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Hello to the List-serv!!   I hope everyone had a lively holiday.

I have a curious question.  I have an association with a new printer in the
area.  They specialize in printing oversized images with high quality plotter
printers on numerous materials such as vinyl, foam core, many types of
fabrics, and papers. They have the ability to retain quality from small scale
to large scale.  They can handle very large files very quickly. Their work
seems to be high quality at a good price.

My question is this.  The sales rep questioned me about the Guild and the
list-serv. I think he is looking for groups of people to market to. I
referred him to Leslie Becker.  I did not want to give him access to the
List-serv, but he pressed me on it (politely).  What is yall's option?  I
think his services could be useful to Guild members, but I don't think the
list-serv should be an advertising forum.

Does the Guild have some kind of policy on handling vendors such as this?
 I'm hoping Leslie has the answers, but if anyone has an opinion, let me
know.

Amelia Janes
Midwest Educational Graphics
6 Lyons Circle
Madison, WI 53704
  

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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Re: Printer information

>Does the Guild have some kind of policy on handling vendors such as this?
> I'm hoping Leslie has the answers, but if anyone has an opinion, let me
>know.
>
>Amelia Janes
>Midwest Educational Graphics
>6 Lyons Circle
>Madison, WI 53704
>

Amelia,

Spamming would definately not be welcome on the list.  Spamming is the act
of self promotion in large quantities (originatig from the military's habit
of feeding the troops Spam for breakfast, lunch, and dinner during wars
past).

However, if you have found his services to be good, and he is selling to a
national market,  then YOU putting in a plug for him with an E-mail address
and phone number would, I think,  be acceptable.  Various people on the
list have passed on product information that caught their attention and
that they thought would interest the group.  So if you think this guy does
a good job,  and you care to discribe what his service is that has helped
you, do him a favor and tell us (maybe he will do one for you!).

He could send you his intended e-mail. You can edit most out and use the
usful stuff to include in your message, and make it easy on yourself that
way.

He can of course find the List serve address on one of the lists of
Listserves if he is really interested.  But he better not spam us.

my opinion,
Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Re: Printer information

>Does the Guild have some kind of policy on handling vendors such as this?
> I'm hoping Leslie has the answers, but if anyone has an opinion, let me
>know.


I don't imagine the Guild has a policy as such, since this is very new
medium. If this vendor joined the list and discreetly would from time to
time make useful suggestions that happen to point to his services, I
wouldn't object. Vendors can offer informed answers to many of our
concerns. However, there is a line that could be crossed. BTW Julie Rinke
from Allen press has maintained a quite presence here on the list and has
offered many useful insights into how our work should be prepared for
optimum results. I'm sure if your printer were to get out of hand, we
wouldn't hesitate to point out the transgressions (can you say: flame?
<g>).

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Does this guy have a URL? He should put his info on the Web. Personally, I
get more mail than I can possibly sift through and the thought of
advertising coming through too makes me cringe. I'd rather he not have
access to this list. Just my opinion.

-Catherine

On Fri, 3 Jan 1997 [log in to unmask] wrote:

> My question is this.  The sales rep questioned me about the Guild and the
> list-serv. I think he is looking for groups of people to market to. I
> referred him to Leslie Becker.  I did not want to give him access to the
> List-serv, but he pressed me on it (politely).  What is yall's option?  I
> think his services could be useful to Guild members, but I don't think the
> list-serv should be an advertising forum.
> 
> Does the Guild have some kind of policy on handling vendors such as this?
>  I'm hoping Leslie has the answers, but if anyone has an opinion, let me
> know.

========================================================================
Catherine Sexton		email: [log in to unmask]

lab phone: (773)834-4499; office phone:(773)834-0028; fax:(773)702-3219

Multimedia Services Coordinator/Multimedia Services/NMLT-ATFMS
Academic Computing Services/NSIT/University of Chicago
========================================================================


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Hi	 
   Here's a question to those of you who have made web pages...  How is a
visitor counter made?  It needs a line of CGI script and a kind of image for
the numbers???
   I'm ready for some more funny stories from you people, too!
Thankey

Darcy
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Subject: Happiness

A Quote for the New Year...

"HAPPINESS. Derive happiness in oneself from a good day's work, from
illuminating the fog that surrounds us. 

--Henri Matisse
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>>Does the Guild have some kind of policy on handling vendors such as this?
>> I'm hoping Leslie has the answers, but if anyone has an opinion, let me
>>know.

I missed most of this thread but my general opinion of vendor spamming has
been that it is totally obnoxious behavior and intended to be a completely
one-way exchange.....Jaynie


Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
http://www.jlab.org  ,[log in to unmask]
Phone: 757-269-5022  FAX: 757-269-7352
Member of GNSI (Guild of Natural Science Illustrators)








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From: [log in to unmask] (Clara R. Simpson)
Subject: Apple

Happy New Year, folks.

Apple is dealing us a good one.  Are we silent because we don't know what
to say or because we think it won't affect us soon??

OK, Frank, I hate to think how smug you must feel, but haven't you or
someone said translating Postscript files from one platform to another does
not work.

-Clara

Clara R. Simpson
Dept. of Zoology
Field Museum
Chicago


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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Re: Apple

Clara,  I don't know what this thread is about please clarify : 7)

>Happy New Year, folks.
>
>Apple is dealing us a good one.  Are we silent because we don't know what
>to say or because we think it won't affect us soon??
>
>OK, Frank, I hate to think how smug you must feel, but haven't you or
>someone said translating Postscript files from one platform to another does
>not work.
>
>-Clara
>
This is not true,  You can cross platforms with Postscript files,  you just
need the right utilities to aquire them.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
[log in to unmask]


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Subject: Re: spamming

Thanks Jaynie!! Yes we concluded that vendors will not be given access to our
list-serv.  I think this vendor's services could be useful to everyone, so I
will post a brief summary of what he does,] but no spamming.

Amelia Janes
Midwest Educational Graphics
Madison, WI  
From [log in to unmask] Tue Jan  7 07:59:18 1997
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Subject: used Mac
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Hi everyone,

Does anyone have a Mac they might want to sell? I need a machine for my
personal use and would be satisfied with something between 75 ad 100mz,
like a 7200. We still have 7200/120s here at Tufts, but they are out
of my price range.

Happy New Year,

Erik Petersen 
Tufts University
Dept. of Anatomy and Cellular Biology
Boston, MA
617-636-6506


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To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: PC vs. PowerPC vs. Mac?????

To all the Computer Guru's out there in Sciart land.......

I'm on the verge (no pun intended!) of making a change with my computer setup
in my studio and am not sure how big of a change to make. It seems that most
 potential clients for computer graphics use the Mac and look the other way
when I tell them I have a PC. I'm looking for more compatibility with
prospective clients. Presently my setup consists of a 2-year-old Gateway
2000, Pentium/60 Mhz, 32Mb RAM, various software including Corel Draw 5. I
"grew up" with a PC and have that mind-set so I hesitate to change completely
over to the Mac even though I know that it is the best for graphics still. I
have someone willing to buy my system from me for non-graphics purposes.
What's the word on PowerPC's and are they all that they are cracked up to be
with jumping between PC and Mac? If so, what would a decent  system include?
I have seen "reasonable" prices on PowerMac 7200/120Mhz systems as well as
PowerMac 7600/132Mhz with plenty of extras. But then, Macintosh Performa 6400
prices are coming down as well. Does anyone have any suggestions????

Thanks,
Virge Kask
North Carolina Guildy
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At 10:01 AM 12/11/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Chris,
>I'll be glad to unsubscribe you. If you are on a different machine than the
>one you subscribed from then you'll have big trouble!I'll take care of it
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Polly -

I am not on a different machine, but my unsubscription didn't take. Could
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Cris

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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Re: PC vs. PowerPC vs. Mac?????

>To all the Computer Guru's out there in Sciart land.......
>
>I'm on the verge (no pun intended!) of making a change with my computer setup
>in my studio and am not sure how big of a change to make. It seems that most
> potential clients for computer graphics use the Mac and look the other way
>when I tell them I have a PC. I'm looking for more compatibility with
>prospective clients. Presently my setup consists of a 2-year-old Gateway
>2000, Pentium/60 Mhz, 32Mb RAM, various software including Corel Draw 5. I
>"grew up" with a PC and have that mind-set so I hesitate to change completely
>over to the Mac even though I know that it is the best for graphics still. I
>have someone willing to buy my system from me for non-graphics purposes.
>What's the word on PowerPC's and are they all that they are cracked up to be
>with jumping between PC and Mac? If so, what would a decent  system include?
>I have seen "reasonable" prices on PowerMac 7200/120Mhz systems as well as
>PowerMac 7600/132Mhz with plenty of extras. But then, Macintosh Performa 6400
>prices are coming down as well. Does anyone have any suggestions????
>
>Thanks,
>Virge Kask
>North Carolina Guildy


Virge,

If you do not need to be networked on a LAN  (but may want a modem
connection, Ddefinatly look at the Performas.  They have a 603e PowerPC
Chip  which is about 5/8 the power of a 604e chip of equivalent MHz.  A
6400/200 looks real interesting,  and I'm not feeling very friendly toward
MAC clones this season,  but there are some good prices to be had.

Compatability:  if you are using software packages that are available for
PCs and Macs, you should have no problem making the transfer.  If you have
a package that is available on the PC and can not find anything on the Mac
side to do the job,  you can use a PC emulator (SoftPC) that will make your
mac act like a PC.  A bit slow but I hear they work OK, but need a lot of
RAM (64meg).  If you need High powered PC performance, you can buy a PC on
a Card ($800-1500) and run it in your mac. There is a system from Apple
that comes Preconfigured with a PC card inside.  If you are not to
comfottable digging in the guts of your computer, that might be a good way
to go.

I have to say, I have seen nothing but problems from the Corel Files that
have come my way.  You should really consider going to Freehand or
Illustrator.  But there is Corel for the Mac now, if you dare.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
[log in to unmask]


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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: PC vs. PowerPC vs. Mac?????

>To all the Computer Guru's out there in Sciart land.......
>
>I'm on the verge (no pun intended!) of making a change with my computer setup
>in my studio and am not sure how big of a change to make. It seems that most
> potential clients for computer graphics use the Mac and look the other way
>when I tell them I have a PC. I'm looking for more compatibility with
>prospective clients. Presently my setup consists of a 2-year-old Gateway
>2000, Pentium/60 Mhz, 32Mb RAM, various software including Corel Draw 5. I
>"grew up" with a PC and have that mind-set so I hesitate to change completely
>over to the Mac even though I know that it is the best for graphics still. I
>have someone willing to buy my system from me for non-graphics purposes.
>What's the word on PowerPC's and are they all that they are cracked up to be
>with jumping between PC and Mac? If so, what would a decent  system include?
>I have seen "reasonable" prices on PowerMac 7200/120Mhz systems as well as
>PowerMac 7600/132Mhz with plenty of extras. But then, Macintosh Performa 6400
>prices are coming down as well. Does anyone have any suggestions????
>
>Thanks,
>Virge Kask
>North Carolina Guildy

Virge,
I've used both PC and Mac, and definitely prefer Mac. I think you will like
it too. Depending on what kind of work you are planning to do, you might
prefer the speed of a PowerMac so might want to consider a 7200 or 7600. I
use a 7500 at home (100 mhz) and it works well for me; an 8500 (150mhz) at
work. You might want to consider a clone (for price reasons), though I
cannot give suggestions as to which one. Check also if there is a Mac user
group near you... sometimes a dealer will offer good prices to user group
members. Also - RAM is cheap right now so get plenty! And make sure your
PowerMac comes with a 256K level-II cache card. I'm told a cache card
larger than that only provides a marginal improvement. Also condiser VRAM
needs depending on how many colors you want your monitor to display.

As for software, some programs offer competitive upgrades. For example, if
you have Quark you can get a competitive upgrade to PageMaker for about
$199 (?). I don't know if this would apply to cross platform, but it's
worth checking out.

Hope that helps.


Karen Ackoff
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Hi Virge,

I'm in the market for a new machine myself. Have you checked out
MacWarehouse? They have great prices on Mac clones by Motorola and Power
Computing. You can get into a 160mz machine for as little as $1300. There
is also a PowerUser 17" monitor in there for $500 (same configuration as
Mac 17"). I'm thinking of springing for one of these machines, but it's
still a lot of money. I also use both platforms, but am very partial to
the Mac operating system. If you're afraid of totally dumping the PC
platform, you can get a Mac Performa model that will run Windows. It's
listed in the latest MacWarehouse for around $2000, I think. Let me know
if you'd like me to check out the catalog and give you details.

