>,
>> 489=E2=80=93490; =<br>
>> 2003</A> & <A=20<br>
>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359</a>"
>> =<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Di=20<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</SPAN><SPAN class=3Db=20<br>
>> minmax_bound=3D"true"> 421</SPAN>, 530=E2=80=93533;
>> 2003</A>) =<br>
>> follow this=20<br>
>> convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself; that
>> is =<br>
>> not its=20<br>
>> intended application. Furthermore, the choice of digital medium, =<br>
>> whether used=20<br>
>> by the hand of a scientist or the hand of an artist, has no bearing
>> on =<br>
>> this=20<br>
>> question.</P><br>
>> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Scientific illustration
>> follows =<br>
>> a different=20<br>
>> mandate, and it can often be found within the pages of the very =<br>
>> magazines=20<br>
>> under discussion. These drawings outline structure and clarify
>> detail, =<br>
>> as=20<br>
>> required by the subject and requested by the researcher. Because
>> they=20<br>
>> communicate subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language, =<br>
>> scientific=20<br>
>> illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in precise=20<br>
>> communication (see <I minmax_bound=3D"true">The Guild Handbook
>> of =<br>
>> Scientific=20<br>
>> Illustration,</I> edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand
>> Reinhold, =<br>
>> 1989).</P><br>
>> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Scientific illustration
>> is a =<br>
>> clearly defined=20<br>
>> field that benefits from active collaboration between scientist and=20<br>
>> illustrator. Using their professional observational skills,
>> scientific =<br>
>> <br>
>> illustrators strive to render the most accurate representation of =<br>
>> their=20<br>
>> subject. It is, by definition, art in the service of science. The act
>> =<br>
>> of=20<br>
>> drawing is, in essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted =<br>
>> details=20<br>
>> miss this important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to =<br>
>> eliminate=20<br>
>> non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is =<br>
>> smoothed out.=20<br>
>> The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and
>> discoloration =<br>
>> may be=20<br>
>> removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a way chosen to amplify =<br>
>> those=20<br>
>> details that require emphasis.</P><br>
>> <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Scientific illustrations,
>> even =<br>
>> conceptual=20<br>
>> cover art, should be as accurate as possible. However, Ottino's =<br>
>> proposal to=20<br>
>> establish rules governing the use of realistic rendering techniques
>> is =<br>
>> <br>
>> superfluous. Professional standards are already in place for =<br>
>> scientific=20<br>
>> illustration. Magazine editors recognize that their educated =<br>
>> readership can=20<br>
>> distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept and the current =<br>
>> state of=20<br>
>> scientific research. Scientific illustrations exist within this =<br>
>> context. They=20<br>
>> communicate with and within conventions that reach back in time from =<br>
>> this=20<br>
>> issue of <I minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</I> to the pages
>> of Galileo's =<br>
>> <br>
>> notebooks.<BR></P><br>
>> <P class=3Dnorm
>> minmax_bound=3D"true">-frank<BR></P><BR><br>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE=20<br>
>> =<br>
>> cite=<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>
>> =<br>
>> <br>
>> type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Okay, I just emailed an
>> incredibly long =<br>
>> rant about science illustration and Nature Journal that I think got
>> lost =<br>
>> in cyberspace!<br>
>> <br>
>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article in =<br>
>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The =<br>
>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?" =<br>
>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>> Julio =<br>
>> M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied Science, =<br>
>> Northwestern University.<br>
>> <br>
>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today is
>> =<br>
>> "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>> <br>
>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>> <br>
>> </PRE><br>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">From: Joan Lee
>> <A =<br>
>> class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =<br>
>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&g=<br>
>> t;</A><br>
>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>> To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></A><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!----><br>
>> </PRE><br>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">On Aug 11,
>> 2008, at 11:28 =<br>
>> AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> </PRE><br>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D""> it is a
>> nice prop in an =<br>
>> important publication. though the basic =20<br>
>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the =<br>
>> sciences, =20<br>
>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the =20<br>
>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual =20<br>
>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... =20<br>
>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our =20<br>
>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the author =20<br>
>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and =20<br>
>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have once =20<br>
>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions actual
>> =20<br>
>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal restorations)
>> =20<br>
>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this =20<br>
>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real science =20<br>
>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to =20<br>
>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI typically =20<br>
>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been
>> =20<br>
