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Re: Nat. Sci. Illus. training

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[log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)

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>>>The Guild of Natural Science Illustrators has about 1200 members.  To
>>>join . . . <<<

Hi Kris,

I have been pretty active on an art forum in Compuserve and in response to
some of my postings I have been asked the same question. Would you mind if
I lift this response, quoted verbatim. It covers exactly what is being
asked for. (And you do it so well <G>.)

Frank


Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Subject: Frank?

Frank,
are you at a loss for words???Got a tag with no message!!Polly

Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
[log in to unmask]
phone-402-472-2657
fax-402-472-8949


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Subject: Re: Frank?

nevermind!

Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
[log in to unmask]
phone-402-472-2657
fax-402-472-8949


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Subject: Re: Frank?

>Frank,
>are you at a loss for words???Got a tag with no message!!Polly

Well it IS morning here. And I haven't had my second cup of coffee. But I
saw that message as it was leaving and it had *words* in it <G>. In case
nobody else got the verbage, I'll include it below. Hopefully this one gets
out.

*****************************************************************************

>>>The Guild of Natural Science Illustrators has about 1200 members.  To
>>>join . . . <<<

Hi Kris,

I have been pretty active on an art/illustration forum in Compuserve and in
response to some of my postings, I have been asked the same question. Would
you mind if I lift this response, quoted verbatim. It covers exactly what
is being asked for. (And you do it so well <G>.)

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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From: [log in to unmask] (Pauline Denham)
Subject: Listserv list

Here is the current list of subscribers:

[log in to unmask]                          Pauline Denham
[log in to unmask]                             Elaine Hodges
[log in to unmask]                      Doug Yanega
[log in to unmask]                            Lana Johnson
[log in to unmask]                       Craig Fansler
[log in to unmask]                     John Nyquist
[log in to unmask]              Britt Griswold
[log in to unmask]                          Amy Ione
[log in to unmask]                              Geoff Read
[log in to unmask]                               Lisa Bryant
[log in to unmask]                  Claire Garrison
[log in to unmask]                                 Karen Marks
[log in to unmask]                       Kathryn Evans
[log in to unmask]                      Stacy A. Ciufo
[log in to unmask]                      Silvia Troyo
[log in to unmask]                       Kris Kirkeby
[log in to unmask]                             Maureen Carey
[log in to unmask]                    Joe Trumpey
[log in to unmask]                               Richard Gayle
[log in to unmask]                               Meredith Gregg
[log in to unmask]                      Leslie P. Gartner
[log in to unmask]                                Virge Kask
[log in to unmask]                         Rebecca Thompson
[log in to unmask]                                     Frank Ippolito
[log in to unmask]                       William C. Ober
[log in to unmask]                                Eric Brothers
[log in to unmask]                           Linda Rader
[log in to unmask]                             Maria Celia Villac
[log in to unmask]                        Csimpsonfmnh.org
[log in to unmask]                              Jennifer E. Fairman
Matissewam.umd.edu
[log in to unmask]                                  Jaynie Martz
[log in to unmask]                     Elizabeth J.wilson
[log in to unmask]                        Mary Parrish
[log in to unmask]                               Lenore Ramm
[log in to unmask]                        Allison Lucas Wright
[log in to unmask]                            Julie Rinke
[log in to unmask]                             Hilair Chism
[log in to unmask]                        Lori Bouck
[log in to unmask]                        Wendy
[log in to unmask]                      Linda Heath Clark
[log in to unmask]                             Molly Kelly Ryan
[log in to unmask]                       Mj
Springbcsadmuconnvm.uconn.edu
[log in to unmask]                               Margie Scanlon
[log in to unmask]                             Liz Fox
[log in to unmask]                               Laurie Jiobu
[log in to unmask]                             Kate Smith
[log in to unmask]                        Marlene Donnelly
[log in to unmask]                           Willow Zuchowski
[log in to unmask]                                Paula Berinstein
[log in to unmask]                             Yehudit Sherman
[log in to unmask]                                 Charles Kolb
[log in to unmask]                             Jennifer E. Fairman
[log in to unmask]                             Margaret Saul
[log in to unmask]                               Katharine Decker Johnson
[log in to unmask]                               Joel Floyd
[log in to unmask]                               Kevin C. Loughlin Ex
[log in to unmask]                                David Dennis
[log in to unmask]                         Cande Smith
[log in to unmask]                           David D. Lewis
[log in to unmask]                        Holly Trimper
Total number of subscribers: 60

Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
[log in to unmask]
phone-402-472-2657
fax-402-472-8949


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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: List?

Hey Polly,

The most recent version of the list of subscribers I have was posted on
10/26/95. Can you send out a revised list when you get a chance. I'm sure
by now it will be as thick as a phone book <G>.

Thanks much.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Hey Frank, don't forget to tell them about our list serve, specially if you see 
someone like Jayne, send them e-mail.
Britt
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Frank?



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Subject: Re: Frank?

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Subject: Re[2]: Nat. Sci. Illus. training

Please note that Kris said there are 11 Newsletter issues a year, it's really 
10. Sorry to contradict you.
Britt
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Nat. Sci. Illus. training
..
>>>The Guild of Natural Science Illustrators has about 1200 members.  To
>>>join . . . <<<

Hi Kris,

I have been pretty active on an art forum in Compuserve and in response to
some of my postings I have been asked the same question. Would you mind if
I lift this response, quoted verbatim. It covers exactly what is being
asked for. (And you do it so well <G>.)

Frank


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Subject: Re: Nat. Sci. Illus. training

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Subject: Re: 

Photoshop 3 will rasterize Illustrator files directly and convert their 
gradients. By fine tuneing the photoshop color set up, she should get a better 
representation of her colors in the transfer.  Then save the photoshop file as 
Jpeg or Gif. Before Photoshop 3.0 I would use a flat color in the place of 
gradients, and then select that color in photoshop and add the gradient there.

Britt
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 
From:    <[log in to unmask]> at Internet
Date:    1/30/96  4:31 PM

Britt,
Ooops, actually she wants to draw in Illustrator and use a color gradient.
THEN open it up in Photoshop and change the file format for Authorware
and/or WWW jpeg/gif files without flattening the layers and loosing her
color gradients. Any suggestions?

I suggested doing the drawing in illustrator then opening the line drawing
in Photoshop and putting the color gradients in using PHotoshop. Will it
still flatten the color gradients even if they are done in Photoshop?

How about Debabblizer, will that work without loosing the resolution for
color gradients????

YOU see, Illustrator ONLY gives you an EPS file and she needs a jpeg/or gif
output!!!THANKS in advance!Polly

Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
[log in to unmask]
phone-402-472-2657
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Subject: Re: Listserv list

>Here is the current list of subscribers:

Thanks. You're a sweatheart <G>.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:35:27 -0600 from
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Joe and others:
  Liz Hansen at the Center for American Archeology offers internships.
I can't remember whether she is on this listserve.  She is in GNSI
Directory, but her phone number at work is 618-653-4532.
  Elaine









Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, D.C. 20560
Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894
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Subject: Re[2]: Frank?

>Hey Frank, don't forget to tell them about our list serve, specially if
>you see
>someone like Jayne, send them e-mail.

Good point, Britt. I tend to image a sort of firewall between these private
carriers and the net, but it's just a perception. Everything is all
conected <cue the soundtrack>

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Subject:  Job backgrounds

I have really enjoyed the talk (type?) about the
illustration jobs and how people came into them.
Because it's made me nostalgic, I wanted to
participate. I have a BA in art with a minor in Biology
and have worked for the State of California for 15
years in the Biological Scientific Illustrator
classification doing mostly insect illustrations and in
the last 10 years a whole lot of computer graphics like
everyone else. Mine is the only position in the state
with this classification. Overall, it's been a great job.
Unfortunately, due to budget cutbacks, I've been told
this position will probably be elliminated next summer.
Although I can transfer into another position which
may have some minimal graphics duties, I would no
longer be doing illustrations. I've read the messages
about what a great job scientific illustration can be and
I concur. The good possibility of losing this job makes
me realize how much of my identity is tied up in being
a scientific illustrator and I will have to continue to
pursue these jobs outside of work.

Gee, I didn't mean for this to sound like a downer and
I don't feel too sorry for myself, I've actually been
very lucky to have had the job. I really enjoy the talk
on this list and the connection it gives me to people
who value the work of scientific illustration. Makes me
think I should have participated in the Creative
Source Directory this year just to see what
possibilities that would open up.

Take care, all.
Linda Heath Clark
Biological Scientific Illustrator (for now)
California Department of Pesticide Regulation
Sacramento, CA.

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hi Linda....gee, you must know many insects more intimately than
many entomologists!!! Drawing something requires such a thorough
examination...I have always admired intricate insect (it's ok to call 
them insects i hope)
drawings..bodies showing through translucent wings..and the
remarkable range of colors and features. 
You are making me want to head straight home to my drawing
board...maybe start with that cricket carcus under the couch...

That is unfortunate that your position may end...but I will
bet that your skills are highly honed from years of practice
and that you are far more flexible that you realize..the
job changes in my life have always been a bit scary at first
,then I realize it was a good thing...i needed to grow my
skills in that direction. It has always worked out to the
good. Much luck to you!!  

Cheers....Jaynie 

Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility

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From: "Kristine A. Kirkeby" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Nat. Sci. Illus. training
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 96 13:39:29 -0600

In message <[log in to unmask]>  writes:
> Please note that Kris said there are 11 Newsletter issues a year, it's really 
> 
> 10. Sorry to contradict you.
> Britt
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> _
> Subject: Re: Nat. Sci. Illus. training
> ...
> >>>The Guild of Natural Science Illustrators has about 1200 members.  To
> >>>join . . . <<<
> 
> Hi Kris,
> 
> I have been pretty active on an art forum in Compuserve and in response to
> some of my postings I have been asked the same question. Would you mind if
> I lift this response, quoted verbatim. It covers exactly what is being
> asked for. (And you do it so well <G>.)
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
THanks Britt....these busy days I need all the hlp I can get!! Take care! Kris
> 



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Lisa Clarke,

I am an undergraduate student studying scientific illustration and
will graduate soon.  I am having a hard enough time finding an
internship for the summer.  I can only imagine where I'll find a
job when I get out of school soon.  Ihave heard quite a few stories
similar to yours lately.  It becomes discouraging.  Hope for the
best!
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Gee...is the whole world frozen??  You poor Great Lakes folks...
it's only a mere 6 degrees here in coastal Virginia...!
Hang in there...spring has to come sometime....doesn't it?????

Jaynie

Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility


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Hi Jaynie:  I'm a graduate student in scientific illustration at UC Santa 
Cruz.  I just wanted to let you know that not everyone is frozen; it's 70 
deg. here today.  It was raining for a little while, but the sun has 
broken through.  I'm from New England, so I empathize with all of you 
frozen folks.  Maybe we should have the 1997 GNSI annual meeting 
prematurely so everyone can come to California and thaw-out.  :)

Erik



On Mon, 5 Feb 1996 [log in to unmask] wrote:

> Gee...is the whole world frozen??  You poor Great Lakes folks...
> it's only a mere 6 degrees here in coastal Virginia...!
> Hang in there...spring has to come sometime....doesn't it?????
> 
> Jaynie
> 
> Jaynie Martz
> Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
> Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
> 
> 
> 
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On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Elaine Hodges wrote:

> Joe and others:
>   Liz Hansen at the Center for American Archeology offers internships.
> I can't remember whether she is on this listserve.  She is in GNSI
> Directory, but her phone number at work is 618-653-4532.
>   Elaine

Anyone interested in interning there, I have a friend who stayed for nine 
months and recommends it highly: John Brogan - he's in the GNSI national 
directory, or if you would like to ask him about the internships, mail me 
and I'll get you in touch with him.

Yehudit Sherman
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hi Erik....70 degrees at Santa Cruiz (sp)! NO FAIR...I thought
all of us illustrators were supposed to suffer/freeze together. :^)

May I ask what your concentration is in your masters program? 
Before this year, I was unaware there were actual 'scientific
illustration'degrees...I think that is thoroughly wonderful.
What kind of courses have you taken over the years...I am
so curious about all this. As far as I know, nothing comparable
is offered in NC or VA. Although I have to wonder about the
Duke Univ. Medical Triangle area....a massive conglomeration
of medical/research hospitals and pharmaceutical companies..
GLAXO is located in nearby Raleigh, NC.  Sounds like you are
not far from getting that masters! Good luck with all your
efforts....

Jaynie Martz, Tech. Illustrator, CEBAF
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility


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>>  Maybe we should have the 1997 GNSI annual meeting
>prematurely so everyone can come to California and thaw-out.  :)

Hey Eric,

I tell you what. How about I come out and scope it out for the rest of us
<sly_grin>.

Alterior motives abound.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Hi Jaynie:

Another sunny day in California.  :)  Actually, I'm quite far from 
getting my master's because this is a non-degree graduate program; it 
grants a graduate certificate in natural science illustration.  There are 
no graduate programs in scientific illustration, as far as I know, but I 
plan to go on for my master's in medical illustration.  This 
program has been my introduction to scientific illustration, and is 
allowing me to get some of my prerequisites for medical illustration out 
of the way.  I will be working full-time as a scientific illustration 
intern this summer and am hoping to work for a year or two in computer 
animation or illustration before going on for my master's.  I will be 
applying this summer to master's programs in medical illustration at 
Michigan, Hopkins, and R.I.T.

What is your background?

Warm and cozy in California,

Erik  :)
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Is anyone out there a medical illustrator in the Duke University
area? 
Would love to hear from you...hear what your job is like!!!\

Jaynie Martz, CEBAF


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ok...stop gloating about your sunny day! :^)  

computer animation intern...medical illustrating....duh, a light
finally went off in my head.  You folks are the ones who do the
3-D imaging of MRI and PET scans??  Do you do your own programming?
There must be so many directions you can go in this field...I
always wondered how people learned to do that 3-D medical 
imaging I see in tv documentaries..  Fascinating stuff you
guys do!!  

or am I way off base......

Thawing in VA.....Jaynie Martz


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Hi Frank:

Hey, I thought you were coming out here to teach a workshop!  :)

Erik

P.S.  It's at least 70 deg. and sunny here today.  So, I guess we'll be 
doing the workshop on the beach?
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In a message dated 96-02-06 12:13:11 EST, you write:

> As far as I know, nothing comparable
>is offered in NC or VA. Although I have to wonder about the
>Duke Univ. Medical Triangle area....a massive conglomeration
>of medical/research hospitals and pharmaceutical companies..
>GLAXO is located in nearby Raleigh, NC. 