Erik Petersen

On Tue, 7 Jan 1997 [log in to unmask] wrote:

> To all the Computer Guru's out there in Sciart land.......
> 
> I'm on the verge (no pun intended!) of making a change with my computer setup
> in my studio and am not sure how big of a change to make. It seems that most
>  potential clients for computer graphics use the Mac and look the other way
> when I tell them I have a PC. I'm looking for more compatibility with
> prospective clients. Presently my setup consists of a 2-year-old Gateway
> 2000, Pentium/60 Mhz, 32Mb RAM, various software including Corel Draw 5. I
> "grew up" with a PC and have that mind-set so I hesitate to change completely
> over to the Mac even though I know that it is the best for graphics still. I
> have someone willing to buy my system from me for non-graphics purposes.
> What's the word on PowerPC's and are they all that they are cracked up to be
> with jumping between PC and Mac? If so, what would a decent  system include?
> I have seen "reasonable" prices on PowerMac 7200/120Mhz systems as well as
> PowerMac 7600/132Mhz with plenty of extras. But then, Macintosh Performa 6400
> prices are coming down as well. Does anyone have any suggestions????
> 
> Thanks,
> Virge Kask
> North Carolina Guildy
> 

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>I'm in the market for a new machine myself. Have you checked out
>MacWarehouse? They have great prices on Mac clones by Motorola and Power
>Computing.ck out the catalog and give you details.
>
>Erik Petersen

________________________________

Be careful ordering from mail order catalogs. At work, we just bought an
8500 and it took 2 months to get it working. First of all the logic board
was bad. Apple replaced it free of charge, but of course this took time and
Apple was experiencing shipping problems at the time. Then, it turned out
the RAM chips were bad. And yes, MacWarehouse replaced them... but they
first sent VRAM instead of RAM and sent it to the wrong address. I strongly
suggest that you buy RAM from a reputable source - a source that tests each
chip.

All in all, my computer was down about 2 months. This put me very behind in
all my work, needless to say.

Just a word of caution.


Karen Ackoff
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:10:11 -0500

>To all the Computer Guru's out there in Sciart land.......
>
>I'm on the verge (no pun intended!) of making a change with my computer setup
>in my studio and am not sure how big of a change to make. It seems that most
> potential clients for computer graphics use the Mac and look the other way
>when I tell them I have a PC. I'm looking for more compatibility with
>prospective clients. Presently my setup consists of a 2-year-old Gateway
>2000, Pentium/60 Mhz, 32Mb RAM, various software including Corel Draw 5. I
>"grew up" with a PC and have that mind-set so I hesitate to change completely
>over to the Mac even though I know that it is the best for graphics still. I
>have someone willing to buy my system from me for non-graphics purposes.
>What's the word on PowerPC's and are they all that they are cracked up to be
>with jumping between PC and Mac? If so, what would a decent  system include?
>I have seen "reasonable" prices on PowerMac 7200/120Mhz systems as well as
>PowerMac 7600/132Mhz with plenty of extras. But then, Macintosh Performa 6400
>prices are coming down as well. Does anyone have any suggestions????
>
>Thanks,
>Virge Kask
>North Carolina Guildy

Hi Virge

After being a longtime PC user I started using a Mac at work a couple of
months ago and I can assure you that learning it is a snap. Everything
about the Mac is very intuitive, in 15 minutes I had the basics of using a
Mac and in a day I could do everything I needed to for work. However,
although it is an easy system to use and seems to be the standard for
computer graphics these days I'm keeping my PC at home. I've found some
memory allocation problems with the Mac OS that don't seem to exist with
Windows 95 and the graphics programs for the PC are quickly catching up to
the Mac. I have just ordered Macromedia's graphics suite for my PC which
includes Freehand, Extreme 3D and a couple other applications and I intend
to order Photoshop for windows as well. They should make for a powerful
combination.

It's hard to say whether PC's or Mac's will win in the computer graphics
wars and mabe another operating system will come out in the next couple of
years which will blow both Mac and Window's out of the water. But, if I
were freelancing right now I'd probably go for a Mac just because it is
still considered the standard and is used by the majority of graphic
artists (However, if you could afford to keep your Gateway as well it might
be worth it). I think the 7600 is a pretty good cpu but I would put lots
and lots of RAM in it. You might consider some of the Mac Clones which are
in MacWarehouse. They are lower priced and might be good systems but I
don't know much about them. Good luck


John Megahan
UMMZ
Ann Arbor, MI


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Erik
  I bought a Motorola Mac OS system with the PowerUser 17" monitor last
month.  It arrived pretty much on schedule after I ordered it from
MacWarehouse, and I'm pleased with the way it works.  There are a couple of
quirks I haven't figured out yet, and I don't know if its the system or me,
but it's most likely me. Customer support has been good, and if you have any
questions about this machine (StarMax 4000 200MgH), just ask.
   I upgraded from a Performa, which I really liked also.

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>Clara,  I don't know what this thread is about please clarify : 7)
>
>>Happy New Year, folks.
>>
>>Apple is dealing us a good one.  Are we silent because we don't know what
>>to say or because we think it won't affect us soon??
>>

...Well we read in the Business section of the paper last week that Apple
is not going to proceed with its current operating system, 7.xx, never mind
Copeland which would have been System 8).  They are washing their hands of
MacOS and acquiring NeXT, Steve Jobs's current project; I guess they are
also re-aquiring Steve Jobs.

I may have the second part of this screwed up, I'm not sure about the name
of Steve Jobs's company.  But it looks to me like people will not continue
to write software for the MacOS.

Sorry I wasn't more clear in the first place.  Correct me please,
anyone...is this a bad dream??

-Clara
Clara Simpson
Field Museum
Chicago


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To continue an old thread:

Over the past month or two, the people that put together the
Medical Illustrators Resource Directory have sent me a color
brochure at my work address, have called me at work, and have
called me twice at home. The same thing happened last year. I
assume that other members of GNSI have had similar experiences,
since they must be using the GNSI membership information for
contacts.

I find it interesting that we get so upset about vendors using a
newsgroup for self-promotion, but ignore other flagrant examples
of spamming.

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You can find current info on Apple's plans for its operating system at 
MacWeek's website, http://www.macweek.com.

Erica Denison

On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Clara R. Simpson wrote:

> >Clara,  I don't know what this thread is about please clarify : 7)
> >
> >>Happy New Year, folks.
> >>
> >>Apple is dealing us a good one.  Are we silent because we don't know what
> >>to say or because we think it won't affect us soon??
> >>
> 
> ...Well we read in the Business section of the paper last week that Apple
> is not going to proceed with its current operating system, 7.xx, never mind
> Copeland which would have been System 8).  They are washing their hands of
> MacOS and acquiring NeXT, Steve Jobs's current project; I guess they are
> also re-aquiring Steve Jobs.
> 
> I may have the second part of this screwed up, I'm not sure about the name
> of Steve Jobs's company.  But it looks to me like people will not continue
> to write software for the MacOS.
> 
> Sorry I wasn't more clear in the first place.  Correct me please,
> anyone...is this a bad dream??
> 
> -Clara
> Clara Simpson
> Field Museum
> Chicago
> 
> 
> 
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>Compatability:  if you are using software packages that are available for
>PCs and Macs, you should have no problem making the transfer.  If you have
>a package that is available on the PC and can not find anything on the Mac
>side to do the job,  you can use a PC emulator (SoftPC) that will make your
>mac act like a PC.

I tried SoftWindows95 on my powermac 8500......it works beautifully as a PC
emulator but I still couldn't get an Illustrator 4/PC file to transfer and open
within my mac Illlustrator 6.0........  in other words, an Illus file on a
pc will not
open in Illus on a mac.  Jaynie


Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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Clara....

here is the information regarding the new Mac OS - it sounds like a good thing
not a bad dream - we'll all be able to run Photoshop, Illustrator, Swofford's
PAUP etc. It is meant to be a new industrial OS that is stable, multithreaded,
symmetric multiprocessing, and believe it or not will sit not just on power pc
risc chips but intel x86 and pentium chips. It looks like they want it to be
the OS for the masses. Anywhoooo here is the skinny....

Monday January 6 6:21 PM EDT
Exclusive: Apple's OS Plan Unveiled First Concrete Details of the New
Mac OS Strategy


SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 6 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Macworld Expo tomorrow,
Apple Computer Inc will finally unveil its new Mac Operating System
strategy based on the December 20 acquisition of Next, Inc., and its
NextStep/OpenStep OS. Macworld Magazine has learned the details of that
strategy, which it published today on its Macworld Daily news service on
Macworld Online (www.macworld.com).

Parallel OSs

Apple will develop and ship both the current Mac OS (System 7) and the
new Mac OS 8 in parallel. Apple will deliver four more releases of
System 7:

* System 7.6, code-named Harmony, is a minor upgrade to the current
System 7.5 and will ship by the end of this month.

* In July, Apple plans to ship Tempo, which will probably be called
System 7.7. That OS will include the first fully PowerPC-native Finder,
the Java Virtual Machine for Macintosh to run Java programs, support for
multithreading in the Finder, and a more 3-D-looking interface. Apple
CEO Gil Amelio plans to demonstrate Tempo at his keynote speech at the
Macworld Expo on Tuesday.

* In early 1998, Apple will ship the Allegra update to System 7,
probably calling it System 7.8.

* And in mid-1998, Apple expects to release the Sonata update to System
7, probably calling it System 7.9

Meanwhile, Apple will also be developing the Next-based Mac OS, which
has the code name Rhapsody. Apple expects to offer developers the first
version of Rhapsody in the third quarter of this year, with the first
general release to the public around January 1998, and the first release
that is Mac-program compatible in mid- toeps the public.

The Game Plan for the Next OS

Apple plans on developing a compatibility box for the Next-based OS that
will let it run most System 7 programs. The so-called Blue Box is not
hardware but a Window within the OS in which any System 7 program that
doesn't communicate directly with the hardware should run. The programs
would include system extensions and control panels, but not drivers and
some utilities that do work directly with the hardware. This level of
compatibility is more than was planned for Apple's original Mac OS 8
effort, known as Copland. That OS would not have run extensions and
control panels.

According to Macworld's sources, the Blue Box will be bug-for-bug
compatible with System 7, so programs patched to work around bugs in the
current OS will not need to be modified to run in the Blue Box
compatibility window. That also means that technologies such as
QuickDraw 3D, QuickTime, OpenDoc, QuickDraw GX, and the DayStar
multiprocessing API will be supported in the Blue Box environment. The
Blue Box will not be a Mac emulator but the actual System 7 OS running
on the new Mac OS microkernel, the part of the OS that manages the
hardware and basic system operations.

But the new Mac OS is the Yellow Box, or in other words, the Mac OS 8 to
be based on the recently acquired NextStep OS's OpenStep version. Unlike
Copland, Yellow Box will be fully preemptive, multithreaded, and have
full memory protection. This means that programs can work in parallel
without causing each other to crash if something goes wrong. It also
means that users should be able to run several tasks in parallel, such
as faxing while printing, or doing a database sort while reading e-mail.
Under the Copland plan that Apple killed in August, only some parts of
Mac OS 8 would have these capabilities. Rhapsody's Yellow Box will also
support fully symmetrical multiprocessing, in which any available CPU
can run any program or program thread. System 7's multiprocessing
architecture reserves one CPU as the traffic cop, which divides the
tasks of only programs specifically written for multiprocessing among
the available CPUs. The primary CPU is less available for task sharing
because of its role as traffic cop.

Apple plans to rework the NextStep OS's interface so it is Mac-like.
While Apple will adopt some NextStep conventions, the company is
convinced that the Mac OS's human interface is the best available and
wants to ensure that this approach is maintained. Within the Next-based
OS, Apple will hide the remnants of its Unix command-line interface.

Like the abortive Copland effort, the Next-based Mac OS, in the Yellow
Box window, will support multiple looks. Thus, you will be able to
customize the interface's visual appearance and how some of its features
operate, such as preventing network access for some users.

Programs running in the Blue Box will be able to share some data with
programs running in the Yellow Box, and vice versa. According to
Macworld's sources, programs in the two environments can share data via
Apple events (Apple's OS-based messaging technology) and via copy and
paste. However, direct interapplication communications probably won't be
allowed, so the two environments can't cause each other to crash if
something goes wrong in one of the boxes. Not yet clear is how users and
programs will be able to deal with files created by programs running in
the two environments. While the hope is to let both Yellow Box and Blue
Box programs access each other's drives and folders, it is too early in
the Rhapsody development effort for Apple to know whether, or how, it
can accomplish that goal, at least in the 1998 releases.

System Hardware Compatibility

Under Apple's new OS plan, Rhapsody will work on all currently shipping
PowerPC-based Macs from Apple and the licensed Apple clone makers
(DayStar Digital, Motorola Computer Group, Power Computing, Umax
Computer, and, in Japan, Pioneer Electronics) and their sublicensees.
Apple has also committed to supporting all future Macs, including
systems based on the Common Hardware Reference Platform architecture
developed by IBM, Motorola. Apple says the CHRP design should become
available to licensees later this year and will spur the interest of
even more Mac clone makers.

Apple is exploring support for previous Power Macs, such as those using
the NuBus peripheral bus, but is making no commitments, Macworld's
sources say.

Apple will continue to support and sell the Intel x86 and Sun Sparc
versions of the NextStep OS, but its main focus will be on the Macintosh
development.

