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Hi Amelia- You are ok with me...Paul II
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Subject: hardware question

Hello to GNSI!

I am currently setting up my studio, and I have a hardware purchasing
question.  I need to buy a second drive for my Mac 9500.  I know that older
Syquest Drives are popular for shipping large documents in the publishing
industy.  I'd like to get the Syquest EZ, the latest version, but I've heard
that the new EZ is not compatible with the older versions.  And then there's
zip drives, supposedly more stable than Syquest.  

What does the  publishing industry use, older or newer technology?

Have any suggestion.  Thanks!   Amelia 
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Subject: Re: hardware question

 I'd like to get the Syquest EZ, the latest version, but I've heard
>that the new EZ is not compatible with the older versions.  And then there's
>zip drives, supposedly more stable than Syquest.
>
>What does the  publishing industry use, older or newer technology?
>
>Have any suggestion.  Thanks!   Amelia

Almost every service bureau we deal with has a Zip,  It's cheap, but about
half the speed and capacity of the New EZ.  Youe will get a debate about
which is more durable.  We have yet to see a customer bring in an EZ Disk,
everyone is bringing in ZIPs.   I heard a rumor that Apple may start
including Zips in its systems (take with big grain of salt).  But I predict
they will be the Next Floppy disk standard.

I would say if you want the widest availability for service Bureau work,
and are on a budget, get a Zip.  If you are looking for an external hard
disk substitute and are on a budget (but more than a zip budget), get a EZ.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Regarding Apple's next floppy disk standard prediction:

I have a nice 3.5" 21 meg floptical drive w/disks at home. Remember 
when THAT was going to be the next standard?

Norm Frisch
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From: [log in to unmask] (Miriam Kritzer Van Zant)
Subject: PC illustration

To the group:

This is a request for help in the form of information.  Several years ago I
joined GNSI, when taking illustration classes, but have since begun
graduate school in botany.  Now I hardly have time to clean technical pens
let alone use them, nor time to retrain with crowquill.  But I did manage
to receive an award to turn my thesis into an interactive program.

The money will pay for a drawing pad which will allow me to bypass the ink,
and a little software.  I am formost a PC person.  The problem arose when I
realized that the small amount of money I had set aside for a computer,
would not put me into the megahertz I would like to be to get the effects I
want.  I do have a friend urging me to buy components who knows how to put
them together.  I may have to start with a shell and add on as I can, I
need to buy something now to complete my thesis, it would be nice to put
the money toward what I really want when I make the interactive program.
Maybe in a few months I will have raised more money.

At first I was totally convinced that Coreldraw is what I need, then
Illustrator, and most recently Freehand, with 3-D and Xpress, (I don't have
the exact names in front of me at this time.)  Fractal Expression is also
intriguing.  I am interested in learning three dimensional and motion
techniques, but they are not yet totally critical.  I will need sound
capabilities to finish the project, but not the thesis.  I do want to be
able to work with images from ArcView and my slides for the thesis.

I will have access to Photoshop and Action for making the program.  I have
acess to slide scanning equipment but it is for the MacIntosh, I understand
IBM programs can read Mac-scanned images with the right file endings.

I will want to work into video material for future projects, though slides
are all I have now.

Can anyone give me a clear idea of what these programs can do and what they
can't compared to each other?  I am wondering whether or not it is possible
to do global commands, for instance can you thicken all of the lines
running at a certain angle to the lower left corner of the page, and then
edit them separately?  Can you shade this way?  Salespeople keep telling me
they think their software can, but they don't know how.

My drawing style is classical, light from the upper left, stippling, etc.

                                                Thank you, Miriam

PS:  I enjoyed the discussion on aesthetics.  To me the joy of botanical
illustration is trying to capture the natural grace of plants, especially
their grace in relation to the sun.  I agree that the emotional content of
the work is what distinguishes art from good or even great technique.  Then
again perhaps the emotion which emerges from devotion to technique is as
valid for some as a love of the subject.



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Subject: Re: hardware question

Get a zip drive, Amy. I don't trust my syquests anymore. Neither do most
people I've talked to.--Paul
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My advcice is to go with a Micron Pigma disposable felt tip. We don't bother
cleaning rapidographs in Arizona. Much simpler than getting a computer
system. As Thoreau once said..."simplify, simplify, simplify".
paul
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From: Kevin & Elizabeth Smith <[log in to unmask]>
To: gnsi-reg <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: reproduction quality
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>

Hi - have been listening in and learning a lot about software. Have a question
about reproductive quality of transparent watercolors.  My background is in the
graphic arts, now doing watercolor and pen and ink botanical illustration.  Most
of the illustrations are for regional high-quality magazines.  Sometimes
reproduction is fine, other times colors dull or glazes turn garish.  I work on
hot-press illustration board for detail.  Reduction of art is usually 0% to 75%.
Last time the art director reduced paintings nearly 50% which is why I think
more detail was lost.?  I know some color variation is due to the printer. In
your combined experiences are there some particular colors to stay away from? Is
transparent watercolor not the best medium for reproduction?  They are happy
with them, but I'm looking at them from a different viewpoint and would like
more color accuracy.  

thanks,
Elizabeth Smith  

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To the group:
 I have just recently subscribed to GNSI with the hopes of acquiring
information on graduate programs in biological illustration.  I am
particularly interested in the western part of the U.S. but have heard of
so few programs that anything would help to give me more choices.  I am
currently a senior at Tufts University and am starting to feel a little
anxious about planning my future, so any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks, April


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April,

Take a look at the Univ. of Illinois at Chicago's Biomedical Visualization
program:

http://www.bvis.uic.edu/



...............................................................................
Catherine Sexton

University of Chicago
Academic Computing Services 
1025 E. 57th St. 60037

(312)834-0028
after Oct. 12 area code
changes to (773)

On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, April J. Hobart wrote:

> To the group:
>  I have just recently subscribed to GNSI with the hopes of acquiring
> information on graduate programs in biological illustration.  I am
> particularly interested in the western part of the U.S. but have heard of
> so few programs that anything would help to give me more choices.  I am
> currently a senior at Tufts University and am starting to feel a little
> anxious about planning my future, so any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thanks, April
> 
> 


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From: Elaine Hodges <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Scientific illustration curricula
To: [log in to unmask]

Dear friends,
  The writer for the exhibit "Eyes on Science: Illustrating Natural
History" that Pam Henson and I curated (U.S.Natural History Museum
until Jan.1, 1997) wants some ideas for topics that would be included
in a teacher's guide for middle and high school students.  This guide
would be about how to use/teach scientific illustration exercises in
the classroom.  It would accompany "The Drawing Room" that now is in
the exhibit and may travel to other museums or might be made available
separately, without the exhibit. This "Drawing Room" is an interactive
space where people (over ten years old) can come in and draw from
specimens freehand or with grid or from microscope. They receive
instruction from the wandering staff that includes at least one artist,
and they can peer over the shoulder of working scientific illustrators
or view them from a window to the exhibit (and bang on the window,
make faces, yell "hello," etc.).
  We have a library in the "Drawing Room" - of scientific illustration
books, information about the Guild, and are about to offer Saturday
morning workshops.  All drawing materials are provided, and the place
is packed with large and small specimens, with silkscreened drawings
by Lisa Roberts on the wall of an orchid, bird wing, and one by Mary
Parrish of a skeleton.
  So, any suggestions for Sarah Grusin, the writer, will be much
appreciated. We do have some little exercise boxes in the room that
aim to teach accuracy, like drawing from a grid, matching broken pottery
to a circular chart as part of its reconstruction, disarticulated
skeletons.
   Elaine

Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, D.C. 20560
Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894
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From [log in to unmask] Mon Sep  9 10:38:16 1996
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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Re: PC illustration

>To the group:
>
 I do have a friend urging me to buy components who knows how to put
>them together.


The problem with putting stuff together yourself, on the PC side anyway,
is that there is a lot of system software that needs to work together
without stepping on eachothers toes,  this often is a problem.  so Unless
your friend is willing to put in a lot of time shooting bugs, think twice.


If you are determined to use a PC I would suggest you borrow or raise
enough money to get what you need for this project that has been integrated
by someone who makes their living doing that and that you can go to when it
breaks.   Maybe Frank Ippolito has another opinion on this, as he is a PC
person as well.  Frank?

>At first I was totally convinced that Coreldraw is what I need, then
>Illustrator, and most recently Freehand, with 3-D and Xpress, (I don't have
>the exact names in front of me at this time.)  Fractal Expression is also
>intriguing.  I am interested in learning three dimensional and motion
>techniques, but they are not yet totally critical.

A lot of the multimedia programs only work well with Bitmap type imagery,
so even though you may create vector art , it will probably need to go to
bitmap eventually.  Illustrator 6 on the mac would be real good at this.
But the PC version is way behind, don't even consider it.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>Hi - have been listening in and learning a lot about software. Have a question
>about reproductive quality of transparent watercolors.  My background is in the
>graphic arts, now doing watercolor and pen and ink botanical illustration.
>Most
>of the illustrations are for regional high-quality magazines.  Sometimes
>reproduction is fine, other times colors dull or glazes turn garish.  I work on
>hot-press illustration board for detail.  Reduction of art is usually 0%
>to 75%.
>Last time the art director reduced paintings nearly 50% which is why I think
>more detail was lost.?  I know some color variation is due to the printer. In
>your combined experiences are there some particular colors to stay away
>from? Is
>transparent watercolor not the best medium for reproduction?  They are happy
>with them, but I'm looking at them from a different viewpoint and would like
>more color accuracy.
>
>thanks,
>Elizabeth Smith

Elizabeth,
What is you definition of "detail" ?

Depending on the linescreen, a 50% reduction could lose a lot of line
detail. If the color seems weak, this could be because they are lightening
the image to drop out the background (paperwhite).

Watercolors in theory should work well. Thick media with lots of layering
and different media can be a problem for a color seperator.  The problem
with a lot of watercolor work is that what seems like bright color to our
eye is really very pale, colorwise, with lots of white paper showing
through.

The best way to judge your result is to get a good 4x5 transparency made of
it.  A good color seperator can usualy get the qualities of a transparency
to reproduce well.

Pale and weak colors in an original will disappear in a transparency and
will disappear on press as well.

Blue colors are some of the hardest to reproduce, the human eye is much
more sensitive.

A good color seperator can do wonders, but there are a lot of ways to screw
up.  The quality of the suppliers for the publishers could vary greatly.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
[log in to unmask]


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From: john megahan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: PC illustration

At 01:48 PM 9/9/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>To the group:
>>
> I do have a friend urging me to buy components who knows how to put
>>them together.
>
>
>The problem with putting stuff together yourself, on the PC side anyway,
>is that there is a lot of system software that needs to work together
>without stepping on eachothers toes,  this often is a problem.  so Unless
>your friend is willing to put in a lot of time shooting bugs, think twice.
>
>
I second this. I've recently been through this experience with a brother in
law who garanteed me that he would have this "computer from hell" of mine
working in no time at all. It's been over six months of frustration now and
the thing is still giving me headaches! I'll never put one of these together
again. Unless you're absolutely certain your friend is a computer expert who
can work out all the bugs that you will run into I'd stay away from this
option. As far as corel draw goes, I've heard it's a pretty good program. I
haven't used the latest version but friends who have compared it to both
illustrator and freehand seem to think it holds its own.

good luck
John Megahan

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Subject: Re: reproduction quality

[log in to unmask] (Kevin & Elizabeth Smith) wrote:

<snipped question ca transparent water colors>

Always more of a problem with dyes compared to pigments. Many of the dyes
behave differently under the various light sources used in prepress. Some of
the dyes were so sensitive they would fade during exposure to the brighter
lamps.
To avoid problems with surprise color effects, I resorted to 4x5
transparencies. The results could be previewed and most colorhouses can
handle the separating process reliably. Transparencies will also pinpont some
of the errant dyes/pigments.
I believe that the manufacturer of the dyes made a list available of the
problematic colors, try contacting them.

KSMatz
Human Genetics
University of Utah
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I've used Corel Draw versions 3,4, & 5 with no problems but from what =
I've heard from the Corel users group, version 6 is a mess. Very buggy =
and very slow. Have also read that in reviews. I decided not to update =
to 6. I've heard that version 7, due out soon, is much more stable.There =
have been raves for PhotoPaint 6 (Core), though, which can be purchased =
as a stand-alone.=20
Maybe this will help in the illustration program decision.
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Why is the syquest unreliable?
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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Re: PC illustration

> I am formost a PC person.  The problem arose when I
>realized that the small amount of money I had set aside for a computer,
>would not put me into the megahertz I would like to be to get the effects I
>want.

A few questions, Miriam. What kind of budget are you looking at, and what
speed CPU do you feel compelled to buy? Until recently, I have been doing
work at home in Photoshop on a 486 DX80. The biggest drawback for my system
was not the speed, but the amount of RAM. As for CPU speed, there were no
"effects" that were unavailable to me, just a longer wait for them to be
applied.