Hi Jaynie (& others),
I used to work for the Medical Art Dept. at Duke University Medical Center in
computer graphics. I am not a Medical Illustrator and am now a full-time
freelance Natural Science Illustrator. You're right regarding the above
statements.... there aren't any formal courses to my knowledge in NC. There
are some classes offered such as the Botanical one that GNSI member Ruth
Brunstetter teaches at the NC Botanical Garden. So much is done on the
computer now and there are many computer graphics classes available.  As far
as the triangle conglomerations are concerned, many of them contract work
out... it's just tracking down the right people to contact that can take
quite a while.
If Chapel Hill/Durham is not too far to travel, our GNSI-Carolinas chapter
meets at the NC Botanical Garden and you're more than welcome to come down!
If you needed to stay the night, we're a very accommodating group and I'm
sure we can find a space for you.

Virge Kask

P.S. Don't fret about the weather, Jaynie.... I hear by Friday it will 60
again! Ugh! Summer's around the corner!
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>Hey, I thought you were coming out here to teach a workshop!  :)

Like I said, alterior motives abound <BG>. Looking forward to the visit.
Wish I was coming two weeks early.

See you soon,

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Hi Jaynie,

It sure is pleasant here in California today!  Think I'll go out and lie 
in the sun for a while, work on my tan.  :)

Computer animation is something I'm interested in, and hope to get 
experience with next fall. The program here at UC Santa Cruz covers 
programs such as Adobe illustrator, Fractal Painter, and Adobe Photoshop, 
but no courses in animation.

Time to have lunch outside in the sun.  I love California!

Erik  :)

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What a nice offer Virge....If I am unable to find a fairly
local GNSI chapter I will certainly head down your way..I have
friends in the area. A spring visit to the NC Botanical Gardens
would be heavenly.

I am hoping there might be a GNSI chapter in Williamsburg or
Norfolk Virginia.....Does anyone out there know? I haven't
subscribed yet...don't have any info. 

Thanks again Virge...you sound like you have quite a range of
experience...from medical to natural science illustrating. for
a few months, I subscribed to the Raleigh sunday paper just to
see what the art job market was like...First of all, there 
actually WAS a job market...and secondly, I don't believe I
ever saw less than 3-4 openings every weekend. Art director
and illustrator positions. It was very encouraging...that was
last year though...I have not kept track since then. When I
get fed up with 'military land'and feel the need to experience
broadened horizons I pick up the sunday Washington Post...or
the Seattle paper...the Post has positions I never see down
here like 'archeology assistant'!! 
Cheers....Jaynie Martz


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Hi Frank
What's an <alterior> motive?..<another>?
Well, that woke me up a little!
-Clara
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Hi all

Well the Great Lakes area was frozen, now it's 32 (a heat wave!) and so
gray I can't seem to wake up.  Gee I have a deadline today, you'd think that
would make some impact.
-Help!
-Clara
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>What's an <alterior> motive?..<another>?
>Well, that woke me up a little!

It's sorta like an interior motive. Except it's not inside <g>. (I guess
you never got into those really campy late '50s detective shows.)

<another, and hidden>

Good moring.

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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OK, I found the COOLEST web site!
   http://postcards.www.media.mit.edu/Postcards/

CHeck this out!They even have postcards of Scientific Illustrations that
can be sent as email to someone!Its sooooo cool!
You just need the email address of someone and you can send them a
cyberpostcard!TOO COOL!!

Just had to share this with you guys!Polly

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Subject: Help Wanted: Multimedia Coordinator

Help Wanted: Multimedia Coordinator

Immediate opening!  Multimedia Coordinator for the Art Institute of
Chicago, a world-class art museum. Assists Executive Director of Imaging to
develop a wide variety of multimedia projects, e.g. interactive kiosks,
CD-ROMs, digital video and ultimately website work.  Expert in Director,
Lingo and Macintosh. Photoshop experience.  Premiere knowledge helpful.
28/35 hours/week permanent position with excellent benefits.  Major
opportunity for wide audience to see your work.

Send resume/portfolio/salary requirements to Alan Newman,Imaging;Art
Institute Chicago;111 S.Michigan Ave; Chicago, IL 60603.  Email
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>.If I am unable to find a fairly local GNSI chapter I will certainly head
down your way..I have friends in the area. A spring visit to the NC Botanical
Gardens would be heavenly.
>
>I am hoping there might be a GNSI chapter in Williamsburg or Norfolk
Virginia.....

Jaynie,
I'm afraid you'll be out of luck as far as finding a chapter that close to
you... for the time being you'll have to go up to DC for their monthly
meetings or come down here every other month. After you've joined GNSI, you
can then set up a chapter in Norfolk... then have a national meeting....
then.....
Spring at the NC Botanical Gardens IS heavenly so come on down!
Take care, Virge
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Virge --where is the NC Botanical Gardens?
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Good Morning SciArt-L 'ers,
I just wanted to let you know that I will be leaving for three weeks and
the list will be unmoderated during that time. I'm leaving the country, so
I won't be able to access email or help with any problems or questions
concerning the list!SORRY!!

You are on your own for a while. We might put it back to moderated when I
return, unless you guys like the unmoderated format!We don't have problems
with flaming, but if there are problems with the list please contact the
University of Nebraska Computing Resources Center! Have a good one!I'm off
to India to get married!:) Life is good!!!

Cheers and good health, Polly

Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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Hello everybody, my name is Holly Trimper.  Polly Denham introduced me
to this list and you all seem like friendly (and informative) people, 
so I thought I'd introduce myself a little bit here.

I am a Museum Studies student at Univ. Nebraska-Lincoln with a minor 
in geology (vert. paleo fossils, really) and a concentrationin 
collections management and registration.  I am also an art enthusiast 
and took Polly's Scientific Illustration course last fall here at UNL.
 It was great!  Since that class I have been keeping an eye on 
illustration and graphics positions in museums and related 
institutions as well as collections-oriented jobs to better expand my 
job search.  There is a whole world of illustration out here!  Medical
illustrating sounds terribly interesting, and an area I had never 
really thought about before.

Enough of the boring stuff, here's a little about me:  born and raised
in St. Louis, MO, went to undergrad at Lawrence University in 
Appleton, WI.  I've traveled over much of this country but have never 
been over the borders (they actually turned us away from Canada 
because we had been primitive camping and had a small armament for 
protection...we almost needed it for a bear that raided our camp).  I 
love natural science, biology, paleontology, physical anthropology.  I
also like cats.

This is a really random posting; hopefully I won't get flamed...?  I'm
enjoying reading sciart-L and will continue to do so until the school 
takes my account away in May when I finish my coursework.

Thanks and hello!

-Holly Trimper
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Congrats, Polly! You do things in a big way!!

>I'm off to India to get married!:) Life is good!!!

Have a safe and wonderful journey !!
Virge


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In a message dated 96-02-08 11:03:38 EST, you write:

>-where is the NC Botanical Gardens?

It is located in Chapel Hill, NC... affiliated with the University of North
Carolina. If you need more specific directions, let me know.... my address is
[log in to unmask]
Virge


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Thanks Virge!!

Other Postcard sites if you guys are interested!I just think this is sooooo
cool!

 http://www.bulldog.org/postcard/fxz54Z6.html

 http://www.gov.pe.ca/postcard/pickup.html


Yep, never met the inlaws!I'm totally excited!!!Course, Hindi with a
southern accent-yuck!"How ya'll doin?" doesn't translate REAL well!!;)

Cheers, Polly

Pauline Denham
Museum Artist
University of Nebraska State Museum
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The Gardens are quite pretty and varied.  My sister went to school in 
Greensboro and on graduation day she took us all there to go walking. 
That was last May, and everything was blooming wonderfully.

My 2 cents,
Holly Trimper
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married and a ceremony in India!  How terribly exciting! We all
promise to behave ourselves on the net while you are gone...we
will miss you though! 

Have a wonderful time Polly!!  Congratulations!1

Jaynie Martz, CEBAF


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Congratulations from Costa Rica!!! Have a nice trip.

Silvia Troyo
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    WOW, that's all I can say, Polly!!  I cannot imagine going to
India nor can I imagine getting marriied (by itself)  I always said
I didn't want a plain Jane wedding, well you certainly aren't going
have one either are you!  Congrads!

Cande
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Frank meant "ulterior."  Dictionaries, dictionaries -
the inveterate editor (I looked up "inveterate" in the dictionary),
Elaine











Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
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Smithsonian Institution
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Best wishes to you, Polly!
Elaine












Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
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>Frank meant "ulterior."  Dictionaries, dictionaries -

My Achelie's (sp? <G>) Heel. <sigh>


Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Achilles!
i.e., Achilles' heel.
I am sending this message to the group rather than to Frank alone
just because we artists seem to have a spelling block.
Elaine









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>>Frank meant "ulterior."  Dictionaries, dictionaries -
>
>My Achelie's (sp? <G>) Heel. <sigh>
>
>
>Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
>American Museum of Natural History


u guys r sily.


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Yes. Ineed Polly. Congrats and good luck!!!

Frank

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>Achilles!
>i.e., Achilles' heel.


Ha! You took the bait. I was just testing to see how good you really are
<G>. Not bad, girl. <BG>

Frank <running and ducking>

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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you guys have me chuckling down here! Now Frank, stop pulling
Elaine's leg....we promised Polly we would behave ourselves.
ho ho   :^)  

Jaynie Martz


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>u guys r sily.

A fact. Someday I hope to be able to speak in acronyms, u c.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Shameless.......I'm not even out of the country yet and you guys are going
NUTS!!hee hee hee!!! Oh, I laughed!Very funny!

Thanks for all your good wishes!!Its VERY nice!!!!!What a  great group of
professionals!!!See you...or email you in a month!!

Cheers, Polly

Pauline Denham
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From: "Kristine A. Kirkeby" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Late Weather Report...
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 96 11:49:19 -0600

Hi Listees...  I've been on the road teaching Sci. Illus. in the K-6 Schools in 
MN but better late than never...thought you might like to be the Feb. weather 
through the eyes of Minnesotans.  Now we have 50 degrees (above 0) and melting 
like crazy,flodd warnings here too! I have labeled this winter complicated!   
Take care...Kris Kirekby GNSI Pres.
February 1996 Low Temperatures

Minimum temperature reported for the period Feb. 1-3, 1996 and 
the corresponding historical ranking for the date, month, and year
round at several locations in Minnesota. (Note 1st = coldest for 
date, February, or any date in the historical record)

Location            Min      Date      Feb    Year-round      
                    Tem      Rank      Rank     Rank
                  (deg.F)
Waseca              -35       1st      1st       3rd
Crookston           -45       1st      2nd       2nd
Wadena-Staples      -44       1st      1st       1st
Leech Lake          -46       1st      8th        *
Theilman            -40       1st      1st       2nd
Thorhult            -51       1st      1st       1st
Aitkin              -43       1st      1st       2nd
Bemidji             -47       1st      2nd       3rd
Warroad             -47       1st      2nd       2nd
Littlefork          -50       1st      1st       1st
Gull Lake           -45       1st      1st       1st
Preston             -36       1st      1st       4th
Wild River SP       -43       1st      1st       2nd
Cedar               -40       1st      1st      tied 1st
Cloquet             -40       1st      2nd       6th
Grand Rapids        -41       1st      3rd        *
Park Rapids         -48       1st      2nd       2nd
Perham              -43       1st      1st       1st
Princeton           -39       1st      1st       3rd
Rice                -43       1st      2nd       2nd
MSP                 -32       1st      2nd       3rd
Rochester           -35       1st      2nd       3rd
International Fls   -45       1st      1st       3rd
Duluth              -39       1st      1st       2nd
Hibbing             -44       1st      1st       1st    
Redwood Falls       -30       1st      2nd       5th  
Alexandria          -38       1st      1st      tied 1st
St Cloud            -40       1st      1st       3rd
La Crosse, WI       -34       1st      2nd       3rd
Eau Claire, WI      -34       1st    tied 1st    3rd  
Lamberton           -28       1st      2nd       6th
Pipestone           -33       1st      5th       6th
Worthington         -30       2nd      5th       7th
Canby               -29       1st      3rd       5th
Hutchinson          -36       1st      1st       2nd
Winona              -38       1st      1st       1st
Caledonia           -35       1st    tied 1st    2nd
Rosemount           -37       1st      1st       2nd
Faribault           -36       1st      1st       4th
Red Wing            -36       1st      1st     tied 1st
Hallock             -46       1st      2nd       4th
Itasca St Park      -52       1st      1st       1st
Winnebago           -32       1st      1st       3rd
St Paul U of M      -33       1st      1st       1st
Fergus Falls        -39       1st      4th       4th
Olivia              -33       1st    tied 1st    5th
Becker              -36       1st      1st       1st
Montevideo          -34       1st      3rd       6th
Browns Valley       -35       1st    tied 3rd    5th
Willmar             -36       1st      1st       3rd
Morris              -34       1st      7th       8th
Moorhead            -39       1st      1st     tied 1st
Grand Marais        -32       1st      3rd       3rd
Cambridge           -41       1st      1st       2nd

Several locations reported record low minimum temperatures
on other dates in the past week, and also several record 
low maximum temperatures were reported, such as the high 
of -30 degrees F at Crookston on February 2nd.

*denotes not ranked in the top 1


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Just as I hit the send button...I noticed I spelled my NAME wrong....ah yes 
there are reasons be become artists aren't there. Kris Kirkeby


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brrrrrrrrr.....gee whiz......brrrrrrrrrrrrr
I can't even read all those -30s and below without shivering. I am
shivering as I type...can't believe I was whining because we got down
to 6 degrees with a mere -21 degree windchill. 

it's a balmy 46 degrees here in Newport News, VA today...why, it's
practically bikini weather after this horrendous winter. I see why
the dinosaurs couldn't stick around.....they should have ordered 
winter sports wear from Patagonia!!  :^) dino thermalwear!

I noticed my hyacinths are poking thier heads up this morning so I
am confident there WILL be a spring this year...YES!!

enjoy your 60 degree day Kris!

Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility, CEBAF


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Hi Jaynie:  Sounds like you guys are really shivering.  Ya, it was cold 
here this morning--about 55 deg.  Burrrr.  Now it's up to seventy 
though.  It warmed up pretty quick, so I was able to bike up to campus in 
shorts and a t-shirt.  Ahhhhh, I love California weather.  :)  I'm 
heading back home (Boston) next month, so I think I am going to be frozen 
for my whole vacation.

You working on a Saturday?  Stay warm.

Erik Petersen
Natural Science Illustration
University of California, Santa Cruz
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'now it's up to seventy though...'