Macworld magazine is published by Macworld Communications, Inc. (MCI), a
business unit of International Data Group (IDG), the world's leading IT
media and research company. MCI, the world's largest Macintosh buyer
resource, has a diverse product line of integrated media including 28
local-language Macworld editions around the world, domestic and
international Macworld Expos, Macworld Online (www.macworld.com),
reference books, CD-ROMs and international market research. IDG
publishes more than 275 computer magazines and newspapers and 430 book
titles, produces 90 expositions, and provides IT market analysis through
41 research centers worldwide. Company information and access to more
than 125 IDG World Wide Web sites is available at http://www.idg.com.
SOURCE Macworld Communications Inc.

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     >Over the past month or two, the people that put together the
     Medical Illustrators Resource Directory have sent me a color
     brochure at my work address, have called me at work, and have
     called me twice at home. The same thing happened last year. I
     assume that other members of GNSI have had similar experiences,
     since they must be using the GNSI membership information for
     contacts.
     ---------------------------------------------
     
     Yes David they called me too! and you know what day of the year they 
     picked up to do so? THE BOXING DAY! and where? AT WORK!....It just 
     happened that on the Boxing Day I was visiting the ROM museum with my 
     two kids. I popped upstairs in my office only for a few minutes, and 
     here they were...(lurking in the telephone lines I could say) wanting 
     to talk to me business at length - (very aggressive marketing tactics 
     isn't it?) No need to say how upset I was for the rest of that 
     afternoon, especially when I already mentioned to them last year (on 
     NEW YEAR'S DAY!)that I was extremely disappointed with their previous 
     job done on my Sept 1995 Medical Illustrators Resource Directory 
     page...
     
     Is anyone here subscribing to this listserv who would "officially" 
     call this people (Serbin Communications) and tell them to stop this 
     kind of what I would call "aggravating spamming procedures"? 
     THANKS!
     
     
     Emil Huston
     Royal Ontario Museum
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>To continue an old thread:
>
>Over the past month or two, the people that put together the
>Medical Illustrators Resource Directory have sent me a color
>brochure at my work address, have called me at work, and have
>called me twice at home. The same thing happened last year. I
>assume that other members of GNSI have had similar experiences,
>since they must be using the GNSI membership information for
>contacts.
>
>I find it interesting that we get so upset about vendors using a
>newsgroup for self-promotion, but ignore other flagrant examples
>of spamming.
>
>David S. Goodsell
>
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David and other sciart list members,

        You  received information (and phone contacts) from Serbin
Communications, publishers of the AMI Source Book with the absolute
permission of GNSI President, Gloria Nusse and Marlene Donnelly, Science
Insights President.  Permission was given to use the GNSI directory so
members would have the opportunity to advertise since Science Insights is
not being published this year.  The GNSI and AMI officers have been working
hard to correct the admitted mistakes that occurred during the previous
Source Book publication, of which GNSI was a part.  To make a flagrant
statement calling the current offer from the AMI and Serbin being
"spamming" is certainly not going to help the "healing" of past hard
feelings and misunderstandings.  Your statement is actually more of a
"flame" against the AMI and I'm sorry you feel the way you do.  Before you
present anymore misinformation to this list please check your facts with
GNSI officers.
        At writing this, I'm very sorry if I sound upset but I guess I am.
There are many joint AMI/GNSI members and the groups have a lot to offer
each other, but both sides need to be willing. Being a member of both
groups, I for one am willing.

John Nyquist
GNSI member since 1976 and
Chairman of the Board, AMI


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According to the Wall Street Journal, Apple is going to
merge the Next operating system (an adaptation of Unix) with Copland to
produce System 8. According to what I read, they ran into trouble with
Copland and think the Next OS will somehow fill the gaps. Maybe Steve Jobs
will be able revive the company he once started. Hope so.

Erik Petersen

> 
> ...Well we read in the Business section of the paper last week that Apple
> is not going to proceed with its current operating system, 7.xx, never mind
> Copeland which would have been System 8).  They are washing their hands of
> MacOS and acquiring NeXT, Steve Jobs's current project; I guess they are
> also re-aquiring Steve Jobs.
> 
> I may have the second part of this screwed up, I'm not sure about the name
> of Steve Jobs's company.  But it looks to me like people will not continue
> to write software for the MacOS.
> 
> Sorry I wasn't more clear in the first place.  Correct me please,
> anyone...is this a bad dream??
> 
> -Clara
> Clara Simpson
> Field Museum
> Chicago
> 
> 
> 

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>>To all the Computer Guru's out there in Sciart land.......
>>
>>I'm on the verge (no pun intended!) of making a change with my computer setup
>>in my studio and am not sure how big of a change to make. It seems that most
>> potential clients for computer graphics use the Mac and look the other way
>>when I tell them I have a PC.
>>Thanks,
>>Virge Kask
>>North Carolina Guildy

Hi Virge

Virge,

If you want to keep your PC, Buy Feehand 7, and Photoshop 4, and a utility
to read and write Mac disks, and a Zip drive for the PC.  Then you may not
even have to tell them you have a PC!

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>Erik
>  I bought a Motorola Mac OS system with the PowerUser 17" monitor last
>month.  It arrived pretty much on schedule after I ordered it from
>MacWarehouse, and I'm pleased with the way it works.  There are a couple of
>quirks I haven't figured out yet, and I don't know if its the system or me,
>but it's most likely me. Customer support has been good, and if you have any
>questions about this machine (StarMax 4000 200MgH), just ask.
>   I upgraded from a Performa, which I really liked also.

Darcy,

I am interested in any problems you are having with the StarMax 4000
200MHz.  At a $1000 less than a Mac 9500/200 it is very attractive if you
don't need more than 160Mb of Ram.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>...Well we read in the Business section of the paper last week that Apple
>is not going to proceed with its current operating system, 7.xx, never mind
>Copeland which would have been System 8).  They are washing their hands of
>MacOS and acquiring NeXT, Steve Jobs's current project; I guess they are
>also re-aquiring Steve Jobs.
>
>I may have the second part of this screwed up, I'm not sure about the name
>of Steve Jobs's company.  But it looks to me like people will not continue
>to write software for the MacOS.
>
>Sorry I wasn't more clear in the first place.  Correct me please,
>anyone...is this a bad dream??
>
>-Clara
>Clara Simpson
>Field Museum
>Chicago


Clara,
 You are correct that they have hired Steve Jobs back.  One can assume that
they will also be using the Technology developed by NEXT as part of their
next operating system,  unless something developes with Be, Inc.  I think
you are premature in assuming the Mac is dead meat.  I think they have
about 3 years to turn things around.  And as with the last big change to
Power PCs, I expect they will have some option to run older software on a
new operating system.  I also expect they will be able to run this new OS
on the PowerPC's we are buying now.  If Be, Inc. can do it,  I'm sure Steve
Jobs can.  So don't dispare, yet.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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This is not a bad dream. I've been following the story (I was in the SF
area when it broke and have friends involved - I didn't get the scoop from
them, just what the papers and tv have said).

Apple has bought NeXT (Steve Jobs software company) for 400million. Steve
Jobs will join Apple as a part time advisor. Jobs will continue to work at
his other company, Pixar - the company that produced "Toy Story."

There will be and update to the MacOS 7.x coming out this month [Jan. 1997]
called Harmony, and another later this year, around 1 July.

By the end of 1997 NeXT and Apple are supposed to have a NEW operating
system for the new Macs. It is supposed to be near 100% compatible with the
the old software in this first version, and will for the forseable future
compatible with the old Macs too.

Beyond that, it'll depend on what Apple needs to do.

Gil Amelio, CEO of Apple, spoke Tuesday (7 Jan) at MacWorld Expo in San
Francisco, though I don't know what he said yet (try
http://www.sjmercury.com if you want that info - it's the San Jose Mercury
News - which is the paper to Silicon Valley).

Since system 8 (code named Copeland) was supposed to be out three years
ago, and was NOT going to be 100% back-compatible, I suspect that in the
long run this is a "good" dream.

>
>...Well we read in the Business section of the paper last week that Apple
>is not going to proceed with its current operating system, 7.xx, never mind
>Copeland which would have been System 8).  They are washing their hands of
>MacOS and acquiring NeXT, Steve Jobs's current project; I guess they are
>also re-aquiring Steve Jobs.
>
>I may have the second part of this screwed up, I'm not sure about the name
>of Steve Jobs's company.  But it looks to me like people will not continue
>to write software for the MacOS.
>
>Sorry I wasn't more clear in the first place.  Correct me please,
>anyone...is this a bad dream??
>
>-Clara
>Clara Simpson
>Field Museum
>Chicago


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>To continue an old thread:
>
>Over the past month or two, the people that put together the
>Medical Illustrators Resource Directory have sent me a color
>brochure at my work address, have called me at work, and have
>called me twice at home. The same thing happened last year. I
>assume that other members of GNSI have had similar experiences,
>since they must be using the GNSI membership information for
>contacts.
>
>I find it interesting that we get so upset about vendors using a
>newsgroup for self-promotion, but ignore other flagrant examples
>of spamming.
>
>David S. Goodsell
>
At the risk of sturing up a hornets nest,

I find David's point interesting food for though,  but I think the venue is
the reason I do not feel the same way.

The listserve is chartered as a help group, not an advertising venue,  and
since those people with modems are paying to receive it,  they don't want
to spend time and money dealing with it from that source.

At home on the otherhand, the adveriser is spending thier money to reach
you.   The junk mail goes in the recycle bag unopened if it is of no
interest.  And a firm "not interested" to the Source Book solicitor will
turn them off as well.   It is not so easy to turn off Junk E-mail without
removing yourself from the Listserve (and the "Font of Knowledge" it
supplies)

Another Opinion ;>)

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Britt Griswold wrote:
> 
>worked on a LAN  (but may want a modem
> connection, Ddefinatly look at the Performas.  They have a 603e PowerPC
> Chip  which is about 5/8 the power of a 604e chip of equivalent MHz.  A
> 6400/200 looks real interesting,  and I'm not feeling very friendly toward
> MAC clones this season,  but there are some good prices to be had.
> 
>

Britt - Why aren't you feeling friendly toward Mac clones this season?

Cindy
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> 
> To all the Computer Guru's out there in Sciart land.......
> 
> I'm on the verge (no pun intended!) of making a change with my computer setup
> in my studio and am not sure how big of a change to make. It seems that most
>  potential clients for computer graphics use the Mac and look the other way
> when I tell them I have a PC. I'm looking for more compatibility with
> prospective clients. Presently my setup consists of a 2-year-old Gateway
> 2000, Pentium/60 Mhz, 32Mb RAM, various software including Corel Draw 5. I
> "grew up" with a PC and have that mind-set so I hesitate to change completely
> over to the Mac even though I know that it is the best for graphics still. I
> have someone willing to buy my system from me for non-graphics purposes.
> What's the word on PowerPC's and are they all that they are cracked up to be
> with jumping between PC and Mac? If so, what would a decent  system include?
> I have seen "reasonable" prices on PowerMac 7200/120Mhz systems as well as
> PowerMac 7600/132Mhz with plenty of extras. But then, Macintosh Performa 6400
> prices are coming down as well. Does anyone have any suggestions????
> 
> Thanks,
> Virge Kask
> North Carolina Guildy



Virge - I got my Power Computing Power Tower Pro 180, a 9500 Mac 
clone, from MacZone several months ago. I'm very pleased with the 
unit, as well as with the service from MacZone. If you want more 
information, let me know. Good luck!

Cindy
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To fellow GNSI members:

I sent a reply to the list but it apparently was screened and not passed
on.  You need to know that permission for Serbin Communications, publishers
of the AMI Source Book, to contact GNSI members was given by GNSI President
Gloria Nusse and Science Insights President Marlene Donelly.  The AMI asked
their permission to do so.  Since so much went wrong with the previous
Source Book that included GNSI pages (admittedly the fault of the AMI), and
GNSI decided to not join the Source Book as a group again, this was a way
to allow individual members advertise in the book if they so desired.

Much work has gone into successfully solving lingering hard feelings
between the AMI and GNSI of which there are many common members.  Remarks
like David Goodsell's are dangerous not only because they fester what has
been healing but out and out insult a sister organization, the AMI.

The Source Book has been successful because of Serbins strong marketing
techniques.  You have the choice to say no to them.  But before you start
with the accusations I would suggest checking with your GNSI leadership and
what they had hoped to do on your behalf.

Come on guys, I have been a member of the GNSI since 1976.  Currently I am
also Chairman of the Board of the AMI.  I have made it a mission this year
to resolve the lingering bad feeling between two wonderful organizations
which should and can be of great benefit to one another.  If all you want
to do is insult the efforts of our leadership, I'm afraid the work will all
be for nothing.

John Nyquist


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>I tried SoftWindows95 on my powermac 8500......it works beautifully as a PC
>emulator but I still couldn't get an Illustrator 4/PC file to transfer and open
>within my mac Illlustrator 6.0........  in other words, an Illus file on a
>pc will not open in Illus on a mac.  Jaynie

I'm sure there is a way around this problem.  Are you saying that the
SoftWindows is the problem or that that Illustrstor 6 is the problem?