>I do have a friend urging me to buy components who knows how to put
>them together.  I may have to start with a shell and add on as I can, I
>need to buy something now to complete my thesis, it would be nice to put
>the money toward what I really want when I make the interactive program.
>Maybe in a few months I will have raised more money.

Although others here are steering you away from this route, it may be the
best option. Just don't make the mistake of buying the cheapest components
to streamline this process. This is the biggest cause of PC "hell". Buy a
US made motherboard, such as from Intel or Supermicro. This may add $100 on
the cost upfront, but the payback is that you are building on a solid
foundation. And both of these companies maintain a Web presence, so it can
be easy to upgrade your BIOS software thru downloads. Get a Motherboard
that can accept up to a Pentium 200 mHz, and then put a  P100 or P120 mHz
chip in for now. Take a look at Intel's Endeavor II or SuperMicro's P55T2S
MotherBoards. You can configure one of these with a P100 for well under
$350 total. And as you may know RAM is cheaper now then in any time in
memory. Most experts agree that the prices will rise again this fall and
stay that way for a year or so. So get as much memory as you can afford
NOW.

Another VERY important issue is making yourself fully aware of any issues
of compatability between the components that you decide on. This may seem
daunting, but if you are online it can be suprisingly easy to locate such
information in discussion groups. I particularly like Compuserve for the
ability to locate such info quickly in one place. I am currently just
finishing research that will help me upgrade my machine (actually build it
up from scratch again) to a P6. This is the third time I have disassembled
my machine and rebuilt it, and I feel that it is the most cost effective
way to go, bar none. But what John Megahan says is important.Make sure that
you and/or your friend have a handle on issues suchs as IRQs and the need
to pay strict attention to jumper settings. Or are willing to learn. It is
easy once you understand what goes into this, but the smallest misset
jumper can bring a system to a screeching halt. If you have any doubts,
follow Britt's suggestion and find a company that can take care of this for
you. (I know of a good one in NJ, but you want to keep this local.)

>At first I was totally convinced that Coreldraw is what I need, then
>Illustrator, and most recently Freehand, with 3-D and Xpress, (I don't have
>the exact names in front of me at this time.)  Fractal Expression is also
>intriguing.

As Britt mentioned, the images will have to be tranlated to bitmap, so it
possible that Photoshop will have a lot of what you need right off. What he
says about Illustrator 4 for the PC is also correct, but Adobe claims to be
bridging that gap with Illustrator 6 for the PC later this fall. We'll see.


> I have acess to slide scanning equipment but it is for the MacIntosh, I
>>understand IBM programs can read Mac-scanned images with the right file
>>endings.

I use a program called Mac Into Dos Plus for Windows which enables me to
import files from the Mac at work seemlessly. I have had problems trying
this without it. On the Mac side you can track down Debabilizer Lite, which
translates just about any image format from ANY platform.


>Can anyone give me a clear idea of what these programs can do and what they
>can't compared to each other?  I am wondering whether or not it is possible
>to do global commands, for instance can you thicken all of the lines
>running at a certain angle to the lower left corner of the page, and then
>edit them separately?  Can you shade this way?  Salespeople keep telling me
>they think their software can, but they don't know how.

I don't think so. They are just trying to make a sale. I have had to go
back to achieve this after the fact.

I understand that there is a trial version of Expression somewhere on the
Web. Some reports suggest that it beats Illustrator out for some
applications. I am skeptical.

Good luck in your endeavors.

Frank Ippoltio
AMNH
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American Museum of Natural History


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From: Joseph Trumpey <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: graduate programs
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April (and everyone)-

I was waiting to get some more work completed on our homepage before
"announcing" it, but since you are looking at Illinois' page, you should
look at our curriculum as well.

Our address is http://www.umich.edu/~medill

I realize there are typos, etc. that still need attention and I am
working to get many more examples of student and faculty work online.
If you all have problems (or suggestions) please let me know.
Hopefully, by Christmas the page will be in good shape. There are a
couple of old photos of Jerry Hodge and Bill Brudon buried in the page.
The photo on the opening page is of Jerry sketching in the OR in the
late 60's.

There are only 5 accredited graduate programs in the US (accredited by
the Allied Health Professions Committee of the AMA).  Michigan is the
only school to offer an MFA in Medical and Biological Illustration, and
we are also the only program to be affiliated with an School of Art and
Design as well as a whole campus community vs. a medcial campus alone.
This will be our third year as a part of the School of Art and Design
(we used to be in the medical school), and it has been a terrific move
for us - many of our students now get TA-ships teaching drawing courses
for non-majors which pays for their tution.  More studio space, more
access to faculty and varied art faculty, more computer support and
hardware and we still have maintained our ties with the med school -
gross anatomy, pathology, OR's, clinics, etc.  In conjunction with our
move, we have started a BFA program in Scientific Illustration.  There
are 5 full courses on scientific illustration and opportunities to work
in the exhibit museum, herbarium, biology dept., anthro dept. etc.  Info
about both programs will be in the new courses brouchure published by
the guild.

I have rambled enough.  I hope you enjoy our page, and if you have any
questions please contact me.

Joe

Joseph E. Trumpey
Assistant Professor
University of Michigan
School of Art + Design
Prog in Med and Biol Ill
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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Re: syquest?

>Why is the syquest unreliable?

I haven't had any problems with mine, but I have seen issues with the older
200 MB units.I think the reports here concerning the EZ drive are based on
those early problems Syquest had a few years back. I use both the Zip & the
EZ drive and I perfer the Syquest for its speed.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Hi Joe!

I checked out the U. Michigan grad program site and I am proud to say that I am
#171!  Neat.  The faculty and especially the student pages are very interesting
  It was also nice to see some animation in the pages as well, as I don't see
too much of that in web sites unless it's something like Adobe's.  Cool photos!

Jennifer Fairman
Scientific Illustrator
NMNH, Smithsonian Institution
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>Why is the syquest unreliable?

I' ve had several go bad on me.  Sometimes at a very inconvinent moment.
An besaues the media costs so much (44/88/200 meg carts. cost between
$40-70).  The little 3.5 in. carts. maybe more reliable and cost less? I
don't know.  But My experience makes me want to stir clear.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Subject: Re: syquest?

> (44/88/200 meg carts. cost between
>$40-70).  The little 3.5 in. carts. maybe more reliable and cost less?

Yes. And yes, the disks are found between $14 & $17 for 135 megs.I am not
sure about pricing for the new 3.5 270 meg disk.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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All i have to say about all of this external media is this:
The Iomega Zip drive is the best and cheapest and most reliable and most
commonly used thing I could buy for my Mac at home, and since they are all
over the place where I work (hopefully they are everywhere as far as printers)
I makes my life ALOT easier....they are also nice and portable and light.

Jennifer Fairman
Scientific Illustrator
NMNH, Smithsonian Institution
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     An excerpt from an interview with Kurt Vonnegut where he was asked to 
     discuss his feelings about living in an increasingly computerized 
     world. 
     From September Harper's magazine
     
     "I work at home, and if I wanted to, I could have a computer right by 
     my bed, and I'd never have to leave it.  But I use a typewriter, and 
     afterward I mark up the pages with a pencil.  Then I call up this 
     woman named Carol out in Woodstock and say, "Are you still doing 
     typing?"  Sure she is, and her husband is trying to track bluebirds 
     out there and not having much luck, and so we chitchat back and forth 
     and I say, "Okay, I'll send you the pages."  Then I go down the steps 
     and my wife calls, "Where are you going?"  "Well," I say, "I'm going 
     to buy an envelope."  And she says, "You're not a poor man.  Why don't 
     you buy a thousand envelopes?  They'll deliver them, and you can put 
     them in the closet."  And I say, "Hush."  So I go to this newsstand 
     across the street where they sell magazines and lottery tickets and 
     stationery.  I have to get in line because there are people buying 
     candy and all that sort of thing and I talk to them. The woman behind 
     the counter has a jewel between her eyes, and when it's my turn, I ask 
     her if there have been any big winners lately.  I get my envelope
     and seal it up and go to the postal convenience center down the 
     block...  One time I had my pocket picked in there and got to meet a 
     cop and tell him about it.  Anyway, I address the envelope to Carol in 
     Woodstock.  I stamp the envelope and mail it in a mailbox in front of 
     the post office, and I go home.  And I've had a hell of a good time.  
     I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody 
     tell you any different."

From [log in to unmask] Wed Sep 11 10:18:04 1996
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Subject: Re: Corel Draw

Just a note, many journals that accept digital files prefer Illustrator,
FreeHand, PhotoShop, QXP and PageMaker over the others. Some explicitly
exclude the lower level applications. Primarily has to do with how well the
files incorporate into prepress software.
KS
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Subject: Re: PC illustration

Miriam asked:

>Can anyone give me a clear idea of what these programs can do and what they
>can't compared to each other?  I am wondering whether or not it is possible
>to do global commands, for instance can you thicken all of the lines
>running at a certain angle to the lower left corner of the page, and then
>edit them separately?  Can you shade this way?  Salespeople keep telling me
>they think their software can, but they don't know how.

In FreeHand this is possible using Styles. By grouping lines with similar
characteristics/functions under a Style name, attributes (thickness, color)
can be changed for the entire style and later edited individually. The
process takes a bit of preplanning and attention to the sequence of events. 

KSMatz
Human Genetics
University of Utah
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Subject: Re: syquest?

[log in to unmask] wrote:
>Why is the syquest unreliable?

Although it may have been improved by now, the cartriges seemed to corrupt a
bit too often. Another problem was the driver software supplied was found to
have a lot of compatability conflicts (this could be fixed with aftermarket
drivers). At one time it was the only game in town besides floppies for
transferring files. The early Bernoulli reputation was not to good either.
 So far the only removable media that I haven't been able to trash are the
Zips, but I'm working on it.
KS
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Subject: computers from scratch

Hello
I'm sorry, I forgot who asked the question about putting together a system
from components, because I didn't think I would be replying...but the next
day, a friend of mine called who is putting together a system from
components.  I asked him some questions and his answers are interesting for
anyone considering a project like this.
   First off, I asked if he was doing this for fun or for budget constraints.
 He said for FUN.  If he was having to buy all new components ( and that is
the key issue, new), he would be saving very little money, maybe $50 and a
week's worth of time.  
   He said when a person starts a project like this kind, one has to be
*intimately familiar* with the parts, and also have a starting place, in his
case,  old computers, to scrounge from.  
   David ordered a motherboard with all the jumpers set, and is reusing
approximately 1/3 salvaged parts  (video card, cd rom, ect..), in his new
computer, and expects to save about $700 over buying a new system.  What is
significant about the salvaged parts, is that he had upgraded many of his
older components, and when he had a buyer for his original computer, these
people didn't need the upgrades, so he reinstalled the original parts, and
was able to keep his 8x cd, extra vram and such.
   On the other hand, he's also putting together a system for the local
geology club, which he expects to have almost nothing invested in, except for
buying a couple of cables.  Interestingly,  people have given him 14" black &
white monitors, a 2x cd rom drive - which can't even be purchased now - an
old 40meg hard drive,  and assorted cases, pieces and parts,not much
admittedly, but it will do what the club needs.
    As is with life, you have do decide what is more important, time or
money, and would you be doing something you want to learn about anyway, and
receive credit from the School of Hard Knocks. It could be fun, but I'd be
reluctant to try it myself.
   For what it's worth -
Darcy
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 To the group:
    I am in the process of preparing a proposal for a possible Fulbright.
I am interested in going to Australia and working for a museum to enhance
displays using my art and biology skills.  I am having trouble finding an
appropriate museum with an available contact. I will continue to research
this but I wondered if anyone had any suggestions.
                                          Thanks, April


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Subject: Re: Australia

April:
This is the address of Ian Oliver, who works with invertebrates in
Sidney,Australia.

His wife, Nicky, is a botanical illustrator, who works at The Royal
Botanical Garden in Sidney,  you can contact them  at

"Ian Oliver" <[log in to unmask]>,

_________________________________________________________________________
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>I am having trouble finding an
>appropriate museum with an available contact. I will continue to research
>this but I wondered if anyone had any suggestions.

Hi April

We have had quite a bit of interaction with folks at the Queensland Museum
(about ten years back). My researcher is away for two weeks, but I'm sure
he will be able suggets contact info when he returns. If that is not too
late, I'll get back to you.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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April, you should contact Ian Oliver and his wife. Perhaps they could help you.

Dr IAN OLIVER
Centre for Biodiversity and Bioresources
School of Biological Sciences
Macquarie University
SYDNEY 2109 AUSTRALIA

Ph. (02) 850 7248
fAX (02) 850 9237

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Silvia Troyo
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INBio
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Subject: Color Seperation Utilities Review

Magic Seperator 4.1
---------------------
A while back I mentioned a piece of software for coloor seperations as an
alternative to Photoshops built-in solution.  This was in responce to
inquires apout problems keeping nice blue background throught the
seperation process in Photoshop. I bought it and used it on some Science
Data Imagery, with superior results to Photoshop.

The Plug-in works very well with the data images I wanted to convert.  It
kept the colors nice and bright.  Ther was some apparent color shifting to
keep the brightness and distinctness of colors in the image,  this was
preferable to the muddy color I often get from an Photoshop conversion.
There are many settings for characterizing the input, but the output is
designed only for SWOP coated paper standards.  They say you can contact
them to purchase other output standards.

