Tibor,

If you use the phrase "patents of arms" to describes "letters patent",
and in particular those granting arms, they exist.

And the London Masters is the reason, disregarding any opinion I have on
the "4th peerage" in general, that I hate the proposed title.

Gabriel

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014, at 01:34 PM, Mark Schuldenfrei wrote:
> On 12/4/2014 2:04 PM, Patricia Schmidt wrote:
> > Part of his early research (nearly
> > 20 years ago) was on finding mundane patents of arms that had been given
> > in the area of rapier combat.
>
> That would be fascinating.
>
> To my reasonably-good knowledge, there is no such thing (outside
> the SCA) as a Patent of Arms.
>
> There is no shortage of elevations to the nobility or bestowal
> of armorial bearings for all KINDS of stuff, toward the end of
> period, when the whole concept of feudalism was breaking down.
>
> Amusingly, the London Masters of Defense was not a chivalric
> order - it was a money-making machine that had a Royal
> monopoly. While newly installed members swore oaths to the
> London Masters of Defense, there was no feudalism involved,
> and not answering noble making reciprocal feudal promises
> in return.
>
> Tibor
>
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