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>>I tried SoftWindows95 on my powermac 8500......it works beautifully as a PC
>>emulator but I still couldn't get an Illustrator 4/PC file to transfer and
>>open
>>within my mac Illlustrator 6.0........  in other words, an Illus file on a
>>pc will not open in Illus on a mac.  Jaynie
>
>I'm sure there is a way around this problem.  Are you saying that the
>SoftWindows is the problem or that that Illustrstor 6 is the problem?

 I am saying that there is a mac to pc transfer problem
within Illustrator on both platforms.  If you can find a workaround I
would be almost infinitely grateful Britt!! : )   Jaynie


Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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>Come on guys, I have been a member of the GNSI since 1976.  Currently I am
>also Chairman of the Board of the AMI.  I have made it a mission this year
>to resolve the lingering bad feeling between two wonderful organizations
>which should and can be of great benefit to one another.  If all you want
>to do is insult the efforts of our leadership, I'm afraid the work will all
>be for nothing.
>
>John Nyquist
-------------
John,

I think David was expressing the general feeling people have when they get
solicitations by phone.  I don't think it is just a Serbin thing.

I would also reiterate that we have been cooperating with Serbin and the
AMI as a way of offering advertising opportunities to GNSI Members.  Not
all Members are solicited by Phone,  only those we attempt to Identify as
potential Freelance (a combination of GNSI Membership length and a notation
on the freelance status supplied by you, the GNSI member).


I would urge all who are not interested in the opportunity to give the
solicitors one big, firm, but friendly NO.  If they persist, use Serbin's 1
800 876-6425 to complain, on their dime.

For all those who need Tearsheets to give away, and some exposure to
customers, Call the same number.  GNSI/ Science Insights is providing a
mailing of Tearsheets (from Serbin at no expense) to the Science Insights
Mailing List, if 30 or more GNSI members participate in the Science Section
of the AMI book. While Science Insights is looking to other advertising
opportunities for GNSI Members,  we do not expect to do anything this year,
so we saw no reason not to facilitate members who are looking for an
advertising vehicle now.

Enough, Enough,  Not another word will pass my lips unless specifically
asked about it.


Britt

Britt Griswold
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Can anybody out there suggest a resource for learning how to manipulate
greyscale images in Photoshop for output on a postscript laser printer
(600 dpi)? I am scanning a bunch of shaded pencil drawings on an HP 4c
flatbed scanner. The scans are fine but the output sucks. I can improve
the images with photoshop but I really don't know what I am doing and the
photoshop manual doesn't address the issue. I have seen examples of
greyscale images printed on 600 dpi printers that look great, so it seems
that it can be done. Thank you for your help with my beginners questions.



Dan Layne
USC School Of Medicine, Multidiscipline Labs
Phone: (213) 342-1119
E-mail: [log in to unmask]

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>Britt - Why aren't you feeling friendly toward Mac clones this season?
>
>Cindy

1. We have 2 Daystar Genisis MPs-4 processors  We are experiencing freezes
and type 11 bombs when the MP software is on.

2. Everyone I have talk to says that if they order Power Computing Clone
directly from the factory it takes many months to deliver. Some have
canceled their order and bought Apple because of the wait.  But I expect
they are feeding their Mail Order outlets as a first priority, so you may
get a machine quickly by that route.

3.  The Clone hardware is different and it is a chore to keep up to date on
what hardware add-ons will be installable on which clone.  This is a
problem only for the minority of us who oversee numerous machines.

I expect the single processor Clones are fine.  It's just hard to keep
track and compare so many features that determine a machines price, to see
if you are forgeting something that is important to your purchase, like Max
RAM, Video requirements, PCI Card options, etc.   It makes getting a system
more like buying a PC, not fun.

But you do get the pleasure of using a nice interface and sophisticated
software when it comes!

And when I see basic Specs for powerful Apple machines costing $1000 more
than a clone, I wonder what am I not getting in the clone.
Then Again, the small differences in specs I do see make me wonder why I
would want to by Apple if I do have a good handle on my needs.

Right now Power Computing seems to have the Speed Race won, even on
machines that have the same processor,  but who knows?


Britt


Britt Griswold
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USA
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Thanks to everyone who responded with information to  my dilemma. All was
received with great appreciation..... I have some thinking to do!

Virge
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>>Come on guys,....

John:  We appreciate your efforts.

Britt, I can't add anything to what you said except <ditto>.  Serbin has
done a good job of explaining themselves, they were nice to me on the
phone.  And, folks, there is no other venue offered this year.  BTW, down
here in the States most people don't even know about Boxing Day...kind of
like our Thanksgiving, which is not celebrated elsewhere...

A word of caution, everyone.  Although it seems like a virtual Guild
meeting here in cyberspace it is not...at least as far as politics go.
There are non-members here - all are welcome - and not all Guild Board and
Science Insights Board members are hooked up.  If you have a beef with the
Guild Board or the Science Insights Board this is not the place for it.
They can't all hear you. ... Of course this is not a fair and equal
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no longer on the Board-
Clara Simpson
Field Museum


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>>>I tried SoftWindows95 on my powermac 8500......it works beautifully as a PC
>>>emulator but I still couldn't get an Illustrator 4/PC file to transfer and
>>>open
>>>within my mac Illlustrator 6.0........  in other words, an Illus file on a
>>>pc will not open in Illus on a mac.  Jaynie
>>
>>I'm sure there is a way around this problem.  Are you saying that the
>>SoftWindows is the problem or that that Illustrstor 6 is the problem?
>
> I am saying that there is a mac to pc transfer problem
>within Illustrator on both platforms.  If you can find a workaround I
>would be almost infinitely grateful Britt!! : )   Jaynie
>
>
Jaynie,

Save your Illustrator 4 PC file as an EPS file.  Then try to open it in
Illustrator 6.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>Can anybody out there suggest a resource for learning how to manipulate
>greyscale images in Photoshop for output on a postscript laser printer
>(600 dpi)? I am scanning a bunch of shaded pencil drawings on an HP 4c
>flatbed scanner. The scans are fine but the output sucks.

Can you be more specific about the qualities you want to preserve in your
drawings?  And what is bad about what you are getting out of your laser
printer now.

Laser Printers have limited tonal gradations and may have more contrast to
deal with.

Britt Griswold
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>Can anybody out there suggest a resource for learning how to manipulate
>greyscale images in Photoshop for output on a postscript laser printer
>(600 dpi)?

Hi Dan.....can you give me a fax number?  I will be happy to fax you an
article on this subject.....2 pages.   Jaynie




Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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so Pixar is Steve Jobs is Toy Story...I should have realized Steve Jobs
thinks in pictures!

-Clara


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Jaynie,

Could I impose upon you to fax it to me too? Or to point me toward the
article? Was it in a publication I might be able to get my hands on?

Thanks,
Catherine

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Jaynie Martz wrote:

> >Can anybody out there suggest a resource for learning how to manipulate
> >greyscale images in Photoshop for output on a postscript laser printer
> >(600 dpi)?
> 
> Hi Dan.....can you give me a fax number?  I will be happy to fax you an
> article on this subject.....2 pages.   Jaynie

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>>Can anybody out there suggest a resource for learning how to manipulate
>>greyscale images in Photoshop for output on a postscript laser printer
>>(600 dpi)?
>
>Hi Dan.....can you give me a fax number?  I will be happy to fax you an
>article on this subject.....2 pages.   Jaynie
>

Jaynie,

Can you sight the source of that article for us?

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
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Hi Folks,
 This is the last call for the 1997 GNSI Members exhibit. The slides must be 
postmarked by January 31,1997. Judging will take place the last two weeks 
of February and the letters of acceptance will go out the first week of 
March.
 The Members exhibit will be held at the Art & History Museum in downtown 
Santa Cruz. The exhibit will start June 28th and go through August at 
least, maybe into September. I'm hoping it will generate a great deal of 
interest amongst the general public as well as the University folk. 
Shipping and framing information will go out with the letters of 
acceptance. I'm still working out details with the Museum.
 So if you have any questions, lost the entry form, didn't join the Guild 
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Dan Layne wrote:
> 
>Can anybody out there suggest a resource for learning how to 
>manipulate greyscale images in Photoshop for output on a postscript 
>laser printer (600 dpi)? I am scanning a bunch of shaded pencil 
>drawings on an HP 4c flatbed scanner. The scans are fine but the 
>output sucks. I can improve the images with photoshop but I really 
>don't know what I am doing and the photoshop manual doesn't address 
>the issue. I have seen examples of greyscale images printed on 600 
>dpi printers that look great, so it seems that it can be done. Thank 
>you for your help with my beginners questions.
> 
> Dan Layne
> USC School Of Medicine, Multidiscipline Labs
> Phone: (213) 342-1119
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I don't do anything different when preparing b&w photos for output from
high-end printers or from a 600 dpi laserprinter (except when choosing
the specific printer and lpi screen). I generally do the following...
1. After scanning, I crop the image.
2. Go to IMAGE>ADJUST>CURVES. Double-click on the black eyedropper and
make sure that the value for K = 95%. Double-click on the white
eyedropper and make sure the value for K = 3%. All other values - for C,
M, and Y should be 0. Then set your black and white points. To set the
black point, first make sure your info window is open. Then click ONCE
on the black eyedropper. Now move the eyedropper over the photo and find
the darkest value - as close to 100% as possible. Click once. You may
notice the graph in the curves dialog box changes slightly. Now click
once on the white eyedropper and then move the eyedropper over the image
to find the lightest value - as close to 0% as possible. Click once when
you find it. This assures that your lightest value has a slight tone,
and your darkest value is not so dark as to have the dots bleed
together. NEXT - I grab the curve at about the midpoint and pull it (up
or down) to lighten the image. In general, laserprinters darken the
image... you will need to determine how much by trial and error. You can
save your settings, which means once you find the ideal adjustment, you
can just load them each time. The Photoshop manual has more on this.
3. Next, make sure you have no other calibration software clouding the
issue. (I had EFI-COLOR running in Quark and it gave me very skewed
results - when printing from Quark, that is). 
4. Make sure you have the correct printer selected under Page Setup.
5. Choose an appropriate value for your screen - I don't recall what the
default value is for a 600 dpi printer, but I get pretty good results
with 100 dpi. 

You may also need to calibrate your scanner - contact the manufacturer
for calibration software.

That should do it. Hope that helps.

Karen Ackoff
Smithsonian Institution
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Not wanting to "spam" - 
Would an announcement for a summer workshop, co-sponsored by the GNSI
and the Humboldt Institute (formerly Eagle Hill Field Research Station)
be appropriate for this board?

Karen Ackoff
Scientific Illustrator
Smithsonian Institution
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Hello All,

I have a small online illustration job for your perusal. The online
version of my department's "Resource Guide" just won Best of Show in the
Society for Technical Communication online competition (Chicago Chapter).
I only had a very tiny contribution to this huge project - I just did the
fun part - the illustrations :)

If you're interested, the URL is:

http://www.uchicago.edu/a.resource-guide/index.html

-Catherine
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Boxing Day originated in Britain, and occurred the first weekday after 
Christmas (not thanksgiving). It is when presents (boxes) were given 
to employees and people performing services to the household.

British and Canadian friends I know also exchange presents on this day 
with non-relative friends -- but this custom may vary widely in 
Canada.

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"...output sucks." Hey -- such hi-tech lingo. Are you having problems 
with resolution, greyscale length (contrast), or greyscale shift (high 
vs.low key)? 

Low-end printers produce halftones with either longer greyscales, OR 
higher halftone screen resolutions (halftone dots per inch) -- but 
illustrators will discover that they frequently can't have both 
qualities, to their satisfaction, using such printers.

Theoretically, reducing the default printer screen resolution should 
increase tonal range. Conversely, shortening the tonal range will 
allow using a finer halftone screen to preserve detail. Our 600 lpi 
printer normally prints at 85 lpi (about the same as the average 
newspaper). On the other hand, our imagesetter prints to film within a 
useful range of 126 - 150 lpi (closer to magazine reproduction).

Calibrating your equipment may help establish useful benchmarks. Scan 
an offset printer's (or photographer's) 14-step greyscale. Print that 
file to your laser printer, then compare that output to the original 
scale. (Have the same file printed to a hi-res imagesetter just for 
kicks to see what you're missing).

You can adjust picture scale using "adjust levels" in Photoshop.Scans 
generally look darker when printed than when seen on screen. Adjusting 
the mid-point (generally 1.40 - 1.80) can help the most. You will also 
want to move the other two adjustment arrows so that they just come up 
to the "toe" of each respective end of the curve as needed.

Alternatively, take what you learned from these experiments and try 
retouching your art to compensate.

Norm Frisch
GNSI Newsletter editor
350 New Campus Drive
SUNY College at Brockport
Brockport, NY 14420-2931

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>Can you sight the source of that article for us?