With some practice and a little more knowledge about what the proper
settings are for a given job, I expect it will make brighter color from
Out-of-Gammut screen colors.  For $179 it can't be to bad an experiment.

Anyone else tried this plug-in?


Magic Software Co.
360 Delaware Ave, Suite 300
Buffalo NY 14202

[log in to unmask]
716 855-0295

They have a web site.  I have seen this product in the standard mail order
catalogs as well.

Britt


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From: [log in to unmask] (Miriam Kritzer Van Zant)
Subject: PC illustration cont.

To the group:

Returned from a few days away to find a number of helpful messages and some
questions.  KSMatz' tip about global shading commands in Styles in Freehand
sounds pretty promising, and I beleive Freehand is packaged with the 3D
programs I've looked at.  But I'm still uncertain as to why most people
seem to prefer Illustrator.  Is that a Mac vs PC matter? Britt seems to
have a handle on this.

Frank Ippolito's tips on motherboards, especially jumper settings is also
invaluable.  Especially as this is the sort of thing that will allow me to
assess my friend's expertise before I commit.  Frank asked what I can spend
initally.  About $2,000, not including the Wacom pad and software.  I
suppose this means I should wait on the sound system, which I won't need to
write my thesis, but I'm still weighing what's essential and what isn't.
Frank also asked what speed CPU I felt compelled to buy.  I was under the
impression that you couldn't expand beyond 166Meg, and must buy a 200
system if you want that in Pentium.  So I felt compelled to start at 200meg
primarily as this is also what the support line at Corel strongly
recommended.

I want to draw in real time, not wait for images to pop up.  When I used
Illustrator hooked up to an older Mac at the School of the Art Institute
last month, sometimes it did and sometimes it didn't.  That was with the
Wacom pad, it totally sold me on the pad, but I don't want to work slow.
In real time it was elating to use.

Also a couple of people in my department told me that jazz drives are the
way to go.  Recent discussion on sciart favors zip drives, as they are
industry standard.  Does that hold true for larger 3-D files?  I've also
been told that a second harddrive would more than meet my needs and be
cheaper.  Please expand on this.

It is great to be able to communicate with people who have real experience
in these matters.  I was working/thinking in a vacuum before the newsletter
came with the listserv address.   Thanks, Miriam


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From: winterscl <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Display Boards

I wonder if there is anyone out there who can help me with some ideas for a
project I'm working on. With limited experience in this sort of thing, I am
putting together three displays on those four panel folding boards for
table-top use for three conservation/rare species programs within the State
Fish and Wildlife Division. They will be used at fairs and festivals,
speaker programs, etc. to inform the public about the work each program does
and to help people understand their roles in this work. 

Many great ideas already from the parties involved. The basic idea is to
keep each display colorful, as word-free as possible, and flexible.
Fortunately, these programs lend themselves to alot of great visuals. We
plan to use maps, photos, drawings, etc., with some simple text where
necessary. 

I would love any and all suggestions on the experiences others have had with
designs and visuals that really works to attract attention and then to
educate effectively.

Many thanks.

Although I don't do much computer work, which seems to dominate the
listserv, I really enjoy the conversations. Thanks to Emil Huston for the
Vonnegut quote last week - kind of puts things in perspective, doesn't it?!!

Cris Winters

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Hi Cris
Are you needing info on the actual construction of the display, or of the
material that goes on them?  I built a few displays when I worked for the AR
Dept of Ecology, and am happy to see them still in service several years
after I started working here at home...
   You'll probably get some good suggestions from the listserv. These people
are real pros, talented artists, and friendly folks.  I'm happy to be making
new friends through correspondence.     
   My sucess in displays come with large enough letters to read well (look at
some signs and ads when you're driving around), sizing of the letters can be
tricky;  contrast, and good center of interest.  A display that has too much
information won't catch the reader's eye.  Think Bold.
   So what about you?  What do you do?
Good luck with your project |:-)
Darcy
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To Britt Griswold and KSMatz,

Thanks for your replies to my question re: transparent watercolor reproduction
of botanicals.  The suggestions on the 4x5 transparencies was great - I should
have thought of that!  

Britt asked "what is your definition of detail?".   Graphically I guess it's the
sharp focus as defined by lights and darks and line.  I know we're all editors
of sorts, so my goal is to present the plant with enough botanical detail to
describe it accurately and a bit of environmental detail  for personality. 

As I look more closely at the reproductions I see some of the sharp shadows look
fuzzy,  and I think the color separator ganged the three illustrations together.
Two look OK colorwise, the third is the one that bothers me. 

The 50% reduction was also a factor (usually they are pretty good about not
changing their original layout), and knocking out the white background was what
probably what toned down my contrasts .

Thank you!

Elizabeth Smith


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Subject: Re: PC illustration cont.

>Frank also asked what speed CPU I felt compelled to buy.  I was under the
>impression that you couldn't expand beyond 166Meg, and must buy a 200
>system if you want that in Pentium.  So I felt compelled to start at 200meg
>primarily as this is also what the support line at Corel strongly
>recommended.

One point in clarification, so we aren't caught comparing apples and
oranges, is that CPU speed is measured as mHz and not megs. Anyway, it was
true that if you had an earlier M-Board (up to about about six months ago)
you were limited in this way. But many of the Pentium M-Boards now
manufactured are set up to run up to a 200 mHz chip. You need to do your
own research on this. Some are not. Call the manufacturer  or check thier
Web page. DON'T take the word of a vendor. Also I find that comparing the
specs of a part across many ads in Computer Shopper will yield the facts
(but don't go by one ad, as there are often typos). This will also yield
competitive prices. The SuperMicro M-Board I mentioned is rated as being
able to run up to a 200 mHz Pentium CPU.

>I want to draw in real time, not wait for images to pop up.

This is the combined responsibilty of the CPU AND the graphics card. Spend
a little less on the CPU and get a graphics card that has more VRAM on it.
Besides being faster it will enable you to view the artwork in true color
mode. The Millennium from Matrox is good choice, as it uses less expensive
(but faster) WRAM onboard. The very fast 4 meg version can be found for
around $400 (US).

> I've also been told that a second harddrive would more than meet my needs
>and be
>cheaper.  Please expand on this.

It would definitely be cheaper, have more megs, and a faster access time.
BUT it will not be removable. This will be an issue only if you need
infinite backup space, or the need to export REALLY large files.

Let me know if you choose to roll your own.

Frank


Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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[log in to unmask] (Miriam Kritzer Van Zant) wrote:
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>But I'm still uncertain as to why most people
>seem to prefer Illustrator.  Is that a Mac vs PC matter?
I believe it is because Illustrator was the better program 4-5 years ago and
most people became familiar with the interface. At that time exchanging files
between Illustrator/PhotoShop was also advantageous. The new FreeHand (5.5)
is a major improvement over the earlier versions.  In my opinion, the
differences between the two is now mostly in the users way of working and
thought process. New computer users also seem to move through the learning
curve of FreeHand a bit quicker.

>I want to draw in real time, not wait for images to pop up.
My guess is that this is a memory issue. Get as much RAM as possible. I run
PhotoShop with 55MB available and FreeHand with 30MB. For large images
PhotoShop could easily use 100-200MB and still want more. A rule of thumb for
serious PhotoShop is about 4-5 times the file size as available RAM with at
least an equal amount as scratch disk. YMMV.

>Also a couple of people in my department told me that jazz drives are the
>way to go.  Recent discussion on sciart favors zip drives, as they are
>industry standard.  Does that hold true for larger 3-D files?  I've also
>been told that a second harddrive would more than meet my needs and be
>cheaper.  Please expand on this.

Have never used the Jazz drives, some associates have had reliability
problems recently.
Working on large files is alway preferable on a hard drive over removable
media. The slower data transfer to and from the removables will be noticable.
Unless removable media is required for storage and/or file transport the
additional hard drive(s) will be more beneficial to actual work sessions.

KSMatz
Dept of Human Genetics
University of Utah

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A little postcript to Miriam (et al) on the question of CPU speed. . . .

One thing I wanted to emphasize was that the price of the 200 mHz Pentium
chip is way too high. The price of the 100 mHz is about 1/5 that of the 200
mHz. The sweetest spot for price/performance is probably the 133 mHz. A 133
mHz Pentium will do some nice things when coupled with a full graphics card
and lots of RAM.

Also, keep an eye out for comparative reviews of Pentium systems in
magazines such as PC. Those reviews will often include info as to what
M-Board and components were used in a given system. Once you decide on the
components of choice, you may discover a comparable collection of core
elements in one of those pre-built units. You will probably be able call
the vendor and get them to sell you a stripped down unit, that you would
then be able to supe up. This would net you some tech support if things
begin to act silly <g>.

Cheers,

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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From: winterscl <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Display Ideas

Thanks to Darcy for the information. I am interested in possible innovations
in materials as well as the design aspects. We plan to use foam board with
materials mounted on it and with Velcro on the backs. (the panels have to be
removed from the folding board for storage.)

When I'm not working on things like this, I do alot of bird survey and
conservation work, both as a volunteer and for pay (when I'm VERY lucky).
Also some illustration/writing for assorted organizations, especially a
local nature society.

What about you, Darcy?

Cris

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>Thanks to Darcy for the information. I am interested in possible innovations
>in materials as well as the design aspects. We plan to use foam board with
>materials mounted on it and with Velcro on the backs. (the panels have to be
>removed from the folding board for storage.)
>
 Depending on how much money you have to spend, and how long you need the
display pieces top last, there is a nice way to show bold graphics and 4
color work that is durable.

Flexable Lexan laminate with vinyle cutouts applied to the back with a
backing vinyl coating sealing it all in a sandwich that has a smooth front.
You can have full color art inkjet printed onto some of the vinyl pieces
as well.  It makes a professional looking, easy to mount, durable piece for
extended use.  $20-40 sq. ft depending on number of vinyl colors and inkjet
printing.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Cris
I'll tell you another way to build a display using foam core & velcro if you
are  into a complete do-it-yourself project.  Often our budget was chicken
wire and spit, and when you start buying velcro, that in itself gets high.
Here's what you need:
foam core, fabric, glue, poster frames, piano hinges, pop rivets 

 I went to an fabric & upholstery shop with a little piece of the loop part
of velcro, and tried sticking it on different fabrics.  Car headliner fabric
 holds it well. Others will work, including burlap.  To put fabric on foam
core, a little preparation will give you some extra life to the board...
prime both sides of the foam core with latex paint or primer, and that will
reduce the bowing from humidity.  Use a spray glue, like 3M super77, and
adhere the fabric carefully, rolling out any wrinkles.
    Go to your local wholesale moulding shop, not a custom frame shop, and
ask about commercial metal framing, it's less expensive than Nielsen frames
but looks about as good.  My moulding supplier here has occasional sales of
poster size frames, and these work well for table top displays.  Any size
frame can be ordered (ask for "chop") and assembled.  Next, go to your
hardware store  (I'm as well known at the hardware store as at the art supply
store,) and get a piano hinge to put two poster frames together.  The screws
that come with the hinges are useless, so drill out several holes and pop
rivet the frames to the hinges. Header frames can also be pop riveted
directly to the poster frames.    I wish I could draw on this 
e mail....
   Insert your fabric boards into the 3-sided open frames and then finish the
assembly, and use the spring clips to secure the foam core in place.  The two
panels will fold face to face for protection during transport and storage.
And it looks professional!
   Does all this make sense?  If you decide to go this route, ask and I'll
give you the details of how to put multiple pairs together.  Small frames
like this can be made to fold together and fit under an airline seat.  Then
you can sew a bag to put it in.  Or a case and put wheels on it.
   See, somedays I'm too busy building *stuff* to stop and learn all about
computers.  I'll gladly trade ideas about these kinds of projects for
electronic expertise from all you computer savvy folks :-)
Darcy
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Ahoy out there! I'm a recent addition to the listserve and have really 
enjoyed the banter - and have picked up some great info, as well. 
Thanks. Perhaps sometime I'll have useful advice for someone! Right 
now, I could use some.

I'm researching, designing and illustrating an exhibit dealing with 
the natural history of the Columbia River Basin/Plateau in Washington 
State. It is to deal with everything from the paleogeology of the area 
and the Columbia River's course changes through time, to the ecology 
of the entire basin. It will also address issues relating to the 
damming of the river and its effects on salmon, Indians, etc. Not to 
mention agriculture and the Hanford cleanup efforts. At any rate, I'm 
still in the research phase (just came on board last week), and of 
course the museum wants to open at their new facility in about two 
months. I'm literally dropping everything else to work on this, as 
well as donating my time as a public service (and for PR). The 
exhibits are to be outdoors, and we're in the desert where conditions 
are pretty harsh (wind and sun). This will be a temporary facility, 
with a projected life of about 5 years, until they build their 
permanent building. The budget is "shoestring".