OK 'tan boy'....go ahead and tease us popsicles Erik! have your fun...
But we're just gonna send Frank out there to sneeze all over you!!
Bet you don't even have a cold yet!  :^)  ho ho

Jaynie Martz, CEBAF


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A cold?  What's that?  Sneeze?  Hmmmm.  Ya, Frank is coming out in a 
couple of weeks, but I don't think we are going to see much of him--he's 
going to be on the beach.  We will probably be doing portraits of the 
ocean all weekend.

Ahhhhh.  Just got back from having lunch outside among the glorious sun 
and redwood trees.  Gosh, it's the middle of the winter and my hair is 
bleaching out from being in the sun so much!  You know, you could come 
out and teach a workshop too, Jaynie.  We'll find space for you.  :)

Erik
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Just wait till you show up in D.C. - yoo bedder duk.
Elaine
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
     Please add your name to the list and forward it on.

     PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing major
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     If you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. signer of this
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Hello from sunny and warm Nebraska...ok, warm as in 40's. It is shorts and
tshirt weather!!!!

I will be teaching a beginning scientific illustration class this summer in
the 8-week session here at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. YIKES!!!  As
this will be my first time teaching such a course, I would like input from
all you EXPERTS out there on topics that should be covered, any advice on
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some basic sci. ill. training but will most likely not go into it as a
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teaching computers with multimedia. Should be fun. 

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Lana Johnson
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>But we're just gonna send Frank out there to sneeze all over you!!
>Bet you don't even have a cold yet!

Careful. You're going to give my plans away. No cold though. I think they
call it flying pneumonia (coach all the way).

Frank

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>>  We will probably be doing portraits of the
>ocean all weekend.

I like the way you think, Erik. <G>

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Hello all.
Does anyone have an up to date summary of the guidelines from the Consortium
of College and University Media Centers Fair Use Guidelines for Educational
Multimedia? We need WRITTEN proof for some of the faculty here that there
exists some rules about using other peoples creations in their own creations!

Thanks.

Lana Johnson
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I hope you will post that guideline summary to all of us out here....
That seems to be an eternal artist's dilemma.... Most people 
wouldn't dream of using a photograph, but won't think twice of
hijacking an illustration... A case in point: I discovered two
large airbrushed painting I had done for a CEBAF brochure were 
part of a Smithsonian exhibit only by chance...the PR lady in the
director's office sort of yelled it in passing..."oh Jaynie, did
you know?...it looks great!.."  Stuff gets published all the time
that I don't get credit for, but in my case, I feel like my work
is definitely a partnership...derivative in a sense, because I 
am portraying other people's work in an artistic way. CEBAF
owns everything I produce in it's behalf. I don't have a problem
with that...but it would be nice to be forewarned occasionally. 

Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator
CEBAF, Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility


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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
     Please add your name to the list and forward it on.

     PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing major
     cutbacks in funding.  In spite of the efforts of each station to
     reduce spending costs and streamline their services, the government
     officials believe that the funding currently going to these programs
     is too large a portion of funding for something which is seen as
     "unworthwhile".  Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS
     equal $1.12 per person per year, and the National Endowment for the
     Arts equals $.64 a year in total.

     A January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% of
     Americans wish to keep funding for PBS, third only to national defense
     and law enforcement as the most valuable programs for federal
     funding.  Each year, the Senate and House Appropriations commitees
     each have 13 subcommitees with jurisdiction over many  programs and
     agencies.  Each subcommitee passes its own appropriation bill.  The
     goal each year is to have each bill signed by the beginning of the
     fiscal  year, which is October 1.  In the instance of the Corporation
     of Public Broadcasting, the bill determines the funding for the next
     three years. When this issue comes up in 1996, the funding will be
     determined for fiscal years 1996-1998.  The only way that our
     representatives can be aware of the base of support for PBS and
     funding for these types of programs is by making our voices heard.
     Please add your name to this list if you believe in what we stand for.

     This list will be forwarded to the President of the United States, the
     Vice President of the United States, and Representative Newt Gingrich,
     who is the instigator of the action to cut funding to these worthwhile
     programs.

     If you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. signer of this
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     Thank you.

     1.  Elizabeth Weinert, student, University of Northern Colorado,
     Greeley, Colorado.
     2.  Nikki Marchman, student, University of Northern Colorado, Greeley,
     Colorado.
     3.  Laura King, Salt Lake City, Utah
     4.  Mary Lambert, San Francisco, CA
     5.  Sam Tucker, Seattle, WA
     6.  Steve Mack, Seattle, WA
     7.  Stacy Shelley, Sub Pop Records, Seattle, WA.
     8.  Amy Saaed, Seattle, WA
     9.  Jill Hudgins, Atlanta, GA
     10. Alex Goolsby, student, Colgate University, Hamilton, NY
     11. Aisha K. McGriff, North Carolina School of Science and Math
     12. Amy Brushwood, North Carolina School of Science and Math
     13. Mason Blackwell, student and generally great guy, The College of
     William and Mary
     14. Melinda Murphy, student, St. Mary's College of Maryland
     15. Amy Raphael, student, University of Pennsylvania
     16. Mat Costanzo, student, University of Richmond.
     17. Richard Galinski, student, Wake Forest University
     18. Jennifer Moore, student, Carnegie Mellon University
     19. Allison Make, student, Brandeis University
     20. Harlan Toplitzky, student and public television producer, Brandeis
     University
     21.  Randy Levitt, student, Brandeis University
     22. Valerie Levitt, student, Brandeis University
     23. Erica Miller,student, New York University
     24. Jobert Barin, student, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD
     25. Jeffrey Schmidt, student, California State Polytechnic University,
     Pomona.
     26. Stephen Schmidt, Sales Mgr. San Diego, CA
     27. Chris Cobb, Santa Clara, CA
     28. Guy Cross, Oracle Corp, Redwood Shores, CA
     29. Chip Lange, EA SPORTS, San Mateo, CA
     30. Kathy Progar, The 3DO Company, Redwood City, CA
     31. Melissa Svihovec, FutureTel  Inc.,  Santa Clara, CA
     32. John Salera, The 3DO Company, Redwood City, CA
     33. Noelle Lehmann, The 3DO Company, Redwood City, CA
     34. Maria Toepfer, The 3DO Company, Redwood City, CA
     35. Richard D. Titus, Motion Picture Corporation of America. Beverly
     Hills CA
     36. Jed Weintrob, MPCA, Santa Monica, CA.
     37. Catherine Park, Infogrames Multimedia, Santa Monica, CA.
     38. Jason Rubinstein, DreamWorks, Universal City, CA
     39. Jim Stern, ImagiNation Network, Burlingame, CA
     40. Romeo Baldeviso, Netscape Communications Corp., Mountain View, CA
     41. Sabina Ahmed, AirTouch Communications, San Francisco, CA
     42. Sayeed Choudhury, Wind River Systems, Alameda, CA
     43. John Ashley, Medtronic CardioRhythm, San Jose, CA
     44. Mary Long, Geoworks, Alameda, CA
     45. Heather Hanly, Geoworks, Alameda, CA
     46. Peter Hemmel, HX magazine, New York, NY
     47. Jason D. Glassner, Kansas City, MO
     48. Debbie D. Glassner, Leawood, KS
     49. Anaheed Alani, Chicago, IL
     50. Jennifer Simmons, freelance artist, San Antonio TX
     51. Debbie Garris, hair dresser, San Antonio TX
     52. Elaine Wolff, student, UT School of Law, Austin, TX
     53. Charles D. Starrett, Cambridge, MA
     54. Frieda Fan, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     55. Jason Torreano, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     56. Gregg Ritchie, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     57. Andrea Yun, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     58. Melissa Levy, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     59. Patrick Holen, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     60. Dave Saltzman, student, Indiana University, Bloomington Indiana
     61. Jay Heltzer, music student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     62. Cindy Nicholson, graduate music student, University of
     California, Santa Barbara, California
     63. William E. Loewe, III, Student, UC Santa Barbara, California
     64. Arlene Schauer, Mechanical Engineer, Livermore, CA
     65. Stephen Erickson, Utilities Analyst, Oakland, CA
     66. Peter Moyes, Writer, Sacramento, CA
     67. Patrick Newell, Librarian, San Francisco, CA
     68. Robina Royer, Law Firm Marketing Director, San Francisco, CA
     69. Robert Cavicchio, Technical Writer, San Diego, CA
     70. Keith Anderson, Technical Research Assistant, Boston, MA
     71. Ann E. Pavlik, Research Engineer, Boston, MA
     72. Mona R. Adelgren, Systems Engineer, Burlington, MA
     73. Anthony E. Turvey, graduate student, Boston, MA
     74. Nancy Crooker, Research Professor, Boston University, MA
     75. Elaine R.S.Hodges,Scientific Illustrator, Smithsonian,Wash.D.C.
     76. Ronald W.Hodges,Research Entomologist, USDA, Wash.D.C.
     77. Jennifer E. Fairman, Scientific Illustrator, Smithsonian, Wash. D.C.

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Lana,
  Are you going to teach drawing techniques to these scientists?
  I suggest giving them info re printing/publishing practices, how
to best prepare art work for good reproduction, what happens now with
scanned work, the process of printing with and without computers, use
of service agencies. Explain the difference between halftones and
continuous tone, the meaning and need of masking (amberlith/rubylith)
and register marks - by hand and by computer, mounting methods for
archival and non-archival work (best to treat everything archivally
and avoid rubber cement, for instance). Stress efficiency of re-using
art work and thus treating it well after publication, wrapping and
storing archivally.
  As I think of ideas I will pass them on.  Perhaps my suggestions
will inspire ideas from others.
  Best - Elaine













Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, D.C. 20560
Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894
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>Lana,
>  Are you going to teach drawing techniques to these scientists?


Good point Elaine. I find it usually important to include exercises that
reiterate  some basics. It is most important that those interested in
scientific illustration, particularly (but not limited to) scientists, be
shown how to delineate an idea. I will often start a semester by assigning
some sort of general drawing assignment that has a scientific bent. From
these I get an idea of stregnths and weaknesses and proceed from there. If
one can draw well, everything else follows.

Frank


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:10:51 -0600
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Subject: petition



----------------------------Original message----------------------------
     Please add your name to the list and forward it on.

     PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are facing major
     cutbacks in funding.  In spite of the efforts of each station to
     reduce spending costs and streamline their services, the government
     officials believe that the funding currently going to these programs
     is too large a portion of funding for something which is seen as
     "unworthwhile".  Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS
     equal $1.12 per person per year, and the National Endowment for the
     Arts equals $.64 a year in total.

     A January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll indicated that 76% of
     Americans wish to keep funding for PBS, third only to national defense
     and law enforcement as the most valuable programs for federal
     funding.  Each year, the Senate and House Appropriations commitees
     each have 13 subcommitees with jurisdiction over many  programs and
     agencies.  Each subcommitee passes its own appropriation bill.  The
     goal each year is to have each bill signed by the beginning of the
     fiscal  year, which is October 1.  In the instance of the Corporation
     of Public Broadcasting, the bill determines the funding for the next
     three years. When this issue comes up in 1996, the funding will be
     determined for fiscal years 1996-1998.  The only way that our
     representatives can be aware of the base of support for PBS and
     funding for these types of programs is by making our voices heard.
     Please add your name to this list if you believe in what we stand for.

     This list will be forwarded to the President of the United States, the
     Vice President of the United States, and Representative Newt Gingrich,
     who is the instigator of the action to cut funding to these worthwhile
     programs.

     If you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. signer of this
     petition, please forward a copy to [log in to unmask] If
     that address is inoperative, please send it to
     [log in to unmask]
     This way we can keep track of the lists and organize them.  Forward
     this to everyone you know, and help us to keep these programs alive.
     Thank you.

     1.  Elizabeth Weinert, student, University of Northern Colorado,
     Greeley, Colorado.
     2.  Nikki Marchman, student, University of Northern Colorado, Greeley,
     Colorado.
     3.  Laura King, Salt Lake City, Utah
     4.  Mary Lambert, San Francisco, CA
     5.  Sam Tucker, Seattle, WA
     6.  Steve Mack, Seattle, WA
     7.  Stacy Shelley, Sub Pop Records, Seattle, WA.
     8.  Amy Saaed, Seattle, WA
     9.  Jill Hudgins, Atlanta, GA
     10. Alex Goolsby, student, Colgate University, Hamilton, NY
     11. Aisha K. McGriff, North Carolina School of Science and Math
     12. Amy Brushwood, North Carolina School of Science and Math
     13. Mason Blackwell, student and generally great guy, The College of
     William and Mary
     14. Melinda Murphy, student, St. Mary's College of Maryland
     15. Amy Raphael, student, University of Pennsylvania
     16. Mat Costanzo, student, University of Richmond.
     17. Richard Galinski, student, Wake Forest University
     18. Jennifer Moore, student, Carnegie Mellon University
     19. Allison Make, student, Brandeis University
     20. Harlan Toplitzky, student and public television producer, Brandeis
     University
     21.  Randy Levitt, student, Brandeis University
     22. Valerie Levitt, student, Brandeis University
     23. Erica Miller,student, New York University
     24. Jobert Barin, student, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD
     25. Jeffrey Schmidt, student, California State Polytechnic University,
     Pomona.
     26. Stephen Schmidt, Sales Mgr. San Diego, CA
     27. Chris Cobb, Santa Clara, CA
     28. Guy Cross, Oracle Corp, Redwood Shores, CA
     29. Chip Lange, EA SPORTS, San Mateo, CA
     30. Kathy Progar, The 3DO Company, Redwood City, CA
     31. Melissa Svihovec, FutureTel  Inc.,  Santa Clara, CA
     32. John Salera, The 3DO Company, Redwood City, CA
     33. Noelle Lehmann, The 3DO Company, Redwood City, CA
     34. Maria Toepfer, The 3DO Company, Redwood City, CA
     35. Richard D. Titus, Motion Picture Corporation of America. Beverly
     Hills CA
     36. Jed Weintrob, MPCA, Santa Monica, CA.
     37. Catherine Park, Infogrames Multimedia, Santa Monica, CA.
     38. Jason Rubinstein, DreamWorks, Universal City, CA
     39. Jim Stern, ImagiNation Network, Burlingame, CA
     40. Romeo Baldeviso, Netscape Communications Corp., Mountain View, CA
     41. Sabina Ahmed, AirTouch Communications, San Francisco, CA
     42. Sayeed Choudhury, Wind River Systems, Alameda, CA
     43. John Ashley, Medtronic CardioRhythm, San Jose, CA
     44. Mary Long, Geoworks, Alameda, CA
     45. Heather Hanly, Geoworks, Alameda, CA
     46. Peter Hemmel, HX magazine, New York, NY
     47. Jason D. Glassner, Kansas City, MO
     48. Debbie D. Glassner, Leawood, KS
     49. Anaheed Alani, Chicago, IL
     50. Jennifer Simmons, freelance artist, San Antonio TX
     51. Debbie Garris, hair dresser, San Antonio TX
     52. Elaine Wolff, student, UT School of Law, Austin, TX
     53. Charles D. Starrett, Cambridge, MA
     54. Frieda Fan, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     55. Jason Torreano, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     56. Gregg Ritchie, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     57. Andrea Yun, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     58. Melissa Levy, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     59. Patrick Holen, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     60. Dave Saltzman, student, Indiana University, Bloomington Indiana
     61. Jay Heltzer, music student, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN
     62. Cindy Nicholson, graduate music student, University of
     California, Santa Barbara, California
     63. William E. Loewe, III, Student, UC Santa Barbara, California
     64. Arlene Schauer, Mechanical Engineer, Livermore, CA
     65. Stephen Erickson, Utilities Analyst, Oakland, CA
     66. Peter Moyes, Writer, Sacramento, CA
     67. Patrick Newell, Librarian, San Francisco, CA
     68. Robina Royer, Law Firm Marketing Director, San Francisco, CA
     69. Robert Cavicchio, Technical Writer, San Diego, CA
     70. Keith Anderson, Technical Research Assistant, Boston, MA
     71. Ann E. Pavlik, Research Engineer, Boston, MA
     72. Mona R. Adelgren, Systems Engineer, Burlington, MA
     73. Anthony E. Turvey, graduate student, Boston, MA
     74. Nancy Crooker, Research Professor, Boston University, MA
     75. Elaine R.S.Hodges,Scientific Illustrator, Smithsonian,Wash.D.C.
     76. Ronald W.Hodges,Research Entomologist, USDA, Wash.D.C.
     77. David A. Dennis, art student, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI
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>>Lana,
>>  Are you going to teach drawing techniques to these scientists?
>
>
>Good point Elaine. I find it usually important to include exercises that
>reiterate  some basics. It is most important that those interested in
>scientific illustration, particularly (but not limited to) scientists, be
>shown how to delineate an idea. I will often start a semester by assigning
>some sort of general drawing assignment that has a scientific bent. From
>these I get an idea of stregnths and weaknesses and proceed from there. If
>one can draw well, everything else follows.
>
>Frank


