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Re: SCIART-L Digest - 10 Aug 2008 to 11 Aug 2008 (#2008-204)

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You can also buy them in various sizes, from a small cigar size to slim  
jims. (No, I don't smoke.)
They are fairly cheap and last a long time. Joan

On Aug 12, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Vera Wong wrote:

> A brief description works too: A small stick of tightly-rolled paper,  
> pointed at the end, used to smudge graphite in a controlled way. There  
> are two versions (may have different names, can't remember which is  
> which): one is a tightly rolled cylinder of soft paper that is  
> sharpened as with a pencil sharpener. The other is a hollow tightly  
> rolled cone of paper, that is pointed due to the way it was rolled.  
> Both made with a soft but tough paper. Keeps your fingers a bit  
> cleaner, and your skin oils off the paper.
>
> I call 'em "smudgers".
>
> A great question for SciArt Trivia game.
>
> -vera
>
> Janet Wilkins wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Frank is being "cute" cause it's also called a "stump." Here's a site  
>> where you can see what it is.
>>
>> http://share3.esd105.wednet.edu/sotelops/tortillion.htm
>>
>> Janet
>>
>>
>>> From: chris gralapp <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: 2008/08/12 Tue PM 02:00:51 CDT
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] SCIART-L Digest - 10 Aug 2008 to 11 Aug 2008  
>>> (#2008-204)
>>>
>>
>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>> <html>
>>> <head>
>>>  <meta content="text/html;charset=windows-1252"
>>> http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>> </head>
>>> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>> Wow!  what's a tortillion?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Chris<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Kenneth Williams wrote:
>>> <blockquote cite="mid:[log in to unmask]"
>>> type="cite">
>>>  <style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style>
>>>  <div
>>> style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:  
>>> 12pt;">Hi,<br>
>>> I am Kenneth Williams, fisheries specialist and science illustrator  
>>> at
>>> Langston Univ. <br>
>>> in central Oklahoma. Someone a couple of weeks ago was interested in
>>> insect drawings.  <br>
>>> I happen to be working on some now for an article I am writing. <br>
>>> They can be viewed at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"  
>>> href="http://www2.luresext.edu/aquaculture/kw.htm.They">http:// 
>>> www2.luresext.edu/aquaculture/kw.htm.They</a>
>>> are thumbnails <br>
>>> you can click on for a larger image. All are drawn in graphite, most
>>> with pencil <br>
>>> and tortillion; some with a paint brush and graphite in places. The
>>> website works best <br>
>>> in microsoft explorer. It gets a bit disoriented in other browsers  
>>> but
>>> things work.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <div> </div>
>>> Kenneth Williams<br>
>>> Fisheries Extension Specialist<br>
>>> Langston University Aquaculture Program<br>
>>> 405. 466. 6106
>>>  <div><br>
>>>  </div>
>>>  <div
>>> style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:  
>>> 12pt;"><br>
>>>  <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:  
>>> 13px;">-----
>>> Original Message ----<br>
>>> From: SCIART-L automatic digest system <a  
>>> class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"  
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]"><[log in to unmask]></a><br>
>>> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"  
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:00:25 AM<br>
>>> Subject: SCIART-L Digest - 10 Aug 2008 to 11 Aug 2008 (#2008-204)<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> There are 18 messages totalling 2777 lines in this issue.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Topics of the day:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   1. PDF file size (3)<br>
>>>   2. conference publicity (14)<br>
>>>   3. question<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> -<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:41:00 +0200<br>
>>> From:    Mieke Roth <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"  
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: PDF file size<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Hi Geoff,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Did you try to make it work with InDesign? Although I sometimes use
>>> other<br>
>>> programs to make pdf's it is really the most practical program to  
>>> get a<br>
>>> managable pdf. The advantage is also that you are able to incorporate
>>> files<br>
>>>
>> >from different programs without losing the ability to edit them in  
>> that<br>
>>
>>> program.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Mieke <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson<br>
>>> Sent: zondag 10 augustus 2008 22:35<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Dear David,<br>
>>>           That's what I was doing but the files sizes were still  
>>> much<br>
>>> larger than .pdfs containing similar images printed as a pdf from  
>>> Word
>>> and<br>
>>> the image quality was terrible. <br>
>>> I guess the Illustrator compatibility or some other settings are
>>> keeping the<br>
>>> file size big?<br>
>>> Geoff<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of DAVID W. EHLERT<br>
>>> Sent: Monday, 11 August 2008 2:24 AM<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Hey Geoff,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> If you open a high quality PDF in Acrobat, you can then go to
>>> ADVANCED> PDF<br>
>>> Optimizer. Play with the settings to get what you need in terms of  
>>> file<br>
>>> size.<br>
>>> Save the file with a new name, e.g. oldfilename_a.pdf<br>
>>> Hope that helps. :)<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Cheers!<br>
>>> Dave<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Geoff Thompson wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> Dear All,<br>
>>>>     I have been saving PDFs in Illustrator CS3 and Acrobat 8<br>
>>>> Professional. The files sizes are a lot bigger than if I print a
>>>>
>>> similar<br>
>>>
>>>> file, containing the same images, as an Adobe PDF from Word. I
>>>>
>>> have tried<br>
>>>
>>>> optimising the files but I lose a lot of quality in photos and the
>>>>
>>> files<br>
>>> are<br>
>>>
>>>> still a lot bigger than if they were made from a different
>>>>
>>> program. My<br>
>>> boss<br>
>>>
>>>> has my old CS creative suite and her version of Acrobat
>>>>
>>> Professional has a<br>
>>>
>>>> function (I can't remember its name) that reduces file size
>>>>
>>> without losing<br>
>>>
>>>> noticeable image quality. This is not available in my version and
>>>>
>>> in any<br>
>>>
>>>> case was greyed out on a file made in Illustrator CS3.<br>
>>>> What am I doing wrong and what options do I have to get good
>>>>
>>> quality<br>
>>> images<br>
>>>
>>>> in a smaller file size?<br>
>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>     Geoff Thompson<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:19:36 +1000<br>
>>> From:    Geoff Thompson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: PDF file size<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Thanks Mieke,<br>
>>>             We had a long meeting and I didn't get to it. I did try
>>> making<br>
>>> the same material into a PDF (without the headings) and it came out  
>>> at
>>> about<br>
>>> 300KB with great quality images and text, instead of about 3MB. I  
>>> don't<br>
>>> understand why Illustrator makes such huge PDFs and when I tried to
>>> optimise<br>
>>> them there is a marked loss of quality in text and images at  
>>> 1.5MB.<br>
>>> Seems crazy!<br>
>>> Will try and have a go with InDesign tomorrow at work.<br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>> Geoff<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Mieke Roth<br>
>>> Sent: Monday, 11 August 2008 6:41 PM<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Hi Geoff,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Did you try to make it work with InDesign? Although I sometimes use
>>> other<br>
>>> programs to make pdf's it is really the most practical program to  
>>> get a<br>
>>> managable pdf. The advantage is also that you are able to incorporate
>>> files<br>
>>>
>> >from different programs without losing the ability to edit them in  
>> that<br>
>>
>>> program.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Mieke <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:49:58 -0500<br>
>>> From:    Janet Wilkins <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I didn't even
>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just  
>>> the
>>> so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't  
>>> need
>>> to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was just
>>> one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the library  
>>> at
>>> Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning. <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>
>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the
>>>>
>>> conference under July 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural- 
>>> science-illustrators.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-science-illustrators.html</a><br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best
>>>>
>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a
>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference and
>>> was posted on the bulletin board at the registration.<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/ 
>>> 454278a.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/454278a.html</a><br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the
>>>>
>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:28:27 -0400<br>
>>> From:    Frank Ippolito <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"  
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<br>
>>> --------------060907080205030401050701<br>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br>
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic <br>
>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the sciences,  
>>>  I
>>>  <br>
>>> do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the  
>>> aspects <br>
>>> seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual science <br>
>>> illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... inspired by  
>>> the <br>
>>> anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our profession. on its
>>> own <br>
>>> it would have served as such. but the author then quotes Warren  
>>> Allmon <br>
>>> description of "... inspired guesses, and artistic creativity to  
>>> form a
>>>  <br>
>>> picture of what animals may have once looked like." all the part's  
>>> of <br>
>>> Warren's talk where he mentions actual paleontological illustration
>>> (and <br>
>>> not popularized animal restorations) is left out. he then mentions  
>>> <br>
>>> Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this keynote was interesting and <br>
>>> entertaining but not about real science illustration. all this in a  
>>> one
>>>  <br>
>>> page article leaves little room to mention what science illustration  
>>> <br>
>>> really is and what GNSI typically focuses on during a conference. in  
>>> <br>
>>> Omni magazine this would have been expected. I guess when I see
>>> writings <br>
>>> in journals such as Nature or Science I am expecting an article  
>>> written
>>>  <br>
>>> for scientists.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I didn't
>>>>
>>> even need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>>> just the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't
>>>>
>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was
>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the
>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning. <br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>
>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>     <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of
>>>>>
>>> the conference under July 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural- 
>>> science-illustrators.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-science-illustrators.html</a><br>
>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your
>>>>>
>>> best bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have  
>>> a
>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference and
>>> was posted on the bulletin board at the registration.<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/ 
>>> 454278a.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/454278a.html</a><br>
>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the
>>>>>
>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>     <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -- <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a> <br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a> <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> --------------060907080205030401050701<br>
>>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8<br>
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><br>
>>> <html><br>
>>> <head><br>
>>>   <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8"
>>> http-equiv="Content-Type"><br>
>>>   <title></title><br>
>>> </head><br>
>>> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"><br>
>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic<br>
>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the  
>>> sciences,  I<br>
>>> do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the  
>>> aspects<br>
>>> seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual science<br>
>>> illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures... inspired by  
>>> the<br>
>>> anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our profession. on  
>>> its<br>
>>> own it would have served as such. but the author then quotes  
>>> Warren<br>
>>> Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and artistic creativity  
>>> to<br>
>>> form a picture of what animals may have once looked like." all  
>>> the<br>
>>> part's of Warren's talk where he mentions actual paleontological<br>
>>> illustration (and not popularized animal restorations) is left out.  
>>> he<br>
>>> then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this keynote was<br>
>>> interesting and entertaining but not about real science  
>>> illustration.<br>
>>> all this in a one page article leaves little room to mention what<br>
>>> science illustration really is and what GNSI typically focuses on<br>
>>> during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been expected.  