Has anyone had experience with outdoor exhibits? What types of 
materials might work well? Silkscreen on plexiglass has been suggested 
for flat illustrations (anything in color will be north-facing), and 
I've been thinking about doing models that will show surface 
topography as well as cut-aways on what's underneath, and also a 
stratigraphic column using actual rocks for their representative 
layers. It would be nice to do as much hands-on stuff as possible (no 
glass cases!) 

Any suggestions/ideas would be most welcome!

Cindy Shaw
BioGraphics
Phone (509) 627-0703 or 627-3839
FAX (509) 627-0751
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Cindy

Contact Merri Nelson, 15612 Berlin Turnpike, Purcellville, VA 22132; 
Tel:(540) 882-3111 w,h; Fax (540) 882-3116. She has done outdoor 
panels for the National Parks Service. I've seen the ones in the 
Tetons -- they're great. In addition to line art and type, they 
sometimes contain full color photographic images. If I recollect 
correctly, the panels are produced using a glass enamel on a metal 
substrate process, somewhat similar to the cloisonne process used in 
jewelry making. Quite stunning, quite weather-proof, quite expensive. 
I saw them just after they were installed -- over three years ago I 
believe. Check with her on durability/vandalism etc.

Norm Frisch
Design and Production
350 New Campus Drive
SUNY College at Brockport
Brockport, NY 14420-2931
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Another board you can try is meadowcote. I always found foam core to be
too fragile, especially when mounting and removing pieces regularly.
Meadowcote is thinner, but strong, and is easy to cut to size. I used to
buy it from a supply house on Long Island and don't know the manufacturer
but if you're interested I can find out. It's probably available all over.
It's about 1/16" thick and very easy to work with. It does not stain from
rubber cement (if that's what you will use) and works well if you need to
hinge pieces together. I used it for years making scientific poster
displays for meetings.

Also, for mounting your work on boards, if you don't want to go the
less-than-permanent, highly-toxic rubber cement route, I recommend an
adhesive film made by 3M. It comes in large rolls and you essentially make
a sticker out of the piece you are mounting. It is archival and
repositionable until you burnish it. Again, I haven't bought it in a year
or so but can find out the exact number if you're interested. I recently
saw it in a Fidelity Products catalogue.

If I think of anything else I'll forward those thoughts.

Have fun!

Catherine Sexton

University of Chicago
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, winterscl wrote:

> Thanks to Darcy for the information. I am interested in possible innovations
> in materials as well as the design aspects. We plan to use foam board with
> materials mounted on it and with Velcro on the backs. (the panels have to be
> removed from the folding board for storage.)
> 
> When I'm not working on things like this, I do alot of bird survey and
> conservation work, both as a volunteer and for pay (when I'm VERY lucky).
> Also some illustration/writing for assorted organizations, especially a
> local nature society.
> 
> What about you, Darcy?
> 
> Cris
> 

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Britt,
Can you tell me more about inket on vinyl?  Is there a vinyl that we can run
through our HP printer here at the studio... or is this about the large
format display maker that we get in our junkmail...
I'd really like to see a photo  about your sandwich laminate. Can we attach
files to our listserv email?
Darcy
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Cindy,
Another idea you might want to do for you outdoor exhibit is to incorporate a
time line into your facility. An easy and inexpensive way to do this is on
the parking lot or down the road.  Designate one end as your starting point
and call it precambrian, or whatever your column has at its base, and the
other end as present time. Divide your length, and use markers for each
geologic period. If you have time and funds, you can put a sign telling what
happened during each age. It's an impressive way to show just how LONG
geologic times are.
Darcy
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Yes, foam core is often too fragile to use in displays.  One way to protect a
display that IS on foam core is to use Foamborders, a tiny plastic moulding
that is made to slip over the edges of the panels.  Makes a single board look
good just sitting on an easel.
Ask me for details.
Darcy
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How many people subscribe to this forum?  I would be interested to know who
we all are.  If  others share my curiosity, I'd like to make a reference
list, maybe with a few sentence biography of everyone.  It's hard to tell
from our membership catalog.  We might even coax some lurkers out :-)
Darcy
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For display/posters I suggest reading the chapter on poster presentations       
in Phyllis Wood's Scientific Illustration book. It has some good suggestions.   
  Elaine                                                                        
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
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ok - what is YMMV and what is a "scratch disk" as mentioned?- please            
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     Photoshop lives and dies by RAM (that high speed temporary storage 
     area that your computer uses to hold data.) Optimally, Photoshop 
     should be able to hold an entire image in RAM when it does its 
     calculations. If it can't hold the image in RAM, it has to store image 
     data on your hard drive.
     This is Photoshop's own virtual-memory scheme and is called the 
     "scratch disk" feature, - it means that it writes data to one of your 
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     If you can, give the program a fast (scratch) disk, or at least a 
     clean partition of a disk in the Preferences submenu in the File menu. 
     The faster the disk, and the less fragmented the information on that 
     disk, the faster Photoshop's virtual memory will work.
     (Programs like Norton Utilities can help you identify when a disk is 
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I subscribe but am ashamed to say I've been a lurker just getting a feel for
the list.  If a list is established of the users and who, where, and what
they are that could be interesting.  So, I'll start just such a list...

Matthew A. Ross
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In a few days I'm moving to Ann Arbor Michigan to start a new job as
illustrator at the University. I'll be signing off for a couple of weeks but
I just wanted to let everyone know how much I've enjoyed reading the
questions comments and suggestions. This is a great group of people and a
super resource. I'm looking forward to joining up from Michigan. Untill
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I too am a lerker. I have little direct experience but a lot of periferal
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HELLO ALL,
As a matter of fact we have about 120 subscribers....most of which are very
very quiet!!;)
I would LOVE to hear from ALL of you!  I fear that a lot of them think that
this is a real tech-ie group of computer art people. When in reality most
of us are just bumbling along with the computer stuff and are true pencil
and brush pushers.  Take Frank, Britt, etc... although QUITE proficient in
computer stuff.....they are all unbelievable artists in the traditional
sense as well! SO......although I like and learn from the computer stuff
and would be LOST without it...I really like it when someone asks a
traditional media question!!

I often post the list of subscribers. I will do so again at the end of the
week. If you would NOT like to be posted to the group as a
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Cheers!!Polly

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and New Zealand members.  Lynne Ho is one who works at an Australian            
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Smithsonian Institution                                                         
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On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Elaine Hodges wrote:

> and New Zealand members.  Lynne Ho is one who works at an Australian            
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I seem to have only gotten the end of your message.  Who is Lynne Ho and
how would I get in touch with her? thanks, April


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Hail Mother Hodges,

Elaine, in case nobody has said this lately:  thanks, again, for the
Handbook (of Scientific Illustration, 1989, van Nostrand Reinhold).  I've
just been rereading <Light on Form>.

The other day I stuck a post-it into the Inverts, insect section.  The
beetle person I am drawing for right now told me insect legs are like 2
tripods: front and back of one side go with the middle of the other.  Of
course that's not for a strict specimen illustration, but it's always nice
to know how to begin to make something look alive.


-Clara

Clara R. Simpson
Field Museum


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Thanks to Norm and Darcy for the great suggestions - I wish we could 
afford the  enamel on porcelain or metal - but I do have a call in to 
Merri and I'm anxious to get some of her perspectives.  The time line 
idea is intriguing - we're on the edge of a park - maybe we could make 
it into a trail - the park is about 8 miles long!

Regarding the display boards, I haven't heard anyone mention Gator 
foam (board) - much more durable than foamcore - doesn't dent - and 
not as expensive as Lexan, or Sintra (which curves nicely, but you 
don't want to leave it in a hot car or it'll permanently deform)

To Elaine, who requested ideas for drawing exercises for students (re: 
"The Drawing Room"): I've been involved with science education and 
have been developing scientific illustration exercises to be used in 
conjunction with lab activities, such as dissecting, etc. Also some 
mapping, and design work (e.g., designing critter models by first 
doing 2D projection drawings). I'm trying to think of other ideas I've 
used over the years and will be glad to share them after I've had a 
chance to sit and think awhile.

As for myself, since there seems to be interest in us getting 
acquainted with one another, I also confess to being a lurker.  I'm in 
Richland, WA (in the "nevergreen" part of the state), have a zoology 
background, and have been doing freelance illustrating off and on for 
some 25 years (and also am involved with natural science education and 
materials development). I started getting serious about getting back 
into illustrating again several months ago when my husband asked me to 
do some trial exhibits for his medical malpractice trial (he was sued, 
spent 2 weeks in court, won the case, but a very bizarre experience); 
at any rate, his attorney liked my work, wanted to pass my name 
around. What one must go through to get business, eh?    Between 
illustrating and the museum work, plus chasing after a spouse and 
three sons (ages 9 to 16), it's a pretty full life. But every morning, 
after the kids have left for school, I look forward to grabbing my 
coffee and "logging on" to see what's new in the world of GNSI - you 
all seem like a real neat bunch of folks! (Really!) 

I promise not to be so verbose from now on...

Cindy
BioGraphics
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On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Cindy Shaw wrote:

> Regarding the display boards, I haven't heard anyone mention Gator 
> foam (board) - much more durable than foamcore - doesn't dent - and 
> not as expensive as Lexan, or Sintra (which curves nicely, but you 
> don't want to leave it in a hot car or it'll permanently deform)

I have used gator board too, but found it harder to cut and heavier to lug
around. It's durability is nice though - especially for someone like me
who's paranoid about dinging foam core!
 
Catherine Sexton

University of Chicago
Academic Computing Services 
1025 E. 57th St. 60037

(312)834-0028

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Cindy--
I have been doing outdoor exhibits out west in Arizona for several years and
would be happy to communicate any information I have gained by more detailed
e-mail. I have learned by very bitter experience not to waste money on
"cheap" materials. 
There are 3 processes I've found suitable for outdoor signage. The cadillac
is baked enamel on steel, lasts forever. Call Enameltec in Georgetown,
Ontario at 800/663-8543 and talk to Gaynor Whitlock, or Winsor Inc., talk to
Al Windsor at 800/824-7506. WIndsor does incredible work and is cheaper. 
Second best is fiberglass embedded silkscreen. You can make several copies
for very little more and replace them every 3-5 years--their life in the AZ
sun. Only 2 choices: Call GS Images, Doug Wright at 310/791-6920, or Pennier
Graphics at 800/544-8428.
For simple line work anodixed aluminum is very durable.
--Paul
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>Cris
>I'll tell you another way to build a display using foam core & velcro if you
>are  into a complete do-it-yourself project.
Snip
>    Go to your local wholesale moulding shop, not a custom frame shop, and
>ask about commercial metal framing, it's less expensive than Nielsen frames
>but looks about as good.  My moulding supplier here has occasional sales of
>poster size frames, and these work well for table top displays.  Any size
>frame can be ordered (ask for "chop") and assembled.  Next, go to your
>hardware store  (I'm as well known at the hardware store as at the art supply
>store,) and get a piano hinge to put two poster frames together.  The screws
>that come with the hinges are useless, so drill out several holes and pop
>rivet the frames to the hinges. Header frames can also be pop riveted
>directly to the poster frames.    I wish I could draw on this
>e mail....

An alternate is to pay a bit and buy plastic framing made for this type of
thing. There are hinged frame assemblies for blank table top displays
probably in the $500 range.  You could probably also buy the hinged framing
and make your own.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>Has anyone had experience with outdoor exhibits? What types of
>materials might work well? Silkscreen on plexiglass has been suggested
>for flat illustrations (anything in color will be north-facing), and
>I've been thinking about doing models that will show surface
>topography as well as cut-aways on what's underneath, and also a
>stratigraphic column using actual rocks for their representative
>layers. It would be nice to do as much hands-on stuff as possible (no
>glass cases!)
>
>Any suggestions/ideas would be most welcome!

Call Merri Nelson in the GNSI directory.  I think she knows all about
designing for these things.  The Park service uses Baked enamel on metal
for permanent signage (fade proof).  Five years is forever, you need
permeance.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>Britt,
>Can you tell me more about inket on vinyl?  Is there a vinyl that we can run
>through our HP printer here at the studio... or is this about the large
>format display maker that we get in our junkmail...
>I'd really like to see a photo  about your sandwich laminate. Can we attach
>files to our listserv email?
>Darcy

We are talking about the Large formate printers and laminators, commercial
stuff.  I don't have a photo handy.  A photo really wouldn't tell you a
lot. It would look like a photo of a photo.  It is not wise to send
attached files to the list serve, we could do that to specific individual's
private E-mail addresses.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
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[log in to unmask] (Elaine Hodges) asked:

>ok - what is YMMV and what is a "scratch disk" as mentioned?- >please define
computerese when used.

YMMV (your mileage may vary) functions the same as IMHO (in my humble
opinion).  Usually inserted to indicate that the answer is based on the
writer's personal experience and the reader will have to draw their own
conclusions.  Unlike IRL (in real life), body language, facial expressions
and/or verbal nuances are unavailable to help with the interpretation of the
comment.  At least IMHO.

A good response for the *scratch disk* was given in; Re: Scratch, posted
earlier by another list member.