>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or =20<br>
>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>> <br>
>> -frank<br>
>> </PRE><br>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Hey, hey,
>> hey! I got my =<br>
>> copy of the Nature article and I didn't even =20<br>
>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just =20<br>
>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>> <br>
>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't =20<br>
>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was
>> =20<br>
>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the =20<br>
>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning.<br>
>> <br>
>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>> <br>
>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> </PRE><br>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">From:
>> gretchen =<br>
>> halpert <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =<br>
>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=<br>
>> ></A><br>
>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>> To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></A><br>
>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><br>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Hi
>> all,Here are two =<br>
>> links of interest:<br>
>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the =20<br>
>> conference under July =20<br>
>> 24th: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural</a>"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http:=">http:=</a><br>
>> //gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural</A>-=20<br>
>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>> <br>
>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best =20<br>
>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a =20<br>
>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference =20<br>
>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the =20<br>
>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20</a><br>
>> 454278a.html<br>
>> <br>
>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the =20<br>
>> tiara.)Elmira, <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
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>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=<br>
>> </A><br>
>> <br>
>> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE
>> wrap=3D"">--=20<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
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>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></A><br>
>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
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>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></A><br>
>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></A=<br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>>
>> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE
>> wrap=3D""><!----><br>
>> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><PRE
>> class=3Dmoz-signature cols=3D"72">--=20<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>> NY NY 10024<br>
>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
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>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></A> =<br>
>> <br>
>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></A=<br>
>>
>>> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><br>
>>>
>> <br>
>> ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C8FBDC.65450C60--<br>
>> <br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:00:16 -0400<br>
>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> ------=_Part_102838_16911785.1218499216896<br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit<br>
>> Content-Disposition: inline<br>
>> <br>
>> Hi all,Well, I really didn't mean to start a discussion with the
>> notice, but<br>
>> I'm not surprised. What happened was that the journal/writer saw our
>> website<br>
>> on the conference and wanted to write an article about it. It was an<br>
>> overview highlighting what the journal found interesting, extracted
>>
> >from a<br>
>
>> lot of information I and others gave them. I would have loved to have<br>
>> written the article myself, with more specifics about the field, but it<br>
>> wouldn't have been published. They included the GNSI website, so
>> hopefully<br>
>> those interested will look us up and find out about scientific
>> illustration<br>
>> in more depth.<br>
>> I'm happy Nature took an interest and who knows....perhaps it will lead
>> some<br>
>> scientists to the GNSI website and to Science-Art.com and someone will
>> get<br>
>> some work.....<br>
>> Best,<br>
>> Gretchen<br>
>> <br>
>> Gretchen Halpert<br>
>> illustrator, educator<br>
>> gretchen.halpert(at)gmail.com<br>
>> <br>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mieke Roth <<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> Hi all,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should be
>>>
>> grateful<br>
>>
>>> that<br>
>>> we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and it is
>>>
>> getting<br>
>>
>>> more and more important to be able to visualize scientific fact
>>>
>> and data.<br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>> I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact that
>>>
>> the<br>
>>
>>> profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a serious
>>>
>> magazine<br>
>>
>>> or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it means
>>>
>> that we<br>
>>
>>> still have some work to do, pr wise.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Mieke<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br>
>>
>>> Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never
>>>
>> happened before<br>
>>
>>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I
>>>
>> understand<br>
>>
>>> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a
>>>
>> prestigious<br>
>>
>>> journal.<br>
>>> Lynn<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the
>>>>
>> basic<br>
>>
>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>>
>> sciences,<br>
>>
>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>>>>
>> the<br>
>>