>>> I<br>
>>> guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or Science I  
>>> am<br>
>>> expecting an article written for scientists.<br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> -frank<br><br>
>>> <blockquote<br>
>>> cite="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">m 
>>> [log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"<br>
>>> type="cite"><br>
>>>   <pre wrap="">Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article
>>> and I didn't even need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive  
>>> for
>>> distance, just the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all  
>>> day).<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't  
>>> need
>>> to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was just
>>> one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the library  
>>> at
>>> Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning. <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   </pre><br>
>>>   <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>>>     <pre wrap="">From: gretchen halpert <a
>>> class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>">&lt;<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></a><br>
>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>     </pre><br>
>>>   </blockquote><br>
>>>   <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
>>>   </pre><br>
>>>   <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>>>     <pre wrap="">Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the
>>> conference under July 24th: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"  
>>> href="<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural- 
>>> science-illustrators.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-science-illustrators.html</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural- 
>>> science-illustrators.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-science-illustrators.html</a></a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best  
>>> bet
>>> for reading it is from a university library unless you have a
>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference and
>>> was posted on the bulletin board at the registration.<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/ 
>>> 454278a.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/454278a.html</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the  
>>> tiara.)Elmira,
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></ 
>>> a><br>
>>>     </pre><br>
>>>   </blockquote><br>
>>>   <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
>>>   </pre><br>
>>> </blockquote><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a> <br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a> <br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></a>
>>> </pre><br>
>>> </body><br>
>>> </html><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> --------------060907080205030401050701--<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:31:29 -0400<br>
>>> From:    duboisworks <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: question<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I'm looking for a writer/historian of NY to do the scholarship for a
>>> book I'm putting together.Does anyone have a recommendation or
>>> suggestion?<br>
>>> Thanks<br>
>>> Ann<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.duboisartgallery.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.duboisartgallery.com</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ________________________________________<br>
>>> PeoplePC Online<br>
>>> A better way to Internet<br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.peoplepc.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.peoplepc.com</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:42:58 -0400<br>
>>> From:    Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>   it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic
>>>>
>>> =20<br>
>>>
>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>>
>>> sciences,=A0 =<br>
>>> =20<br>
>>>
>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the  
>>>> =20<br>
>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual
>>>>
>>> =20<br>
>>>
>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures...  
>>>> =20<br>
>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our
>>>>
>>> =20<br>
>>>
>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>>>
>>> author =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses,
>>>>
>>> and =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>>>>
>>> once =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions
>>>>
>>> actual =<br>
>>> =20<br>
>>>
>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>
>>> restorations) =<br>
>>> =20<br>
>>>
>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this
>>>>
>>> =20<br>
>>>
>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>>
>>> science =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to
>>>>
>>> =20<br>
>>>
>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>>
>>> typically =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have
>>>>
>>> been =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature
>>>>
>>> or =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   -frank<br>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>>>>>
>>> didn't even =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>>>>>
>>> just =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you
>>>>>
>>> didn't =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and
>>>>>
>>> it was =<br>
>>> =20<br>
>>>
>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to
>>>>>
>>> the =20<br>
>>>
>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>>
>>> morning.<br>
>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>
>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>>>>>>
>>> report of the =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> conference under July =20<br>
>>>>>> 24th:=A0<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural- 
>>> =20="
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-=20=</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature.
>>>>>>
>>> Your best =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you
>>>>>>
>>> have a =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>>>>>>
>>> conference =20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the =20<br>
>>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20="
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/=20=</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the
>>>>>>
>>> =20<br>
>>>
>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> --=20<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>   Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>   Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>   American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>   Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>   NY    NY    10024<br>
>>>>   (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>>>
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>>>
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:52:42 -0500<br>
>>> From:    Janet Wilkins <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science  
>>> illustration
>>> and Nature Journal that I think got lost in cyberspace!<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article in
>>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The
>>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?"
>>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>>> Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied
>>> Science, Northwestern University.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today  
>>> is
>>> "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>><br>
>>>
>>>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>>   it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the
>>>>>
>>> basic  <br>
>>>
>>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>>>
>>> sciences,   <br>
>>>
>>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>>>>>
>>> the  <br>
>>>
>>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>>>>>
>>> actual  <br>
>>>
>>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>>>>>
>>> creatures...  <br>
>>>
>>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to
>>>>>
>>> our  <br>
>>>
>>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>>>>
>>> author  <br>
>>>
>>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>>>>>
>>> guesses, and  <br>
>>>
>>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>>>>>
>>> once  <br>
>>>
>>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>>>>>
>>> mentions actual  <br>
>>>
>>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>>
>>> restorations)  <br>
>>>
>>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>>>>>
>>> this  <br>
>>>
>>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>>>
>>> science  <br>
>>>
>>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>>>>>
>>> room to  <br>
>>>
>>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>>>
>>> typically  <br>
>>>
>>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>>>>>
>>> have been  <br>
>>>
>>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>>>>>
>>> Nature or  <br>
>>>
>>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>   -frank<br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>>>>>>
>>> didn't even  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>>>>>>
>>> distance, just  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that
>>>>>>
>>> you didn't  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00
>>>>>>
>>> and it was  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write
>>>>>>
>>> to the  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>>>
>>> morning.<br>
>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>
>>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>>>>>>>
>>> report of the  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> conference under July  <br>
>>>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-</a>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>>>>>>>
>>> Nature. Your best  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless
>>>>>>>
>>> you have a  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>>>>>>>
>>> conference  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the  <br>
>>>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/</a>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you
>>>>>>>
>>> the  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> -- <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>   Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>>   Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>>   Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>>   American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>>   Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>>   NY    NY    10024<br>
>>>>>   (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>>
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:56:36 -0400<br>
>>> From:    Lynn Usack <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never happened
>>> before<br>
>>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I  
>>> understand<br>
>>> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a  
>>> prestigious<br>
>>> journal.<br>
>>> Lynn<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>   it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic   
>>>> <br>
>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>>
>>> sciences,   <br>
>>>
>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the   
>>>> <br>
>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual   
>>>> <br>
>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures...  <br>
>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>>>
>>> author  <br>
>>>
>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses,
>>>>
>>> and  <br>
>>>
>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>>>>
>>> once  <br>
>>>
>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions
>>>>
>>> actual  <br>
>>>
>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>
>>> restorations)  <br>
>>>
>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>>>>
>>> this  <br>
>>>
>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>>
>>> science  <br>
>>>
>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room
>>>>
>>> to  <br>
>>>
>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>>
>>> typically  <br>
>>>
>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have
>>>>
>>> been  <br>
>>>
>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature
>>>>
>>> or  <br>
>>>
>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   -frank<br>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>>>>>
>>> didn't even  <br>
>>>
>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>>>>>
>>> just  <br>
>>>
>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you
>>>>>
>>> didn't  <br>
>>>
>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and
>>>>>
>>> it was  <br>
>>>
>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to
>>>>>
>>> the  <br>
>>>
>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>>
>>> morning.<br>
>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>
>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>>>>>>
>>> report of the  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> conference under July  <br>
>>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-</a>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature.
>>>>>>
>>> Your best  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you
>>>>>>
>>> have a  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>>>>>>
>>> conference  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the  <br>
>>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/</a>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the  <br>
>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -- <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>   Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>   Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>   American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>   Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>   NY    NY    10024<br>
>>>>   (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>>>
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>>>
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:58:37 -0700<br>
>>> From:    Deb Haines <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: PDF file size<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Geoff..<br>
>>> You need to check your Illustrator settings.  See what your print
>>> output is at (1200 dpi, 600dpi, etc.) <br>
>>> Make sure that you have all your colors converted to CMYK if you are
>>> sending the file out for printing. Otherwise you<br>
>>> should make sure that both profiles are included in case you are  
>>> using
>>> RGB images/colors.  <br>
>>> I always print to PDF that way I can pre-flight (optimize my settings
>>> in advance).  As others have already<br>
>>> recommended you can "optimize" after the fact but you do need to set
>>> your selections and there is no guarantee<br>
>>> on output qualiity.  Typically the optimize is used for web and to
>>> reduce files for attachment and review. I would not necessarily
>>> optimize for a final print job.   If the file it to large for
>>> attachement I was request an FTP site to upload<br>
>>> the file. <br>
>>> Does this help?<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Deb<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> DK Haines Illustrations & Design <br>
>>> 4906 Skyline Drive • Knoxville, TN 37914 <br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a> <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ----- Original Message ----<br>
>>> From: Mieke Roth <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"  
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 4:41:00 AM<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Hi Geoff,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Did you try to make it work with InDesign? Although I sometimes use
>>> other<br>
>>> programs to make pdf's it is really the most practical program to  
>>> get a<br>
>>> managable pdf. The advantage is also that you are able to incorporate
>>> files<br>
>>>
>> >from different programs without losing the ability to edit them in  
>> that<br>
>>
>>> program.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Mieke <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson<br>
>>> Sent: zondag 10 augustus 2008 22:35<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Dear David,<br>
>>>           That's what I was doing but the files sizes were still
>>> much<br>
>>> larger than .pdfs containing similar images printed as a pdf from  
>>> Word
>>> and<br>
>>> the image quality was terrible. <br>
>>> I guess the Illustrator compatibility or some other settings are
>>> keeping the<br>
>>> file size big?<br>
>>> Geoff<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of DAVID W. EHLERT<br>
>>> Sent: Monday, 11 August 2008 2:24 AM<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] PDF file size<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Hey Geoff,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> If you open a high quality PDF in Acrobat, you can then go to
>>> ADVANCED> PDF<br>
>>> Optimizer. Play with the settings to get what you need in terms of  
>>> file<br>
>>> size.<br>
>>> Save the file with a new name, e.g. oldfilename_a.pdf<br>
>>> Hope that helps. :)<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Cheers!<br>
>>> Dave<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Geoff Thompson wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> Dear All,<br>
>>>>     I have been saving PDFs in Illustrator CS3 and Acrobat 8<br>
>>>> Professional. The files sizes are a lot bigger than if I print a
>>>>
>>> similar<br>
>>>
>>>> file, containing the same images, as an Adobe PDF from Word. I
>>>>
>>> have tried<br>
>>>
>>>> optimising the files but I lose a lot of quality in photos and the
>>>>
>>> files<br>
>>> are<br>
>>>
>>>> still a lot bigger than if they were made from a different
>>>>
>>> program. My<br>
>>> boss<br>
>>>
>>>> has my old CS creative suite and her version of Acrobat
>>>>
>>> Professional has a<br>
>>>
>>>> function (I can't remember its name) that reduces file size
>>>>
>>> without losing<br>
>>>
>>>> noticeable image quality. This is not available in my version and
>>>>
>>> in any<br>
>>>
>>>> case was greyed out on a file made in Illustrator CS3.<br>
>>>> What am I doing wrong and what options do I have to get good
>>>>
>>> quality<br>
>>> images<br>
>>>
>>>> in a smaller file size?<br>
>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>     Geoff Thompson<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>       <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:09:09 +0200<br>
>>> From:    Mieke Roth <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"  
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Hi all,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should be  
>>> grateful
>>> that<br>
>>> we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and it is
>>> getting<br>
>>> more and more important to be able to visualize scientific fact and
>>> data. <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact that  
>>> the<br>
>>> profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a serious
>>> magazine<br>
>>> or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it means that  
>>> we<br>
>>> still have some work to do, pr wise.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Mieke  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br>
>>> Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never happened
>>> before<br>
>>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I  
>>> understand<br>
>>> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a  
>>> prestigious<br>
>>> journal.<br>
>>> Lynn<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>   it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic   
>>>> <br>
>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>>
>>> sciences,   <br>
>>>
>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the   
>>>> <br>
>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual   
>>>> <br>
>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures...  <br>
>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>>>
>>> author  <br>
>>>
>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses,
>>>>
>>> and  <br>
>>>
>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>>>>
>>> once  <br>
>>>
>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions
>>>>
>>> actual  <br>
>>>
>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>
>>> restorations)  <br>
>>>
>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>>>>
>>> this  <br>
>>>
>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>>
>>> science  <br>
>>>
>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room
>>>>
>>> to  <br>
>>>
>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>>
>>> typically  <br>
>>>
>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have
>>>>
>>> been  <br>
>>>
>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature
>>>>
>>> or  <br>
>>>
>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   -frank<br>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>>>>>
>>> didn't even  <br>
>>>
>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance,
>>>>>
>>> just  <br>
>>>
>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you
>>>>>
>>> didn't  <br>
>>>
>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and
>>>>>
>>> it was  <br>
>>>
>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to
>>>>>
>>> the  <br>
>>>
>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>>
>>> morning.<br>
>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>
>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>>>>>>
>>> report of the  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> conference under July  <br>
>>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-</a>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature.