KSMatz
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To April and others -                                                           
  My message about Lynne Ho was brief - you did not miss anything.              
  Lynne Ho is in the GNSI Directory, at 14 Cobham Ave., West Ryde,              
NSW 2114, Australia.  (NSW is New South Wales, I believe.)  No phone            
is listed in the Directory.  Lynne is a scientific illustrator who              
has drawn insects and plants, if I remember correctly. I cannot                 
remember is she is/was on the staff of the local Museum but she works           
there - or did before her baby was born.                                        
  Good luck.                                                                    
  Elaine                                                                        
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator                                      
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Smithsonian Institution                                                         
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>In a few days I'm moving to Ann Arbor Michigan to start a new job as
>illustrator at the University.

Take care John. And good luck at your new job.

Frank Ippolito

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Hello,
  My name is Dan Layne and I just joined the list server. I have been
doing biological illustration for three years now at the LA County Museum
of Natural History. My teacher is a woman named Francis Runyon.

  I would like to obtain a copy of the book "The Guild Handbook of
Scientific Illustaration" by Elaine Hodges. I understand that it is out of
print and I have called some of my local used book stores searching for a
copy but alas, no dice. Does anyone out there have copies for sale? Does
anyone know of a source? Thank you.

Yours very truly,

Dan Layne
USC School Of Medicine, Multidiscipline Labs
Phone: (213) 342-1119
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Subject: Beetle People

At 12:54 PM 9/18/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Hail Mother Hodges,
>
>Elaine, in case nobody has said this lately:  thanks, again, for the
>Handbook (of Scientific Illustration, 1989, van Nostrand Reinhold).  I've
>just been rereading <Light on Form>.
>
>The other day I stuck a post-it into the Inverts, insect section.  The
>beetle person I am drawing for right now told me insect legs are like 2
>tripods: front and back of one side go with the middle of the other.  Of
>course that's not for a strict specimen illustration, but it's always nice
>to know how to begin to make something look alive.
>
>
>-Clara
>
>Clara R. Simpson
>Field Museum
>


Dear Clara,

The first time through, I read your drawing sentence as "The Beetle Person I
am drawing, for right now, told me...." I got an amusing image. 

The rest reminded me of an interesting thing I saw last week. A very LARGE
Praying Mantis was perched on the roof of a car. When it walked, I was
amazed by the mechanical appearance. Very slow, "stealthy", jerky movements
- like an under-powered robot.. I guess I had only seen them moving around
in vegetation, so the flow of the movement was not obvious. (Maybe this will
be useful to you animaters out there, although I don't think anyone would
believe you knew anything about mantids if you actually made them move like
this.)

Thanks to everyone who send comments about displays - much good info. to use
now or put in the file for later. This listserv can be a great resource.

Cris Winters

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     God was fed up. In a crash of thunder He yanked up to Heaven three 
     influential humans:  Bill Clinton, Boris Yeltsin and Bill Gates.
     
     "The human race is a complete disappointment," God boomed.  "You each 
     have one week to prepare your followers for the end of the world." 
     With another crash of thunder they found themselves back on Earth.
     
     Clinton immediately called his cabinet.  "I have good news and bad 
     news," he announced grimly.  "The good news is that there is a God. 
     The bad news is, God's really mad and plans to end the world in a 
     week."
     
     In Russia, Yeltsin announced to parliament, "Comrades, I have bad news 
     and worse news.  The bad news is that we were wrong: there is a God 
     after all. The worse news is God's mad and is going to end the world 
     in a week."
     
     Meanwhile, Bill Gates called a meeting of his top engineers.  "I have 
     good news and better news.  The good news is that God considers me one 
     of the three most influential men on Earth," he beamed.  "The better 
     news is we don't have to fix Windows 95."
     
     Emil Huston
     Royal Ontario Museum
     Toronto
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Yes, I do use gator foam for temporary exhibits. Very good stuff but not
totally warp proof. 
paul
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Thanks Emil-I laughed. Here's another Gates Joke--Paul 
----------

Bill Gates dies in a car accident. He finds himself in purgatory,
  being sized up by St. Peter.

  "Well, Bill, I'm really confused on this call; I'm not sure whether
  to send you to Heaven or Hell. After all, you enormously helped
  society by putting a computer in almost every home in America, yet
  you also created that ghastly Windows '95.  I'm going to do
  something I've never done before in your case; I'm going to let you
  decide where you want to go."

  Bill replied, "Well, what's the difference between the two?"

  St. Peter said, "I'm willing to let you visit both places briefly,
  if it will help your decision."

  "Fine, but where should I go first?"

  "I'll leave that up to you."

  "Okay then," said Bill, "Let's try Hell first."

  So Bill went to Hell.  It was a beautiful, clean, sandy beach with
  clear waters and lots of bikini-clad women running around, playing
  in the water, laughing and frolicking about. The sun was shining;
  the temperature perfect. He was very pleased.

  "This is great!" he told St. Peter.
  "If this is hell, I REALLY want to see heaven!"

  "Fine," said St. Peter, and off they went.

  Heaven was a place high in the clouds, with angels drifting about,
  playing harps and singing.  It was nice, but not as enticing as
  Hell.  Bill thought for a quick minute, and rendered his decision.

  "Hmmm.  I think I'd prefer Hell," he told St. Peter.

  "Fine," retorted St. Peter, "as you desire."

  So Bill Gates went to Hell.

  Two weeks later, St. Peter decided to check on the late billionaire
  to see how he was doing in Hell.  When he got there, he found Bill,
  shackled to a wall, screaming amongst hot flames in dark caves,
  being burned and tortured by demons.

  "How's everything going?" he asked Bill.

  Bill responded, his voice filled with anguish and disappointment,
  "This  is awful!  This is nothing like the Hell I visited two weeks
  ago! I can't believe this is happening!  What happened to that other
  place, with the beautiful beaches, the scantily-clad women playing
  in the water?!???"

  "That was a demo," replied St.. Peter

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     Hi Paul, that's a good one!
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     By the way, did you hear Bill Gates just had the first Baby?
     
     He named her 1.0 
     
     
     Emil  
     

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Subject: Illustration Graphics.

Greetings newslist participants!
I've been "in the background" reading for a while now and have been
considering the idea of sharing UUE files of illustrations for the purpose of
critique.  Would any of you be interested, and willing to do, this?
Being an "experimental" scientific illustrator I would love to have some
imput on my work and would also love to see some examples, fine I'm sure, of
others on this list.
Most of my work has been pure wildlife illustration, either stipple,
graphite, or line illustration in ink.

Any comments on this idea would be appreciated.

Matthew A. Ross
Yosemite, CA
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FYI: Illustrator now has a FREE downloadable plugin that lets you convert
files created  with Freehand versions 3.0, 4.0, and 5.0 to AI format!!!

http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/LIBRARY/1ea.htm

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Ooh, and they have a free beta version of Adobe Pagemill 2.0 that is
downloadable from their site that blows the original version out of the
water!!!CHECK IT OUT!!!!Create your own web pages----its SOOOOOOO
easy!!Windows and Mac versions!!

http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/pagemill/main.html

CHeers!Polly

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Yes, sometimes I think Bill Gates is the Antichrist...
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        To all cronaflex users, past and (hopefully) future:  I've just
spoken with Elsie Kelly, our local Agfa representative.  According to her,
it would be possible without too much difficulty to reinstate the
manufacture of cronaflex, if she could assure her people that there was
indeed a market for it.  She has already submitted a short list names of
prospective customers but feels that she needs more to get the job done.
Therefore, everyone interested please give Elsie a call as soon as possible
at 1-800-540-2432, ext. 5802.  Be prepared to give her a rough projection
(non-binding) of your future orders; she needs some sort of numbers, not
just testamonials.  She asked that you mention my name ( Marlene Hill
Donnelly, Field Museum) as a reference point.
        This is a fine product, with no serious replacement; it would be a
great service to ourselves and to future illustrators if we could get it
back.  I think it's worth a try!



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>Yes, sometimes I think Bill Gates is the Antichrist...

I'm sure he would be flattered <g>.

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All you earth science people |:-)
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 <[log in to unmask]>                                                           
                                                                                

The Guild Handbook is not out of print, in fact, it is in its third             
printing; but the warehouse has under 100 copies now.  It can be                
obtained at a discount thru the GNSI for $80.00, including shipping.            
List price is $104.95, I think. The discounted price is for members             
of GNSI.  The Guild phone number is 301-309-1514 if anyone wants                
info about membership. Payment for the book must be in advance and              
charge cards are not accepted, as far as I know.                                
  Of course, one can order The Handbook thru the publisher's warehouse          
for full price plus shipping and tax: call Van Nostrand Reinhold/               
International Thompson Publishing at 1-800-842-3636.  Fax: 606-525-7778.        
The book's ISBN number is 0-442-23681-6.  This number helps in locating         
it.  Any bookstore can order it, and it is in libraries.                        
  I will start the revision in November, but this will not be out until         
around 1999.                                                                    
Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator                                      
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History                                     
Smithsonian Institution                                                         
Washington, D.C. 20560                                                          
Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894                                          
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Subject:      Re: cronaflex                                                     
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Thank you, Marlene, for contacting Agfa.  I have called the 800 number          
and left a message about my frustration at being unable to find a               
suitable carbon dust film for students, much less myself. Also I                
mentioned the revision of the Handbook that will need the names of              
surfaces to recommend to readers and the name of a supplier instead of          
Dupont, specifically Agfa, to put in the Appendix, if Agfa makes                
Cronaflex again.                                                                
  By the way, Bienfang has stopped making frosted acetate, another              
good carbon dust surface I had planned to recommend for my upcoming             
classes!  Pearl promises to send me a sample of their "matte" acetate           
but I wonder if it is really made by Bienfang. Of course, acetate is            
not ideal because it tears, is cellulose-based and thus less archival           
than polyester (basis of Cronaflex).                                            
  Some people prefer Cronaflex for inking, so the carbon dust technique         
alone is not the only one for this film.                                        
  Have any of you suggestions for a translucent carbon dust surface?            
There are several opaque surfaces possible: ColorAid (hard to get),             
ledger paper, Bristol board, Medical Models Board (Baltimore product and        
expensive), Claybord (heavy and expensive), etc.  I have tried Denril           
and it accepts dust well but pencil lines jump and are not black on the         
undusted surface. I plan to test others.  I found another polyester that        
worked well, Hoechst film from Utrecht - but Utrecht stopped carrying it!       
It is made in Germany and I have never seen it elsewhere.  It also inks         
well.  Anybody know where to get Hoechst film?                                  
  Aaaaaaaaagh!  Every time we find a good surface it disappears!                
  Elaine                                                                        
It's enough to drive one to computer graphics!  And then the Mac will           
disappear!                                                                      
Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator                                      
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History                                     
Smithsonian Institution                                                         
Washington, D.C. 20560                                                          
Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894                                          
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>Aaaaaaaaagh!  Every time we find a good surface it disappears!

>It's enough to drive one to computer graphics!

Hahahahahaha!

>And then the Mac will disappear!
>

No problem . . . . . <g>

Frank <building a better mousetrap>

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>It's enough to drive one to computer graphics!  And then the Mac will
>disappear!

But the PC's will still be here! :-)
Lana Johnson
Graphics Specialist
Visuals and Multimedia - CIT
UNL
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Oooh that must mean a PC isn't a good surface!Heeeeeeeeee
POlly

Pauline Tandon
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Hello all,
     This is the other Elaine here. I'm posting this in the hopes that =
one of you in the DC area may have a lead on a job that you can share =
with me. Some background: I earned a BS in biology with a chemistry =
minor last May (at the age of 44, I am, admittedly, happy with that =
accomplishment - so is my Mom who said she had been waiting for this all =
of my life!). I went for a chemistry minor, instead of art, to be =
practical...not realizing at the time that scientific illustration is a =
viable career choice. I am not experienced enough in illustration to =
step into that field yet but I would really like to get into the =
scientific publishing field (editing words or art). I would especially =
like something visual; wouldn't even mind looking in a microscope all =
day. Going back to school full-time is not practical right now but I am =
drawing at home (traditionally and electronically) and will take =
advantage of seminars, etc. to work on my illustration skills. In the =
meantime, an interesting job would be great. Any ideas? Thanks.
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>The Guild Handbook is not out of print, in fact, it is in its third
>
>printing; but the warehouse has under 100 copies now.  It can be
>
>obtained at a discount thru the GNSI for $80.00, including shipping.
>
>List price is $104.95, I think. The discounted price is for members
>
>of GNSI.  The Guild phone number is 301-309-1514 if anyone wants
>
>info about membership.

One can also order this book throught the web at ;
http://www.amazon.com/

They accept Credit cards.  10% discount of retail I think.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Subject: Re: Illustration Graphics.