MACWORLD May96 : A guide to getting great line art. Steve Roth




Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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Mureen...yes I'm interested in submitting but the maxium size seems to be
limiting....How tight are the restrictions on 16x20?...how about 19x21? or
something along those lines?
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>Not wanting to "spam" -
>Would an announcement for a summer workshop, co-sponsored by the GNSI
>and the Humboldt Institute (formerly Eagle Hill Field Research Station)
>be appropriate for this board?
>
>Karen Ackoff

Sure,

Are you going to be doing any of the teaching.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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I declined the Serbin Medical Ill. book this year in favor of a page in their
Graphic Artists Guild Directory. Any body else going that direction?
--Paul Mirocha
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>If you're interested, the URL is:
>
>http://www.uchicago.edu/a.resource-guide/index.html


of course we're interested!!  Love the intro art......interesting
reflectivity in the architectural lighting!! Good going Catherine.....
congrats on the Best in Show!!   Jaynie


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Whoa, thanks Karen.  I had taken a course in digital photographic imaging 
techniques
at the Corcoran and they taught something similar.  However, I couldn't for 
the life of
me remember the exact sequence and your method sounds like a winner.
I can't wait to try it.

I also like to work with adjusting LEVELS since you get a lot of control over 
highlights,
shadows and midranges. 


Karen Ackoff <[log in to unmask]> Wrote:

| I don't do anything different when preparing b&w photos for output from
| high-end printers or from a 600 dpi laserprinter (except when choosing
| the specific printer and lpi screen). I generally do the following...
| 1. After scanning, I crop the image.
| 2. Go to IMAGE>ADJUST>CURVES. Double-click on the black eyedropper and
| make sure that the value for K = 95%. Double-click on the white
| eyedropper and make sure the value for K = 3%. All other values - for C,
| M, and Y should be 0. Then set your black and white points. To set the
| black point, first make sure your info window is open. Then click ONCE
| on the black eyedropper. Now move the eyedropper over the photo and find
| the darkest value - as close to 100% as possible. Click once. You may
| notice the graph in the curves dialog box changes slightly. Now click
| once on the white eyedropper and then move the eyedropper over the image
| to find the lightest value - as close to 0% as possible. Click once when
| you find it. This assures that your lightest value has a slight tone,
| and your darkest value is not so dark as to have the dots bleed
| together. NEXT - I grab the curve at about the midpoint and pull it (up
| or down) to lighten the image. In general, laserprinters darken the
| image... you will need to determine how much by trial and error. You can
| save your settings, which means once you find the ideal adjustment, you
| can just load them each time. The Photoshop manual has more on this.
| 3. Next, make sure you have no other calibration software clouding the
| issue. (I had EFI-COLOR running in Quark and it gave me very skewed
| results - when printing from Quark, that is). 
| 4. Make sure you have the correct printer selected under Page Setup.
| 5. Choose an appropriate value for your screen - I don't recall what the
| default value is for a 600 dpi printer, but I get pretty good results
| with 100 dpi. 
| 
| You may also need to calibrate your scanner - contact the manufacturer
| for calibration software.
| 
| That should do it. Hope that helps.
| 
| Karen Ackoff
| Smithsonian Institution
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| 




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Subject: Silly fun

This a little of the listserve fair, but I wanted to get some opinions on
if this would be a good activitiy at the next illustrators conference (and
maybe crow a little):

Goddard Space Flight Center held an egg droping conteston Jan 9th (save the
egg from annialation in a 16ft drop). 12 teams were formed, each team
received an envelope of office supplies to use (with no foreknowledge of
the contents)  and 45min. to invent an egg protection device. Cost (
materials types and quantites were scored, lower is better) +  decent
timex20 = score.  Lowest score wins if the egg is still intact.
Our team of artists beat all the engineers.  We have the lowest score!!!!!

It seems like a great problem solving activity for science artists, who
need to use both sides of the brain anyway in their job!  Maybe we can
convince the organizers in California to offer this as an evening's
entertainment.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Go ARTISTS!

Your events sound like the kind of "events" they have at a Microsoft
picnic... Time magazine just ran an article on B. Gates including just that
kind of problem solving olympics!

We do a lot more problem solving in figuring out our art projects than some
of us realize!

Sounds like fun  |:-)
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>>Not wanting to "spam" -
>>Would an announcement for a summer workshop, co-sponsored by the GNSI
>>and the Humboldt Institute (formerly Eagle Hill Field Research Station)
>>be appropriate for this board?
>>
>>Karen Ackoff
>
>Sure,
>
>Are you going to be doing any of the teaching.
>
>Britt
>
>Britt Griswold
>Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
>Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
>Greenbelt, MD 20771
>USA
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___________________________________REPLY________________________________

No - Scott Rawlins, Professor at Beaver College, will be teaching. Will
post more information shortly.

Karen Ackoff
Scientific Illustrator
Smithsonian Institution
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Beyond Rendering: Master Class in Scientific Illustration
Taught by Scott Rawlins
Co-sponsored by the Humboldt Institute (formerly Eagle Hill Field Research
Station) and the GNSI

   In the course of this workshop, participants will proceed from field
sketches to finished, full-color illustrations guided by a professional
artist. Group discussions and individual instruction will focus on
selecting subject matter, conducting research, devising context, creating
dynamic composition, and choosing the best media with which to execute the
illustrations. Portfolio preparation and demonstrations of various
mixed-media techniques are planned for the evenings. The small size and
relaxed atmosphere of this workshop will facilitate interaction between the
instructor and participants; this all levels-beginning to advanced-are
encouraged to apply.

	  The work of a scientific illustrator does not necessarily end with the
completion of an accurate, aesthetically-pleasing rendering. In many cases,
context is important too. Establishing an appropriate context for a
scientific subject requires careful planning, including close observation
of the subject and its environment, basic research, and the execution of
preliminary sketches, in which good composition plays an important role.

	  The Humboldt Institute is located on a forested hilltop overlooking the
rocky peninsula, islands, and open ocean of one of the most scenic areas of
coastal Maine, near Acadia National Park and Petit Manan National Wildlife
Refuge. Surrounded by undisturbed habitat, it is an ideal site for artists
and illustrators who are inspired by nature. The cost of Maine is beautiful
in August, with cool Ocean breezes, and Eagle Hill provides a perfect
retreat-friendly atmosphere with comfortable accommodations and exceptional
cuisine.

  	Scott Rawlins is an Assistant Professor in the Fine Arts Department of
Beaver College in Glenside, PA, where he teaches scientific illustration,
drawing and design. In addition to his training as a medical and biological
illustrator, Mr. Rawlins holds degrees in biology and museum education. A
former museum curator, Mr. Rawlins maintains contact with the museum world
through his work as a research associate at the Academy of Natural Sciences
in Philadelphia.

Tuition		$325
Meals		$170
Choice of room accommodations:
  	Regular room or cabin	$160
  	Simple cabin		$ 95
  	Tent			$  30

For more information, contact:
Humboldt Institute			
P.O. Box 9			
Steuben, ME 04680-0009		
Ph: 207 546-2821			
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OR

Scott Rawlins
Beaver College
Glenside, PA 19038
Ph: 215 884-3689
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Also, I will be happy to answer any questions that I can.
Karen Ackoff
Scientific Illustrator
NHB 85 MRC 100
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560
Ph" 202 357-4957
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Subject: Invitation to Kate Spencer's Show

Dear Friends in the Guild, 

You are cordially invited to attend the opening of my exhibit of scientific
illustrations, outdoor watercolors, and figure studies to be held at the
Washington Studio School Gallery in Georgetown, Washington, D.C., on Thursday
evening, January 16, 1997, from 6 until 8 p.m. The show will be on display
until February 22. I would be honored and delighted if any of you can come
see this, my first show.

For those of you who do not know me, my name is Kate Spencer and I have been
a freelance illustrator specializing in reptiles and amphibians since 1993,
when I began with an internship at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History
under Elaine Hodges, our beloved and fearless leader, and George Zug, a
curator of amphibians and reptiles. Much of my work has been for Smithsonian
and National Biological Service herpetologists, as well as for Smithsonian
exhibits, herpetology journals, and commercial and literary publications. The
exhibit will include frogs, fish, crustaceans and mammals in pen and ink,
watercolor, pencil on film, and wash; watercolor Carribean skyscapes; and
charcoal figure studies done in the excellent anatomy drawing courses at the
Washington Studio School. I highly recommend the School to anyone in the area
looking for serious and affordable non-degree instruction in drawing and
painting.

The Washington Studio School is located at 3232 P Street, NW, just West of
Wisconsin Avenue (the main North-South drag in Georgetown) and is accessible
through a short alley off P Street. The phone number is 202-333-2663. If you
are arriving by Metro, exit at the Foggy Bottom station, go LEFT at the top
of the escalator, walk around the traffic circle to the LEFT until you reach
Pennsylvania Avenue and follow it to the left. This will run into M Street,
which you follow to Wisconsin Ave, where you go RIGHT. Walk up Wisconsin to P
Street, turn left, and look immediately for the alley on the left. The alley
ends at the door to the gallery.

Drivers will want to park anywhere they can near P street and walk back;
remember, the school is on the West side, that is, away from downtown, not on
the part of P Street where Thomas Sweet is on the corner. If you're there
just cross the street and walk downhill to the other part of P. 

I hope these directions are adequate. If you are unsure, please e-mail me at
[log in to unmask] or call me at 703-353-2485. I look forward to seeing you
there!

Yours in art,

Kate Spencer
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Oops - I forgot to include the dates of the workshop - MASTER CLASS IN
SCIENTIFIC ILLUSTRATION in Maine.

It will be held in August - just after the GNSI conference. August 17-23.
The workshop runs Monday-Friday; arrivals are on Sun the 17th; departures
on Sat the 23rd.

Karen Ackoff
Scientific Illustrator
NHB 85 MRC 100
Smithsonian Inst.
Washington, DC 20560
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Thought this sounded pretty cool!  Maybe someone is interested, or everyone!!

Subject: Re: Graphic Artist recruitment

Here's an interesting opportunity for any graphic artists who wants to embark on
the Great Alaskan Adventure.  I hear it's sometimes actually warmer up there
than here!

The Alaska Sea Grant College Program is recruiting a graphic artist. For a
complete job description and application form, contact Personnel Services,
University of Alaska Fairbanks, telephone (907) 474-7700. Applications must
be postmarked no later than January 22, 1997. For information about Alaska
Sea Grant, view their web site at http://www.uaf.alaska.edu/seagrant/ or
call Kurt Byers, (907) 474-6702, email [log in to unmask]

Job Summary

Graphic artist will use computer and traditional graphic design techniques
to create original art and layouts for use in print and electronic media.

Primary responsibilities:
1.  Design, typeset, and layout attractive and effective print
publications, including cover designs and page layouts.
2.  Prepare publications for laser, Docutech, and imagesetter output for
print production.
3.  Create illustrations and graphics for publications, news releases, and
worldwide web.
4.  Provide detailed instructions to printer for successful completion of
each job, and serve as a liaison between Sea Grant office and the printer.
5.  Maintain Macintosh computer graphics workstation. Perform basic
software and hardware maintenance, and advise staff on Macintosh software
and hardware maintenance.
6.  Design and maintain Sea Grant and other worldwide web sites.
7.  Design and prepare display components and exhibits for conferences,
workshops, trade shows, and other events.
8.  Develop and maintain Sea Grant photo file and photo database.

Qualifications
1.  Academic training and professional experience in graphic
design/commercial art.
2.  Detailed knowledge of computer design technology and techniques,
including design and pre-press preparation of four-color publications.
3.  Detailed knowledge of offset printing, xerographic, and pre-press
production techniques.
4.  Knowledge of electronic communications techniques, i.e. email, file
transfer protocol, worldwide web.
5.  Knowledge of Internet publishing techniques.
6.  Knowledge of computer file conversion procedures from format-to-format
and across computer platforms (PC/Macintosh).
7.  Knowledge of trade show exhibitry, including construction materials and
presentation techniques for public information exhibits.


Education
1. Minimum of two-year Associate degree in graphic design or commercial art.


Salary   $30,409.60 -  $32,260 per year, D.O.E.
Finalists will be required to present their portfolio.

Cheers!  Kris Kirkeby

"I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues"  Duke Ellington

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Yes, I have also decided to try my page in the general book as opposed
to the medical book. I feel our work is useful to many outside of the
scientific field, and would rather reach a broader base.   Pat
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>I declined the Serbin Medical Ill. book this year in favor of a page in their
Graphic Artists Guild Directory. Any body else going that direction?
--Paul Mirocha

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Paul! How are things down South this year? Any frost bite yet?.... 
Your question is a good one for me. I am glad that someone brought it up so now 
I can make the following inquiry:

What would be the "best" directory to advertise? (beside our own but which is 
not going to happen for another year or so) I am not necessarily concerned only 
with the natural scientific illustration. I am interested in advertising, 
commercial and editorial illustration as well. For the last couple of years 
(1995 and 1996) I've been using the services of a Canadian Creative Source 
publisher - "Wilcord Communication". The quality of their publications is top 
notch but their market is only kind of locally specialized. I would like to 
explore other Directories with a wider "territorial touch" - I am interested in 
a coast to coast exposure, but primarily in the East Coast.

Recently I've been approached by the "American Show Case". They impressed me 
with two weighty volumes (sent to me free of charge) and they seem to have 
competitive rates and a broad distribution. Has anyone had any experience with 
them? How about the Black Book (?) (What is actually the Black Book?) Is there 
any other major Creative Sources? Anything international?