>>>>>>
>>> Your best  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you
>>>>>>
>>> have a  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the
>>>>>>
>>> conference  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the  <br>
>>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/</a>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the  <br>
>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -- <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>   Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>   Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>   American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>   Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>   NY    NY    10024<br>
>>>>   (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>>>
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>>>
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:10:05 -0400<br>
>>> From:    Frank Ippolito <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"  
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<br>
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>>>  <br>
>>> Janet,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of Joan's  
>>> <br>
>>> earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my response
>>> was <br>
>>> published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The editors  
>>> did
>>>  <br>
>>> in fact water my reply down to the point that it barely sharpened.  
>>> but <br>
>>> the point was made. the letter is linked here...<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/ 
>>> 422015a.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/ 
>>> full/422015a.html</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of my
>>> letter <br>
>>> is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without reading  
>>> the <br>
>>> article I was reacting to...<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>     The subtle beauty of art in the service of science<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito^1 <#a1><br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   1. Division of Vertebrate Paleontology, American Museum of  
>>> Natural<br>
>>>       History, 79th Street & Central Park West, New York, New  
>>> York<br>
>>>       10024, USA<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> <#top><br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>       Abstract<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> An illustration may be intended to emphasize details, convey an idea  
>>> or
>>>  <br>
>>> raise questions.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Sir,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> As a professional scientific illustrator I feel compelled to respond  
>>> to
>>>  <br>
>>> Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" (Nature
>>> 421, <br>
>>> 474–476; 2003 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a"  
>>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a</a>>).
>>> I believe that <br>
>>> Ottino's criticisms of scientific illustration are founded on an <br>
>>> incorrect understanding of the field.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Galileo's drawings can't be compared with magazine covers: they are  
>>> two
>>>  <br>
>>> unrelated types of illustration. It is incorrect to conclude from  
>>> such
>>> a <br>
>>> comparison that scientific disparity exists between them because the  
>>> <br>
>>> magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists and illustrators"  
>>> —
>>>  <br>
>>> this artwork was intended to enhance editorial material rather than  
>>> to <br>
>>> illustrate research.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Such conceptual illustrations are designed to pose questions. Their  
>>> use
>>>  <br>
>>> on the cover of a science magazine offers the promise of articles  
>>> that <br>
>>> inform these questions. The cover art of the 30 January 2003 issue  
>>> of <br>
>>> /Nature/ (see figure) and the related News and Views and Letter <br>
>>> (Nature 421, 489–490; 2003 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a"  
>>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a</a>>
>>> & <br>
>>> Nature 421, 530–533; 2003 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359"  
>>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359</a>>)
>>>  <br>
>>> follow this convention. The image does not illustrate the research  
>>> <br>
>>> itself; that is not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice
>>> of <br>
>>> digital medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand  
>>> of <br>
>>> an artist, has no bearing on this question.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Scientific illustration follows a different mandate, and it can often
>>> be <br>
>>> found within the pages of the very magazines under discussion. These  
>>> <br>
>>> drawings outline structure and clarify detail, as required by the  
>>> <br>
>>> subject and requested by the researcher. Because they communicate  
>>> <br>
>>> subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language, scientific <br>
>>> illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in precise  
>>> <br>
>>> communication (see /The Guild Handbook of Scientific Illustration,/  
>>> <br>
>>> edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Scientific illustration is a clearly defined field that benefits  
>>> from <br>
>>> active collaboration between scientist and illustrator. Using their  
>>> <br>
>>> professional observational skills, scientific illustrators strive to  
>>> <br>
>>> render the most accurate representation of their subject. It is, by  
>>> <br>
>>> definition, art in the service of science. The act of drawing is, in  
>>> <br>
>>> essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted details miss  
>>> this
>>>  <br>
>>> important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to eliminate  
>>> <br>
>>> non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is
>>> smoothed <br>
>>> out. The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and <br>
>>> discoloration may be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a  
>>> way
>>>  <br>
>>> chosen to amplify those details that require emphasis.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Scientific illustrations, even conceptual cover art, should be as  
>>> <br>
>>> accurate as possible. However, Ottino's proposal to establish rules  
>>> <br>
>>> governing the use of realistic rendering techniques is superfluous.  
>>> <br>
>>> Professional standards are already in place for scientific
>>> illustration. <br>
>>> Magazine editors recognize that their educated readership can <br>
>>> distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept and the current
>>> state <br>
>>> of scientific research. Scientific illustrations exist within this  
>>> <br>
>>> context. They communicate with and within conventions that reach back
>>> in <br>
>>> time from this issue of /Nature/ to the pages of Galileo's  
>>> notebooks.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science
>>>>
>>> illustration and Nature Journal that I think got lost in  
>>> cyberspace!<br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article
>>>>
>>> in Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering.  
>>> The
>>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?"
>>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>>> Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied
>>> Science, Northwestern University.<br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>>>>
>>> today is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>><br>
>>>
>>>>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>     <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>     <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the
>>>>>>
>>> basic  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>>>>
>>> sciences,  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>>>>>>
>>> the  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>>>>>>
>>> actual  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>>>>>>
>>> creatures...  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar
>>>>>>
>>> to our  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but
>>>>>>
>>> the author  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>>>>>>
>>> guesses, and  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may
>>>>>>
>>> have once  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>>>>>>
>>> mentions actual  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>>>
>>> restorations)  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia
>>>>>>
>>> talk. this  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>>>>
>>> science  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>>>>>>
>>> room to  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>>>>
>>> typically  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>>>>>>
>>> have been  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>>>>>>
>>> Nature or  <br>
>>>
>>>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> -frank<br>
>>>>>>       <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and
>>>>>>>
>>> I didn't even  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>>>>>>>
>>> distance, just  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that
>>>>>>>
>>> you didn't  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs
>>>>>>>
>>> $32.00 and it was  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>>>>>>>
>>> write to the  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>>>>
>>> morning.<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>         <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>           <br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very
>>>>>>>>
>>> nice report of the  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> conference under July  <br>
>>>>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-</a>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>>>>>>>>
>>> Nature. Your best  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library
>>>>>>>>
>>> unless you have a  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before
>>>>>>>>
>>> the conference  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the  <br>
>>>>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/</a>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe
>>>>>>>>
>>> you the  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>           <br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>>>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>>>
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>       <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -- <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a> <br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a> <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> --------------040106040101080303070202<br>
>>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8<br>
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><br>
>>> <html><br>
>>> <head><br>
>>>   <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8"
>>> http-equiv="Content-Type"><br>
>>> </head><br>
>>> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"><br>
>>> Janet,<br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of  
>>> Joan's<br>
>>> earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof. <br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my  
>>> response<br>
>>> was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The  
>>> editors<br>
>>> did in fact water my reply down to the point that it barely  
>>> sharpened.<br>
>>> but the point was made. the letter is linked here... <br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/ 
>>> 422015a.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/ 
>>> full/422015a.html</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/ 
>>> 422015a.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/ 
>>> full/422015a.html</a></a>
>>> <br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of my<br>
>>> letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without<br>
>>> reading the article I was reacting to...<br><br>
>>> <h2 id="atl" minmax_bound="true">The subtle beauty of art in the<br>
>>> service of science</h2><br>
>>> <p id="aug" minmax_bound="true">Frank Ippolito<sup
>>> minmax_bound="true"><a<br>
>>> title="affiliated with " href="#a1"
>>> minmax_bound="true">1</a></sup><br>
>>> </p><br>
>>> <div id="affiliations-notes" minmax_bound="true"><br>
>>> <ol minmax_bound="true"><br>
>>>   <li id="a1" minmax_bound="true">Division of Vertebrate
>>> Paleontology,<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History, 79th Street &amp; Central  
>>> Park<br>
>>> West, New York, New York 10024, USA<br><br>
>>>   </li><br>
>>> </ol><br>
>>> </div><br>
>>> <div id="abs" minmax_bound="true"><a class="backtotop hidden"<br>
>>> href="#top" minmax_bound="true"><span class="hidden"<br>
>>> minmax_bound="true"></span></a><br>
>>> <h3 class="hidden" minmax_bound="true">Abstract</h3><br>
>>> <p class="lead" minmax_bound="true"><font size="+1">An
>>> illustration may<br>
>>> be intended to emphasize details, convey an idea or raise
>>> questions.</font></p><br>
>>> </div><br>
>>> Sir,<br><br>
>>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">As a professional scientific<br>
>>> illustrator I feel compelled to respond to Julio Ottino's  
>>> Commentary<br>
>>> "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" (<a<br>
>>> href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"  
>>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a"
>>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a</a>"
>>> minmax_bound="true"><span<br>
>>> class="i" minmax_bound="true">Nature</span><span class="b"<br>
>>> minmax_bound="true"> 421</span>, 474–476; 2003</a>).
>>> I believe that<br>
>>> Ottino's criticisms of scientific illustration are founded on an<br>
>>> incorrect understanding of the field.</p><br>
>>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Galileo's drawings can't be<br>
>>> compared with magazine covers: they are two unrelated types of<br>
>>> illustration. It is incorrect to conclude from such a comparison  
>>> that<br>
>>> scientific disparity exists between them because the magazine  
>>> covers<br>
>>> "are left in the hands of artists and illustrators" — this artwork  
>>> was<br>
>>> intended to enhance editorial material rather than to illustrate<br>
>>> research.</p><br>
>>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Such conceptual illustrations
>>> are<br>
>>> designed to pose questions. Their use on the cover of a science<br>
>>> magazine offers the promise of articles that inform these  
>>> questions.<br>
>>> The cover art of the 30 January 2003 issue of <i
>>> minmax_bound="true">Nature</i><br>
>>> (see figure) and the related News and Views and Letter (<a<br>
>>> href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"  
>>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a"
>>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a</a>"
>>> minmax_bound="true"><span<br>
>>> class="i" minmax_bound="true">Nature</span><span class="b"<br>
>>> minmax_bound="true"> 421</span>, 489–490; 2003</a>
>>> &amp; <a<br>
>>> href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359"  
>>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359</a>"
>>> minmax_bound="true"><span<br>
>>> class="i" minmax_bound="true">Nature</span><span class="b"<br>
>>> minmax_bound="true"> 421</span>, 530–533; 2003</a>)
>>> follow this<br>
>>> convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself; that  
>>> is<br>
>>> not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice of digital<br>
>>> medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of an<br>
>>> artist, has no bearing on this question.</p><br>
>>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Scientific illustration
>>> follows a<br>
>>> different mandate, and it can often be found within the pages of  
>>> the<br>
>>> very magazines under discussion. These drawings outline structure  
>>> and<br>
>>> clarify detail, as required by the subject and requested by the<br>
>>> researcher. Because they communicate subtleties and eliminate the<br>
>>> ambiguities of language, scientific illustrations are an  
>>> important,<br>
>>> often necessary, element in precise communication (see <i<br>
>>> minmax_bound="true">The Guild Handbook of Scientific
>>> Illustration,</i><br>
>>> edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).</p><br>
>>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Scientific illustration is a<br>
>>> clearly defined field that benefits from active collaboration  
>>> between<br>
>>> scientist and illustrator. Using their professional observational<br>
>>> skills, scientific illustrators strive to render the most  
>>> accurate<br>
>>> representation of their subject. It is, by definition, art in the<br>
>>> service of science. The act of drawing is, in essence, the act of<br>
>>> editing. Complaints about omitted details miss this important  
>>> point.<br>
>>> Scientific illustrators are trained to eliminate non-essential<br>
>>> information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is smoothed out.  