>Greetings newslist participants!
>I've been "in the background" reading for a while now and have been
>considering the idea of sharing UUE files of illustrations for the purpose of
>critique.  Would any of you be interested, and willing to do, this?
>Being an "experimental" scientific illustrator I would love to have some
>imput on my work and would also love to see some examples, fine I'm sure, of
>others on this list.
>Most of my work has been pure wildlife illustration, either stipple,
>graphite, or line illustration in ink.
>
>Any comments on this idea would be appreciated.
>
>Matthew A. Ross
>Yosemite, CA

If you would like to send a few directly to me I'll have a look.  Don't
send them to the list serve!
Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Subject: for Darcy (DHOWARD954)

I tried e-mailing you directly regarding the subscriber list but my mail was
returned by the "mail-demon".
I would be interested in compiling a list of subscribers, both active and
inactive, to the sciart newslist.
As you stated, a name, e-mail address and or physical address, and a short
bio of the subscriber would be appreciated.

Be well!
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Darcy--do you know what time it will be visable on the East Coast?    
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Hi Meredith
The times for the eclipse are (EDT) Partial eclipse begins at 9:12 pm,
totality starts 10:19pm, mideclipse at 10:54
This eclipse is noteworthy in that the planet Saturn will be shining fairly
brightly (+0.5 magnitude) just a couple of degrees below or to the lower
right of the moon's edge around mideclipse.  Sky and Telescope September
issue has photographic exposure suggestions listed, and also how to do an
experiment in calculating longitude Columbus style. 'Tis interesting.
   I missed an eclipse when I was in 5th grade because I got confused about
converting time zones.  So, CDT the eclipse begins @ 8:12pm,  MDT @7:12pm and
PDT the eclipse will already be partial when the moon rises at sunset.
Clear skies and happy viewing!
Darcy
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From: "M.J. Spring" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: antiJoke de Jour

Emil, I am framing your note and handing it out to all of my 80 faculty
who wonder why am coming so close to missing deadlines.  Having changed
over to Win95 this summer along with the new Corel& Superprint (converting from
a 16 to a 32 bit system) leaves me without a driver for my Montage FR1
slidemaker(even though the "demo" said it would be ready in Sept. and now
is ditched)  Corel leaves letters out of words at its leasure and still
needs the old versions of my printer drivers (16 bit) to access printers.
I have not become well versed in something I call "software laundering", 
taking info from one program and insert it in another to get required
results.  Sort of the long way home. 

I am putting a new sign on my door.  Instead of "Scientific Illustrator"
it will read, "Computer Technician" 

Sort of makes me want a Mac.....MJ Spring 

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Darcy,
Would be happy to send a bio
Jayme S. Irvin,  [log in to unmask] 
Artist/Habitats Preparator for the Denver Museum of Natural History.  For the
museum I do restoration work on dioramas flora,  also repair on the murals -
and create any needed new replicas, trees, rocks,flowers etc.  Contract work
- involved in building habitats for small museums and visitor centers also
illustrations/signage of flora and fauna.  

Let me know if this helps you out.    -Jayme
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>Ooh, and they have a free beta version of Adobe Pagemill 2.0 that is
>downloadable from their site that blows the original version out of the
>water!!!CHECK IT OUT!!!!Create your own web pages----its SOOOOOOO
>easy!!Windows and Mac versions!!
>
>http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/pagemill/main.html
>
>CHeers!Polly


Hi Polly and Britt.......speaking of web pages, has there been any more
movement on ours yet?  This is my first day back after an 8-week
hiatus (major heart attack 6 weeks past my 41st birthday)........I had
over 3500 emails waiting and had to delete the whole batch so I
apologize if there was web page info already on board!  Just thought
I would check and see if there are any dazzling new entries awaiting!!

A belated congratulations on your new baby Britt!! : )

cheers to all......Jaynie




Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, TJNAF
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility
(formerly CEBAF, Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
http://www.cebaf.gov  ,[log in to unmask]
Phone: 804-249-5022  FAX: 804-249-7352
GNSI member (Guild of Natural Science Illustrators)
                                   *******************
Nothing is too wonderful to be true..........Michael Faraday





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Subject: Re: inkjet on vinyl

For those investigating vinyl graphics, be sure to check with vendors for
automotive graphics.
There is a world of creative solutions and materials that could be utilized.
Because of the target market costs may be more competitive when compared with
suppliers for advertising graphics.
Just a thought.

KSMatz
Dept of Human Genetics
University of Utah
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From: Launi Lucas <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Adhesives

I need to mount a few pen & ink insect illustrations done on EESDEE board
onto a stronger surface, like archival matte board.  Does anyone know of an
adhesive that would work without damaging the original drawings?  I am
thinking of using 3M Photo-Mount spray adhesive...but the more I read...the
more it seems that no adhesive is completely  'acceptable'.  Am I missing
something?  Thanks for the help.

Launi Lucas
Editorial/Biological Illustrator
University of British Columbia
 

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You might look into the 3M positionable mounting adhesive #568. It's
archival and easy to work with. It basically makes your piece into a
sticker and you use a slip sheet for positioning the piece before
burnishing. Call Fidelity Graphic Products catalogue for more info
800-326-7555. They sell it by the roll. 

Catherine Sexton

University of Chicago
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(312)834-0028

*after Oct.12 area code changes to (773)

On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Launi Lucas wrote:

> I need to mount a few pen & ink insect illustrations done on EESDEE board
> onto a stronger surface, like archival matte board.  Does anyone know of an
> adhesive that would work without damaging the original drawings?  I am
> thinking of using 3M Photo-Mount spray adhesive...but the more I read...the
> more it seems that no adhesive is completely  'acceptable'.  Am I missing
> something?  Thanks for the help.
> 
> Launi Lucas
> Editorial/Biological Illustrator
> University of British Columbia
>  
> 

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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Re: for Darcy (DHOWARD954)

>I tried e-mailing you directly regarding the subscriber list but my mail was
>returned by the "mail-demon".
>I would be interested in compiling a list of subscribers, both active and
>inactive, to the sciart newslist.
>As you stated, a name, e-mail address and or physical address, and a short
>bio of the subscriber would be appreciated.
>
>Be well!
Britt Griswold
[log in to unmask]
823 Holly Drive East Annapolis, MD 21401
I graduated from a 2 year community college AA liberal arts.
Moved to the Maryland Institute of Art in Baltimore for a BA in Graphic
Design and Illustration.
Found the GNSI while visiting Elaine Hodges on a school field trip to the
Smithsonian in 1980.
Started doing Freelance Entomological work at the Smithsonian Natural
History Building in 1981.  Used the entre to work for other departments in
the museum.
Moved to a full-time job as a designer/art director/illustrator/production/
and computer trouble shooter at Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt MD
in late 1992.

Married, 2 kids.  Wife works full time as a computer programmer.  Mortgage
to pay.

Hows that?

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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> Started doing Freelance Entomological work at the Smithsonian Natural
> History Building in 1981.  Used the entre to work for other departments in
> the museum.
> Moved to a full-time job as a designer/art director/illustrator/production/
> and computer trouble shooter at Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt MD
> in late 1992.
> 
> Married, 2 kids.  Wife works full time as a computer programmer.  Mortgage
> to pay.
> 
> Hows that?
> 
> Britt
> 



That's good, Britt - but all this time I thought you were a gal!

Cindy
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Does anyone know the GNSI URL?

Is there any good heading for me to list my web page when I finish it,
hopefully sometime this week?    Pat
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Hi Darcy et al-

I've spent the last several days yakking with folks about outdoor 
exhibits and materials. Paul Mirocha and Merri Nelson were both great 
resources in general; they provided lots of good info and additional 
contacts. Many thanks to them and to others who responded on the 
listserve.

While the enamel on steel seems to be the first choice with regard to 
looks and durability, its expense is a real drawback. A 2x3 sign could 
run between 1500 and 2000 bucks, and while it lasts forever, if it 
gets vandalized, then it has to be completely redone, at the same 
cost. Both Paul and Merri pointed out that with fiberglass-embedded 
silkscreen, a few copies could be done at the beginning and replaced 
as needed.

Another product, recommended by the WA State Parks people, is 3M 
Scotchprint (Steve Johnson of MaGraw,Inc., 1-800-695-4185), which 
sounds promising. It's an electronic graphics process which "makes it 
possible to effectively produce photograph-like full color images on 
vinyl films or paper virtually any size with guaranteed interior and 
exterior durability". Files can be archived, and there's a 4 yr. full 
replacement warranty by 3M for outdoor use if it fades. Ballpark 
figures on graphics alone (no mounting materials included) around 
$15/sq.ft. Can be mounted on plexiglass, aluminum, etc.

Has anyone any comments about this product?

Cindy
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Thanks for the info Darcy! M
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>Another product, recommended by the WA State Parks people, is 3M
>Scotchprint (Steve Johnson of MaGraw,Inc., 1-800-695-4185), which
>sounds promising. It's an electronic graphics process which "makes it
>possible to effectively produce photograph-like full color images on
>vinyl films or paper virtually any size with guaranteed interior and
>exterior durability". Files can be archived, and there's a 4 yr. full
>replacement warranty by 3M for outdoor use if it fades. Ballpark
>figures on graphics alone (no mounting materials included) around
>$15/sq.ft. Can be mounted on plexiglass, aluminum, etc.
>
>Has anyone any comments about this product?
>
>Cindy

Great Idea!

Contact Jane Axamethy In NJ. She works at the Liberty Science Center.  I
beleive she has used the 3M product with some success.  She is in the GNSI
Directory.


Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
[log in to unmask]


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From: Jennifer Fairman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Adobe Photoshop 4.0
To: <[log in to unmask]>

Hey Everyone!

Ok....Things have evolved so quickly this year with software and hardware....
Here's a question:  Has anyone checked out the new Adobe Photoshop 4.0.
I mean I know you can order it, but I wonder when it was released, it's new
features, I hear it has a lot of new filters, and layer/palette capabilities.
Does anyone out there know about this?  Also, PageMaker has just been upped
to 6.5.....Wow, can you believe this?

Oh yeah...I have down loaded the new Netscape 3.0 and so far it looks great.
It enables multiple frames and has other various new features.  I am still
experimenting with PageMill 2.0, and I must say it is much better than 1.0.
(I have been a Pagemill 1.0 sceptic for a very long time even though WYSIWYG
is meant to be a benevolent and practical thing to use!)

Ok...someone just walkedinto my office and gave me a few updates:
Acrobat 3.0 is out in beta and can be downloaded.

Apparently Photoshop 4.0 has some great new features, so says MacWeek,
HOWEVER, don't expect the changes to be as great a change from 3.0.5
to 4.0 as was 2.5 to 3.0.

But, if anyone has any commentary or info they know about this whole thing,
I'd greatly appreciate it! ;)

Thanks everyone,
Jennifer

Jennifer Fairman
Scientific Illustrator
NMNH, Smithsonian
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To: <[log in to unmask]>

Ok...I just talked to George Venable and he says that 4.0 won't be released
until November.  but the Prediction is that is will require even more memory
than the last upgrade.....what else is new?

Also: at the end of the year, Illustrator will be upgraded as well....
didn't we all just go to 6.0?
wow!

Jennifer Fairman
Scientific Illustrator
NMNH, Smithsonian
[log in to unmask]

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From: [log in to unmask] (Clara R. Simpson)
Subject: Re: for Darcy (DHOWARD954)


>That's good, Britt - but all this time I thought you were a gal!
>
>Cindy

naaa

-Resisting all other remarks, you're welcome, Britt.
-Clara


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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Re: antiJoke de Jour

>Corel leaves letters out of words at its leasure and still
>needs the old versions of my printer drivers (16 bit) to access printers.

MJ

I have always avaoided the Corel family of programs. Luckily I had a bad
early experience with the stuff, and made a point to buy the other guy's
stuff.

>>I am putting a new sign on my door.  Instead of "Scientific Illustrator"
it will read, "Computer Technician" <<

After my latest computer upgrade, I need a sign that says "hardhat zone".
My new M-Board is the biggest "Full AT" design on the planet. We actually
had to pull out the SawzAll(!) to "modify" the computer case <g>. Radical.

How's things north of the border?

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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From: [log in to unmask] (Clara R. Simpson)
Subject: Re: for Darcy (DHOWARD954)

Hi Darcy:

I got into this backwards...from a degree in zoology (UW-Madison), then
learning to draw, getting a parttime job at Field Museum, ages ago, which I
still have.  I used to do freelance work when not at FM, now I'm Mom to a
four year old (Kate) when I'm not here.  Most everything I have learned was
either here (no small thanks to my office-mate, Marlene Donnelly) or at
Guild meetings, though I knew how to look at specimens through a microscope
when I started.

I'm a jack-of-all-trades in black and white here at FM (with its corrolary
perhaps); have been interested in computers since about Illustrator 88 on a
souped up Mac Plus (my husband bought from one of his supervisors),
whenever that was.  Now I'm in the midst of a traditional job and loving it
(but missing the keyboard).  Gee I wish I had time (the excuse) to learn
something about PhotoShop.

-Clara Simpson
Field Museum, Zoology
(avail. Wed. and Thurs.)


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>[log in to unmask]                     John Nyquist
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Pauline Tandon
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From: "M.J. Spring" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: "sleepless in storrs"

<<buy the other guy's stuff"

Frankie, Perhaps it is time for you to direct me to another
program to replace CorelDRAW! I am working in Win95 on a Gateway2000,
32 mgs ram, Gig hardrive, HP scanner, Epson colorprinter, lazer
printer, montageFR1 slidemaker. I have Photoshop and love it.
Also use SIgmaplot for number crunching.  Need a good all-around
draw program.  Anyone else with knowledge of a good dos program
please share with me.