>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>>>>
>> actual<br>
>>
>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures...<br>
>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to
>>>>
>> our<br>
>>
>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>>>
>> author<br>
>>
>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>>>>
>> guesses, and<br>
>>
>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may
>>>>
>> have once<br>
>>
>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>>>>
>> mentions actual<br>
>>
>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>
>> restorations)<br>
>>
>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>>>>
>> this<br>
>>
>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>>
>> science<br>
>>
>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>>>>
>> room to<br>
>>
>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>>
>> typically<br>
>>
>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>>>>
>> have been<br>
>>
>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>>>>
>> Nature or<br>
>>
>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -frank<br>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>>>>>
>> didn't even<br>
>>
>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>>>>>
>> distance, just<br>
>>
>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that
>>>>>
>> you didn't<br>
>>
>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs
>>>>>
>> $32.00 and it was<br>
>>
>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>>>>>
>> write to the<br>
>>
>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>>
>> morning.<br>
>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>>>>>>
>> report of the<br>
>>
>>>>>> conference under July<br>
>>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a><br>
>>
>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>>>>>>
>> Nature. Your best<br>
>>
>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library
>>>>>>
>> unless you have a<br>
>>
>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before
>>>>>>
>> the conference<br>
>>
>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the<br>
>>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a><br>
>>
>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you
>>>>>>
>> the<br>
>>
>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> href="http://www.productionpost.com" target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/" target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>>
>> <br>
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>> <br>
>> <div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div>Well, I really didn't mean to
>> start a discussion with the notice, but I'm not surprised. What
>> happened was that the journal/writer saw our website on the conference
>> and wanted to write an article about it. It was an overview
>> highlighting what the journal found interesting, extracted from a lot
>> of information I and others gave them. I would have loved to have
>> written the article myself, with more specifics about the field, but it
>> wouldn't have been published. They included the GNSI website, so
>> hopefully those interested will look us up and find out about
>> scientific illustration in more depth. </div><br>
>> <div>I'm happy Nature took an interest and who knows....perhaps
>> it will lead some scientists to the GNSI website and to Science-Art.com
>> and someone will get some
>> work.....</div><div>Best,</div><div>Gretchen</div><div><br>
>> <br></div><div>Gretchen
>> Halpert</div><div>illustrator,
>> educator</div><div>gretchen.halpert(at)<a href="<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">http://gmail.com</a>">gmail.com</a><br><br><div
>> class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mieke Roth
>> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a>></span>
>> wrote:<br><br>
>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
>> .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi all,<br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should be grateful
>> that<br><br>
>> we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and it is
>> getting<br><br>
>> more and more important to be able to visualize scientific fact and
>> data.<br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact that
>> the<br><br>
>> profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a serious
>> magazine<br><br>
>> or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it means that
>> we<br><br>
>> still have some work to do, pr wise.<br><br>
>> <font color="#888888"><br><br>
>> Mieke<br><br>
>> </font><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br><br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>> Illustration-<br><br>
>> </div><div><div></div><div
>> class="Wj3C7c">[mailto:<a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a>]
>> On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br><br>
>> Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never happened
>> before<br><br>
>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I
>> understand<br><br>
>> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a
>> prestigious<br><br>
>> journal.<br><br>
>> Lynn<br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br><br>
>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>> Illustration-<br><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a>]
>> On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br><br>
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br><br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br><br>
>> <br><br>
>> > it is a nice prop in an important publication.
>> though the basic<br><br>
>> > sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>> sciences, <br><br>
>> > I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>> the<br><br>
>> > aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>> actual<br><br>
>> > science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>> creatures...<br><br>
>> > inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice
>> sidebar to our<br><br>
>> > profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>> author<br><br>
>> > then quotes Warren Allmon description of "...