>>> The<br>
>>> broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and discoloration  
>>> may<br>
>>> be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a way chosen to  
>>> amplify<br>
>>> those details that require emphasis.</p><br>
>>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">Scientific illustrations,  
>>> even<br>
>>> conceptual cover art, should be as accurate as possible. However,<br>
>>> Ottino's proposal to establish rules governing the use of  
>>> realistic<br>
>>> rendering techniques is superfluous. Professional standards are  
>>> already<br>
>>> in place for scientific illustration. Magazine editors recognize  
>>> that<br>
>>> their educated readership can distinguish between a beautifully<br>
>>> rendered concept and the current state of scientific research.<br>
>>> Scientific illustrations exist within this context. They  
>>> communicate<br>
>>> with and within conventions that reach back in time from this issue  
>>> of
>>> <i<br>
>>> minmax_bound="true">Nature</i> to the pages of Galileo's
>>> notebooks.<br><br>
>>> </p><br>
>>> <p class="norm" minmax_bound="true">-frank<br><br>
>>> </p><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> <blockquote<br>
>>> cite="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">mi 
>>> [log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"<br>
>>> type="cite"><br>
>>>   <pre wrap="">Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about
>>> science illustration and Nature Journal that I think got lost in
>>> cyberspace!<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article in
>>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The
>>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your eyes?"
>>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>>> Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied
>>> Science, Northwestern University.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today  
>>> is
>>> "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   </pre><br>
>>>   <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>>>     <pre wrap="">From: Joan Lee <a
>>> class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>">&lt;<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>&gt;</a><br>
>>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>     </pre><br>
>>>   </blockquote><br>
>>>   <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
>>>   </pre><br>
>>>   <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>>>     <pre wrap="">On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>     </pre><br>
>>>     <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>>>       <pre wrap=""> it is a nice prop in an important
>>> publication. though the basic  <br>
>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the  
>>> sciences,   <br>
>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the  <br>
>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual   
>>> <br>
>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures...  <br>
>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our   
>>> <br>
>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the author   
>>> <br>
>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and   
>>> <br>
>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have once   
>>> <br>
>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions  
>>> actual  <br>
>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal  
>>> restorations)  <br>
>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this   
>>> <br>
>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real science   
>>> <br>
>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to   
>>> <br>
>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI typically   
>>> <br>
>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have  
>>> been  <br>
>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or   
>>> <br>
>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>>       </pre><br>
>>>       <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>>>         <pre wrap="">Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature
>>> article and I didn't even  <br>
>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just   
>>> <br>
>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't   
>>> <br>
>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it  
>>> was  <br>
>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the   
>>> <br>
>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>         </pre><br>
>>>         <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>>>           <pre wrap="">From: gretchen halpert <a
>>> class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>">&lt;<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></a><br>
>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>           </pre><br>
>>>         </blockquote><br>
>>>         <blockquote type="cite"><br>
>>>           <pre wrap="">Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the   
>>> <br>
>>> conference under July  <br>
>>> 24th: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural</a></a>-
>>>  <br>
>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best   
>>> <br>
>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a   
>>> <br>
>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference   
>>> <br>
>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the  <br>
>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/</a>
>>>  <br>
>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the  <br>
>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></ 
>>> a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>>           </pre><br>
>>>         </blockquote><br>
>>>       </blockquote><br>
>>>       <pre wrap=""><br>
>>> -- <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a><br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></a><br>
>>>       </pre><br>
>>>     </blockquote><br>
>>>   </blockquote><br>
>>>   <pre wrap=""><!----><br>
>>>   </pre><br>
>>> </blockquote><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a> <br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a> <br>
>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>>>  <br>
>>> --------------040106040101080303070202--<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:56:55 -0400<br>
>>> From:    Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> My comments went poof?! Oh boy.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank, I understand clearly what you are writing, and I agree with
>>> you.=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> It is very important to distinguish between science illustration  
>>> and=20<br>
>>> other types, methods, conventions of visual communication. This is
>>> why=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I do not like the idea of "art of science illustration." It muddies
>>> the=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> waters.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Just recently I talked with a person at UMFK who wrote, in  
>>> essence,=20<br>
>>> that a bunch of artists are coming to Fort Kent next year. I=20<br>
>>> immediately corrected him and he published the correction. Then we
>>> got=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> into a discussion about differences, scopes, etc. While searching for
>>> a=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> good keynote speaker I had to keep emphasizing  THINK SCIENCE  
>>> not=20<br>
>>> minimalism or realism or "nature art" . . . Joan<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>   Janet,<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of
>>>>
>>> Joan's=20<br>
>>>
>>>> earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my
>>>>
>>> response=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03.  
>>>> The=20<br>
>>>> editors did in fact water my reply down to the point that it
>>>>
>>> barely=20<br>
>>>
>>>> sharpened. but the point was made. the letter is linked here...<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/ 
>>> 422015a.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/ 
>>> full/422015a.html</a><br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of
>>>>
>>> my=20<br>
>>>
>>>> letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense
>>>>
>>> without=20<br>
>>>
>>>> reading the article I was reacting to...<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> The subtle beauty of art in the service of science<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Frank Ippolito1<br>
>>>>     1     Division of Vertebrate Paleontology, American Museum of  
>>>> =<br>
>>>>
>>> Natural=20<br>
>>>
>>>> History, 79th Street & Central Park West, New York, New York
>>>>
>>> 10024,=20<br>
>>>
>>>> USA<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Abstract<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> An illustration may be intended to emphasize details, convey an
>>>>
>>> idea=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> or raise questions.<br>
>>>>   Sir,<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> As a professional scientific illustrator I feel compelled to
>>>>
>>> respond=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> to Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture worth 1,000  
>>>> words?"=20<br>
>>>> (Nature=A0421, 474=96476; 2003). I believe that Ottino's
>>>>
>>> criticisms of=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> scientific illustration are founded on an incorrect understanding
>>>>
>>> of=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> the field.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Galileo's drawings can't be compared with magazine covers: they
>>>>
>>> are=20<br>
>>>
>>>> two unrelated types of illustration. It is incorrect to conclude
>>>>
>>> from=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> such a comparison that scientific disparity exists between  
>>>> them=20<br>
>>>> because the magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists
>>>>
>>> and=20<br>
>>>
>>>> illustrators" =97 this artwork was intended to enhance  
>>>> editorial=20<br>
>>>> material rather than to illustrate research.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Such conceptual illustrations are designed to pose questions.
>>>>
>>> Their=20<br>
>>>
>>>> use on the cover of a science magazine offers the promise of
>>>>
>>> articles=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> that inform these questions. The cover art of the 30 January
>>>>
>>> 2003=20<br>
>>>
>>>> issue of Nature (see figure) and the related News and Views and
>>>>
>>> Letter=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> (Nature=A0421, 489=96490; 2003 & Nature=A0421, 530=96533;
>>>>
>>> 2003) follow =<br>
>>> this=20<br>
>>>
>>>> convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself;
>>>>
>>> that is=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice of  
>>>> digital=20<br>
>>>> medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of
>>>>
>>> an=20<br>
>>>
>>>> artist, has no bearing on this question.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Scientific illustration follows a different mandate, and it can
>>>>
>>> often=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> be found within the pages of the very magazines under
>>>>
>>> discussion.=20<br>
>>>
>>>> These drawings outline structure and clarify detail, as required
>>>>
>>> by=20<br>
>>>
>>>> the subject and requested by the researcher. Because they
>>>>
>>> communicate=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language,  
>>>> scientific=20<br>
>>>> illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in
>>>>
>>> precise=20<br>
>>>
>>>> communication (see The Guild Handbook of Scientific
>>>>
>>> Illustration,=20<br>
>>>
>>>> edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Scientific illustration is a clearly defined field that benefits
>>>>
>>> from=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> active collaboration between scientist and illustrator. Using
>>>>
>>> their=20<br>
>>>
>>>> professional observational skills, scientific illustrators strive
>>>>
>>> to=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> render the most accurate representation of their subject. It is,
>>>>
>>> by=20<br>
>>>
>>>> definition, art in the service of science. The act of drawing is,
>>>>
>>> in=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted details
>>>>
>>> miss=20<br>
>>>
>>>> this important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to
>>>>
>>> eliminate=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant  
>>>> is=20<br>
>>>> smoothed out. The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks
>>>>
>>> and=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> discoloration may be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in
>>>>
>>> a=20<br>
>>>
>>>> way chosen to amplify those details that require emphasis.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Scientific illustrations, even conceptual cover art, should be
>>>>
>>> as=20<br>
>>>
>>>> accurate as possible. However, Ottino's proposal to establish
>>>>
>>> rules=20<br>
>>>
>>>> governing the use of realistic rendering techniques is
>>>>
>>> superfluous.=20<br>
>>>
>>>> Professional standards are already in place for scientific=20<br>
>>>> illustration. Magazine editors recognize that their educated=20<br>
>>>> readership can distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept
>>>>
>>> and=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> the current state of scientific research. Scientific
>>>>
>>> illustrations=20<br>
>>>
>>>> exist within this context. They communicate with and within=20<br>
>>>> conventions that reach back in time from this issue of Nature to
>>>>
>>> the=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> pages of Galileo's notebooks.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -frank<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science=20<br>
>>>>> illustration and Nature Journal that I think got lost in
>>>>>
>>> cyberspace!<br>
>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an
>>>>>
>>> article in=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so
>>>>>
>>> flattering. The=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your
>>>>>
>>> eyes?"=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?"
>>>>>
>>> It's by=20<br>
>>>
>>>>> Julio M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and
>>>>>
>>> Applied=20<br>
>>>
>>>>> Science, Northwestern University.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>>>>>
>>> today=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>><br>
>>>
>>>>>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   it is a nice prop in an important publication. though
>>>>>>>
>>> the basic<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within
>>>>>>>
>>> the=20<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> sciences,=A0<br>
>>>>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned
>>>>>>>
>>> focus on the<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do
>>>>>>>
>>> with actual<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>>>>>>>
>>> creatures...<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice
>>>>>>>
>>> sidebar to our<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such.