Good point Ed,

Those were my thoughts exactly. In fact, that was my message! Scary thing,
this E-stuff <G>.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Elaine.
Thanks for all the great suggestions. I will be teaching drawing to them. I
will start out with the computer creating slide presentations and then
moving into creating graphs and simple diagrams and maps and such for the
purpose of journal publications, scanning things such as gels to label on
the computer (we do a lot of that in our office here). I will get into
reproduction and publishing requirements and the other things you mentioned.

Then I will go into the basics of black and white illustration techniques,
tone drawings and then introduce them to colored pencil or water color
techniques. Most of my emphsis is going to be to prepare artwork for
printing and reproduction as most will be doing simple things for journals.

And I am to do all of this in 8 weeks!

I think it will be a fun class to teach once I get over the initial terror
of it all. 

Thanks for the suggestions. I really appreciate your input. It helps to know
what the experts think are the most important things to know in this field.

Thanks,
Lana
Lana K. Johnson
Graphics Specialist
103 Ag. Communications Bldg.
Visuals and Multimedia, CIT
University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Lincoln, NE 68583-0918
(402) 472-3025

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Britt.....

Call Ann Caudle in Santa Cruz, CA...... she's the Chair for the '97 meeting
out there and can tell you tentative dates.

Virge
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Hi folks,
        It's a chilly 62.6 degrees F here in my computer room in Costa
Rica... . Yes, it's the tropics, but highlands. Last week I was at the
beach...should've stayed there.

        I've been experimenting with a drawing slate/pad, and I've been
wondering how other people use them in biological illustration. I've worked
mainly in traditional pen and ink.  A couple of applications that I can see
are:

1) opening a greyscale or color photograph and tracing the outline in order
to get a simple black and white illustration.
2) taking my pencil drawing that I would normally stick under a piece of
multimedia velum for subsequent tracing/inking, and instead putting it on
the drawing slate to trace.

I'd love to hear from others of you on how you use computer drawing tablets
in your work.

Tropically yours, Willow



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Britt,
  The 1997 Annual GNSI meeting will be at the University of California, 
Santa Cruz, approx. 70 miles south of San Francisco, dates Approx. 2nd 
week of August.

Maureen Carey
Exhibit Coordinator

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Hi Britt:  The Annual Meeting for 1997 will be here in Santa Cruz!  But I 
think we should have now because all of you guys back east are popsicles, 
and it's 80 deg. and sunny here in Santa Cruz today!  :)

Erik Petersen
Graduate Student
Natural Science Illustration
University of California,
Santa Cruz
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>And I am to do all of this in 8 weeks!

Hi Lana,

Sounds like you don't have enough to keep you busy <g>, so here's another
suggestion.

Before getting into teaching the nuts and bolts of drawing techniques,
prepare a presentation on achieving_accurate_outlines. Talk about tools
like the Camera Lucida and transfer grids, and touch on issues that arise
when using photographs as reference. There are some great uses for the
xerox machine in the process- as long as you understand their limitations.
This will give a good foundation to build on.

Frank

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Frank
Thanks. Those are great suggestions. I am really appreciating this kind of
information from you seasoned instructors. It gives me some basis as to
where to start. Thanks and keep it coming! :-)

Lana
Lana K. Johnson
Graphics Specialist
103 Ag. Communications Bldg.
Visuals and Multimedia, CIT
University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Lincoln, NE 68583-0918
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>Frank
>Thanks. Those are great suggestions. I am really appreciating this kind of
>information from you seasoned instructors. It gives me some basis as to
>where to start. Thanks and keep it coming! :-)
>
Just wanted to say you instructors-teachers are worth 20 times your
weight in gold...no, make that PLATINUM!  Keep up the great work....

Cheers...Jaynie


Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
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Regarding the 1997 Annual Meeting:

On page 6 of the Jan. '96 GNSI Newsletter, under the heading "Annual 
Meetings," nestled within the synopsis of the Board of Directors Meeting, 
was published the location and date of the '97 Meeting (proposed 9-16 
Aug.).  (I read the entire thing when I had stomach flu.  Thank you for 
your efforts, Clara Simpson.)

I have proposed that our big evening gala be a bar-b-q and volleyball on 
the beach. This IS California... (and for saying that I will probably now 
be held responsible -- volunteered -- to organize it...)

Cheers,

Yehudit Sherman
Freelance
Santa Cruz
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>I have proposed that our big evening gala be a bar-b-q and volleyball on
>the beach. This IS California...

Sounds too serious. I was hoping perhaps that Elaine would lead us all into
a round of bungee_jumping over the Pacific! <G>

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Willow;

Oops, forgot something.  There should be a preferences selection where 
you can set the relationship between your tablet and your screen.  I've 
set mine at one-to-one, and that way I can place a sketch on my tablet 
(if it fits) and trace it there into the open drawing application without 
having to scan it in.  It works.

Cheers,

Yehudit

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We in California certainly do have trouble getting those in the East to 
take us seriously...

On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Frank Ippolito wrote:

> 
> >I have proposed that our big evening gala be a bar-b-q and volleyball on
> >the beach. This IS California...
> 
> Sounds too serious. I was hoping perhaps that Elaine would lead us all into
> a round of bungee_jumping over the Pacific! <G>
> 
> Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
> American Museum of Natural History
> 
> 
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Willow;

I got my WACOM tablet nearly a year ago and I will never try to draw with 
a mouse again.  I do a lot of maps for reports, and the first mouse-drawn 
maps looked very clunky.  Nowadays I scan in USGS topo maps and trace (in 
Aldus/Macromedia Freehand -- it is just like Adobe Illustrator) only the 
items useful to us, then add details pertinent to the study.  I also used 
it when doing figures for signage.

If anyone out there is still trying to draw with a mouse, THAT is why you 
don't like to draw on the computer.  Don't get a tablet with an active 
area smaller than 6"x9" (150cm x 230cm).  There is a company that makes 
tablets with two-foot active (drawing) area.  If anyone is interested I 
can get the name.  WACOM has the best name in the business.

Be prepared for the WACOM driver (the WACOM control panel in the Control 
Panels folder of the System folder) to be rather testy regarding your 
other extensions.  This is called being "incompatible," meaning your 
tablet will not co-exist peacefully with many other extensions; it will 
either disable or be disabled by some others.  This is because the tablet 
is acting as the mouse entering through a different type of port, which is 
quite an accomplishment.  I recently had to remove my FAX software from 
the System folder to get back use of my tablet.  It also disables my 
After Dark screen saver. 

Now that you have a tablet, you  may also take advantage of Fractal 
Design's Painter, which will allow you to mimic natural media in a 
rewarding way.

I, too, experienced quite a chill when working in the rain forests of 
Australia.  It was the end of winter and we were in the mountains.  Not 
usually what people picture.  But it sure was better than the heat and 
humidity that came during the summer - yuck!  I envy you all the birds 
you are seeing!

Cheers,

Yehudit Sherman
Freelance
Santa Cruz, California
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>We in California certainly do have trouble getting those in the East to
>take us seriously...

Please don't burden the rest of the East with responsibilty for my
ramblings <G>. As near as I can tell, I have given equally irreverant
treatment to those on both coasts. <show of hands> See?

I am expecting the '97 meeting to be a real winner. Looking forward to it.

Cheers,

Frank

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    Willow, I'm in the tropics, I'm not in the highlands and still  am
freezing. I have almost forgotten how the sun looked like...
    I have been trying to use my Wacom Tablet. I found that it is quicker
and easier to use the mouse when I draw with the Adobe Illustrator drawing
tools (anchor points, direction lines and all these funny things). Should I
practice more? Drawing with the stylus is still for me like drawing with a
bar of soap!

                                               Silvia



Silvia Troyo
Ilustradora cientifica - Diseno grafico
INBio
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>    Willow, I'm in the tropics, I'm not in the highlands and still  am
>freezing. I have almost forgotten how the sun looked like...
>    I have been trying to use my Wacom Tablet. I found that it is quicker
>and easier to use the mouse when I draw with the Adobe Illustrator drawing
>tools (anchor points, direction lines and all these funny things). Should I
>practice more? Drawing with the stylus is still for me like drawing with a
>bar of soap!
>
>                                               Silvia
>
>
>
Hi Silvia....I use both.   Sometimes I just miss my mouse and switch to
it....when
i get tired of jabbing with the stylus...

Cheers...Jaynie


Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
http://www.cebaf.gov
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Thanks Yehudit, Silvia, and Jaynie for your comments,
        Sounds like there are varying opinions out there re: usefulness of
these things.

        Silvia - the first time I tried a tablet was at your place(INBIO) -
it did seem clunky, and I can't imagine it replacing fine pen and ink
drawings. But for illustrations that don't need a whole lot of detail (i.e.
general/simple plant family characteristics?)- where one is trying to get
some basic ideas across in line drawings- it may be faster once one gets
the hang of it.

        I may also be using it to add in a few things to some maps, here,
Yehudit.

        I bought a 6X9 CalComp, as it was cheaper than the Wacom. I'd love
to have Fractal Design Painter, but my budget at this moment has only
allowed me to get SmartSketch (which is a pretty nifty program for it's
price). I have tried Illustrator and an old version of Freehand.

Willow, [log in to unmask], Monteverde, Costa Rica


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Who is going to hold the bungee cord?













Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History
Smithsonian Institution
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Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894
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Sylvia:
I agree with you, but wondered if it was just that I haven't given the tablet enough ti 
enough time.

Frank, you like your Wacom pad: what do you say
??
(Jeez, I hate line editors..)
too bad you backed down and apologized.  This whole thing has been fun to 
read - just another wake-up <g>
-Clara
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Frank is of course!
-Clara
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>Frank is of course!

Oh, I think Frank should lead the jump....show us all how to do it!!  :^)
I promise to take photos and clap!

Jaynie



Jaynie Martz
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>Who is going to hold the bungee cord?

>Frank is of course!

>Oh, I think Frank should lead the jump....show us all how to do it!!  :^)


Hey now, are you suggesting that I *hold my own*? That's no fun, and
besides, the outcome is all too predictable. Furthermore it is too close to
my actual lifestyle. I want NEW experiences! <G>

>I promise to take photos and clap!

Jaynie, may I suggest you concentrate on one activity or the other <g>. But
if it makes your job any easier, you can just pre-focus on the little "X"
drawn in the sand.

Actually I was thinking that this activity might replace the "advice from
the elders" program. Who'll hold the bungee? I'm not sure. Elaine, will Les
be joining us next year? <BG>

Frank <taking out a second insurance policy>

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>too bad you backed down and apologized.  This whole thing has been fun to
>read - just another wake-up <g>

No appologies. Just a clara-fication <G>.

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>Frank, you like your Wacom pad: what do you say


Honestly I haven't had time to work with it. The re-learning curve is
significant. If drawing with the pen is "drawing with a bar of soap", then
drawing with a mouse is like drawing with a cinder block. But I've gotten
pretty used to working with the brick, so I'll have to shake things up a
bit. I'll keep you posted. My impressions are that it is too big. (12x 12)
I might recommend checking out the 6 x 9. Consider that when working in the
lower right hand corner of the image, when you want to pull down the file
menu, you have to reach all_the_way to the other side of the tablet. Not
too smooth.

On a related note, I saw a great sign of things to come in a recent issue
of Computer Graphics World. As we have all been lamenting, the real
breakthrough with these things will come only when they allow us to work on
the actual image (ie. combine the function of monitor and tablet). Well as
can be expected, the cutting edge is also the very_high_end market.
Targeted for the CAD and SFX market, a company from Canada has introduced
an "interactive desk". This piece of furniture has an adjustable working
surface that sports a 20" x 30" flat monitor that supports 1260 x 1024
resolutions. The artist draws on the surface using a light pen. The concept
is exactly what we have all been wishing for. But the price tag is still a
wee bit high ($50,000). Still, you can expect that this technology will
tricle down over the next few years and by the year 2000 or so we should
expect to see a 3rd or 4th generation of this with a 21" monitor going for
3 or 4 grand. It would be a powerful tool.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>>I promise to take photos and clap!
>
>Jaynie, may I suggest you concentrate on one activity or the other <g>. But
>if it makes your job any easier, you can just pre-focus on the little "X"
>drawn in the sand.

hey...I can multitask with the best of em!