<<How's things north of the border?

The northeast is really into fall, My drive from the shore to
Storrs is through farmland and hills.
Misty morning beauty, pumpkins piled everywhere.I spent
a lot of time with my watercolors last week.  Best MJ

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><<buy the other guy's stuff"
>
>Frankie, Perhaps it is time for you to direct me to another
>program to replace CorelDRAW! I am working in Win95 on a Gateway2000,

 Need a good all-around
>draw program.  Anyone else with knowledge of a good dos program
>please share with me.
>

I would suggest Freehand for the PC, or hold on till Adobe Updates
Illustrator for the PC.
Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Does anyone know of a vendor that makes printed stickers from camera-ready
art? I'm trying to find a source for those
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Thanks-

=======================================
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From: Lana Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: CorelDraw!

MJ,
I have been using CorelDraw since version 3.0 came out.I am now on 6.0 with
Windows95. I work exclusively on a PC and I do most all of my drawing with
this program and have for almost 5 years now. Yes, we have had some problems
with it but those have mostly been when we have to go out to our software
for the imaging cameras or when we hook up new network stuff to my computer. 

The newer versions work MUCH better than the first versions. And we usually
wait until the version has been out for about 4-6 months before we update.
That way they seem to get the bugs out. I currently am using 5.0 at work and
6.0 at home. I realllly like 6.0. It has some really nice features that make
doing my work much easier. I have had only one problem with 6.0 at home. I
accidentally installed ALL the fonts. Big mistake. There are like 900 of
them. I had lots of memory problems until I deleted everything Corel
installed and then reinstalled it without any fonts. Install the fonts
through the windows95 font install not through Corel and you shouldn't have
too many problems. Corel also comes with a basic 3-D modeling program that
is quite fun to play with too.

So I would reconsider COrelDraw if I were you. I really like it. If you have
any more questions, please feel free to email me directly! 
Lana Johnson
Graphics Specialist
Visuals and Multimedia - CIT
UNL
Lincoln, NE 68583-0918
(402) 472-3025

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From: Jennifer Fairman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: "sleepless in storrs"
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Subject: Re: "sleepless in storrs"

><<buy the other guy's stuff"
>
>Frankie, Perhaps it is time for you to direct me to another
>program to replace CorelDRAW! I am working in Win95 on a Gateway2000,

 Need a good all-around
>draw program.  Anyone else with knowledge of a good dos program
>please share with me.
>

I would suggest Freehand for the PC, or hold on till Adobe Updates
Illustrator for the PC.
Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
[log in to unmask]

....or maybe the new Canvas 5.0 for the PC....
I don't know, I think I missed half of this conversation

Jennifer Fairman
Scientific Illustrator
NMNH, Smithsonian
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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Re: "sleepless in storrs"

>>Frankie, Perhaps it is time for you to direct me to another
>>program to replace CorelDRAW! I am working in Win95 on a Gateway2000,

I agree with Britt about Freehand vrs Illustrator on the PC. I use (when I
have to) Illustrator on the PC and it is the only time I wish I was on my
Mac @ work. I haven't any experience with Canvas. Jennifer has a good point
about the most recent versions of Corel being better. But for me, as they
say . . . once burned, twice shy <g>.

Sounds like you have a pretty good setup there. If you are doings lots of
Photoshop, take advantage of the *LOW* RAM $$$ that aren't likely to stay
low for long.

>>The northeast is really into fall, My drive from the shore to
Storrs is through farmland and hills.
Misty morning beauty, pumpkins piled everywhere.I spent
a lot of time with my watercolors last week. <<

sounds great, girl. I am looking forward to see those colors in the next month.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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 <[log in to unmask]>

For mounting clay-coated board, I strongly urge you not to glue it down
with anything!  Atmosphere will cause the board to expand and contract
at a different rate from the mounting board and you will end up with
a buckled drawing.  This happened to me recently when I mounted the
old Ross board (yes, I still have some) with a lot of archival double-sided
tape on the back of the drawing.  [yes, I know better.  Call me dum-dum.]
I had to carefully cut the clay-coated board off its backing by slicing
through the powerfully attached tape with a very long, sharp kitchen
knife that was thin enough to fit between the drawing board and mounting
board. The clay still cracked extensively, but each time it did, I stopped
and readjusted the knife; the cracks filled in. They are there but invisible
to the naked eye. The bubbled board still has not flattened out.
  Instead - do as Trudy Nicholson recommends: leave plenty of room around
your drawing and tape the drawing board to the backing with a minimal
amount of tape like Scotch 810 (green box), perhaps on corners and centers
of each side, depending on the size of the drawing board.  You can always
easily cut the drawing loose from its backing by cutting thru the tape.
  One characteristic of "archival" is that anything used or done is
reversible.  Read the conservation chapter 3 of the Guild Handbook and
the adhesives section of chapter 1.  Adhesives were one of the "stickier"
problems we had with the Handbook in terms of what to advise.
  Elaine






Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, D.C. 20560
Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894
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Say Frank...Heard you had lunch with Caroline the bug lady?Polly

Pauline Tandon
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Ooops, that was supposed to be sent to Frank and NOT the list!Sorry!POlly

Pauline Tandon
Instructional Technology Specialist
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From: [log in to unmask] (Natalie A. Furrey)
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Subject: Re: RECIPIENTS SCIART-L
Date: 27 Sep 1996 14:03:38 GMT
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Organization: Tucson Macintosh Users Group-TMUG!

Here is a correction for the list of subscribers;  [log in to unmask]   is 
Natalie Furrey.  Being that this was my first attempt at a listserve I
goofed. It looks like I signed up exactly as Britt has shown and am now using
his name too. Opps...sorry Britt. By the way it is nice to be amongst such
sharing and talent. 
Short bio: I am a Medical Technologist working with the Arizona Veterinary
Diagnostic Lab in pathogenic microbiology. Rarely does my job require any
artistic imput. I do have an abiding interest in scientific illustration and
wish to improve. Currently my major challenge is learning the computer as I
edit the just started quarterly Newsletter for the lab.
Occasionally I help with my husbands hobby, designing and producing artistic
architectual blacksmithing, mostly botanical themes with sort of a fluid
three dimentional freehand look...he creats the form and we  both work on
specific placement on the gate or whatever. He does really nice stuff. I
dabble in calligraphy and make quilts and just finished a recipe book (for
gifts only) using the computer. I have a fun quilt going, frog theme with the
frog life cycle appliqued over the internal boarder....anybody got any good
pictures for the stages of frog development that I can reference?
It is nice to be among you all.
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Subject: Subscribers & friends

Thanks to Polly for posting our subscriber lists.  We've gotten to know a few
of the more chatty folks... but there are many untapped resources among our
ranks that we don't know about yet!   Matthew Ross has offered to compile a
list of us including names, e mail, city, snail mail address if you're not in
the GNSI directory, and a short biography.  This info is all voluntary, you
can send it directly to him at entomo.aol.com     Even if you are shy, you
might want to send in your info and say that you prefer to lurk!
   After he gets the list put together, he can send the completed tally back
to you directly if you request it.  Try to send your info to him within the
next week.
   I've made some good friends in the GNSI, and would like to get to know all
of you!     
Darcy
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Subject: PRO-ADHESIVES

     For those interested in professional glues and adhesives conservation 
     people are using, attached is a ASCII (DOS) file which I have  
     recently discovered on the Royal Ontario Museum internal bulletin 
     board.
     
     
     
     
     Emil Huston
     Royal Ontario Museum
     Toronto

CONSERVATION RECOMMENDED ADHESIVES - Updated February 1996.
Only adhesives which have proved non corrosive are listed. For a complete list of products
tested, contact the conservation department.
 
SEALING AND CAULKING ADHESIVES 

Used for making waterproof joints in crates and cases.

General Electric Silicone II                      last tested: 1992 (no formula
change                                                                                    since last tested)

- silicone adhesive\sealant
- dries cloudy white, barely translucent
- remains flexible

Manufacturer: General Electric Canada Inc.
              Subdivision GE Silicone
              1920 Silicone Drive
              Pickering                              telephone 905 858 5741

Source: Canadian Tire (Canada's national hardware store - E.H.)


General Electric Clear Silicone II                last tested: April 1995

- silicone adhesive
- dries semi-translucent
- remains flexible
- must be allowed to dry for 1 week minimum to allow ammonia to escape

Manufacturer: General Electric Canada Inc
              Subdivision GE Silicone
              1920 Silicone Dr.
              Pickering                             telephone 905 858 5741

Source: Canadian Tire


Bulldog Grip Acrylic Latex Sealant                last tested: July 1995

- siliconised acrylic latex
- dries opaque white
- paintable
- remains slightly flexible
-   toxic, skin and eye irritant, respiratory hazard

Manufacturer:  Canadian Adhesives Ltd.
               1800 Clark Blvd.
               Brampton, Ontario L6T 4M7

Local Source: Hardware stores

Bulldog Grip Tub'n'Tile                 last tested: August 1995

- dries opaque white
- dries very flexible
- adhesion not as good as Bulldog Acrylic Latex Sealant
- supposedly mildew resistant
-   low odour


Manufacturer:  Canadian Adhesives Ltd.
               1800 Clark Blvd.
               Brampton, Ontario L6T 4M7

Local Source: Many hardware stores

CONSERVATION MATERIALS TESTING RESULTS

CARPENTERS GLUES 

Most of the carpenters glues tested were very corrosive. There are only two of the recommended
ones still in production.

Cabinetmakers glue 202 GF                         last tested: February 1996

- modified polyvinyl acetate emulsion
- dries dark brown
- very strong bond
- allow 24 hours drying time before crate/case is closed

Supplier\Distributor:    Lee Valley Tools Ltd.
          P.O. Box 695
          Station J
          Ottawa, Ontario K2A 1T4       telephone: 1-800-267-8767



Elmers Carpenters Glue                            last tested: February 1996

- modified polyvinyl acetate emulsion
- dries bright yellow
- allow 3 full days drying time before crate/case is closed

Manufacturer:  The Borden Co. Ltd.
               Willowdale, Ontario M2J 4V6   telephone: (416) 497-9901

Local Supplier:      Zellers, Home Hardware, Canadian Tire            


GENERAL PURPOSE GLUES - WHITE GLUES

These are water-based emulsions usually polyvinyl acetate or acrylics, they are intended as
general household adhesives. Most of these white glues contain corrosive volatiles such as
acetic acid or ammonia, Those with a detectable odour of vinegar or ammonia should not
be used. Although they are water based, these adhesives are not always safe, most of
them have biocidal additives and some of them are predissolved in small amounts of
poisonous organic solvents before being dispersed in water.

School glues and Craft glues are similar products which often have additives making the
bond weaker and more water-resoluble. They are not necessarily less toxic than the
household or industrial white glues.

At present we do not recommend any of the locally available commercial white glues THIS
INCLUDES NAMEBRANDS WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED because of recent
formula changes.

 CONSERVATION MATERIALS TESTING RESULTS

PRESSURE SENSITIVE CONTACT GLUES

Used to create a sticky surface for attaching fabrics to plinths, adhering light weight matt
board labels, velcro, etc.

See also Adhesives tapes, double-sided tapes.

Rhoplex N580                       last tested: February 1993

- Acrylic emulsion which dries water-white and extremely tacky
- needs 6-12 hours drying time before surface is usable
- rather strong adhesive; fabrics cannot be pulled off and realigned because fibres are
  pulled off destroying the tack


Manufacturer: Rohm and Haas

Source: Conservation Materials Ltd.
        1395 Greg St., Suite 110
        Sparks, Nevada 89431       telephone (800) 733-5283



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     A list (from the Internet) of actual answers given on a variety of 
     high school science tests. I can't tell if I should laugh or weep for 
     the future. Enjoy.
     
     
     
     ---------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     "When you breath, you inspire. when you do not breath, you expire."
     
     "H2O is hot water, and CO2 is cold water"
     
     "To collect fumes of sulphur, hold a deacon over a flame in a test 
     tube."
     
     "When you smell an orderless gas, it is probably carbon monoxide."
     
     "Water is composed of two gins, Oxygin and Hydrogin. Oxygin is pure 
     gin. Hydrogin is gin and water."
     
     "The moon is a planet just like the earth, only it is even deader."
     
     "Artificial insemination is when the farmer does it to the cow instead 
     of the bull."
     
     "Mushrooms always grow in damp places and so they look like 
     umbrellas."
     
     "Equator: A managerie lion running around the Earth through Africa."
     
     "For a nosebleed: Put the nose much lower than the body until the 
     heart stops."
     
     "For drowning: climb on top of the person and move up and down to make 
     artificial perspiration."
     
     "For fainting: rub the person's chest or, if its a lady, rub her arm 
     above the hand instead. Or put the head between the knees of the 
     nearest medical doctor."
     