>>>>>>>
>>> but the author<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>>>>>>>
>>> guesses, and<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals
>>>>>>>
>>> may have once<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>>>>>>>
>>> mentions=20<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> actual<br>
>>>>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized
>>>>>>>
>>> animal=20<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> restorations)<br>
>>>>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's
>>>>>>>
>>> Dinotopia talk. this<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about
>>>>>>>
>>> real science<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves
>>>>>>>
>>> little room to<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what
>>>>>>>
>>> GNSI typically<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this
>>>>>>>
>>> would have=20<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> been<br>
>>>>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such
>>>>>>>
>>> as Nature or<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for
>>>>>>>
>>> scientists.<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>   -frank<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article
>>>>>>>>
>>> and I didn't=20<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> even<br>
>>>>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive
>>>>>>>>
>>> for distance, =<br>
>>> just<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all
>>>>>>>>
>>> day).<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found
>>>>>>>>
>>> that you didn't<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still
>>>>>>>>
>>> costs $32.00 and it=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> was<br>
>>>>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to
>>>>>>>>
>>> just write to the<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy
>>>>>>>>
>>> this morning.<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a
>>>>>>>>>
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a
>>>>>>>>>
>>> very nice report of=20=<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>>>> conference under July<br>
>>>>>>>>> 24th:=A0<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>>
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-="
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-=</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the
>>>>>>>>>
>>> Journal Nature. Your =<br>
>>> best<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university
>>>>>>>>>
>>> library unless you have a<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week
>>>>>>>>>
>>> before the conference<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the<br>
>>>>>>>>> =<br>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I
>>>>>>>>>
>>> owe you the<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --=20<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>   Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>>>>   Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>>>>   Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>>>>   American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>>>>   Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>>>>   NY    NY    10024<br>
>>>>>>>   (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"  
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> --=20<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>   Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>   Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>   Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>   American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>   Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>   NY    NY    10024<br>
>>>>   (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>>>
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>
>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>>>
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:15:29 -0400<br>
>>> From:    Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Try this one:<br>
>>> art is to science as religion is to science.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> All can validly live together in the same world, but they are not  
>>> the <br>
>>> same as each other and should not be put into competition with each  
>>> <br>
>>> other nor should we attempt to interchange them.  Are we getting <br>
>>> somewhere?<br>
>>> Joan<br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Janet Wilkins wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>>>>
>>> today <br>
>>>
>>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:40:25 -0400<br>
>>> From:    Frank Ippolito <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"  
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> joan,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> you should really read the article to get a true sense at what this  
>>> guy
>>>  <br>
>>> was going on about. he was criticizing science illustration for  
>>> being <br>
>>> unscientific and using a pop science cover illustration to support  
>>> his <br>
>>> contention. there were a few other jabs - one being a claim that
>>> digital <br>
>>> tools somehow contributed to this supposed divergence. it was far  
>>> less <br>
>>> thought-out than your reply gives credit and was entirely off  
>>> target. I
>>>  <br>
>>> recall it gave rise to quite a lively discussion on this list at the
>>> time.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> Try this one:<br>
>>>> art is to science as religion is to science.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> All can validly live together in the same world, but they are not
>>>>
>>> the <br>
>>>
>>>> same as each other and should not be put into competition with
>>>>
>>> each <br>
>>>
>>>> other nor should we attempt to interchange them.  Are we getting  
>>>> <br>
>>>> somewhere?<br>
>>>> Joan<br>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Janet Wilkins wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published
>>>>>
>>> today <br>
>>>
>>>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -- <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br>
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>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a> <br>
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>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a> <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:24:55 -0400<br>
>>> From:    Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I'll try to find the article--on the other hand I don't need to get  
>>> <br>
>>> riled up. That is worse than I surmised from the thread!<br>
>>> Joan<br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> joan,<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> you should really read the article to get a true sense at what
>>>>
>>> this <br>
>>>
>>>> guy was going on about. he was criticizing science illustration
>>>>
>>> for <br>
>>>
>>>> being unscientific and using a pop science cover illustration to  
>>>> <br>
>>>> support his contention. there were a few other jabs - one being a  
>>>> <br>
>>>> claim that digital tools somehow contributed to this supposed <br>
>>>> divergence. it was far less thought-out than your reply gives
>>>>
>>> credit <br>
>>>
>>>> and was entirely off target. I recall it gave rise to quite a
>>>>
>>> lively <br>
>>>
>>>> discussion on this list at the time.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -frank<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> Try this one:<br>
>>>>> art is to science as religion is to science.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> All can validly live together in the same world, but they are
>>>>>
>>> not the <br>
>>>
>>>>> same as each other and should not be put into competition with
>>>>>
>>> each <br>
>>>
>>>>> other nor should we attempt to interchange them.  Are we
>>>>>
>>> getting <br>
>>>
>>>>> somewhere?<br>
>>>>> Joan<br>
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Janet Wilkins wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is
>>>>>>
>>> published today <br>
>>>
>>>>>> is "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -- <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:02:19 -0400<br>
>>> From:    Jaynie Martz <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"  
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
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>>> Frank,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> The name 'Ottino' brought back memories...not particularly pleasant  
>>> =<br>
>>> ones.  Was that over a slick cover illustration of nanotubes?<br>
>>> You were all over that one.....very elequent response you fired off.  
>>> I =<br>
>>> remember that quite well. I don't subscribe to Nature but is there a  
>>> =<br>
>>> feedback section for you to once again educate the huddled  
>>> non-science =<br>
>>> illustrating masses? =20<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Jaynie<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20<br>
>>>   From: Frank Ippolito=20<br>
>>>   To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>=20<br>
>>>   Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:10 PM<br>
>>>   Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   Janet,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   yes your reply got eaten by the cyber beast, as did part of Joan's  
>>> =<br>
>>> earlier reply. I hate when all our work just goes poof.=20<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to it and my  
>>> response =<br>
>>> was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The  
>>> editors
>>> =<br>
>>> did in fact water my reply down to the point that it barely  
>>> sharpened. =<br>
>>> but the point was made. the letter is linked here...=20<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/ 
>>> 422015a.html=20"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/ 
>>> full/422015a.html=20</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   for those who cannot read the archives w/o paying, the body of my  
>>> =<br>
>>> letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without  
>>> =<br>
>>> reading the article I was reacting to...<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   The subtle beauty of art in the service of science<br>
>>>   Frank Ippolito1=20<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>     1.. Division of Vertebrate Paleontology, American Museum of  
>>> Natural
>>> =<br>
>>> History, 79th Street & Central Park West, New York, New York 10024,
>>> USA<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   Abstract<br>
>>>   An illustration may be intended to emphasize details, convey an  
>>> idea =<br>
>>> or raise questions.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   Sir,<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   As a professional scientific illustrator I feel compelled to  
>>> respond =<br>
>>> to Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?"  
>>> (Nature =<br>
>>> 421, 474=E2=80=93476; 2003). I believe that Ottino's criticisms of  
>>> =<br>
>>> scientific illustration are founded on an incorrect understanding of
>>> the =<br>
>>> field.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   Galileo's drawings can't be compared with magazine covers: they  
>>> are =<br>
>>> two unrelated types of illustration. It is incorrect to conclude  
>>> from =<br>
>>> such a comparison that scientific disparity exists between them  
>>> because
>>> =<br>
>>> the magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists and  
>>> illustrators"
>>> =<br>
>>> =E2=80=94 this artwork was intended to enhance editorial material
>>> rather =<br>
>>> than to illustrate research.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   Such conceptual illustrations are designed to pose questions.  
>>> Their =<br>
>>> use on the cover of a science magazine offers the promise of  
>>> articles =<br>
>>> that inform these questions. The cover art of the 30 January 2003  
>>> issue
>>> =<br>
>>> of Nature (see figure) and the related News and Views and Letter
>>> (Nature =<br>
>>> 421, 489=E2=80=93490; 2003 & Nature 421, 530=E2=80=93533; 2003)
>>> follow =<br>
>>> this convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself;
>>> that =<br>
>>> is not its intended application. Furthermore, the choice of digital  
>>> =<br>
>>> medium, whether used by the hand of a scientist or the hand of an  
>>> =<br>
>>> artist, has no bearing on this question.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   Scientific illustration follows a different mandate, and it can  
>>> often
>>> =<br>
>>> be found within the pages of the very magazines under discussion.  
>>> These
>>> =<br>
>>> drawings outline structure and clarify detail, as required by the  
>>> =<br>
>>> subject and requested by the researcher. Because they communicate  
>>> =<br>
>>> subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language, scientific  
>>> =<br>
>>> illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in precise  
>>> =<br>
>>> communication (see The Guild Handbook of Scientific Illustration,
>>> edited =<br>
>>> by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1989).<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   Scientific illustration is a clearly defined field that benefits  
>>> from
>>> =<br>
>>> active collaboration between scientist and illustrator. Using their  
>>> =<br>
>>> professional observational skills, scientific illustrators strive to  
>>> =<br>
>>> render the most accurate representation of their subject. It is, by  
>>> =<br>
>>> definition, art in the service of science. The act of drawing is, in  
>>> =<br>
>>> essence, the act of editing. Complaints about omitted details miss  
>>> this
>>> =<br>
>>> important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to eliminate  
>>> =<br>
>>> non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is
>>> smoothed =<br>
>>> out. The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and =<br>
>>> discoloration may be removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a  
>>> way
>>> =<br>
>>> chosen to amplify those details that require emphasis.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   Scientific illustrations, even conceptual cover art, should be as  
>>> =<br>
>>> accurate as possible. However, Ottino's proposal to establish rules  
>>> =<br>
>>> governing the use of realistic rendering techniques is superfluous.  
>>> =<br>
>>> Professional standards are already in place for scientific
>>> illustration. =<br>
>>> Magazine editors recognize that their educated readership can =<br>
>>> distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept and the current
>>> state =<br>
>>> of scientific research. Scientific illustrations exist within this  
>>> =<br>
>>> context. They communicate with and within conventions that reach back
>>> in =<br>
>>> time from this issue of Nature to the pages of Galileo's  
>>> notebooks.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   -frank<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Okay, I just emailed an incredibly long rant about science  
>>> illustration
>>> =<br>
>>> and Nature Journal that I think got lost in cyberspace!<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article  
>>> in =<br>
>>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The  
>>> =<br>
>>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your  
>>> eyes?" =<br>
>>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>>> Julio =<br>
>>> M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied Science,  
>>> =<br>
>>> Northwestern University.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today  
>>> is
>>> =<br>
>>> "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   From: Joan Lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>><br>
>>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>   =20<br>
>>>   On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>     it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the basic  
>>> =20<br>
>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the sciences,  
>>> =20<br>
>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the  
>>> =20<br>
>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual  
>>> =20<br>
>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures...  