>Frank <taking out a second insurance policy>
>
good idea...I might take a policy out on you too!  :^)

Jaynie


Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
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>>too bad you backed down and apologized.  This whole thing has been fun to
>>read - just another wake-up <g>
>
>No appologies. Just a clara-fication <G>.

eeeuuuuuuwwwww....Frank, I think you have just been elected the sci-art
class clown.
no more raunchy puns today!!   please!!  :^)

Jaynie


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In message <[log in to unmask]>  writes:
> Britt.....
> 
> Call Ann Caudle in Santa Cruz, CA...... she's the Chair for the '97 meeting
> out there and can tell you tentative dates.
> 
> Virge

And Hey!  The 1998 is in Ames Iowa June 20-28!



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For anyone in the Washington, D.C. area:


21 March 1996
7:30 p.m.
Education Building Auditorium
National Zoo
Enter at Connecticut Ave.
Park in Lot A.
Free, but RSVP requested.
Call (202) 673-4801 or e-mail to [log in to unmask]

In recognition of Women's History Month and the Smithsonian's 150th
anniversary, Andrew Connors, associate curator at the National Museum of
American Art, will present an illustrated lecture, "Art for Science:
BotanicalIllustration and Photography by Mary Vaux Walcott."

When Walcott was in her twenties, she made her first trip to the
Canadian Rockies, where she became a mountain climber, photographer, and
botanical illustrator. As a woman, she received no recognition for her
drawings or her photographs, which were exhibited only under her
surname. In 1913 on one of her research trips to the Canadian Rockies,
she met Charles Doolittle Walcott, the Secretary of the Smithsonian
Institution. They married the next year. In 1925, 400 of her
illustrations were published by the Smithsonian in a five-volume set
titled "North American Wild Flowers."

Connors talk will be richly illustrated with slides of the Canadian
Rockies, the desert Southwest, and other locations where Walcott focused
her artistic and scientific talents.

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Hi all!  Speaking of training, thought people might be interested in knowing 
about the Spring GNSI Workshop.....

   Take a walk through the 28 varied acres of botanical gardens at the Franklin 
Park Conservancy in Columbus Ohio and then join fellow artists and illustrators 
for a Botanical Get-Away" Weekend Workshop.  The workshop will be held April 
13-14 from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. The emphasis is botanical illustration.  Two 
instructors will be teaching:  Elizabeth Sieferd will teach seeing and painting 
color in watercolor for botanical art and illustration. Merri Nelson will focus 
on creating good botanical field sketches, how to see form and capture accuracy 
in botanical specimens.  Columbus is 8 hours from Chicago or Washington D.C. so 
its a reachable spot for many. For more information contact Merri Nelson, 15612 
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In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:40:48 -0600 from <[log in to unmask]>

I guess this is a silly question, but who is Les?
By the way, what is bungee jumping?  Don't forget, you're dealing with
an elderly lady, sonny and little ladies.  I'm not up on these new-
fangled inventions. Do you fly by in an airplane and jump out holding
a rope instead of a parachute? There aren't any buildings by the Santa
Cruz beach, are there?  Let's be accurate in our perceptions, kiddies,
we're scientific illustrators.
Elaine    mbigger <-:y






Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History
Smithsonian Institution
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How about auctioning off Frank at the D.C. mtg?

A serious message:
  Calif. Academy of Sciences is offering an internship in biological
illustration for an undergrad student "interested in developing illustration
techniques related to biological specimens."
Internship period:  full time 10 weeks during summer.
Stipend:  $1,500.
To Apply:  send a letter of interest, resume, sample of previous work,
and letter of recommendation from a faculty member to:
Biological Illustration Internship
c/o Director of Research
Calif. Academy of Sciences
Golden Gate Park
San Francisco, CA  94118

Due date for materials:  April 30, 1996
Questions:  call Director of Research at 415-750-7277 or
e-mail: [log in to unmask]

Proper e-mail etiquette would require that I post this on a new
message so the subject line would be correct - but the message,
alas, is now under "drawing slates."





Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History
Smithsonian Institution
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Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894
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 My impressions are that it is too big. (12x 12)
>I might recommend checking out the 6 x 9. Consider that when working in the
>lower right hand corner of the image, when you want to pull down the file
>menu, you have to reach all_the_way to the other side of the tablet. Not
>too smooth.

I agree with you,Frank. It's easier with the mouse.

Silvia Troyo
Ilustradora cientifica - Diseno grafico
INBio
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Friends,

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If drawing with the mouse is easier, or you still find the stylus clunky, 
please PRACTICE!  There is no comparison to the dexterity one achieves 
with the stylus that one can't ever squeeze out of a mouse.

I still prefer traditional media, feeling the variations of the surface 
interact with that of my tools in hand.  But if you take a look at 
Fractal Design's Web site, you'll see that people are doing very finely 
honed art with the stylus.

I would be suprised to hear that everyone doing all the touch-up work in 
PhotoShop might actually be using a mouse?!

Cheers,

Yehudit Sherman
Freelance
Santa Cruz, California

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>I would be suprised to hear that everyone doing all the touch-up work in
>PhotoShop might actually be using a mouse?!

I'm doing a whole *lot* of touch-up work in photoshop with a mouse...it
never occurred to me that it's particularly clumsy or difficult, since it
goes so quickly - I can hardly imagine it going any faster or smoother, but
then agin, maybe the kind of touch-up work I'm doing is qualitatively
different from what you're doing.

Doug Yanega       Illinois Natural History Survey, 607 E. Peabody Dr.
Champaign, IL 61820 USA      phone (217) 244-6817, fax (217) 333-4949
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> My impressions are that it is too big. (12x 12)
>>I might recommend checking out the 6 x 9. Consider that when working in the
>>lower right hand corner of the image, when you want to pull down the file
>>menu, you have to reach all_the_way to the other side of the tablet. Not
>>too smooth.
>
>I agree with you,Frank. It's easier with the mouse.

Hi Silvia.....I should have included the fact that I use a 6 x 9 Wacom
Artpad II with
erasable pen....the compact format is a big plus!! and I find that drawing
contiuous
curvy shapes is more managable with a stylus.

Jaynie


Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
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12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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>By the way, what is bungee jumping?  Don't forget, you're dealing with
>an elderly lady, sonny and little ladies.  I'm not up on these new-
>fangled inventions. Do you fly by in an airplane and jump out holding
>a rope instead of a parachute? There aren't any buildings by the Santa
>Cruz beach, are there?  Let's be accurate in our perceptions, kiddies,
>we're scientific illustrators.

Hi Elaine......we were just being silly with the bungee jumping .....nobody
is really
going to do it. Nobody in thier right mind anyway!  :^)   Bungee jumping is an
acceptable form of near demise and is accomplished by jumping off a high bridge
into a gorge attached only to a rope of sorts that is secured to your bod
by some
guy you never met before in your life and who doesn't have to be certified or
licensed in any safety capacity.  At least the airlines offer flight insurance!!

What projects are you currently working on at the Museum if I may ask?

Jaynie


Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
http://www.cebaf.gov
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If you live in the Washington, D.C., area, you might be interested in
this lecture:




21 March 1996
7:30 p.m.
Education Building Auditorium
National Zoo
Enter at Connecticut Ave.
Park in Lot A.
Free,  but RSVP requested.
Call (202) 673-4801 or e-mail to [log in to unmask]

In recognition of Women's History Month and the Smithsonian's 150th
anniversary, Andrew Connors, associate curator at the National Museum of
American Art, will present an illustrated lecture, "Art for Science:  Botanical
Illustration and Photography by Mary Vaux Walcott."

When Walcott was in her twenties, she made her first trip to the Canadian
Rockies, where she became a mountain climber, photographer, and botanical
illustrator.  As a woman, she received no recognition for her drawings or her
photographs, which were exhibited only under her surname.  In 1913 on one of
her research trips to the Canadian Rockies, she met Charles Doolittle Walcott,
the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution.  They married the next year.  In
1925, 400 of her illustrations were published by the Smithsonian in a
five-volume set titled "North American Wild Flowers."

Connors talk will be richly illustrated with slides of the Canadian Rockies,
the desert Southwest, and other locations where Walcott focused her artistic
and scientific talents.

Office of Public Affairs, National Zoo
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See, I have found pretty much what you have found - especially for vector dr
(line editors, bah!) drawing.  I have found it much more useful for bitmapped.
The whole screen thing sounds so cool!  Your very own <Natural History>,
the most recent one has a review of a Nat. Geo. CD of maps of everything.
The reviewer cleverly says you should install a monitor in your coffee table
- like a coffee table book.

I agree completely that using the pen for getting menu commands is clumsy.
See I love my TurboMouse, but not everyone agrees with me (I just want the
world at my fingertips, I understand it's available, but I just have a 
plain old gray sphere).

-Clara
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Yehudit,

I was actually kind-of hoping someone would just tell me to practice a
bit, that's really why I put the question out there.  My limited \
(oops, that line editor again) experience tells me that for bitmapped 
images it would really be more useful.  Do you find you prefer the
stylus for drawing lines in Illustrator??

-Clara Simpson
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Field Museum
Chicago
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Hi Jaynie!

Are you set up again, yet?

Jaynie, do you work mostly with bitmapped images, or do you
find the stylus good for vector curves also??

I'm intrigued that you use a small one, we have a 12 x 12.
As I already told someone, I use a TurboMouse which just flies
across the screen.
-Cheers-
Clara
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Clara.
I have a Wacom drawing tablet (6x9) and I love it. It took me awhile to get
used to using it and not pressing too hard and figuring out how to do the
clicking. But now I use it in bit map images exclusively. THe mouse seems so
cumbersome. I still use the mouse in my vector drawing packages most of the
time as this seems to work better for me. I am sure if I would practice more
I would get used to that too. But since time is everything, my mouse for
that is faster. We have another artist here that uses only the tablet. She
got rid of her mouse totally. So I think it is individual preference and how
much you want to practice and play with it. And I really like the 6x9 size
too.  GOod luck!
Lana K. Johnson
Graphics Specialist
103 Ag. Communications Bldg.
Visuals and Multimedia, CIT
University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Lincoln, NE 68583-0918
(402) 472-3025

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>Hi Jaynie!
>
>Are you set up again, yet?
>
Hi Clara....how nice to hear from you....Yep, I am set up again...got a new
power mac, got all my software loaded and all 6000 + drawings transferred
over...but today I am in the frustrating business of trying to download drivers
for the equipment that wasn't stolen (but the driver software was)....bummer

>Jaynie, do you work mostly with bitmapped images, or do you
>find the stylus good for vector curves also??
 >
 I think the stylus is a bit better than the mouse for bitmapped work..pixel by
pxiel stuff...also, it is easier to trace amorphous shapes (vector curves) with
a stylus....but neither the stylus or the mouse act like a true pencil would do
they. It is a little disappointing. the stylus also takes a lot more
practice than
the mouse because of its sentitivity levels....

>I'm intrigued that you use a small one, we have a 12 x 12.
>As I already told someone, I use a TurboMouse which just flies
>across the screen.

That is good that you like your 12 x 12...Personally, I would be thrilled
with a
2 x 2...that would be the ultimate in efficiency for the stuff I do. But I
am happy
with my Wacom for now...the actual working area is 5 x 4.

Have a nifty day....Jaynie

Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
http://www.cebaf.gov
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Hi there Willow...

I brought in the New York Times travel section to read during the rainy
lunch hour today....its on Costa Rica. Featuring Corcovado Nation Park....
have you been there?  There is a photo of the beautiful Morpho butterfly....
Also featured is the Manuel Antonio National Park....it all looks very
exotic and wild.   gee....no 7-elevens anywhere in sight!

Cheers....Jaynie


Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
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>I guess this is a silly question, but who is Les?
>By the way, what is bungee jumping?


Ha! Sorry. That was a real bona fide typo. Wes! W_E_S. <G>

Bungee junping, as you have learned is the art of knotting a rubber band
around your ankle and junping from a dizzying height. It's main benifit is
that it forces you to make peace with all your love ones before going out
to play <G>.

Frank

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>How about auctioning off Frank at the D.C. mtg?

You mean people would *pay* for this abuse??? I have to rethink this <G>.

I promise I'll behave. ;)


Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>I agree with you,Frank. It's easier with the mouse.:Silvia Troyo

>I would be suprised to hear that everyone doing all the touch-up work in
>PhotoShop might actually be using a mouse? :Yehudit Sherman

>I can hardly imagine it going any faster or smoother, but
then agin, maybe the kind of touch-up work I'm doing is qualitatively
different from what you're doing.:Doug Yanega

>I agree completely that using the pen for getting menu commands is clumsy.
See I love my TurboMouse, but not everyone agrees with me: Clara

>So I think it is individual preference and how
much you want to practice and play with it. Lana

Yes. I believe it is individual preference. And practice. What ever your
tool. The human brain shows an amazing ability to adapt and learn. I have
been using my mouse for some pretty intricate photo-retouching and drawing.
When I have some time I will relearn these skills using a stylus. I expect
that I will also come to use them both, but how that falls_out only time
will tell. I also plan on experimenting with a 3D mouse in my 3D apps. It
is a pointing device that keeps track of X, Y, & Z coordinates as you draw
in the air. "Hey are you doing Tai Chi or another botanical line drawing?"

Frank

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> Your very own <Natural History>,
>the most recent one has a review of a Nat. Geo. CD of maps of everything.
>The reviewer cleverly says you should install a monitor in your coffee table
>- like a coffee table book.

I'll have to look that one up. What do you think of the redesign?

BTW I think that over time the computer will be a concept that has less and
less to do with a machine sitting astride a desktop. It will be interwoven
into our environment. Coffee table and all.

Frank

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in my 3D apps. It
is a pointing device that keeps track of X, Y, & Z coordinates as you draw
in the air. "Hey are you doing Tai Chi or another botanical line drawing?

So Frank, are you doing skulls in 3d??  If you are I guess I'd like to
hear about it..please..
-Clara
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Yes, Jaynie,
        Corcovado is beautiful... Last time I was there I got two new
mammals for my list - paca and tapir! A very wild place... has some
similarities to South America.

        Manuel Antonio is also a stunning place, but not as tranquil as
Corcovado. It's been overrun by tourists, and for all I know there may be a
7-11 there by now!

HEY FOLKS,

How about a GNSI conference in Costa Rica??!! Or at least a workshop.
Some of you will be glad to know that there is even BUNGEE JUMPING here.