--Emil





Emil Huston
Royal Ontario Museum
Toronto, Ontario
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  Lowest score wins if the egg is still intact.
>Our team of artists beat all the engineers.  We have the lowest score!!!!!
>
Yeah Britt!! : )  Guess nobody had to egg you on huh!! (hideous
pun intended)

>It seems like a great problem solving activity for science artists, who
>need to use both sides of the brain anyway in their job!  Maybe we can
>convince the organizers in California to offer this as an evening's
>entertainment.

This sounds terribly fun..........but then I am a bit nerdy from years
of working around physicists and engineers so I really like stuff like
this. Funny to watch *and* participate in ....  Jaynie




Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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Hey Jaynie,
Have you checked out the futurewave animator yet???I think you would really
like it for animations on the web. Your front page is ideal for mouse overs
and animations. There is a beta version on the web page, free for thirty
days, no java to learn either. REAL COOL STUFF!! The really nice thing
about it is that it compresses the file so the animations are VERY small in
memory size!! Cheers and have fun!!!!Polly

 http://www.futurewave.com




Pauline Tandon
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References: <[log in to unmask]>
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In article <[log in to unmask]>, Jaynie Martz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>MACWORLD May96 : A guide to getting great line art. Steve Roth
>

For a very good eplanation of the whole process, pick up a copy of
"Real World Scanning and Halftones" by David Blatner and Steve Roth. This
is one book that should be in the library of anyone who is involved in 
getting ink on paper.

Phillip
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On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Jaynie Martz wrote:

> >Can anybody out there suggest a resource for learning how to manipulate
> >greyscale images in Photoshop for output on a postscript laser printer
> >(600 dpi)?
> 
> Hi Dan.....can you give me a fax number?  I will be happy to fax you an
> article on this subject.....2 pages.   Jaynie
> 

Jaynie,
	I don't have any fax access, but would love to get my hands on  
whatever article it is that you're talking about.  Is there any way I could 
get a copy too?

Bruce Worden
Student, University of Michigan


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>> Hi Dan.....can you give me a fax number?  I will be happy to fax you an
>> article on this subject.....2 pages.   Jaynie
>Jaynie,
>        I don't have any fax access, but would love to get my hands on
>whatever article it is that you're talking about.  Is there any way I could
>get a copy too?
>
>Bruce Worden
----

Look the article up on the MacWorld Web site,  no pictures, but the text is
there.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Thanks to all who responded to my question about scanning and printing
greyscale. My understanding of terminology is much improved and so is my
printer output!

Dan Layne
USC School Of Medicine, Multidiscipline Labs
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Here's a request that could do with some expert advice -- he's had a few 
strange suggestions from us amateurs, but...

Thanx,

Steve ([log in to unmask])
Museum Technician
Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, B.C., Canada

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 22:16:19 -0500
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To: Multiple recipients of list ENTOMO-L <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: illustration

        I am trying my hand at sketching and describing early instar
aqutic insect larvae.  I placed a larva in a petri dish of 70% etanol,
but found the larva floated around too much.  I diluted the ethanol to
35% with no better results.  I placed the larva in a small depression
of glycerine, but found the larva began to shrink and collapse.  I
just need to keep the specimen in one place so that I can sketch it.
Any suggestions???  Thanks in advance for your help!

Joe

Joe B. Keiper
Dept. of Biological Sciences
Kent State University
Kent, OH  44242-0001                            [log in to unmask]

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Thanks Emil. Fortunately, I have avoided frost-bite so far. I can see snow in
the nountains from here, but I won't go up there. I signed on with the GAG
directory mostly because they had an early-bird deal last December. I am
currently researching these other not-strictly-science markets for our kind
of illustration. I don't know yet what kind of work I'll show.  I think I
will eventually either burn out or starve working for my publishing clients,
even though I have an agent in NY. I talked to Sally Bensusan who advertises
in the "Work Book" I have heard good things about the Showcase. Although it
is fat, everyone has it and a lot of art directors look there first. It also
costs more to be in. I look forward to your commentsor ideas. You can e-mail
me directly too at [log in to unmask]

--Paul Mirocha

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>Here's a request that could do with some expert advice -- he's had a few
>strange suggestions from us amateurs, but...
>
>Thanx,
>
>Steve ([log in to unmask])
>Museum Technician
------
>Subject: illustration
>
>        I am trying my hand at sketching and describing early instar
>aqutic insect larvae.  I placed a larva in a petri dish of 70% etanol,
>but found the larva floated around too much.  I diluted the ethanol to
>35% with no better results.  I placed the larva in a small depression
>of glycerine, but found the larva began to shrink and collapse.  I
>just need to keep the specimen in one place so that I can sketch it.
>Any suggestions???  Thanks in advance for your help!
>
>Joe
>
>Joe B. Keiper
>Dept. of Biological Sciences
>Kent State University
>Kent, OH  44242-0001                            [log in to unmask]

Melt wax in a small glass dish for a base,  may want to use colored wax.

Use minutin insect pins, placed at angles across the specimen to hold it
down.  The pins should be covered with enough liquid to make them break the
liquid's surface some distance from the specimen, to prevent distortion.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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A strong second to Phil Vogel=B9s recommendation regarding "Real World =

Scanning and Halftones" by David Blatner and Steve Roth. Although we =

frequently use alternative techniques, our copy has helped steer us =

out of a jam or two AND, being heavily illustrated, is also an =

excellent visual aid for clients who want to know more about the =

process.

If you know a printer, see if they would get it for you through the =

National Association of Printers and Lithographers (800) 642-NAPL =

(6275) where you can get a substantial discount.

I=B9m currently seeking permission to use some of the visuals to =

accompany a review scheduled for the GNSI Newsletter.

Norm Frisch
GNSI Newsletter editor
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Perhaps the techniques that work for holding slippery little tadpoles in
place in a dish of alcohol or formalin might work for securing Mr. Keiper's
aquatic insect instars. One can melt some paraffin and pour it into the
bottom of a glass dish about three inches deep, and when it has cooled one
can use thin dissecting pins pushed into the paraffin next to the specimen to
anchor it down. One needn't puncture the specimen, just lean the pins over
its legs or abdomen or whatever works. There is also a marvelous self-healing
polymer, that one can buy through mail order, that sets clear and resilient
in the bottom of a dish and works better than wax. I don't have the name or
info, but I if I can get it I'll post it. Another thing to try is plasticine
modeling clay. A lump of it stuck on the bottom of the dish can be formed to
make a platform or cradle to set the specimen upon, and will hold pins. The
plasticine won't be affected by the alcohol, but it can leave an oily residue
on your hands and dish, and bits could stick to the specimen if the surface
gets too roughed up. Nonetheless, it's easily available at art stores and is
a quick one-step solution.

Hope these tips help. Good luck.

Kate Spencer
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Hi Frank......I may be coming to NYC for a weekend within the next few
months....
Are you ever around the musuem on weekends? I would love to stop by for a quick
visit, say hello.....(bring you some electrons in a jar?? : )  Jaynie

(my apologies to the list but I don't have Frank's personal email address)









Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
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>Hi
>   Here's a question to those of you who have made web pages...  How is a
>visitor counter made?  It needs a line of CGI script and a kind of image for
>the numbers???
>   I'm ready for some more funny stories from you people, too!
>Thankey
>
>Darcy


Complicated process.  You can do a web search and find some
shareware/freeware counters for various platforms.  You should also be able
to find info on writing your own (it is a CGI script at minimum,this means
programing) on the web or at a mega bookstore.  CGI scripts run on servers,
so you need cooperation from your service provider as well.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
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>Hey Jaynie,
>Have you checked out the futurewave animator yet???
>
> http://www.futurewave.com


Tis true wacky minds think alike.....I have been checking this out
recently!!  Thanks Polly........Jaynie


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>I=B9m currently seeking permission to use some of the visuals to =
>
>accompany a review scheduled for the GNSI Newsletter.

this was good to hear Norm.......this is an area so many of us have had little
time to explore thoroughly.  Cheers.......Jaynie




Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
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Hello to GNSI!   I'm just checking to see if you are still out there.  I
haven't received mail form the listserv for the last couple of days, seems
odd since there always seems to be mail from the list serv.  Give me a shout
if you're still out there. 

Amelia Janes
Midwest Educational Graphics
Madison, WI   
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Yup.  :)

On Sun, 19 Jan 1997 [log in to unmask] wrote:

> Hello to GNSI!   I'm just checking to see if you are still out there.  I
> haven't received mail form the listserv for the last couple of days, seems
> odd since there always seems to be mail from the list serv.  Give me a shout
> if you're still out there. 
> 
> Amelia Janes
> Midwest Educational Graphics
> Madison, WI   
> 

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Thanks!!  no email for two days straight had me worrying that I might have a
problem with my system, but everything seems to be working fine.    Amelia
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HEEEYYYYYY AMY! YYIIIHHHAAAAA!
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>HEEEYYYYYY AMY! YYIIIHHHAAAAA!
YYIIPPIIIYYIITOOO KKKAAAYYYAAAYYYYYY!
-------------------------------------------------

All right, all right, I can see that things has been quiet only for couple of 
days and you guys went nuts thinking that this is the end of the...listserv.

Are you desperate for something (anything) to fill up your screen? Then here I 
come:

ACTUAL BUMPER STICKERS!!!!!!!!!!!
     
"He who laughs last thinks slowest"

"I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a 
 vegetarian."

"Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else."     

"Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine."     

"I love cats...they taste just like chicken"

"Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math."     

"Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes."  

"Out of my mind. Back in five minutes."
     
"As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools"
     
"Happiness is a belt-fed weapon"
     
"Sometimes I wake up grumpy; Other times I let her sleep"
     
"I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather....
 ...Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car...." 
     
"Montana --- At least our cows are sane!" 
     
"The gene pool could use a little chlorine." 
     
"When you do a good deed, get a receipt, in case heaven is like the 
 IRS."
    
"Wink, I'll do the rest!"

"I took an IQ test and the results were negative"

"When there's a will, I want to be in it!"
     
"Okay, who stopped the payment on my reality check?"
     
"Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students!"

"Reality? That's where the pizza delivery guy comes from!"
    
"Warning: Dates in Calendar are closer than they appear."

"Give me ambiguity or give me something else."

"We are born naked, wet and hungry. Then things get worse."

"Consciousness: that annoying time between naps."
     
"i souport publik edekasion"
     
"We are Microsoft. Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be Assimilated."

"Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?"

"Be nice to your kids. They'll choose your nursing home."



Emil





Emil Huston
Royal Ontario Museum
Toronto, Ontario
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To unsubscribe to SciArt-L

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>"I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a
> vegetarian."

>"I love cats...they taste just like chicken"

>"Consciousness: that annoying time between naps."

I can't wait to try out # 1 on a born again vegetarian friend....this
will really set him off on a tirade!! ho ho
Thanks for a really sick way to start the day Emil!!  : )   Jaynie


Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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ok, I remember someone already asked this question, but I couldn't find  a
reply to their question.

DOES ANYONE KNOW.......how stringent are the size requirements for the
annual exhibit????

THANKS, Polly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
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=B3maximum acceptable framed size is 16" x 20" (p.11 October 1996 GNSI =

Newsletter); check that issue for further directions. For additional =

information regarding the 1997 GNSI annual exhibit to be held at UCSC, =

contact committee member:

Maureen Carey
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A listing of most conference committee members along with their phone =

numbers can be found in each issue of the GNSI Newsletter.

Norm Frisch
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>There is also a marvelous self-healing
>polymer, that one can buy through mail order, that sets clear and resilient
>in the bottom of a dish and works better than wax.

The product I think you're referring to is Sylgard, made (the last time I
checked) by Dow-Corning of Midland, Michigan.  Because it's completely
colorless, it's great for transmitting light through transluscent
specimens.  It lasts practically forever.


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Subject: Re: What works for tadpoles...

Marlene......I seemed to miss something.........like that never happens to
me!....what is this polymer used for???
Whilst I'm here.......  E-mail for all of us resorting to AOL  in the
puckerbrush of America has kept us locked off line , or booted off.  So if we
don't have much to say it's because our hands are tied and mouth  cyber
gagged. ( Tough for me ...I have Loggerhea...aka diarrhea of mouth).
Any ideas for curing procrastination?   Is it the weather or that I'm just
sick of school or what!
We have an exchange student from Costa Rica and I am amazed at  their
interest in conservation  and now am  belatedly informed on what a modern and
wonderful little paradise she lives in.  Will be sending my daughter in April
with Photo requests.....BTW ....the name for frogs= sapo, sapito's =little
frogs.........I love frogs!    Hola!  Nancy  Who want's to relocate!
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Subject: Re: Frank Ippolito & NYC

>Hi Frank......I may be coming to NYC for a weekend within the next few
>months....

Hi Janie,

I'm sorry I wasn't able to respond to your question, as I was swimming with
thousands of tropical fish for the last two weeks. The daily high there was
a steady 87, with a water temp of 81! It was rough, but I survived. I see
all of you list-ers have been busy in my absence. Well . . . . I'm back
<g>.