>>> =20<br>
>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our  
>>> =20<br>
>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the author  
>>> =20<br>
>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and  
>>> =20<br>
>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have once  
>>> =20<br>
>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions  
>>> actual
>>> =20<br>
>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal  
>>> restorations)
>>> =20<br>
>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this  
>>> =20<br>
>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real science  
>>> =20<br>
>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to  
>>> =20<br>
>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI typically  
>>> =20<br>
>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been
>>> =20<br>
>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or  
>>> =20<br>
>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>>       Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I  
>>> didn't =<br>
>>> even =20<br>
>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just  
>>> =20<br>
>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't  
>>> =20<br>
>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was
>>> =20<br>
>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the  
>>> =20<br>
>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>         From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>           Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the  
>>> =20<br>
>>> conference under July =20<br>
>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-=20"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-=20</a><br>
>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best  
>>> =20<br>
>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a  
>>> =20<br>
>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference  
>>> =20<br>
>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the =20<br>
>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/=20</a><br>
>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the =20<br>
>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>>           --=20<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>     =20<br>
>>> =20<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> --=20<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=20<br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com=20"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com=20</a><br>
>>>  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a> <br>
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>>> size=3D2>Frank,</FONT></DIV><br>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial
>>> size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><br>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The name 'Ottino' brought
>>> back =<br>
>>> memories...not=20<br>
>>> particularly pleasant ones. &nbsp;Was that&nbsp;over a slick
>>> cover =<br>
>>> illustration=20<br>
>>> of nanotubes?</FONT></DIV><br>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You were all over that
>>> one.....very =<br>
>>> elequent=20<br>
>>> response you fired off. I remember that quite well. I don't subscribe
>>> to =<br>
>>> Nature=20<br>
>>> but is there a feedback section for you to once again educate the  
>>> =<br>
>>> huddled=20<br>
>>> non-science illustrating masses?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV><br>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial
>>> size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><br>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial
>>> size=3D2>Jaynie</FONT></DIV><br>
>>> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><br>
>>> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV><br>
>>> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20<br>
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>>> =<br>
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>>>   <DIV=20<br>
>>>   style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =<br>
>>> black"><B>From:</B>=20<br>
>>>   <A title=<a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> href=3D"mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>">Frank =<br>
>>> Ippolito</A> </DIV><br>
>>>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =<br>
>>> title=<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">3DSCIART- 
>>> [log in to unmask]</a>=20<br>
>>>   =<br>
>>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></A>
>>> =<br>
>>> </DIV><br>
>>>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B>
>>> Monday, August 11, 2008 =<br>
>>> 1:10=20<br>
>>>   PM</DIV><br>
>>>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
>>> [SCIART] =<br>
>>> conference=20<br>
>>>   publicity</DIV><br>
>>>   <DIV><BR></DIV>Janet,<BR><BR>yes your
>>> reply got eaten by the cyber =<br>
>>> beast, as=20<br>
>>>   did part of Joan's earlier reply. I hate when all our work just  
>>> goes =<br>
>>> poof.=20<br>
>>>   <BR><BR>I do know that '03 article - in fact I replied to
>>> it and my =<br>
>>> response=20<br>
>>>   was published in Nature a couple months later in March '03. The  
>>> =<br>
>>> editors did in=20<br>
>>>   fact water my reply down to the point that it barely sharpened.  
>>> but =<br>
>>> the point=20<br>
>>>   was made. the letter is linked here... <BR><BR><A =<br>
>>> class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext=20<br>
>>>   =<br>
>>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/ 
>>> 422015a.html="
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/ 
>>> full/422015a.html=</a><br>
>>> "><a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/full/ 
>>> 422015a.html"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6927/ 
>>> full/422015a.html</a></A>=20<br>
>>>   <BR><BR>for those who cannot read the archives w/o
>>> paying, the body of =<br>
>>> my=20<br>
>>>   letter is pasted below- though it may not make much sense without  
>>> =<br>
>>> reading the=20<br>
>>>   article I was reacting to...<BR><br>
>>>   <H2 id=3Datl minmax_bound=3D"true">The subtle beauty of art in
>>> the =<br>
>>> service of=20<br>
>>>   science</H2><br>
>>>   <P id=3Daug minmax_bound=3D"true">Frank Ippolito<SUP =<br>
>>> minmax_bound=3D"true"><A=20<br>
>>>   title=3D"affiliated with " href=3D"#a1" =<br>
>>> minmax_bound=3D"true">1</A></SUP> </P><br>
>>>   <DIV id=3Daffiliations-notes minmax_bound=3D"true"><br>
>>>   <OL minmax_bound=3D"true"><br>
>>>     <LI id=3Da1 minmax_bound=3D"true">Division of Vertebrate =<br>
>>> Paleontology, American=20<br>
>>>     Museum of Natural History, 79th Street &amp; Central Park West,
>>> New =<br>
>>> York,=20<br>
>>>     New York 10024, USA<BR></LI></OL></DIV><br>
>>>   <DIV id=3Dabs minmax_bound=3D"true"><A class=3D"backtotop
>>> hidden" =<br>
>>> href=3D"#top"=20<br>
>>>   minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Dhidden =<br>
>>> minmax_bound=3D"true"></SPAN></A><br>
>>>   <H3 class=3Dhidden minmax_bound=3D"true">Abstract</H3><br>
>>>   <P class=3Dlead minmax_bound=3D"true"><FONT size=3D+1>An
>>> illustration =<br>
>>> may be=20<br>
>>>   intended to emphasize details, convey an idea or raise=20<br>
>>>   questions.</FONT></P></DIV>Sir,<BR><br>
>>>   <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">As a professional
>>> scientific =<br>
>>> illustrator I=20<br>
>>>   feel compelled to respond to Julio Ottino's Commentary "Is a  
>>> picture =<br>
>>> worth=20<br>
>>>   1,000 words?" (<A href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a"  
>>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421474a</a>"=20<br>
>>>   minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Di =<br>
>>> minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</SPAN><SPAN=20<br>
>>>   class=3Db minmax_bound=3D"true">&nbsp;421</SPAN>,
>>> 474=E2=80=93476; =<br>
>>> 2003</A>). I believe=20<br>
>>>   that Ottino's criticisms of scientific illustration are founded on
>>> an=20<br>
>>>   incorrect understanding of the field.</P><br>
>>>   <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Galileo's drawings can't
>>> be =<br>
>>> compared with=20<br>
>>>   magazine covers: they are two unrelated types of illustration. It  
>>> is =<br>
>>> incorrect=20<br>
>>>   to conclude from such a comparison that scientific disparity  
>>> exists =<br>
>>> between=20<br>
>>>   them because the magazine covers "are left in the hands of artists
>>> and =<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   illustrators" =E2=80=94 this artwork was intended to enhance
>>> editorial =<br>
>>> material rather=20<br>
>>>   than to illustrate research.</P><br>
>>>   <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Such conceptual
>>> illustrations =<br>
>>> are designed=20<br>
>>>   to pose questions. Their use on the cover of a science magazine
>>> offers =<br>
>>> the=20<br>
>>>   promise of articles that inform these questions. The cover art of  
>>> the
>>> =<br>
>>> 30=20<br>
>>>   January 2003 issue of <I minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</I>
>>> (see figure) =<br>
>>> and the=20<br>
>>>   related News and Views and Letter (<A =<br>
>>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a"  
>>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/421489a</a>"=20<br>
>>>   minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Di =<br>
>>> minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</SPAN><SPAN=20<br>
>>>   class=3Db minmax_bound=3D"true">&nbsp;421</SPAN>,
>>> 489=E2=80=93490; =<br>
>>> 2003</A> &amp; <A=20<br>
>>>   href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359"  
>>> target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature01359</a>"
>>> =<br>
>>> minmax_bound=3D"true"><SPAN class=3Di=20<br>
>>>   minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</SPAN><SPAN class=3Db=20<br>
>>>   minmax_bound=3D"true">&nbsp;421</SPAN>, 530=E2=80=93533;
>>> 2003</A>) =<br>
>>> follow this=20<br>
>>>   convention. The image does not illustrate the research itself; that
>>> is =<br>
>>> not its=20<br>
>>>   intended application. Furthermore, the choice of digital medium,  
>>> =<br>
>>> whether used=20<br>
>>>   by the hand of a scientist or the hand of an artist, has no bearing
>>> on =<br>
>>> this=20<br>
>>>   question.</P><br>
>>>   <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Scientific illustration
>>> follows =<br>
>>> a different=20<br>
>>>   mandate, and it can often be found within the pages of the very  
>>> =<br>
>>> magazines=20<br>
>>>   under discussion. These drawings outline structure and clarify
>>> detail, =<br>
>>> as=20<br>
>>>   required by the subject and requested by the researcher. Because
>>> they=20<br>
>>>   communicate subtleties and eliminate the ambiguities of language,  
>>> =<br>
>>> scientific=20<br>
>>>   illustrations are an important, often necessary, element in  
>>> precise=20<br>
>>>   communication (see <I minmax_bound=3D"true">The Guild Handbook
>>> of =<br>
>>> Scientific=20<br>
>>>   Illustration,</I> edited by E. R. S. Hodges; Van Nostrand
>>> Reinhold, =<br>
>>> 1989).</P><br>
>>>   <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Scientific illustration
>>> is a =<br>
>>> clearly defined=20<br>
>>>   field that benefits from active collaboration between scientist  
>>> and=20<br>
>>>   illustrator. Using their professional observational skills,
>>> scientific =<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   illustrators strive to render the most accurate representation of  
>>> =<br>
>>> their=20<br>
>>>   subject. It is, by definition, art in the service of science. The  
>>> act
>>> =<br>
>>> of=20<br>
>>>   drawing is, in essence, the act of editing. Complaints about  
>>> omitted =<br>
>>> details=20<br>
>>>   miss this important point. Scientific illustrators are trained to  
>>> =<br>
>>> eliminate=20<br>
>>>   non-essential information. The twisted stem of a dried plant is  
>>> =<br>
>>> smoothed out.=20<br>
>>>   The broken edge of a fossil bone is repaired. Cracks and
>>> discoloration =<br>
>>> may be=20<br>
>>>   removed. These subjects are thus rendered in a way chosen to  
>>> amplify =<br>
>>> those=20<br>
>>>   details that require emphasis.</P><br>
>>>   <P class=3Dnorm minmax_bound=3D"true">Scientific illustrations,
>>> even =<br>
>>> conceptual=20<br>
>>>   cover art, should be as accurate as possible. However, Ottino's  
>>> =<br>
>>> proposal to=20<br>
>>>   establish rules governing the use of realistic rendering techniques
>>> is =<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   superfluous. Professional standards are already in place for =<br>
>>> scientific=20<br>
>>>   illustration. Magazine editors recognize that their educated =<br>
>>> readership can=20<br>
>>>   distinguish between a beautifully rendered concept and the current  
>>> =<br>
>>> state of=20<br>
>>>   scientific research. Scientific illustrations exist within this  
>>> =<br>
>>> context. They=20<br>
>>>   communicate with and within conventions that reach back in time  
>>> from =<br>
>>> this=20<br>
>>>   issue of <I minmax_bound=3D"true">Nature</I> to the pages
>>> of Galileo's =<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   notebooks.<BR></P><br>
>>>   <P class=3Dnorm
>>> minmax_bound=3D"true">-frank<BR></P><BR><br>
>>>   <BLOCKQUOTE=20<br>
>>>   =<br>
>>> cite=<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]"> 
>>> [log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>
>>> =<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Okay, I just emailed an
>>> incredibly long =<br>
>>> rant about science illustration and Nature Journal that I think got
>>> lost =<br>
>>> in cyberspace!<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Rather than repeat the WHOLE THING, I will just mention an article  
>>> in =<br>
>>> Nature Journal, 30 January 2003 issue that wasn't so flattering. The  
>>> =<br>
>>> cover title says "Scientific illustration Can you believe your  
>>> eyes?" =<br>
>>> and inside, the title is "Is a picture worth 1,000 words?" It's by
>>> Julio =<br>
>>> M. Ottino, R.R. McCormick School of Engineering and Applied Science,  
>>> =<br>
>>> Northwestern University.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> It's a critique that much of the science art that is published today  
>>> is
>>> =<br>
>>> "divorced from science and science plausibility."<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Janet Wilkins<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>   </PRE><br>
>>>     <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">From: Joan Lee
>>> <A =<br>
>>> class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =<br>
>>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>">&lt;<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>&g=<br>
>>> t;</A><br>
>>> Date: 2008/08/11 Mon AM 10:42:58 CDT<br>
>>> To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></A><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>     </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!----><br>
>>>   </PRE><br>
>>>     <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">On Aug 11,
>>> 2008, at 11:28 =<br>
>>> AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>     </PRE><br>
>>>       <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D""> it is a
>>> nice prop in an =<br>
>>> important publication. though the basic =20<br>
>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the =<br>
>>> sciences,&nbsp; =20<br>
>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on the  
>>> =20<br>
>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with actual  
>>> =20<br>
>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures...  