Actually, I heard that Nancy Halliday may be arranging some sort of
workshop here involving a final product (i.e. natural history interpretive
pamphlet) with our local non-profits: Monteverde Institute and Monteverde
Conservation League. When I find out more, I'll post it here.


Willow Zuchowski
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Britt, Frank, et al.:
Someone at work approached me today about putting a Quark Xpress document I just
finished on the Web (at the FM site).  I donUt know anything about software for 
creating Web pages:  should it be able to take the Quark doc. with its 
associated images?  is this the right way or is it better to just start over??  

Then, of course comes the color calibration issue, guess I better reread the 
recent discussion from this forum...

PS HowUs our Web page coming??  (I canUt call up the Web here yet)

Thanks!
-Clara
__________________________________________________________________
CLARA R.SIMPSON                                       FIELD MUSEUM
Illustrator                            Chicago, Illinois USA 60605
Department of Zoology                   Phone: (312) 922-9410 x620
available Wednesdays and Thursdays             Fax: (312) 663-5397
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oh dear, our VAX made my apostrophes <U>s..sorry
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Clara,

When I first started using the stylus I couldn't even open any documents 
because I couldn't manage the double-click.  Remember how clumsy 
pen-and-ink was the first time?  Same thing, only less practice 
necessary.  Don't press too hard; pulling down menu commands is easier 
that way.

There is  a pressure-sensitive drawing tool in Freehand that allows for 
nice lines with the stylus and only chunky lines with the mouse.  But I 
also find the stylus more natural in my hand and allowing for more 
refined modifications for doing just about anything in Freehand.

Cheers,

Yehudit Sherman
Freelance
Santa Cruz, CA

On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Simpson wrote:

> Yehudit,
> 
> I was actually kind-of hoping someone would just tell me to practice a
> bit, that's really why I put the question out there.  My limited \
> (oops, that line editor again) experience tells me that for bitmapped 
> images it would really be more useful.  Do you find you prefer the
> stylus for drawing lines in Illustrator??
> 
> -Clara Simpson
> [log in to unmask]
> Field Museum
> Chicago
> 
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>So Frank, are you doing skulls in 3d??  If you are I guess I'd like to
>hear about it..please..


Not yet. But soon I hope. I have been doing some basic illustration in 3D
for freelance textbooks and stuff. I also have begun beta testing a new
approach too Web design that allows the creation of 3D objects that
visitors can manipulate. Very basic capabilities, but with tremendous
promise. I want to expand exeryone's mind with the possoibilities. So stay
tuned.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Re: Quark to Web

>Britt, Frank, et al.:
>Someone at work approached me today about putting a Quark Xpress document
>I just
>finished on the Web (at the FM site).

I am unaware of the HTML capabilities of Quark, but I will look into it. In
either case you would have to do some fancy editing for the document to
read the same online.

I plan on implementing my own Web page as soon as I return from Santa Cruz.
And as soon as I have that in hand (ie. no later than early April) I plan
on taking a solid look at the GNSI project. I believe Britt has also been
experiencing a year_from_hell, so I suspect he is no further along than I.

Frank


Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Subject: Re: drawing slates


>(oops, that line editor again)
>(oops, that line editor again)
>(oops, that line editor again)
>(oops, that line editor again)
>(oops, that line editor again)

LOL Clara, I absolutely love reading your postings. I have in mind a
cartoon character (who coincidentally looks alot like you) with far flung
hair and oversized glasses in a constant state of war with her character
generator <VBG>.I will lament the day when you get a hold of a decent word
processing setup. Good Morning, indeed!!!

Cheers,

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Clara,
Your line edit e-mail is making me cringe (thinking of you having to work with 
it.)

There are several ways to get a quark file to the web page. To do this best 
requires Photoshop, or some other specialty program I don't know much about.  
And I have one or two alteranatives that are great if you have a little money.


One: There is a Save as EPS funtion in Quark in the File Menu. Save the page 
with Mac color preview.

Two: With PhotoShop 3.0 or greater, Open the EPS Preview of the file, you now 
have a file you can save as an Index Gif Format. Ther is some dithering in the 
Preview which maybe annoying if you are working with large flat areas of color.  
You can improve this by shrinking your file to a smaller size before con verting 
to Index Gif. When you convert to Index Color stick with the System pallet and 
Dithred setting for cross platform viewing on those messily 256 color PC 
screens. Or use Adaptive Pallet and Dithered setting to get the most accurate 
color. You can choose less than 8-bit color to reduce the size of your files, at 
the cost of color accuracy. Turn your monitor to 256 colors to view how this 
will look on the web to those with minnimal systems.

If you need a full 24-bit color file to convert to Gif. Get Adobe Screen Ready 
$110. Converts any EPS file to a 72dpi PICT bitmap image for use in photoshop or 
other GIF creation program.

If you want to retain the full 24 bit color of your image on the web save the 
RGB image as JPEG at appropriate compression.

There are many pakages out there for conversion to bit maps for the Web, 
generally the ones that convert an EPS file cost money.

Color is a wild thing on the web don't try to tame it. Generally PCs show an 
image to dark and Silicon Graphics show it to light (that is if you created it 
on a mac-this is a real deep area, watch out!) Just use the Gamma plug in that 
comes with photoshop, and maybe go a little light in you image. For all those 
PCs in the veiwing public (don't hit me Frank!!!)

Any Questions?

[log in to unmask]
_______________________________________________________________________________

Someone at work approached me today about putting a Quark Xpress document I just
finished on the Web (at the FM site).  I donUt know anything about software for 
creating Web pages:  should it be able to take the Quark doc. with its 
associated images?  is this the right way or is it better to just start over??  

Then, of course comes the color calibration issue, guess I better reread the 
recent discussion from this forum...

PS HowUs our Web page coming??  (I canUt call up the Web here yet)

Thanks!
-Clara

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>>(don't hit me Frank!!!)

Yeah, you better run <G>.

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Frank and Britt:

Thanks for your replies.

On the Quark/Web thing I wasn't trying to chide you two.on the Guild page, lord 
knows we're all behind...Britt, I think what you just sent is exactly what I 
need for now.

Frank:  The 3D thing; walk me and whoever else through it if you have the 
inclination...I assume you put in coordinates in a grid; for something as 
complicated as a skull that would be a heck of a lot of coordinates.  On paper 
no one can rotate the image, so what is the print application??  or is it an 
electronic endproduct??

Rest assured on the line editor:  I need $120 for a cable in the wall and you 
can guess how fast that's going to happen.  Actually Bill and I just got set up 
at home ([log in to unmask], I think) and it's Eudora, so I start to see why 
everyone else's messages are so intelligible!

-Clara
__________________________________________________________________
CLARA R.SIMPSON                                       FIELD MUSEUM
Illustrator                            Chicago, Illinois USA 60605
Department of Zoology                   Phone: (312) 922-9410 x620
available Wednesdays and Thursdays             Fax: (312) 663-5397
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22 Feb.
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Subject: Re[2]: drawing slates

Frank, are we talking JAVA applets here?
Britt
_______________________________________________________________________________
 I also have begun beta testing a new
approach too Web design that allows the creation of 3D objects that
visitors can manipulate. Very basic capabilities, but with tremendous
promise. I want to expand exeryone's mind with the possoibilities. So stay
tuned.

Frank

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"year_from_hell">>>>>You Are Correct Sir!

Clara,

Are you trying to just produce a picture of your quark page, or put a document 
on line?  I was under the impression it was the former, Frank seems to think its 
the latter.

If you are trying to put the document on line as text etc., that is a little out 
of my field yet.  However, the Quark extension Business Hhas some plug-In I'm 
sure that will do the job ($$$$). Or you could publish it as an Acrobat 
document; the new Netscape reader is suppose to treat these the same as HTML 
(but slower I bet) However, non Netscape viewers would download the file to your 
computer and ask for an acrobat viewer to look at them.

Frank,

    I've been working on the Web page at our Office, We don't yet have the CGI 
scripts to make Forms, ClickMaps, or E-mail reply work, but it's a "Thing-o-
beauty" and still under construction.

http://st-kitts.gsfc.nasa.gov     Not for distribution beyond our group.


[log in to unmask]
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From:    <[log in to unmask]> at Internet
Date:    2/22/96  4:24 PM

>Britt, Frank, et al.:
>Someone at work approached me today about putting a Quark Xpress document
>I just
>finished on the Web (at the FM site).

I am unaware of the HTML capabilities of Quark, but I will look into it. In
either case you would have to do some fancy editing for the document to
read the same online.

I plan on implementing my own Web page as soon as I return from Santa Cruz.
And as soon as I have that in hand (ie. no later than early April) I plan
on taking a solid look at the GNSI project. I believe Britt has also been
experiencing a year_from_hell, so I suspect he is no further along than I.

Frank


Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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To all,

        Has anyone considered sending examples of their worked as
attachments to the list-serv notes? This may not be "legal" or proper; I
suppose we should ask Polly.

        Also, it may mean long downloading of messages (and some of us pay
dearly for WWW access and telephone time). Anyway, I thought I'd throw the
idea out there and see whether those who know more about how list-serv
messages get from here to all over might shed some light on the
feasibility.

        It would be neat to share our work electronically, and maybe that's
one of the things the GNSI Web page will do.

Willow Zuchowski
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There is an extension called HexWeb XT that will let you let you convert
Quark documents to HTML for Web pages.  It was in beta until this week.
Manufacturer: HexMac International Ltd.


>
>Britt, Frank, et al.:
>Someone at work approached me today about putting a Quark Xpress document I
just
>finished on the Web (at the FM site).  I donUt know anything about software
for 
>creating Web pages:  should it be able to take the Quark doc. with its 
>associated images?  is this the right way or is it better to just start
over??  
>
>Then, of course comes the color calibration issue, guess I better reread the 
>recent discussion from this forum...
>
>PS HowUs our Web page coming??  (I canUt call up the Web here yet)
>
>Thanks!
>-Clara
>__________________________________________________________________
>CLARA R.SIMPSON                                       FIELD MUSEUM
>Illustrator                            Chicago, Illinois USA 60605
>Department of Zoology                   Phone: (312) 922-9410 x620
>available Wednesdays and Thursdays             Fax: (312) 663-5397
>                                          email: [log in to unmask]
>22 Feb. 96
>
>
>
>oh dear, our VAX made my apostrophes <U>s..sorry
>

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>        It would be neat to share our work electronically, and maybe that's
>one of the things the GNSI Web page will do.

I think that your observation about download time is correct for some. Also
some software uses a very small buffer for E-mail and can make the system
crash if those buffers are overrun (been there, done that). But to share
one's work online could be viable. I just don't think the list is the way
to do it. Too many unsuspecting victims <G>.

However, a direct E-mail to specific individuals is simple. Just be aware
that there are sometimes format issues when this type of transfer takes
place.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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>"year_from_hell">>>>>You Are Correct Sir!

Yeah, what's in the air. Mabey it's global warming or something. <G>

>    I've been working on the Web page at our Office, We don't yet have the CGI
>scripts to make Forms, ClickMaps, or E-mail reply work, but it's a "Thing-o-
>beauty" and still under construction.

Sounds great I will take some time upon my return to check it out.

>>Frank, are we talking JAVA applets here?

No actually something much more robust. But also propietary. For those who
have the basic setup, it will allow the exploration of, and interaction
with, 3D objects in a 3D environment. It is very cool. But like everything
else, will have to wait until next week.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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>        Has anyone considered sending examples of their worked as
>attachments to the list-serv notes? This may not be "legal" or proper; I
>suppose we should ask Polly.

I've seen it done on other lists, it certainly isn't a question of
legality, at least.

>        Also, it may mean long downloading of messages (and some of us pay
>dearly for WWW access and telephone time).

This is the main problem - large binary attachments are cumbersome for all
involved - and I would suspect that if such exchanges were desired, it
would be FAR better to handle them personally. A message saying "I have
such-n-such a file in Illustrator X.X, uuencoded and pkzipped, for anyone
interested". This is also preferrable because folks like myself use Macs
and can't do anything with a uuencoded, pkzipped file, just as those of you
on a PC can't use my binhexed, StuffIt files.

>Anyway, I thought I'd throw the
>idea out there and see whether those who know more about how list-serv
>messages get from here to all over might shed some light on the
>feasibility.

It's certainly feasible - my mail software (Eudora) has an "attachments"
feature that automatically uploads and downloads attached documents, and if
I *wanted* to I could send 400 photoshop files of Longhorned beetles to
everyone on the list, but I think a lot of folks would be deservedly upset
by this, since that's well over 100 MB of files.

>        It would be neat to share our work electronically, and maybe that's
>one of the things the GNSI Web page will do.

That would be the best option of all - have ftpable archives, maybe even in
formats for BOTH main classes of users - though a LARGE copyright notice
might be needed to remind casual web-surfers that even electronic images
are protected under law.
Cheers,

Doug Yanega       Illinois Natural History Survey, 607 E. Peabody Dr.
Champaign, IL 61820 USA      phone (217) 244-6817, fax (217) 333-4949
 affiliate, Univ. of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, Dept. of Entomology
  "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
        is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82


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>There is an extension called HexWeb XT that will let you let you convert
>Quark documents to HTML for Web pages.  It was in beta until this week.
>Manufacturer: HexMac International Ltd.

Hi Judy,

Hmmmm. Could be useful. Do you know if this product was developed for both
Mac and PC platforms?

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: Costa Rica


>HEY FOLKS,
>
>How about a GNSI conference in Costa Rica??!! Or at least a workshop.
>Some of you will be glad to know that there is even BUNGEE JUMPING here.

I favor your idea, Willow. I hope I'm not the only one.

Silvia Troyo
Ilustradora cientifica - Diseno grafico
INBio
tel 244-06-90
fax 244-28-16
email  [log in to unmask]


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h
>>        It would be neat to share our work electronically, and maybe that's
>>one of the things the GNSI Web page will do.
>
>That would be the best option of all - have ftpable archives, maybe even in
>formats for BOTH main classes of users - though a LARGE copyright notice
>might be needed to remind casual web-surfers that even electronic images
>are protected under law.
>Cheers,
>
This sounds like a terrific option to me....is there a GNSI web page being
created at the moment? or already existing?

Jaynie


Jaynie Martz
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12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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Subject: Re: Costa Rica

There is a GNSI member planning to visit Costa Rica next week for a few
weeks. She mentioned that she might be interested in making contact with
some of the locals doing illustration work. This is her 4th or 5th trip,
and I believe it focuses on a nature preserve somewhere near the east (?)
coast. Unfortunatly she is not online, but if any of guys down there want
to E-mail me some contact info, I'll pass it on. Her name is Mindy
Lighthipe, and her contact info is listed in the various GNSI resources. I
believe she will be traveling mid-week.