As to whether I might be in the museum on weekends, it is (thankfully)
uncommon, but not impossible. Touch base with me as the trip is nearing. If
the trip is during the week, then just let me know a few days in advance.
I'd be happy to show you around some.

Frank <back in the chill>

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Subject: Re: What works for tadpoles...

>Whilst I'm here.......  E-mail for all of us resorting to AOL  in the
puckerbrush of America has kept us locked off line , or booted off.  So if we
don't have much to say it's because our hands are tied and mouth  cyber
gagged. ( Tough for me ...I have Loggerhea...aka diarrhea of mouth).<

Yes, I have since heard that AOL may be the problem lately.  Perhaps its time
to look for a new service.   My support person may have more specific news.
I''ll ask.


Amelia
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>I'm sorry I wasn't able to respond to your question, as I was swimming with
>thousands of tropical fish for the last two weeks. The daily high there was
>a steady 87, with a water temp of 81! It was rough, but I survived.

oohhh...I am seething with envy!!  : )

 If
>the trip is during the week, then just let me know a few days in advance.
>I'd be happy to show you around some.

Ok Frank.......Cheers and stay warm!  Jaynie


Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
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a couple of snips, 
>
>>Whilst I'm here.......  E-mail for all of us resorting to AOL  in the
>puckerbrush of America has kept us locked off line , or booted off.  of
>mouth).<
>
>>Yes, I have since heard that AOL may be the problem lately.  Perhaps its
time<

>From what I understand, within the next 6 months (in theory) there
should be massive upgrades in available connections to AOL. Someone
somewhere misguessed the response to the unlimited hours, has
acknowledged this, and is trying to remedy the situation.
I hope so, too, as I can get on only around midnight or 6 am.

Susan


>Susan Loder
>Dept. of Food Science and Technology
>University of Nebraska-Lincoln
>319 Food Industry Building
>Lincoln, NE   68583-0919
>mail to:  [log in to unmask]
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From: [log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito)
Subject: Re: PC vs. PowerPC vs. Mac?????

>To all the Computer Guru's out there in Sciart land.......

Hey Virge,

Is that you? <g>  This computer guru was out in Grand Cayman land (is that
Belize under the setting sun?).

I agree with much of what everyone mentioned. I can operate on my PC or Mac
and send around files without having to explain their orgin. At this point
it's a matter of taste. I have Photoshop 4.0 on my NT based PC at home and
it screams. I prefer working on PS there when I can.

The one PC caveat is the vector drawing tools. I am not fond of Corel at
all. But until Adobe comes through with the simultaneous release of the
PC/Mac Illustrator 7 later this year (?!) there are few choices. I use
Illustrator 4.* at home, but try to do all vector work at the office on the
Mac's version 6.0.

BTW I would steer clear of any emulation promises from either platform and
choose only the one that can deliver ALL the goods itself.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>OK, Frank, I hate to think how smug you must feel

Not smug, Clara. I use them both, remember <g>? Besides, the jury's still
out on this one. I have read lots of conflicting assessments as to how
Apple MUST be planning on proceeding. If backward compatibility was really
a major issue, then don't expect to see this product for a long, long time.
But I suspect that Apple will realize that it would be a serious albatross
around its neck to have to look backward while planning the future. This is
what hobbled Win '95. By the time this next O/S is off the development
ground, Win NT will have proven that prioritizing backward_compatability
much lower can produce a leaner, more progressive O/S. We shall see.

BTW I see that Relish has been released. <g>

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>The one PC caveat is the vector drawing tools. I am not fond of Corel at
>all. But until Adobe comes through with the simultaneous release of the
>PC/Mac Illustrator 7 later this year (?!) there are few choices. I use
>Illustrator 4.* at home, but try to do all vector work at the office on the
>Mac's version 6.0.


Hi Frank,

Have you tried Freehand 7 on the PC and how do you like it? I just bought
the Macromedia graphics suite for Windows (it includes Freehand 7) and find
it pretty neat. Also, how does Windows NT and Windows 95 compare when using
graphics programs? Is there much of a difference?

Cheers


John Megahan
Museum of Zoology
U of M


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Subject: Re: Frank Ippolito & NYC

>>Hi Frank......I may be coming to NYC for a weekend within the next few
>>months....
>
>Hi Janie,
>
>I'm sorry I wasn't able to respond to your question, as I was swimming with
>thousands of tropical fish for the last two weeks. The daily high there was
>a steady 87, with a water temp of 81! It was rough, but I survived. I see
>all of you list-ers have been busy in my absence. Well . . . . I'm back
><g>.
>
>As to whether I might be in the museum on weekends, it is (thankfully)
>uncommon, but not impossible. Touch base with me as the trip is nearing. If
>the trip is during the week, then just let me know a few days in advance.
>I'd be happy to show you around some.
>
>Frank <back in the chill>
>
>Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
>American Museum of Natural History

Hi Frank just got on list serv....

and I got a  message you were away in the warm some place... where did you
vacate too?

Liz Sieferd


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From: [log in to unmask] (Clara R. Simpson)
Subject: Re: What works for tadpoles...

>>There is also a marvelous self-healing
>>polymer, that one can buy through mail order, that sets clear and resilient
>>in the bottom of a dish and works better than wax.
>
>The product I think you're referring to is Sylgard, made (the last time I
>checked) by Dow-Corning of Midland, Michigan.  Because it's completely
>colorless, it's great for transmitting light through transluscent
>specimens.  It lasts practically forever.


Amen, it works far better than wax. Fish??  cleared and stained anything?
you need this stuff.  You need to make it in a vacuum chamber I think,
maybe just to get the bubbles out.

-Clara

Clara R. Simpson
Zoology Illustrator
Field Museum


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From: [log in to unmask] (Britt Griswold)
Subject: Color management systems

I  thought I would pass this on from one of my ListServe subscriptions.  It
is a commentary about the future of Color Managment software on the desktop
computer from the FOURCOLOR Forum.
_________________
Subject: Rendering Intents

>The rendering intents are ridiculous. The fact is, the profile generation
>vendors are not really supporting all the intents anyway, so they should be
>removed and the profile should be responsible for chosing the best intent
>based on its own "best" gamut matching algorithm.

Dear David and Fourcolleagues,

I would say that at least on theory, rendering intents should be able to
cope with most requirements.

But only if the device is "adequate" enough for the particular requirement.
No profile can make a limited device (i.e. all devices) produce colors that
are impossible to render with it.

I haven't toyed long enough with CMSs to be able to have a valid judgement,
nor has any of my customers. My belief is that they do help a lot and get
you closer, faster, to "good" color and they must be used in all cases as
the basic foundation of your process.

You could go beyond that, using educated criteria by a human, ONLY IF YOUR
BUSINESS REQUIRES IT.

MANY, MANY customers should be able to get by JUST FINE with capable custom
profiles and printing by the numbers, without even a cheap ink-jet color
proof. That way, business can get rid of their six-figures-salary, uppity
color gurus and substitute them for a few inexpensive electronic gizmos and
a little routine work performed by cheap, clerical personnel.

Old-timers that are acustomed and able to compensate in their mind for the
limited capabilities of traditional processes and make sound judgements,
for sure won't be able to adjust to the newer procedures and will be
ineffective. Young, Colortron-in-the-pocket, inexpensive computer nerds
will take over.

Switching contractors would be as easy as downloading the profiles for
their presses-inks-papers combos from their www site, drop them into a
preferences folder and let an XTension do the rest. The printing business
will be then a lot healthier and competitive.

By the next century, color printing will be as reliable and inexpensive as
sending color film to the nearer or cheaper mini-lab to get prints of your
summer vacation.

And this new era will be brought by the almighty CMSs.

Regards,


Pablo Roufogalis L.
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____________________

I think I agree with him,  but it still is a complex process and it will be
a while before it gets easy to deal with color for printing.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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To all on the list who gave good advice and paid heed
to  hardware questions in my hour of need, and software query too, though
somewhat unsolved, it is time to respond with what has been resolved.

I finally, as of today, have Eudora in place on my home computer, I've been
locked out of send in our department computer room for a semester, and did
not bother to work elsewhere as I kept thinking I would have this machine
very soon.

My friend did a wonderful job of putting together a pentium 150 with 32 megs
of ram, a 4-ram video card and 2.5 gigs of memory for a very reasonable
price, he even set the jumpers.  We just added the modem this past week.  A
system like this already built would have cost about $800 more than what I
have spent.

To those who say a component machine means time loss and frustration, you
are completely correct, on the other hand I would never have been able to
afford a system this nice on my budget any other way, so now it is worth it.
A word to those thinking of going this route, make sure you have the time
and can accept the differences between what you have in mind and what you're
friends think you want, and understand how much you are asking of the other
person, and make sure they really do know what they are doing, or it could
be a real disaster.

I still need a printer, the drawing software and drawing pad to complete
this system.  This is a two edged sword, I will end up with what I want, but
not all at once.  I expect to have it by this summer when I'll have time to
use it.  Meanwhile I have a machine to type my thesis on, to learn and
experiment with, to interact with a special database (and list-serv), and to
dream of art/science, computer as laboratory concepts without feeling they
are beyond my technical capabilities.

So special thanks to Frank, Britt, John Megahan, Darcy, Elaine and KSMatz
for their advice.  Without the support of this list serve's members I don't
know that I would have been able to take the plunge and feel confident that
the decisions were the right ones for me.

After tax returns I will get more ernest about printers and software.
Meanwhile if anyone wants to further address the differences in what they
are able to do with various drawing programs I will be paying attention.

                                        Sincerly,  Miriam

PS  I would like to ask David Goodsell about the programs being used at
Scripps for molecular modeling.  Are the capabilities to experiment with the
folding sequences of proteins, etc. available for grad students and others
to play with? Which programs are available and how far have they gone in
building in the physical chemistry.  I have heard of Charm, but not seen it.
I have some ideas I would like to try my hand at, but no pretense of being
up to speed in physical chemistry.  My background is more in economic and
ethnobotany with an intention to focus on classical taxonomy through
morphology.  I would like to test some ideas on evolution inspired at the
whole plant level, at the molecular level.  This is right now mostly a hobby
I don't have time for but can't quite leave alone.  Looking forward to any
and all input on this one.  MKVZant






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Greetings, All!
	I just signed on Listserv, and in the nick of time.  I hope someone can
offer advice.  I need to sculpt models of food items that come from
wetlands (rice, cranberries, etc.) for a wetlands exhibit at Binder Park
Zoo here in Battle Creek. These items must be essentially people-proof
and weather-proof, although they will be covered when not in use.  I am
going to try Aves Apoxie Sculpt, which is supposed to be weather-proof
and very tough, but I have little experience in this area and would
appreciate any other suggestions.
	I would prefer to use a material that I can sculpt, but casting or
molding is a possibility if the results would be superior.  I will need
to paint these items, too, or otherwise make them look realistic.
	I'll appreciate ANY input you can give me.
Thanks,
Gail Guth
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> I need to sculpt models of food items that come from
> wetlands (rice, cranberries, etc.) for a wetlands exhibit at Binder Park
> Zoo here in Battle Creek.

I love this list! Even though I'm nothing doing anything interesting these
days, I love learning about the diversity of projects everyone else is
working on. It's good to know there is life out there.

Sorry Gail, can't advise you - my only sculpting of late is with
play-doh.

-Catherine


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>PS  I would like to ask David Goodsell about the programs being used at
>Scripps for molecular modeling.

Miriam-

Dozens of programs for modelling and imaging molecules are available,
which run on everything from an IBM PC to a Cray supercomputer. We
have a few 'workhorses' here in the Molecular Graphics Laboratory. These
include:

1) RASMOL. This is a wonderful little program for displaying molecules
interactively. Versions are available for the MAC, for IBM PC, and for
various unix machines. This would be the best place for you to start if
you want to get your feet wet. There is a RASMOL home page at
http://www/umass/edu/microbio/rasmol, which includes information on the
program, and a pointer to the Protein Data Bank, where you can find
atomic coordinates for thousands of proteins.

2) MAGE. This is another program for displaying molecules interactively,
written for the MAC, but now ported to PC's. It is nice because you make
a sort of 'script' called a KINEMAGE, which controls an image with character
similar to a web page. It is freely available on the web - I don't have
the URL handy.

3) MOLSCRIPT. This is a program for generating postscript images of
molecules for publication. It was originally written to generate ribbon 
diagrams of proteins (the ones with arrows and ticker-tape helices), but
also allows a number of other options. I use this program to create
most of my images for technical publications. It is also available on
the web. It is a stand-alone FORTRAN (or maybe C) program -- we run
it on our unix workstations.

4) INSIGHT, SYBYL, AMBER, FRODO, and O. These are huge programs that are
used for modelling molecules. They typically require a high-end workstation
with excellent graphics capabilities, and the programs cost an arm and a
leg. A typical biochemistry graduate student will require a month or so
of training to become proficient in their use (I have yet to be comfortable
with them). If you want to try these out, my best suggestion is that
you contact a local university and try to work up a friendship. Structural
researchers are often impressed by people that can draw, and perhaps you
can work out a trade.