>>> =20<br>
>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to our  
>>> =20<br>
>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the author  
>>> =20<br>
>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired guesses, and  
>>> =20<br>
>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have once  
>>> =20<br>
>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he mentions  
>>> actual
>>> =20<br>
>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal  
>>> restorations)
>>> =20<br>
>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk. this  
>>> =20<br>
>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real science  
>>> =20<br>
>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little room to  
>>> =20<br>
>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI typically  
>>> =20<br>
>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would have been
>>> =20<br>
>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as Nature or  
>>> =20<br>
>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> -frank<br>
>>>       </PRE><br>
>>>         <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Hey, hey,
>>> hey! I got my =<br>
>>> copy of the Nature article and I didn't even =20<br>
>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for distance, just  
>>> =20<br>
>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that you didn't  
>>> =20<br>
>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs $32.00 and it was
>>> =20<br>
>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just write to the  
>>> =20<br>
>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this morning.<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>>         </PRE><br>
>>>           <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">From:
>>> gretchen =<br>
>>> halpert <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =<br>
>>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>">&lt;<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=<br>
>>> &gt;</A><br>
>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>> To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></A><br>
>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>           </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><br>
>>>           <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Hi
>>> all,Here are two =<br>
>>> links of interest:<br>
>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice report of the  
>>> =20<br>
>>> conference under July =20<br>
>>> 24th:&nbsp;<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural</a>"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"  
>>> href="http:=">http:=</a><br>
>>> //gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural</A>-=20<br>
>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal Nature. Your best  
>>> =20<br>
>>> bet for reading it is from a university library unless you have a  
>>> =20<br>
>>> subscription. The article came out the week before the conference  
>>> =20<br>
>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the =20<br>
>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/=20"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/=20</a><br>
>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you the =20<br>
>>> tiara.)Elmira, <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=<br>
>>> </A><br>
>>>  <br>
>>>           </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE
>>> wrap=3D"">--=20<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"  
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></A><br>
>>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"  
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></A><br>
>>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></A=<br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>       </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE
>>> wrap=3D""><!----><br>
>>>   </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><PRE
>>> class=3Dmoz-signature cols=3D"72">--=20<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Frank Ippolito<br>
>>> Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>> Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>> American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>> Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>> NY    NY    10024<br>
>>> (212) 769-5812<br>
>>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =<br>
>>> href=3D"mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"  
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></A>=20<br>
>>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"  
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.productionpost.com"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></A> =<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =<br>
>>> href=3D"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></A=<br>
>>>
>>>> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><br>
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C8FBDC.65450C60--<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:00:16 -0400<br>
>>> From:    gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
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>>>  <br>
>>> Hi all,Well, I really didn't mean to start a discussion with the
>>> notice, but<br>
>>> I'm not surprised. What happened was that the journal/writer saw our
>>> website<br>
>>> on the conference and wanted to write an article about it. It was  
>>> an<br>
>>> overview highlighting what the journal found interesting, extracted
>>>
>> >from a<br>
>>
>>> lot of information I and others gave them. I would have loved to  
>>> have<br>
>>> written the article myself, with more specifics about the field, but  
>>> it<br>
>>> wouldn't have been published. They included the GNSI website, so
>>> hopefully<br>
>>> those interested will look us up and find out about scientific
>>> illustration<br>
>>> in more depth.<br>
>>> I'm happy Nature took an interest and who knows....perhaps it will  
>>> lead
>>> some<br>
>>> scientists to the GNSI website and to Science-Art.com and someone  
>>> will
>>> get<br>
>>> some work.....<br>
>>> Best,<br>
>>> Gretchen<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Gretchen Halpert<br>
>>> illustrator, educator<br>
>>> gretchen.halpert(at)gmail.com<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mieke Roth <<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should be
>>>>
>>> grateful<br>
>>>
>>>> that<br>
>>>> we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and it is
>>>>
>>> getting<br>
>>>
>>>> more and more important to be able to visualize scientific fact
>>>>
>>> and data.<br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact that
>>>>
>>> the<br>
>>>
>>>> profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a serious
>>>>
>>> magazine<br>
>>>
>>>> or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it means
>>>>
>>> that we<br>
>>>
>>>> still have some work to do, pr wise.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Mieke<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br>
>>>
>>>> Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never
>>>>
>>> happened before<br>
>>>
>>>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I
>>>>
>>> understand<br>
>>>
>>>> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a
>>>>
>>> prestigious<br>
>>>
>>>> journal.<br>
>>>> Lynn<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-<br>
>>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>>>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>>   it is a nice prop in an important publication. though the
>>>>>
>>> basic<br>
>>>
>>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>>>>
>>> sciences,<br>
>>>
>>>>> I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>>>>>
>>> the<br>
>>>
>>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>>>>>
>>> actual<br>
>>>
>>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy creatures...<br>
>>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice sidebar to
>>>>>
>>> our<br>
>>>
>>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>>>>
>>> author<br>
>>>
>>>>> then quotes Warren Allmon description of "... inspired
>>>>>
>>> guesses, and<br>
>>>
>>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may
>>>>>
>>> have once<br>
>>>
>>>>> looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where he
>>>>>
>>> mentions actual<br>
>>>
>>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>>
>>> restorations)<br>
>>>
>>>>> is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>>>>>
>>> this<br>
>>>
>>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>>>>
>>> science<br>
>>>
>>>>> illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>>>>>
>>> room to<br>
>>>
>>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>>>>
>>> typically<br>
>>>
>>>>> focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>>>>>
>>> have been<br>
>>>
>>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>>>>>
>>> Nature or<br>
>>>
>>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>   -frank<br>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and I
>>>>>>
>>> didn't even<br>
>>>
>>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>>>>>>
>>> distance, just<br>
>>>
>>>>>> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all day).<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found that
>>>>>>
>>> you didn't<br>
>>>
>>>>>> need to subscribe, however, the article still costs
>>>>>>
>>> $32.00 and it was<br>
>>>
>>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>>>>>>
>>> write to the<br>
>>>
>>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy this
>>>>>>
>>> morning.<br>
>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>
>>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very nice
>>>>>>>
>>> report of the<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> conference under July<br>
>>>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>>>>>>>
>>> Nature. Your best<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> bet for reading it is from a university library
>>>>>>>
>>> unless you have a<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week before
>>>>>>>
>>> the conference<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> and was posted on the bulletin board at the<br>
>>>>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe you
>>>>>>>
>>> the<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>   Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>>   Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>>   Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>>   American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>>   Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>>   NY    NY    10024<br>
>>>>>   (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>>
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
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>>>  <br>
>>> <div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div>Well, I really didn't mean to
>>> start a discussion with the notice, but I'm not surprised. What
>>> happened was that the journal/writer saw our website on the  
>>> conference
>>> and wanted to write an article about it. It was an overview
>>> highlighting what the journal found interesting, extracted from a lot
>>> of information I and others gave them. I would have loved to have
>>> written the article myself, with more specifics about the field, but  
>>> it
>>> wouldn't have been published. They included the GNSI website, so
>>> hopefully those interested will look us up and find out about
>>> scientific illustration in more depth.&nbsp;</div><br>
>>> <div>I'm happy Nature took an interest and who knows....perhaps
>>> it will lead some scientists to the GNSI website and to  
>>> Science-Art.com
>>> and someone will get some
>>> work.....</div><div>Best,</div><div>Gretchen</div><div><br>
>>> <br></div><div>Gretchen
>>> Halpert</div><div>illustrator,
>>> educator</div><div>gretchen.halpert(at)<a href="<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://gmail.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://gmail.com</a>">gmail.com</a><br><br><div
>>> class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mieke Roth
>>> <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a>&gt;</span>
>>> wrote:<br><br>
>>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
>>> .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi all,<br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should be  
>>> grateful
>>> that<br><br>
>>> we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and it is
>>> getting<br><br>
>>> more and more important to be able to visualize scientific fact and
>>> data.<br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact that
>>> the<br><br>
>>> profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a serious
>>> magazine<br><br>
>>> or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it means that
>>> we<br><br>
>>> still have some work to do, pr wise.<br><br>
>>> <font color="#888888"><br><br>
>>> Mieke<br><br>
>>> </font><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br><br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>>> Illustration-<br><br>
>>> </div><div><div></div><div
>>> class="Wj3C7c">[mailto:<a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br><br>
>>> Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br><br>
>>> To: <a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></a><br><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never happened
>>> before<br><br>
>>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I
>>> understand<br><br>
>>> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press in such a
>>> prestigious<br><br>
>>> journal.<br><br>
>>> Lynn<br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br><br>
>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>>> Illustration-<br><br>
>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br><br>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br><br>
>>> To: <a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></a><br><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br><br>
>>> <br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;it is a nice prop in an important publication.
>>> though the basic<br><br>
>>> &gt; sentiment is about how integral illustration is within the
>>> sciences,&nbsp;<br><br>
>>> &gt; I do wish that the author hadn't repeated returned focus on
>>> the<br><br>
>>> &gt; aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do with
>>> actual<br><br>
>>> &gt; science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's &quot;fantasy
>>> creatures...<br><br>
>>> &gt; inspired by the anatomy of real animals&quot; is a nice
>>> sidebar to our<br><br>
>>> &gt; profession. on its own it would have served as such. but the
>>> author<br><br>
>>> &gt; then quotes Warren Allmon description of &quot;...
>>> inspired guesses, and<br><br>
>>> &gt; artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals may have
>>> once<br><br>
>>> &gt; looked like.&quot; all the part's of Warren's talk where
>>> he mentions actual<br><br>
>>> &gt; paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>> restorations)<br><br>
>>> &gt; is left out. he then mentions Jame's Gurney's Dinotopia talk.