>> inspired guesses, and<br><br>
>> > artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>> once<br><br>
>> > looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where
>> he mentions actual<br><br>
>> > paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>> restorations)<br><br>
>> > is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>> this<br><br>
>> > keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>> science<br><br>
>> > illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>> room to<br><br>
>> > mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>> typically<br><br>
>> > focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>> have been<br><br>
>> > expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>> Nature or<br><br>
>> > Science I am expecting an article written for
>> scientists.<br><br>
>> ><br><br>
>> > -frank<br><br>
>> >> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and
>> I didn't even<br><br>
>> >> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>> distance, just<br><br>
>> >> the so-called "rush hour" traffic
>> that lasts all day).<br><br>
>> >><br><br>
>> >> I've been looking at the link for a time and found
>> that you didn't<br><br>
>> >> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs
>> $32.00 and it was<br><br>
>> >> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>> write to the<br><br>
>> >> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy
>> this morning.<br><br>
>> >><br><br>
>> >> It was well worth the wait folks!<br><br>
>> >><br><br>
>> >> Janet P. Wilkins<br><br>
>> >><br><br>
>> >><br><br>
>> >>> From: gretchen halpert <<a
>> href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a>><br><br>
>> >>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br><br>
>> >>> To: <a href="mailto:<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br><br>
>> >>> Subject: [SCIART] conference
>> publicity<br><br>
>> >>><br><br>
>> >><br><br>
>> >>> Hi all,Here are two links of
>> interest:<br><br>
>> >>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a
>> very nice report of the<br><br>
>> >>> conference under July<br><br>
>> >>> 24th: <a href="<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a>"
>> target="_blank"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-</a></a><br><br>
>> >>> science-illustrators.html<br><br>
>> >>><br><br>
>> >>> The second is an article that was in the
>> Journal Nature. Your best<br><br>
>> >>> bet for reading it is from a university
>> library unless you have a<br><br>
>> >>> subscription. The article came out the week
>> before the conference<br><br>
>> >>> and was posted on the bulletin board at
>> the<br><br>
>> >>> registration.<a href="<a
>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>"
>> target="_blank"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a></a><br><br>
>> >>> 454278a.html<br><br>
>> >>><br><br>
>> >>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br><br>
>> >>> The Ithaca conference committee
>> rocks!<br><br>
>> >>> Cheers,Gretchen<br><br>
>> >>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I
>> owe you the<br><br>
>> >>> tiara.)Elmira, <a href="mailto:<a
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>> >><br><br>
>> ><br><br>
>> ><br><br>
>> > --<br><br>
>> ><br><br>
>> ><br><br>
>> > Frank Ippolito<br><br>
>> > Principal Scientific Assistant<br><br>
>> > Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br><br>
>> > American Museum of Natural History<br><br>
>> > Central Park West at 79th Street<br><br>
>> > NY NY
>> 10024<br><br>
>> > (212) 769-5812<br><br>
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>> ------------------------------<br>
>> <br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:17:35 -0400<br>
>> From: Lynn Usack <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>> <br>
>> Thank you Gretchen, I appreciate your clarification. <br>
>> I can see that sentiments are strong, as the profession needs and<br>
>> deserves more respect and recognition. I'll restate that I am grateful<br>
>> for the publicity, especially because it includes the link to the GNSI<br>
>> site, where people can learn much more. It is an opportunity, even if it<br>
>> does not satisfy everyone's ideas on what Nature should have covered. I<br>
>> didn't expect the additional conversation but I can see their points<br>
>> too. I just prefer at this point to see the positive side of this. As<br>
>> for Mieke's comments, yes, I agree, you have more work to do. I'll leave<br>
>> it there, let's move on. <br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Lynn <br>
>> <br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:03 pm<br>
>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>> <br>
>>
>>> Hi all,Well, I really didn't mean to start a discussion with the <br>
>>> notice, but<br>
>>> I'm not surprised. What happened was that the journal/writer saw <br>
>>> our website<br>
>>> on the conference and wanted to write an article about it. It was
>>>
>> an<br>
>>
>>> overview highlighting what the journal found interesting,
>>>
>> extracted <br>
>>
>>> from a<br>
>>> lot of information I and others gave them. I would have loved to
>>>
>> have<br>
>>
>>> written the article myself, with more specifics about the field, <br>
>>> but it<br>
>>> wouldn't have been published. They included the GNSI website, so <br>
>>> hopefullythose interested will look us up and find out about <br>
>>> scientific illustration<br>