Frank Ippolito

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Hi Julie,

I just got an empty message from you. Did your computer burp?

Frank

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Hi Frank,

When you come out to Santa Cruz next week will you bring some 
sunshine with you?  It rained all this week!  We need more sun for all that 
painting we'll be doing on the beach.  :)  It cleared up today, so maybe 
it will hold out.

Erik Petersen
Natural Science Illustration
University of California, Santa Cruz
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>When you come out to Santa Cruz next week will you bring some
>sunshine with you?

Well, before I can bring some with me, I have to locate it. It hasn't been
sighted around the NYC area in awhile.I must warn you, I have no doubt
irritated the weather gods in a past life. Wear your wetsuit.

Frank

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>Well, before I can bring some with me, I have to locate it. It hasn't been
>sighted around the NYC area in awhile.I must warn you, I have no doubt
>irritated the weather gods in a past life. Wear your wetsuit.
>
Hi Eric and Frank.....What courses are you going to teach Frank?  My
apologies if someone has already asked this before....thanks. Jaynie


Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
http://www.cebaf.gov
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>Hi Eric and Frank.....What courses are you going to teach Frank?

Hi Jaynie,

I will be giving a one day workshop on rendering with gouache to the
students of the Scientific Illustration certificate program out at UC Santa
Cruz. The next day I will be giving a talk on new and emerging trends in
computer illustration. Somwhere in the middle I'll be going over student
portfolios. Based on the caliber of the student work I have seen come out
of UCSC I am really looking forward to the trip.

Cheers,

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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We are looking for a Home for web pages. Preferably at an Academic Institution 
at no cost, since we are a non-Profit Education Group.  Any Ideas?  Frank might 
be able to worm something evertuall at his place, But I won't count on it.
[log in to unmask]
_______________________________________________________________________________
>That would be the best option of all - have ftpable archives, maybe even in
>formats for BOTH main classes of users - though a LARGE copyright notice
>might be needed to remind casual web-surfers that even electronic images
>are protected under law.
>Cheers,
>
This sounds like a terrific option to me....is there a GNSI web page being
created at the moment? or already existing?


Jaynie Martz



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Britt,

We might be able to put the Web site on a server here at UC Santa Cruz.  
Nebraska hosts the listserv, so that's a possiblity too.  If you like, I 
can check with our program director and the University computer nerds.

Erik Petersen
Natural Science Illustration
University of California, Santa Cruz
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Hi Clara,
        Here's something I found on the WWW:

Astrobyte LLC
1800 15th Street, Suite 104
Denver, CO 80202
303-534-6344
FAX: 303-534-6557
e-mail: [log in to unmask]
Web site: http://www.astrobyte.com
BeyondPress 1.0.3 is an XTension to QuarkXPress that translates Quark
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for print and converts the text and images. Text characters are translated
automatically. Images are converted to GIF or JPEG format. An evaluation
version is available.

From:
Willow Zuchowski


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In message <[log in to unmask]>  writes:
> Britt,
> 
> We might be able to put the Web site on a server here at UC Santa Cruz.  
> Nebraska hosts the listserv, so that's a possiblity too.  If you like, I 
> can check with our program director and the University computer nerds.
> 
> Erik Petersen
> Natural Science Illustration
> University of California, Santa Cruz

Hi Erik
Go for it...Be great to get this thing up and running!!!  Kris



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From: Elaine Hodges <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Desperate Bungee
To: Jaynie and all <[log in to unmask]>
In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:03:50 -0600 from <[log in to unmask]>

I was just kidding, Jaynie.  Thanks for the explanation.  I'm still in my
"Advice from the Elderly" mode leftover from the panel that Fran Zweifel,
Gerry Hodge and I were on in Flagstaff with that title.
   As far as my current projects, I'm spending entirely too much time on
an exhibit for the national meeting that I hope will interest all of you
on this listserve: Eyes on Science: Illustrating Natural History. It is
telling the story and emphasizing the importance of basic natural history
research during (and before) the Smithsonian's 150 years using scientific
illustrations. Illustrators always accompanied (and often still do)
expeditions to collect and observe phenomena around the world. We have
original art and specimens from the U.S.Exploring Expedition (also called
the Wilkes Expedition), 1838-1842, that formed the basis of the Smithsonian
collection when the Museum officially started in 1846. With the exhibit,
which will be rather large, will be a "Drawing Room" where we hope to
have on display a live scientific illustrator as well as opportunities
for hands-on experience doing scientific illustrations of sorts.
  Also I am working on a small exhibit of scientific illustration and
Smithsonian history related to publications in the Smithsonian Library.
Marilyn Schotte of the SI and GNSI also is working on that.
  And I have a job putting keys on maps - hand mounted and distribution
labeled by the scientist or his technician, not done by computer. I typed
the species names on the computer, printed them in final arrangement onto
adhesive-backed white label paper, cut them into rectangles which I will
put on the maps. Then I will rub on TRANSFER TYPE SYMBOLS (that old-
fashioned material?) next to the species names to match what is on the maps.
Isn't that exciting?  Frank and Britt are dying by now to point out that
all of this could have been done on the computer, but computer graphics at
the Smithsonian is not cutting edge, to put it mildly.
  I do have some flies to illustrate from the camera lucida, which will
be drawn in pencil detail and then inked on Denril with (ye gads!) crow
quill pens Hunt 104 and Gillotte 659 plus a few technical pens and curves
for long hairs.
  So, there you are, Jaynie.  I prefer to feel the texture of the paper/film
under my crow quill or pencil also.
Best -
Elaine






Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, D.C. 20560
Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894
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Subject: Re: Costa Rica

In a message dated 96-02-23 12:37:04 EST, you write:

>>HEY FOLKS,
>>
>>How about a GNSI conference in Costa Rica??!! Or at least a workshop.
>>Some of you will be glad to know that there is even BUNGEE JUMPING here.
>
>I favor your idea, Willow. I hope I'm not the only one.
>
>

Count me in..... I'm definitely game for a conference, or anything,  in Costa
Rica!

Virge
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If anyone out there has CorelDraw 6, I need your help in converting a 250k
file from CDR to TIFF, EPS, PICT, JPEG or any other standard file format!

Thank you!

Kevin C. Loughlin, Editor ECTAnews
Wildside Enterprises Birding and Photography Adventures
King of Prussia, PA 19406


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>Count me in..... I'm definitely game for a conference, or anything,  in Costa
>Rica!

Hey Virge!

Me three!!!

Don't you all want to learn gouache down there??? <GGG>

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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>If anyone out there has CorelDraw 6, I need your help in converting a 250k
>file from CDR to TIFF, EPS, PICT, JPEG or any other standard file format!

I don't have the program. But if there isn't an option for *saving as* to
the formats required, check under *export*. You may find it there. Are you
working on a Mac or PC?

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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At 02:21 PM 2/26/96 -0600, you wrote:
>If anyone out there has CorelDraw 6, I need your help in converting a 250k
>file from CDR to TIFF, EPS, PICT, JPEG or any other standard file format!
>
>Thank you!
>
>Kevin C. Loughlin, Editor ECTAnews
>Wildside Enterprises Birding and Photography Adventures
>King of Prussia, PA 19406
>
>

Kevin.
Do you not have CorelDraw6 or are you having problems with exporting out of it?
CorelDraw has had significant problems in their ability to export anything.
And this has happened with each version we have gotten. 
>
Lana K. Johnson
Graphics Specialist
103 Ag. Communications Bldg.
Visuals and Multimedia, CIT
University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Lincoln, NE 68583-0918
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Actually I have Mac. I requested a copy the logo for our organisation
(ECTA--Environmental Conservation Tourism Association) from the designer in a
standard format, unfortunately I guess he figures everyone uses Corel 6.

Anyway, even though I have software to convert just about anything, Corel 6
is not yet supported. If I were to Email the file to you, could you convert
it to a TIFF and send it back?

Thanks...

Kevin C. Loughlin, Editor ECTAnews
Wildside Enterprises Birding and Photography Adventures 
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If you are all serious about this, let me know... I can start making
arrangements!

Kevin C. Loughlin
Wildside Enterprises Birding and Photography Adventures
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>>Count me in..... I'm definitely game for a conference, or anything,  in
>Costa
>>Rica!
>
>Hey Virge!
>
>Me three!!!
>
>Don't you all want to learn gouache down there??? <GGG>
>
>Frank

Or colored pencil?????? (also GGGG)

Virge
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Hi Kris,

I have put in an inquiry about using a UCSC server to host the Guild Web 
site.  I'll let you know what the verdict is.  Are the pages already 
designed?  If not, we can probably do some of that here as well.  I'd be 
interested in helping with the design.

Talk to you soon.

Erik  :)
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I can thoroughly understand why everyone wants to come to Costa Rica; I've
been here for 15 years!

I received a letter today from Gretchen Halpert who is helping coordinate
the workshop this summer in R.I.. She also expressed an interest in a
workshop sometime in Costa Rica.

Kevin - you sound like you may be a great connection. Here in Monteverde we
have an organization called the Monteverde Institute that could be of help
with logistics locally. They provide services mainly for student groups
that come down from the U.S. Besides illustrating and plant collecting, I
do some natural history guiding, also.

Sorry to hear of your CorelDraw file problem. I assume you tried
GraphicConverter (I just peeked into mine and I didn't see a CorelDraw file
type listed). Hard to believe there's no "save as" with some options in
CorelDraw!

Willow Zuchowski
Monteverde, Costa Rica
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In Corel 5, you could go to the "File" pulldown menu, select "Export" and
then a dialog box will come up for you to select the file and what type of
format you want it to be in (lower left part of the dialog box, click on it
and a whole list of formats will appear).

I have used this many times to convert Corel logos and art files into TIFF
format for use on a Mac.

I haven't loaded in 6 yet but it should be the same setup.

Julie Rinke  


>Actually I have Mac. I requested a copy the logo for our organisation
>(ECTA--Environmental Conservation Tourism Association) from the designer in a
>standard format, unfortunately I guess he figures everyone uses Corel 6.
>
>Anyway, even though I have software to convert just about anything, Corel 6
>is not yet supported. If I were to Email the file to you, could you convert
>it to a TIFF and send it back?
>
>Thanks...
>
>Kevin C. Loughlin, Editor ECTAnews
>Wildside Enterprises Birding and Photography Adventures 
>

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>Anyway, even though I have software to convert just about anything, Corel 6
>is not yet supported. If I were to Email the file to you, could you convert
>it to a TIFF and send it back?


Kevin,

I checked the programs I have, including the swiss_army_knife DeBabelizer,
and nothing has CDR capability. I suspect it is a vector edited image like
Illustrator. But I also checked Illustrator and there is no listing for
opening or importing that format. It's possible that you'll have to get
your designer to send you the file in another format. Sorry I couldn't be
of any help.

>>If you are all serious about this, let me know... I can start making
arrangements!<<

Well depending on the logistics, I would be interested in helping with a
workshop down in Costa Rica. I think you'll find a number of interested
parties here on the 'serve.  I saw Virge raise her hand (hi girl) and she
has been involved in a series of excursions down that way (in Belize, I
believe). I think the crux_of_the_biscuit is what the goals of such an
endeavor would be. Who would this program be aimed at(?). I believe that
the best case senario would be to work under the umbrella of GNSI, to reach
to widest possible potential audience. I'm sure folks like Virge will jump
in with ideas growing from the experiences of running things like this in
the past. I will be away from my computer for a week giving a  workshop on
the west coast, but  you can assume that, in principle, I am an interested
party.

Cheers,

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Wow....a workshop in Costa Rica....I have got to hurry up and join GNSI!

I will be away from my computer for a week giving a  workshop on
>the west coast,

Frank, be sure to pack a snowball to throw at Eric!! :^)    Gauache...sigh. My
first attempts were rather pathetic....I will try again some day. maybe in
Costa Rica?
:^)

Jaynie




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It's great to read about the interest for a workshop (or conference?) in
Costa Rica!! 

> I saw Virge raise her hand (hi girl) and she has been involved in a series
of excursions down that way (in Belize, I believe).

Yes, Frank, you're right... I did raise my hand, eagerly, and Beverly Benner
and I have taught workshops at the Rio Bravo Conservation Area in northwest
Belize. We have focused on medicinal plants and using the technique of
colored pencil on chronaflex. Which, by the way, works really well in a
tropical climate! In fact, we're scheduled to have 2 more this year, May and
October. If anybody out there is interested in information, email me directly
at [log in to unmask] and I'll be happy to fill you in. At any rate, I am
quite interested in Costa Rica and if my help is needed in any way... count
me in.

> I think the crux_of_the_biscuit.....

Never heard that phrase, Frank, may I borrow it?

> I believe that the best case senario would be to work under the umbrella of
GNSI, to >reach to widest possible potential audience. I'm sure folks like
Virge will jump
>in with ideas growing from the experiences of running things like this in
the past.

We can let Merri Nelson, GNSI Education Coordinator,  know of the interest in
such a workshop.... and yes, I'd be happy to share my experiences and do what
I can to help. It's a great experience and one I recommend to everyone - at
least once!

Virge

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>Wow....a workshop in Costa Rica....I have got to hurry up and join GNSI!

Get on the stick, Jaynie, you're missing out!!!! You can't beat it and for
only $45 dues!
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Kevin, I've used Corel for many years, but only have
version 4. Corel is a vector based program and for
what ever reasons creates huge files where other
programs would not, at least this is true of v.4. You
will have the best luck if you request the designer to
export the file in a different format for you. He or she
can do this easily in Corel. If it's impossible to get
from the designer, you could try a service bureau to
make the conversion for you. However in my area I
have found few that have Corel. Corel does not have
a Macintosh version yet. If it is a simple logo, without
any transparent fills or other functions only offered in
Corel 6, you could try emailing it to me and I can
convert it to a couple options for you. I've had luck
sending both Tiff and Gif files to a Macintosh. Corel
does make unusually large tiff files though. So your
best bet is to get the person who created it to convert
it. Good Luck.

PS. I like the sound of your businesss.

Linda Heath Clark
Biological Scientific Illustrator
Cal/EPA Department of Pesticide Regulation
Sacramento, California
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Actually I have Mac. I requested a copy the logo for
our organisation
(ECTA--Environmental Conservation Tourism
Association) from the designer in a standard format,
unfortunately I guess he figures everyone uses Corel
6.

Anyway, even though I have software to convert just
about anything, Corel 6 is not yet supported. If I were
to Email the file to you, could you convert it to a TIFF
and send it back?

Thanks...