>>> this<br><br>
>>> &gt; keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about real
>>> science<br><br>
>>> &gt; illustration. all this in a one page article leaves little
>>> room to<br><br>
>>> &gt; mention what science illustration really is and what GNSI
>>> typically<br><br>
>>> &gt; focuses on during a conference. in Omni magazine this would
>>> have been<br><br>
>>> &gt; expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such as
>>> Nature or<br><br>
>>> &gt; Science I am expecting an article written for
>>> scientists.<br><br>
>>> &gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;-frank<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt; Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article and
>>> I didn't even<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt; need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>>> distance, just<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt; the so-called &quot;rush hour&quot; traffic
>>> that lasts all day).<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt; I've been looking at the link for a time and found
>>> that you didn't<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt; need to subscribe, however, the article still costs
>>> $32.00 and it was<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt; just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>>> write to the<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt; library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy
>>> this morning.<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt; It was well worth the wait folks!<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt; Janet P. Wilkins<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; From: gretchen halpert &lt;<a
>>> href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a>&gt; 
>>> <br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; To: <a href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a></a><br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: [SCIART] conference
>>> publicity<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hi all,Here are two links of
>>> interest:<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a
>>> very nice report of the<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; conference under July<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; 24th:&nbsp;<a href="<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-</a>"
>>> target="_blank"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-natural-"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> natural-</a></a><br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; science-illustrators.html<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; The second is an article that was in the
>>> Journal Nature. Your best<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; bet for reading it is from a university
>>> library unless you have a<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; subscription. The article came out the week
>>> before the conference<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; and was posted on the bulletin board at
>>> the<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; registration.<a href="<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/</a>"
>>> target="_blank"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/</a></a><br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; 454278a.html<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; Both good press for the GNSI.<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; The Ithaca conference committee
>>> rocks!<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers,Gretchen<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I
>>> owe you the<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt; tiara.)Elmira, <a href="mailto:<a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></ 
>>> a><br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;&gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt; --<br><br>
>>> &gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt;<br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;Frank Ippolito<br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;Principal Scientific Assistant<br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;American Museum of Natural History<br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;Central Park West at 79th Street<br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;NY &nbsp; &nbsp;NY &nbsp;
>>> &nbsp;10024<br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;(212) 769-5812<br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;<a href="mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"  
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>"><a
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></a><br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;<a href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a>"
>>> target="_blank"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a></a><br><br>
>>> &gt; &nbsp;<a href="<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a>"
>>> target="_blank"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a></a><br><br>
>>> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br>
>>>  <br>
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>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Date:    Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:17:35 -0400<br>
>>> From:    Lynn Usack <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: conference publicity<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> Thank you Gretchen, I appreciate your clarification. <br>
>>> I can see that sentiments are strong, as the profession needs and<br>
>>> deserves more respect and recognition. I'll restate that I am  
>>> grateful<br>
>>> for the publicity, especially because it includes the link to the  
>>> GNSI<br>
>>> site, where people can learn much more. It is an opportunity, even  
>>> if it<br>
>>> does not satisfy everyone's ideas on what Nature should have  
>>> covered. I<br>
>>> didn't expect the additional conversation but I can see their  
>>> points<br>
>>> too. I just prefer at this point to see the positive side of this.  
>>> As<br>
>>> for Mieke's comments, yes, I agree, you have more work to do. I'll  
>>> leave<br>
>>> it there, let's move on. <br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>> Lynn <br>
>>>  <br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:03 pm<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,Well, I really didn't mean to start a discussion with the  
>>>> <br>
>>>> notice, but<br>
>>>> I'm not surprised. What happened was that the journal/writer saw  
>>>> <br>
>>>> our website<br>
>>>> on the conference and wanted to write an article about it. It was
>>>>
>>> an<br>
>>>
>>>> overview highlighting what the journal found interesting,
>>>>
>>> extracted <br>
>>>
>>>> from a<br>
>>>> lot of information I and others gave them. I would have loved to
>>>>
>>> have<br>
>>>
>>>> written the article myself, with more specifics about the field,  
>>>> <br>
>>>> but it<br>
>>>> wouldn't have been published. They included the GNSI website, so  
>>>> <br>
>>>> hopefullythose interested will look us up and find out about <br>
>>>> scientific illustration<br>
>>>> in more depth.<br>
>>>> I'm happy Nature took an interest and who knows....perhaps it will
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> lead some<br>
>>>> scientists to the GNSI website and to Science-Art.com and someone  
>>>> <br>
>>>> will get<br>
>>>> some work.....<br>
>>>> Best,<br>
>>>> Gretchen<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Gretchen Halpert<br>
>>>> illustrator, educator<br>
>>>> gretchen.halpert(at)gmail.com<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mieke Roth <<a
>>>>
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I have to agree with Frank and I don't think we only should
>>>>>
>>> be <br>
>>>
>>>> grateful> that<br>
>>>>
>>>>> we were named in Nature. What we do is serious business and
>>>>>
>>> it is <br>
>>>
>>>> getting> more and more important to be able to visualize
>>>>
>>> scientific <br>
>>>
>>>> fact and data.<br>
>>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I don't know if we should take look at ourselves for the fact
>>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> that the<br>
>>>>
>>>>> profession apparently isn't taken that seriously in such a <br>
>>>>>
>>>> serious magazine<br>
>>>>
>>>>> or that this journalist just didn't get it, but for me it
>>>>>
>>> means <br>
>>>
>>>> that we<br>
>>>>
>>>>> still have some work to do, pr wise.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Mieke<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>>>>>
>>> Illustration-<br>
>>>
>>>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Lynn Usack<br>
>>>
>>>>> Sent: maandag 11 augustus 2008 18:57<br>
>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> I guess I'm just happy we were written up in Nature, never <br>
>>>>>
>>>> happened before<br>
>>>>
>>>>> right? There's always a next time now that we were noticed. I
>>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> understand> Frank's comments, I'm just grateful for the press
>>>>
>>> in <br>
>>>
>>>> such a prestigious<br>
>>>>
>>>>> journal.<br>
>>>>> Lynn<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>> From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science
>>>>>
>>> Illustration-<br>
>>>
>>>>> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a>]
>>> On Behalf Of Joan Lee<br>
>>>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43 AM<br>
>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Frank Ippolito wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>>>>   it is a nice prop in an important publication. though
>>>>>>
>>> the basic<br>
>>>
>>>>>> sentiment is about how integral illustration is within
>>>>>>
>>> the <br>
>>>
>>>> sciences,> > I do wish that the author hadn't repeated
>>>>
>>> returned <br>
>>>
>>>> focus on the<br>
>>>>
>>>>>> aspects seen at the meeting that had so little to do
>>>>>>
>>> with actual<br>
>>>
>>>>>> science illustration. Terryl Whitlatch's "fantasy
>>>>>>
>>> creatures...<br>
>>>
>>>>>> inspired by the anatomy of real animals" is a nice
>>>>>>
>>> sidebar to our<br>
>>>
>>>>>> profession. on its own it would have served as such. but
>>>>>>
>>> the <br>
>>>
>>>> author> > then quotes Warren Allmon description of "...
>>>>
>>> inspired <br>
>>>
>>>> guesses, and<br>
>>>>
>>>>>> artistic creativity to form a picture of what animals
>>>>>>
>>> may have <br>
>>>
>>>> once> > looked like." all the part's of Warren's talk where
>>>>
>>> he <br>
>>>
>>>> mentions actual<br>
>>>>
>>>>>> paleontological illustration (and not popularized animal
>>>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>> restorations)> > is left out. he then mentions Jame's
>>>>
>>> Gurney's <br>
>>>
>>>> Dinotopia talk. this<br>
>>>>
>>>>>> keynote was interesting and entertaining but not about
>>>>>>
>>> real <br>
>>>
>>>> science> > illustration. all this in a one page article
>>>>
>>> leaves <br>
>>>
>>>> little room to<br>
>>>>
>>>>>> mention what science illustration really is and what
>>>>>>
>>> GNSI <br>
>>>
>>>> typically> > focuses on during a conference. in Omni
>>>>
>>> magazine this <br>
>>>
>>>> would have been<br>
>>>>
>>>>>> expected. I guess when I see writings in journals such
>>>>>>
>>> as <br>
>>>
>>>> Nature or<br>
>>>>
>>>>>> Science I am expecting an article written for scientists.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>   -frank<br>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, hey, hey! I got my copy of the Nature article
>>>>>>>
>>> and I <br>
>>>
>>>> didn't even<br>
>>>>
>>>>>>> need to make the trip to Tufts (not a long drive for
>>>>>>>
>>> distance, <br>
>>>
>>>> just> >> the so-called "rush hour" traffic that lasts all
>>>>
>>> day).<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> I've been looking at the link for a time and found
>>>>>>>
>>> that you <br>
>>>
>>>> didn't> >> need to subscribe, however, the article still
>>>>
>>> costs <br>
>>>
>>>> $32.00 and it was<br>
>>>>
>>>>>>> just one page! (Gulp!) So, I FINALLY decided to just
>>>>>>>
>>> write to the<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> library at Tufts yesterday and received a PDF copy
>>>>>>>
>>> this morning.<br>
>>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> It was well worth the wait folks!<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> Janet P. Wilkins<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: gretchen halpert <<a
>>>>>>>>
>>> moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: 2008/07/29 Tue PM 06:51:33 CDT<br>
>>>>>>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
>>> a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [SCIART] conference publicity<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,Here are two links of interest:<br>
>>>>>>>> The first is from Jim Gurney's blog, with a very
>>>>>>>>
>>> nice report <br>
>>>
>>>> of the<br>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> conference under July<br>
>>>>>>>> 24th: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>>> href="http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of-"
>>> target="_blank">http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/07/guild-of- 
>>> </a><br>
>>>
>>>> natural-<br>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> science-illustrators.html<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> The second is an article that was in the Journal
>>>>>>>>
>>> Nature. Your <br>
>>>
>>>> best> >>> bet for reading it is from a university
>>>>
>>> library unless <br>
>>>
>>>> you have a<br>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> subscription. The article came out the week
>>>>>>>>
>>> before the <br>
>>>
>>>> conference> >>> and was posted on the bulletin board
>>>>
>>> at the<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> registration.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>
>>> href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/full/"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v454/n7202/ 
>>> full/</a>>
>>>  <br>
>>>
>>>>>>> 454278a.html<br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> Both good press for the GNSI.<br>
>>>>>>>> The Ithaca conference committee rocks!<br>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,Gretchen<br>
>>>>>>>> Gretchen HalpertGNSI past-president (Gail, I owe
>>>>>>>>
>>> you the<br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> tiara.)Elmira, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>>>
>>> ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>> href="mailto: 
>>> [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>   Frank Ippolito<br>
>>>>>>   Principal Scientific Assistant<br>
>>>>>>   Div. Vertebrate Paleontology<br>
>>>>>>   American Museum of Natural History<br>
>>>>>>   Central Park West at 79th Street<br>
>>>>>>   NY    NY    10024<br>
>>>>>>   (212) 769-5812<br>
>>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> href="http://www.productionpost.com"  
>>> target="_blank">http://www.productionpost.com</a><br>
>>>
>>>>>>   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
>>>>>>
>>> href="http://research.amnh.org/%7Eesg/"  
>>> target="_blank">http://research.amnh.org/~esg/</a><br>
>>>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>>
>>>  <br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>>  <br>
>>> End of SCIART-L Digest - 10 Aug 2008 to 11 Aug 2008 (#2008-204)<br>
>>> ***************************************************************<br>
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