>>> in more depth.<br>
>>> I'm happy Nature took an interest and who knows....perhaps it will
>>>
>> <br>
>>
>>> lead some<br>
>>> scientists to the GNSI website and to Science-Art.com and someone <br>
>>> will get<br>
>>> some work.....<br>
>>> Best,<br>
>>> Gretchen<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Gretchen Halpert<br>
>>> illustrator, educator<br>
>>> gretchen.halpert(at)gmail.com<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mieke Roth <<a
>>>
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br>
>>
>>> <br>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should
>>>>
>> be <br>
>>
>>> grateful> that<br>
>>>
>>>> we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and
>>>>
>> it is <br>
>>
>>> getting> more and more important to be able to visualize
>>>
>> scientific <br>
>>
>>> fact and data.<br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact
>>>>
>> <br>
>>
>>> that the<br>
>>>
>>>> profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a <br>
>>>>
>>> serious magazine<br>
>>>
>>>> or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it
>>>>
>> means <br>
>>
>>> that we<br>
>>>
>>>> still have some work to do, pr wise.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Mieke<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>>>>
>> Illustration-<br>
>>
>>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br>
>>
>>>> Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never <br>
>>>>
>>> happened before<br>
>>>
>>>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I
>>>>
>> <br>
>>
>>> understand> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press
>>>
>> in <br>
>>
>>> such a prestigious<br>
>>>
>>>> journal.<br>
>>>> Lynn<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>>>>
>> Illustration-<br>
>>
>>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>]
>> On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though
>>>>>
>> the basic<br>
>>
>>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within
>>>>>
>> the <br>
>>
>>> sciences,> > I do wish that the author hadn't repeated
>>>
>> returned <br>
>>
>>> focus on the<br>
>>>
>>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do
>>>>>
>> with actual<br>
>>
>>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>>>>>
>> creatures...<br>
>>
>>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice
>>>>>
>> sidebar to our<br>
>>
>>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but
>>>>>
>> the <br>
>>
>>> author> > then quotes Warren Allmon description of "...
>>>
>> inspired <br>
>>
>>> guesses, and<br>
>>>
>>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals
>>>>>
>> may have <br>
>>
>>> once> > looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where
>>>
>> he <br>
>>
>>> mentions actual<br>
>>>
>>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>>
>> <br>
>>
>>> restorations)> > is left out. he then mentions Jame's
>>>
>> Gurney's <br>
>>
>>> Dinotopia talk. this<br>
>>>
>>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about
>>>>>
>> real <br>
>>
>>> science> > illustration. all this in a one page article
>>>
>> leaves <br>
>>
>>> little room to<br>
>>>
>>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what
>>>>>
>> GNSI <br>
>>
>>> typically> > focuses on during a conference. in Omni
>>>
>> magazine this <br>
>>
>>> would have been<br>
>>>
>>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such
>>>>>
>> as <br>
>>
>>> Nature or<br>
>>>
>>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> -frank<br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article
>>>>>>
>> and I <br>
>>
>>> didn't even<br>
>>>
>>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>>>>>>
>> distance, <br>
>>
>>> just> >> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all
>>>
>> day).<br>
>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found
>>>>>>
>> that you <br>
>>
>>> didn't> >> need to subscribe, however, the article still
>>>
>> costs <br>
>>
>>> $32.00 and it was<br>
>>>
>>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>>>>>>
>> write to the<br>
>>
>>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy
>>>>>>
>> this morning.<br>
>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a
>>>>>>>
>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>
>>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very
>>>>>>>
>> nice report <br>
>>
>>> of the<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> conference under July<br>
>>>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-"
>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-</a><br>
>>
>>> natural-<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>>>>>>>
>> Nature. Your <br>
>>
>>> best> >>> bet for reading it is from a university
>>>
>> library unless <br>
>>
>>> you have a<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week
>>>>>>>
>> before the <br>
>>
>>> conference> >>> and was posted on the bulletin board
>>>
>> at the<br>
>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>
>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/</a>>
>> <br>
>>
>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe
>>>>>>>
>> you the<br>
>>
>>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>> NY NY 10024<br>
>>>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
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>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>> <br>
>>>
>> <br>
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