Kevin C. Loughlin, Editor ECTAnews
Wildside Enterprises Birding and Photography
Adventures 


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>> "I think the crux_of_the_biscuit....."

. . . . "is the apostrophe."

-Frank Zappa circa 1975 <G>

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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>   As far as my current projects, I'm spending entirely too much time on
>an exhibit for the national meeting that I hope will interest all of you
>on this listserve: Eyes on Science: Illustrating Natural History. It is
>telling the story and emphasizing the importance of basic natural history
>research during (and before) the Smithsonian's 150 years using scientific
>illustrations.

Sounds thoroughly fascinating Elaine.....you are one busy lady.

>  Also I am working on a small exhibit of scientific illustration and
>Smithsonian history related to publications in the Smithsonian Library.
>Marilyn Schotte of the SI and GNSI also is working on that.
>Then I will rub on TRANSFER TYPE SYMBOLS (that old-
>fashioned material?) next to the species names to match what is on the maps.
>Isn't that exciting?

wow...transfer type...haven't used that in quite a few years....

>  I do have some flies to illustrate from the camera lucida, which will
>be drawn in pencil detail and then inked on Denril with (ye gads!) crow
>quill pens Hunt 104 and Gillotte 659 plus a few technical pens and curves
>for long hairs.
>  So, there you are, Jaynie.  I prefer to feel the texture of the paper/film
>under my crow quill or pencil also.

This list is pure torture sometimes....  (in the nicest way, of course!)
Elaine, your
paper/crow quill talk has gotten me all fired up to draw by hand...and what am I
stuck with all day?????  a mouse! heavy sigh.... But, I am working on a
free electron laser(FEL) drawing today....new technology...so I am drawing a
photocathode and electron injector at the moment....the mouse/stylus is
just fine
for that! And I plan on experimenting with Kai's Power Tools "Fractals' plug-in
today too...I ordered my replacement powermac with 112 MG of RAM so that
I can play around to my heart's content without seeing the dreaded : "You are
almost out of memory. Save your file immediately!" Drawing with light is
quite remarkable but it sure leaves the other senses starving....sometimes I
open a tube of oil paint so I can luxuriate in the beloved fumes of art school
days....! Love that linseed oil and turpentine.....  who needs roses! :^)

quill away!!!       Jaynie






Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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>>Wow....a workshop in Costa Rica....I have got to hurry up and join GNSI!
>
>Get on the stick, Jaynie, you're missing out!!!! You can't beat it and for
>only $45 dues!

so twue tweetie!  Say.....would the workshop only be open to Sci Illustrators? I
illustrate 'scientific things', but have never had formal 'sci
illustrating' classes.
My drawing skills are pretty solid...mouse/pencil/colored pencil/ink. Would that
be adequate.....solid skills and a great attitude? I have never had the great
fortune of attending an artist's workshop before, hence all the questions....

toodles...Jaynie


Jaynie Martz
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12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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>Frank, be sure to pack a snowball to throw at Eric!! :^)

Well I'll have to stop over in Colodado or Las Vegas(!) to pick it up <G>.
We've been having a roller coaster ride with the temps.

>Gauache...sigh. My
>first attempts were rather pathetic....I will try again some day. maybe in
>Costa Rica?

Maybe. Many of my students felt the same way. Until I got done with them
<G>. It's just another mindset to work within. The stuff is really
forgiving. I swear by it.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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>>  who needs roses! :^)


I agree. In fact, I plan on shifting from a lifedrawing session to painting
figurative and portrait work every Friday. There is no sustitution. Of
course when I'm done I'll probly scan the work in and push the pixels
around as well, but it won't smell as sweet <G>.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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>would the workshop only be open to Sci Illustrators? I
>illustrate 'scientific things', but have never had formal 'sci
>illustrating' classes.
>My drawing skills are pretty solid...mouse/pencil/colored pencil/ink.
>Would that
>be adequate.....solid skills and a great attitude?

And then some. GNSI is an organization that gathers people who illustrate
natural scientific subjects, both professionally and otherwise. We
encourage those like yourself to join and learn more about the field. I
expect to see you at the 1996 conference <G>.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>>>  who needs roses! :^)
>
>
>I agree. In fact, I plan on shifting from a lifedrawing session to painting
>figurative and portrait work every Friday. There is no sustitution. Of
>course when I'm done I'll probly scan the work in and push the pixels
>around as well, but it won't smell as sweet <G>.
>
more torture.....sigh......gee, I sure loved those life drawing classes at
UNC-Greensboro, NC.
how I miss that.....I have definitely got to sign up for some classes
again......I seem
to remember the professor giving us about 15 minutes per pose...then a few 30
minutes sessions (poor model)...those were the days!!  hummm....I will have
to hunt those up when i get home tonight...they are stashed in an old porfolio
somewhere......I did lots of portraits back then too....       Jaynie  :^)


Jaynie Martz
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>>would the workshop only be open to Sci Illustrators? I
>>illustrate 'scientific things', but have never had formal 'sci
>>illustrating' classes.
>>My drawing skills are pretty solid...mouse/pencil/colored pencil/ink.
>>Would that
>>be adequate.....solid skills and a great attitude?
>
>And then some. GNSI is an organization that gathers people who illustrate
>natural scientific subjects, both professionally and otherwise. We
>encourage those like yourself to join and learn more about the field. I
>expect to see you at the 1996 conference <G>.
>
Thanks Frank and Virge.....I just refound the GNSI address file and will
send off
a check tonight. yeeeehaaaaa!




Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
http://www.cebaf.gov
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Hi.
I use Coreldraw 5 most of the time. It is a PC based vector drawing package.
Export files can be imported into almost anything (including MAC's) but you
do need to have Coreldraw to do it. At least that is what works the best. My
advice is to contact the creator of the file and ask them to convert if for
you. Or find someone with Coreldraw 6. (6 is the version for Windows95). We
haven't updated to it yet. We usually wait about a year before upgrading
Coreldraw since it takes that long for them to work out a lot of bugs. If no
one has the 6 version, the creator can also save it out as a version 5 file
and I could help you convert it. Coreldraw is used a lot here at Nebraska!
Good luck!!!
Lana K. Johnson
Graphics Specialist
103 Ag. Communications Bldg.
Visuals and Multimedia, CIT
University of Nebraska - Lincoln
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(402) 472-3025

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Could someone forward the PBS/NPR petition again? I was not able to forward
mail on the system I was using when it came out the first time around.
thanks.....Jaynie


Jaynie Martz
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>Thanks Frank and Virge.....I just refound the GNSI address file and will
>send off
>a check tonight. yeeeehaaaaa!


Wecome aboard! Let me attach a note that Mary Parrish tried (unsucessfully)
to post for us while we were chatting about workshps. . . . .

********************************************************************


Hi, Frank.  Can you ask people to come to GNSI '96?  I tried to send a
message to the group and it didn't transmit.  Tell them we know how to
have fun here on the east coast, too, even in our nation's capitol!! We
have picnic lunches on the mall followed by frisbee and softball games
during the week, so everyone should bring their stuff for our lunch
breaks.  I can probably arrange bungee jumping from the Washington
Monument!  Not to mention museums, and all that other stuff.  Anyway, I
tried to jump in when everyone was talking about going to Santa Cruz in
'97 and couldn't.  (We could even play volleyball on the mall at lunch
if people want to, although someone would have to bring a net!)  See you
soon!  (Gurche is keynote, the Secretary of the Smithsonian is welcoming
us on the first day).
   Course, there will be the nat'l gallery to browse, and all the other
museums, so they may not want to recreate on the mall.  But we natives DO
know how to do it, even if it does get cold in the winter (which I love
anyway).  Mary.

**********************************************************************

Hey Mary! You bet. Consider it done <G>.

Frank

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In a message dated 96-02-27 12:11:06 EST, you write:

>-Frank Zappa circa 1975 <G>

Well, that explains why I hadn't heard it! Thanks, Frank!

Virge
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>Well, that explains why I hadn't heard it! Thanks, Frank!

Yes, progressive jazz-rock songs about milkbones are few and far between
<G>. Say *HI* to Bev.

Frank

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In a message dated 96-02-27 13:00:37 EST, you write:

>>would the workshop only be open to Sci Illustrators? I
>>illustrate 'scientific things', but have never had formal 'sci
>>illustrating' classes.
>>My drawing skills are pretty solid...mouse/pencil/colored pencil/ink.
>>Would that
>>be adequate.....solid skills and a great attitude?
>
>And then some. GNSI is an organization that gathers people who illustrate
>natural scientific subjects, both professionally and otherwise. We
>encourage those like yourself to join and learn more about the field. I
>expect to see you at the 1996 conference <G>.

Amen to all that...... 

>>but have never had formal 'sci illustrating' classes.....

Jaynie, neither have I.... it's ALL been "on-the-job" training and the
fabulous connection with GNSI over the many years, for which I am most
thankful for every day. In fact, not many of us have had the luxury of
"formal" classes. 'Tis the nature of the beast.....

Virge

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Cool.
Britt
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Britt,

We might be able to put the Web site on a server here at UC Santa Cruz.  
Nebraska hosts the listserv, so that's a possiblity too.  If you like, I 
can check with our program director and the University computer nerds.

Erik Petersen
Natural Science Illustration
University of California, Santa Cruz

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That sounds real helpful.
What sort of CGI script capabilities might be usable (forms, e-mail, database, 
etc.?) Just asking.

Britt
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Hi Kris,

I have put in an inquiry about using a UCSC server to host the Guild Web 
site.  I'll let you know what the verdict is.  Are the pages already 
designed?  If not, we can probably do some of that here as well.  I'd be 
interested in helping with the design.

Talk to you soon.

Erik  :)

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Sorry folks if the note below is a repeat... not sure if it went through.
In any case, since I have a hard time attending most conferences/workshops
in the U.S., it'll be great to have you all come down here!! I'm available
for any questions, recommendations from this end.


I can thoroughly understand why everyone wants to come to Costa Rica; I've
been here for 15 years!

I received a letter today from Gretchen Halpert who is helping coordinate
the workshop this summer in R.I.. She also expressed an interest in a
workshop sometime in Costa Rica.

Kevin - you sound like you may be a great connection. Here in Monteverde we
have an organization called the Monteverde Institute that could be of help
with logistics locally. They provide services mainly for student groups
that come down from the U.S. Besides illustrating and plant collecting, I
do some natural history guiding, also.

Willow Zuchowski
Monteverde, Costa Rica
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We all want to go...but how much would it actually cost??
I mean to say, it is actually possible??
-Clara
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OK, boys,

Now that I think about it I see a difference between just putting a picture of 
my Quark Doc.on the Web and putting the document itself...

I think we're keeping it simple - if they want layers someone can click on for 
elaboration, well no, they are not going that far right now.  But if it's  a 
picture the text won't be text, just shapes.  That has its good points, it would
nual)?

You can tell when I respond off the cuff - that's when I have to use the line 
editor.  But when I carefully construct a missive in Word, well...is it 
cleaner??
-Clara
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Hi everyone,

Thought I'd do as Elaine suggested once and start a new chain:
    scanners:

Marlene and I have our PowerMac setup except for one problem...
our existing scanner won't talk to the new computer; Microtek confirmed this, 
there is no upgrade path.  So we need a new one and of course we didn't budget 
for it...

Our primary need is to scan line art - stuff we want to modify and/or put labels
on.  What Karen Teramura showed us last summer about scanning in a pencil sketch
and converting it to perfectly nice line art, well that looked fantasically 
applicable for us.
I remember her saying that is a function of the white-and-black-point.

Someone has suggested about a $950 Epson.  Anything else we should really 
consider??  

Thanks!
-Clara
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CLARA R.SIMPSON                                       FIELD MUSEUM
Illustrator                            Chicago, Illinois USA 60605
Department of Zoology                   Phone: (312) 922-9410 x620
available Wednesdays and Thursdays             Fax: (312) 663-5397
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>Someone has suggested about a $950 Epson.  Anything else we should really
>consider??
>

Hi Clara.....Don't worry. Nobody budgets for the possibility of a hardware
company
not offering driver software upgrades....I had the same problem. Had a Microtek
300zs.....can't use it with my powermac. But I wanted a higher resolution
scanner
anyway, so I recently purchased a Microtek ScanMaker IIhr/1200zs. I couldn't
find the purchase order, but i seem to remember it was around $1100?  the latest
driver upgrade was released last week for this model....I haven't had much
time to
test it, but have been pleased with the line art scan quality so far. (But
then, I scan
line art for use as a template....)  The color tweaking options of the IIhr far
exceed the old 300zs.  I recommend the scanner itself...but Microtek has been
difficult to deal with...not particularly user friendly. It took me 3 days
to get through
to tech sup last week....even had the phone on redial for hours...ridiculous.

good luck! Jaynie




Jaynie Martz
Technical Illustrator, CEBAF
Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
http://www.cebaf.gov
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Subject: Re: scanners

I am rather fond of the Agfa scanners. Look for at least a 30bit color scanner 
400x800 optical dpi. 600x 1200 is better. The Agfa scanners tend to have smaller 
imaging areas. The Agfa StudioScan IIsi is under $1000 and comes with photoshop 
LE.  However, a transparency adapter is extra ($350) If you don't need 
photoshop, ask the vendor if you can get it without, at a reduced price.
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Subject: scanners
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Date:    2/28/96  12:52 PM


Hi everyone,

Thought I'd do as Elaine suggested once and start a new chain:
    scanners:

Marlene and I have our PowerMac setup except for one problem...
our existing scanner won't talk to the new computer; Microtek confirmed this, 
there is no upgrade path.  So we need a new one and of course we didn't budget 
for it...

Our primary need is to scan line art - stuff we want to modify and/or put labels
on.  What Karen Teramura showed us last summer about scanning in a pencil sketch
and converting it to perfectly nice line art, well that looked fantasically 
applicable for us.
I remember her saying that is a function of the white-and-black-point.

Someone has suggested about a $950 Epson.  Anything else we should really 
consider??  

Thanks!
-Clara
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>Hi everyone,
>
>Thought I'd do as Elaine suggested once and start a new chain:
>    scanners:
>
>Someone has suggested about a $950 Epson.  Anything else we should really
>consider??
>
>Thanks!
>-Clara

Hi Clara,
        Re: Costa Rica... there are often good deals for groups coming down
from U.S. (unfortunately for me it doesn't work for traveling FROM here to
there).

        SCANNERS: You might check out the March '96 Macworld magazine
article (in print or on-line) "Scanner Solutions". It gives the Epson
ES-1200C a high rating.

        I'd like to hear more on how to do that pencil drawing to nice line
art stuff!!

Willow Zuchowski

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