     "For head cold: use an agonizer to spray the nose until it drops into 
     your throat."
     
     "Vacuum: a large, empty space where the pope lives."
     
     
     
     
     
     
     Emil Huston
     Royal Ontario Museum
     Toronto

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Subject: Re: RECIPIENTS SCIART-L

Natalie Furrey wrote:

 I have a fun quilt going, frog theme with the
>frog life cycle appliqued over the internal boarder....anybody got any good
>pictures for the stages of frog development that I can reference?
>It is nice to be among you all.

Natalie,

Hello!  QUilt sounds great! I am not sure exactly if it is the reference
you want or the pictures of various stages or just an interesting stage
idea. If you still need one of the above, let me know and I will surely
have an idea.  Duellman and Trueb's "Biology of Amphibians" is a good test
with nice illustrations by Trueb.  A reference and pictures could
definately be found there.  Why I am really replying however is to suggest
what I think is so much more clever in frog development......have you seen
or heard of the direct developing frogs?  They are frogs that skip to
tadpole stage and develop directly into a froglet.  There are all types of
developmental strategies along a continuum from typical tadpoles to extreme
direct developers.......now those are some neat staging pictures.
good luck and cheers, giselle


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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Natalie A. Furrey wrote:

 I have a fun quilt going, frog theme with the
> frog life cycle appliqued over the internal boarder....anybody got any good
> pictures for the stages of frog development that I can reference?
> It is nice to be among you all.

Natalie:

How detailed do you want?  I should be able to find the old Turtox model 
keys for "frog development" -- line drawings of "unfertilized egg"  to 
"tadpole".  Would that help?

[To the rest of you/us -- I'll get my bio. in soon -- just an overworked 
biologist footsoldier who gets some relaxation out of sketching and 
cartooning entomology subjects! It's nice to feel wanted, though -- you 
are good people!]  

Steve ([log in to unmask])
Museum Technician
Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, B.C., Canada

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From: [log in to unmask] (Jaynie Martz)
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>     A list (from the Internet) of actual answers given on a variety of
>     high school science tests. I can't tell if I should laugh or weep for
>     the future. Enjoy.
>
>     "When you smell an orderless gas, it is probably carbon monoxide."

>     "For drowning: climb on top of the person and move up and down to make
>     artificial perspiration."
>
>     "For fainting: rub the person's chest or, if its a lady, rub her arm
>     above the hand instead. Or put the head between the knees of the
>     nearest medical doctor."
>
>     "For head cold: use an agonizer to spray the nose until it drops into
>     your throat."
>
>     "Vacuum: a large, empty space where the pope lives."

Thanks Emil.....I haven't laughed this hard in a loooooooong time!
Cheers....Jaynie


Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility
(formerly CEBAF, Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility)
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Phone: 757-269-5022  FAX: 757-269-7352
GNSI member (Guild of Natural Science Illustrators)






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From: Launi Lucas <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Adhesives

Thanks a lot Elaine....just the information I needed.  I was hoping I could
learn from someone elses mistakes!?  Sorry it had to be you.


At 03:58 PM 9/26/96 -0500, you wrote:
>For mounting clay-coated board, I strongly urge you not to glue it down
>with anything!  Atmosphere will cause the board to expand and contract
>at a different rate from the mounting board and you will end up with
>a buckled drawing.  This happened to me recently when I mounted the
>old Ross board (yes, I still have some) with a lot of archival double-sided
>tape on the back of the drawing.  [yes, I know better.  Call me dum-dum.]
>I had to carefully cut the clay-coated board off its backing by slicing
>through the powerfully attached tape with a very long, sharp kitchen
>knife that was thin enough to fit between the drawing board and mounting
>board. The clay still cracked extensively, but each time it did, I stopped
>and readjusted the knife; the cracks filled in. They are there but invisible
>to the naked eye. The bubbled board still has not flattened out.
>  Instead - do as Trudy Nicholson recommends: leave plenty of room around
>your drawing and tape the drawing board to the backing with a minimal
>amount of tape like Scotch 810 (green box), perhaps on corners and centers
>of each side, depending on the size of the drawing board.  You can always
>easily cut the drawing loose from its backing by cutting thru the tape.
>  One characteristic of "archival" is that anything used or done is
>reversible.  Read the conservation chapter 3 of the Guild Handbook and
>the adhesives section of chapter 1.  Adhesives were one of the "stickier"
>problems we had with the Handbook in terms of what to advise.
>  Elaine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Elaine R.S. Hodges, Scientific Illustrator
>MRC 169, National Museum of Natural History
>Smithsonian Institution
>Washington, D.C. 20560
>Phone: 202-357-2128, Fax: 202-786-2894
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>
>
Launi Lucas
Editorial/Biological Illustrator
Department of Zoology
University of British Columbia

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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Re: FRANK?

>Say Frank...Heard you had lunch with Caroline the bug lady?Polly

Polly?

The bug lady was fine. She says hi.

>>OOPS<<

Ha! Now I get to publish one secret factoid about you. No doubt gleened
from my contact with the bug lady <BG>.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Hey Frank,
oooh THAT could be really really embarrassing...SHE KNOWS EVERYTHING about
me!Heeeeeee

Lets hope she doesn't spill the beans! Caroline is a great person!!

Sooooo, hows life with you these days???Haven't heard from you on the list
much, but OH EMIL"S funnies are SOoooooo good!

Hope all is well!!!Write when you can!!Polly

Pauline Tandon
Instructional Technology Specialist
University of Nebraska
501 Building Rm 126
(402) 472-4193
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Hi
Not too long ago, I made drawings in Illustrator ( on my mac,) saved them as
an eps file, and sent them to Mr. Windows 95 who opened them in Corel.  When
viewed in Corel, the drawings have some unintentional and inappropriate
lettering on them, like question marks and "Layer One" .  How can I correct
this problem on the Illustrator side?

I feel like making a T shirt with a person standing on the Pedestal of Truth,
proclaiming "WYSIWYG is a Myth!"

Darcy  |:-)
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>Hi
>Not too long ago, I made drawings in Illustrator ( on my Mac,) saved them as
>an eps file, and sent them to Mr. Windows 95 who opened them in Corel.  When
>viewed in Corel, the drawings have some unintentional and inappropriate
>lettering on them, like question marks and "Layer One" .  How can I correct
>this problem on the Illustrator side?

I do not have any experience sending Illustrator files to Corel.  But you
may have better luck saving them as older versions of Illustrator EPS.
However if you are trying to keep things like Layers and Gradients intact
that would be a problem.

You may not be able to correct this problem inside Illustrator, as it may
be the Corel's fault.  Corel is well known for harboring Bugs, and besides
Illustrator was here first, so Corel's Import filter needs the tweaking, I
think.

>From an Illustrator chauvinist,

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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From: Linda Ward
Subject: Carnegie Museum position -Forwarded

Molly, I tought I would pass this along to you in case you have an e-mail
list for the GNSI people - maybe one of them would be interested.  Linda

*** Forwarding note from POLLOCK --OVLINK   09/01/96 14:43 ***
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From: Darren Pollock <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Carnegie Museum position

New Position:  SCIENTIFIC PREPARATOR

Department:   Carnegie Museum of Natural History, Section of Invert. Zoology

Primary Function:  Preparation and illustration of scientific specimens of
invertebrates, primarily insects, and public interface in collection and
work stations on public display.

Equipment used:   Laboratory equipment, including a variety of microscopes;
critical point drying apparatus; specialized preparation devices; computer
systems; standard office, photographic, art and illustration equipment.

Education/Experience:   Bachelor's Degree (or equivalent degree or work
experience), skills in illustration and public interaction preferred.
Experience in biology, entomology or museums helpful but not required as
on-the-job training will be provided.

Employment training:   Three months.

Supervised by:   Curatorial staff.

Supervision Exercised:  Some training of part-time, volunteer, and
work-study persons to assist with specimen preparation and labelling.

Work performed:   Prepare, process, and label specimens (primarily insects)
for permanent storage in the research collection, e.g., sorting, transfer,
drying, pinning, pointing, spreading, dissecting, cataloguing; provide
scientific illustrations of invertebrate specimens for professional
publications and educational programming; coordinate public interface for
collection activities at work stations on public display; conserve specimens
using accepted practices of preservation, including such tasks as
remounting, respreading, repinning, and relabelling; maintain a fluid
storage system for bulk specimen samples with respect to taxonomic group and
preparation levels; sort bulk samples; participate in scientific field work,
education, and exhibits programs as assigned by curators; train temporary
staff to assist with above duties.

THIS IS A PERMANENT POSITION TO BEGIN IN FALL, 1996.

        Entry level salary:    $20,466 + benefits
        37.5 hours/week; 8:30-5:00 pm, Monday to Friday

Applicants should send current resume, letter of application, and addresses
of two persons to contact for recommendations to the following address:


Dr. John E. Rawlins
Section of Invertebrate Zoology
Carnegie Museum of Natural History
4400 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
        phone: 412-622-3259
        e-mail: [log in to unmask]

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Darren A. Pollock, Ph.D.
Rea Postdoctoral Fellow
Section of Invertebrate Zoology,
Carnegie Museum of Nat. History
4400 Forbes Ave.,
Pittsburgh PA  15213
        email: [log in to unmask]
        phone: 412-622-3259
        fax  : 412-622-8837

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From: [log in to unmask] (Clara R. SImpson)
Subject: Re: A chuckle from the net

Thanks, Emil.

I like the one about holding a deacon over a flame in a test tube.  It's a
nice little picture.

-Clara Simpson


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Date: 02 Oct 96 14:45:51 EDT
From: Michael Rothman <[log in to unmask]>
To: list SciArt-L <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Big headaches with MacOS 7.5.3 update
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>

Dear Fellow GNSI members,
                This is my first attempt to reach other GNSI-SciArt subscribers
and it comes at a time of extreme frustration with my efforts at moving my MacOS
from 7.5 to 7.5.3.  Basically, here is the problem:  I'm an illustrator and I'm
interested in both the 3-D modeling capabilities and Open Transport
possibilities that would come with MacOS 7.5.3.  However, when I upgraded from
7.5 to 7.5.3 on my NUBus Mac 7100/66, none of my telecommunications, except
faxing, worked.  Here is my system setup:
I have 40MB RAM;
MACCIM 2.4.1;
Global Village Teleport Gold II Modem with  version 2.1.4 fax and
telecommunications software;
Netscape Navigator 3.0 (purchased from Netscape);
an Iomega Zip 100 Drive with Zip Tools 4.3;
an Agfa Studio Scan IIsi ( with Photoshop LE 3.0; PhotoLook 2.07.2; PhotoSnap
2.07.2; and OnmiPage Direct 2.01); 
my relatively small collection of applications includes Dabbler 1.0; Graphic
Converter 2.06, Claris works 2.1, and Symantec 4.0.  I have a Wacom tablet as
well.

My machine originally came with MacOS 7.1.2 and I upgraded successfully to MacOS
7.5 this past June.   All of my telecommunications (CompuServe, faxing,
accessing the Internet on CompuServe with MacTCP and FreePPP via Netscape),and
faxing, all work fine under System 7.5.

But when I upgraded to 7.5.3, using the Mac CD-ROM  (Blue Colored), the
telecommunications all failed.  The scanner and regular word processing
continued to function properly.  I followed the instructions for the CD Read Me
files explicitly.  Including updating the drivers on the Mac HD.

I called Apple and CompuServe and based on their recommendation upgraded my
MACCIM from 2.4.1 to the newest 2.4.4 version and also upgraded my Global
Village Software from 2.1.4 to 2.5.6.  Again, the newest version.  I followed
Apple's advice again and did clean installs.  But the telecommunications still
failed.

I repeated. the entire process, but this time initializing the hard drive,
updating the drivers, and reinstalling 7.5 from the bootable System CD (Black
Disc). I reinstalled only my original telecommunications software (nothing from
the scanner), from saved versions (with aoppropriate Preferences), from files on
my Zip Drive.  The telecommuications worked in the 7.5 environment.  I upgraded
the telecommunications software (to MACCIM 2.4.4 and GV 2.5.6) while still under
MacOS 7.5: they continued working.  But, then with another 7.5.3 update from the
Blue MacOS 7.5.3 CD-ROM the telecommunications failed again.  This is with
"Classic Networking" remaining changed in the Apples Extra Folder.

I called Apple again and they told me to reinitialize the Hard Drive, update the
drivers, reinstall 7.5 from the Black CD, then do the 7.5.3 update from the Blue
7.5.3 CD-ROM before I installed any telecommunications software.  I did this and
then subsequently reinstalled, from floppy drives and my Zip Drive the
telecommunications software.  Again, the telecommunications failed.  Whether I
had the old MACCIM and GV software or the newer MACCIM and GV software, the
telecommunications fails under 7.5.3.  

Do you have any idea what might be wrong?  Would 7.5.5 fix this?  Do I have to
go to "Open Transport" with TCP/IP in stead of "Classic  Networking" with
MacTCP/IP?  Do I have to get MacPPP 2.5 as well?  Thanks very, very much for
your help.

Sincerely,  Mike Rothman [log in to unmask]

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