There are also a number of molecular modelling programs available off-the-shelf
for MACs and PCs. These typically allow you to build and display small
molecules (10-100 atoms). I haven't played with them, but they might
also provide a nice introduction to the field. They would also be useful
if you needed to create a picture of a new drug for a TV news program
(like the new compound from grapes -- resveratrol -- that is a cancer
chemopreventive molecule).

Spend some time poking around the WWW -- this will give you enough of
a taste to see if you want to seriously pursue the field in more depth.

Best regards,

David

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>        I would prefer to use a material that I can sculpt, but casting or
>molding is a possibility if the results would be superior.  I will need
>to paint these items, too, or otherwise make them look realistic.
>        I'll appreciate ANY input you can give me.
>Thanks,
>Gail Guth


I have never used anything in this line except Sulpey,  I expect that is
not going to last out of doors.
I would suggest you put this question to the a list sevre for Museum
collections.  One of our Listservers passed on a question about Dioramas,
and I got back some good replies.

You also might call the GNSI President, Gloria Nusse,  She works
exclusively in 3D and has much experience in exhibit work.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>My friend did a wonderful job of putting together a pentium 150 with 32 megs
>of ram, a 4-ram video card and 2.5 gigs of memory for a very reasonable
>price, he even set the jumpers.  We just added the modem this past week.  A
>system like this already built would have cost about $800 more than what I
>have spent.

Congratulations Miriam! Sounds like you have a nice machine there. I'm
still in the process of putting a system together as well. I have a pretty
good PC assembled and half of the software that I want. My next additions
this spring will be a drawing pad, a good monitor and, of course, more
software. Keep us posted on the drawing/painting programs you get and how
you like them.

Have fun
John


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Frank - We are going to have to classify you as the official GNSI tormentor! I 
just got back from a commuting-distance artist residency teaching natural 
science illustration to middle school students.  I did not get back last night! 
The highway patrol would not allow travel outside of the area town limit and 3/4
of the state had the major interstate highways closed to all traffic.  600 kids 
were housed in this town over night.If the kids lived within 3 blocks, they 
could walk otherwise they were bused.  The people in this area already have 
drifts up to the second story windows of their houses (no, I am not kidding!). 
Two days before my 'over night visit' it rained... very hard! Tonight we get 6 
more inches of snow on top of the 55 inches we have so far. You need to be 
grateful I am going to Scotland and will miss the next GNSI meeting Frank or I 
would throttle your tanned neck!!  But take care anyway!!  Kris

"I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues"  Duke Ellington
Kris Kirkeby   Kirkeby Illustrations   St. Paul, Minnesota

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>>        I would prefer to use a material that I can sculpt, but casting or
>>molding is a possibility if the results would be superior.  I will need
>>to paint these items, too, or otherwise make them look realistic.
>>        I'll appreciate ANY input you can give me.
>>Thanks,
>>Gail Guth
>
>
>I have never used anything in this line except Sulpey,  I expect that is
>not going to last out of doors.
>I would suggest you put this question to the a list sevre for Museum
>collections.  One of our Listservers passed on a question about Dioramas,
>and I got back some good replies.
>
>You also might call the GNSI President, Gloria Nusse,  She works
>exclusively in 3D and has much experience in exhibit work.
>
>Britt
>
>Britt Griswold
>Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
>Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
>Greenbelt, MD 20771
>USA
>[log in to unmask]


Hey Britt:

Am working on the GNSI Summer workshop web page, putting it on the CCAD WeB
site.  Is there a url address for the guild that I can add a link to?

Liz..


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Gail

I would be interested to know how you resolve this exhibit design.

the apoxie chemical is two part?  I have used a number of materials for
exterior exhibits. I have used a two part sculpting compund very sticky
stuff keep your tools wet if it is the same thing.

Are you sculpting only the food parts, or the whole plant?  How will this
be mounted.

If you are sculpting the berries etc, and using the apoxie you can sculpt
right on to a bolt head. then people can't remove them.  I have used auto
paints like chrome coat for durability with a clear cote auto finish on
top. These are two part paints and can be painted with airbrush, and brush.
They come in a spectrum of colors.  I have all the base oclors I purchased
1/4 pints. Caution use in ventalated area with resporator. I have painted
some very nice exhibits in auto paint over aluminums, quick cast 10 & 20.
One shot paints also work well and I have mixed a number to gether with
great effects. A bit sticky, but weather very well.

Happy painting & sculpting. Let me know how this works out and how you
resolve the problem.

Liz Sieferd
EGS Design


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Britt you mentioned the museum listserv how do I subscibe to this?

Liz


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To all on the list who gave good advice and paid heed 
to  hardware questions in my hour of need, and software query too, though
somewhat unsolved, it is time to respond with what has been resolved.

I finally, as of today, have Eudora in place on my home computer, I've been
locked out of send in our department computer room for a semester, and did
not bother to work elsewhere as I kept thinking I would have this machine
very soon. 

My friend did a wonderful job of putting together a pentium 150 with 32 megs
of ram, a 4-ram video card and 2.5 gigs of memory for a very reasonable
price, he even set the jumpers.  We just added the modem this past week.  A
system like this already built would have cost about $800 more than what I
have spent.

To those who say a component machine means time loss and frustration, you
are completely correct, on the other hand I would never have been able to
afford a system this nice on my budget any other way, so now it is worth it.
A word to those thinking of going this route, make sure you have the time
and can accept the differences between what you have in mind and what you're
friends think you want, and understand how much you are asking of the other
person, and make sure they really do know what they are doing, or it could
be a real disaster.  

I still need a printer, the drawing software and drawing pad to complete
this system.  This is a two edged sword, I will end up with what I want, but
not all at once.  I expect to have it by this summer when I'll have time to
use it.  Meanwhile I have a machine to type my thesis on, to learn and
experiment with, to interact with a special database (and list-serv), and to
dream of art/science, computer as laboratory concepts without feeling they
are beyond my technical capabilities.

So special thanks to Frank, Britt, John Megahan, Darcy, Elaine and KSMatz
for their advice.  Without the support of this list serve's members I don't
know that I would have been able to take the plunge and feel confident that
the decisions were the right ones for me.  

After tax returns I will get more ernest about printers and software.
Meanwhile if anyone wants to further address the differences in what they
are able to do with various drawing programs I will be paying attention.

                                        Sincerly,  Miriam

PS  I would like to ask David Goodsell about the programs being used at
Scripps for molecular modeling.  Are the capabilities to experiment with the
folding sequences of proteins, etc. available for grad students and others
to play with? Which programs are available and how far have they gone in
building in the physical chemistry.  I have heard of Charm, but not seen it.
I have some ideas I would like to try my hand at, but no pretense of being
up to speed in physical chemistry.  My background is more in economic and
ethnobotany with an intention to focus on classical taxonomy through
morphology.  I would like to test some ideas on evolution inspired at the
whole plant level, at the molecular level.  This is right now mostly a hobby
I don't have time for but can't quite leave alone.  Looking forward to any
and all input on this one.  MKVZant  



                                       

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Thanks, Britt =96 do you have an email address for a museum listserv? I'd
like to give it a try.
	And thanks to Catherine - I got the first laugh of the day after
reading your Playdoh comment.
	I sent for a small amount of the Aves product after reading their
brochure and talking to one of the owners; it sounds almost too good to
be true, as it can be used for all sorts of repairs ("Sticks To
Anything"), and is extremely durable.  I made a small sculpture, let it
dry, and hit it with a hammer; there was a slight mark, but it didn't
break.  They make a variety of products. It's a taxidermy shop, and the
owners developed the products by necessity, needing something durable,
self-hardening, and capable of holding fine detail.Apparently the
Phoenix (?) Zoo used this product to refine full-sized concrete
sculptures of animals that needed more detail than concrete could
provide.
	When you get the bill, the shop's full name is "Aves Taxidermy &
Cheese" , which is a bit startling. They're in Wisconsin, which I hope
explains the cheese part.
	Anyway, thanks again.  If anyone has any other information or
experience with sculpting products, I'd like to hear about it.
Otherwise, I'll let you know how this turns out.
Gail
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A note on Sculpey for outdoor use:  I have used it, and it does hold up
with a waterproof coating (the latest go-round, we tried a spray on
marine spar varnish), but we had some problems with it (the Sculpey)
cracking.  Our Michigan weather changes in a heartbeat (..."you might be
a Michigander is you've every gotten sunburn and frostbite in the same
week" =96 YES!).  Any moisture left (or seeping into) the clay will expan=
d
when frozen, not to mention the exuberance of maintainence guys who feel
compelled to tighten the nuts & bolts down so far that an explosion
wouldn't dislodge them =96 this is hard on sculptures. =09
	Other than that, it has worked.
=96Gail
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>
>Hey Britt:
>
>Am working on the GNSI Summer workshop web page, putting it on the CCAD WeB
>site.  Is there a url address for the guild that I can add a link to?
>
>Liz..


Not yet.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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>Britt you mentioned the museum listserv how do I subscibe to this?
>
>Liz

I think this is the one.  There are Lots of them.
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>You need to be grateful I am going to Scotland and will miss the next GNSI
>meeting Frank or I would throttle your tanned neck!!  But take care
>anyway!!

Hi Kris. Sounds like a real winter wonderland up there! And if I might
stick my tanned neck out . . . I'll miss you too <BG>.

Frank <ducking & running>

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Kris - As a former northern-Wisconsinite I can truly relate to what 
you're saying! It is indeed cruel for one to flaunt one's Caribbean 
vacation in the midst of such suffering by others!

I'm interested in your workshop given for middle school students - 
what is your approach for students of that age? What techniques, 
materials, etc. do you introduce? Is it conjunction with science 
education, or art ed? I'm active in science education here and have 
been trying to get teachers interested in the si-illustration 
approach. 

Cindy
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Hi, Listserv People!
	Wow!  Thanks for the responses to my inquiry about sculpting
outdoor-use models.
	Liz: the apoxie is two part, and needs to be mixed by hand.  It remains
pliable for about 2 hours, and can be added to once dry.  I'll be
sculpting the food itself, not the plants.  I do plan to build bolts
right into the sculpture; I did this on the Sculpey project (heads of
three species of swan, part of a trumpeter swan exhibit), and it worked
well.  Thanks VERY much for the paint info.  I will probably try the One
Shot paint, as I have worked with it before.
	The address of the taxidermy place is:
		Aves Studio
		P.O. Box 344
		River Falls, WI
		715-386-9097
		ORDERS ONLY  800-261-2837
They are nice to talk to, very helpful, take credit cards, and will send
a brochure.  You can order a fairly small amount of each product to try
out.  All products are certified non-toxic.  They offer several types of
clay (including colored clays) each with a particular use, paper mache,
and a paste for filling, bonding, and repairs.  All are soap and water
clean-up and self-hardening.
	To all:  I had my messages emailed back to me, and I noticed all the
"=96" signs.  Sorry about this, apparently that happens when you type an
em dash (option -).  I'm new to email.
	I'll let you know how my sculpting project goes.

Thanks again,
Gail
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The "Winter of '96-'97" montra:

     "At least we're not in Fargo......"

Liz Hansen
(former - and glad of it right now! - Minnesotan)
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On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Britt Griswold wrote:

> >Britt you mentioned the museum listserv how do I subscibe to this?
> >
> >Liz
> 
> I think this is the one.  There are Lots of them.
> Natural History Collections
> 
> List Name: nhcoll-l
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> 

Yup, that's the one -- sorry for being "out of the loop" while the thread
developed.  I'm not sure nhcoll-l is the place to get info on sculpting
materials -- they're more focused on specimens than displays,  but I'm
sure they could (politely) direct you to other sources. 

On the other hand, I'm sure they would be delighted to have sci-art folk
on the list.  Your input on pigments, solvents, archiving, molding,
specimen handling, (...to name a few topics off the top of my head) would
be *most* welcome! 

Cheers!

Steve ([log in to unmask])
Museum Technician
Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, B.C., Canada

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Liz wrote to Britt:

"Am working on the GNSI Summer workshop web page, putting it on the CCAD WeB
site.  Is there a url address for the guild that I can add a link to?"

I've been asked to work on updating a web page for a scientific society.  At
this point I know nothing about the how part, I have seen people work on web
pages but never done it.  My advisor will get me started, but I'm sure the
learning curve will not be completed at the time my duties/opportunity
begins.  Would you, Liz and/or others be good enough to explain what CCAD
WeB site is? If all goes well I will check and see if there is mutual
interest in adding a GNSI link to this other web site as well.  Miriam

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Susan, I too lurk around the 'puter at odd hours hoping to download mail and
wondering where my mail disappears too when I goes missing!  New AOL phenom.
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I just received information from a company called Castcraft, which has
moldmaking and casting guidebooks (a set of 4, 8.5 x 11 200 pg softcover
books) on all types of materials and how-tos (including
resins,concretes, waxes, low-temp metals, etc), plus a list of sources
for materials.  They also have 2 VHS tapes ($55, I think) on
techniques.  I beleive they'll sell both books and tapes for $89, but
you might want to double check. I'm going to give the guidebooks a look,
as I am especialy interested in the suppliers lists. Let me know if
you'd like a review.
	Castcraft
	Box 17000
	Memphis, TN   38187-1000 
	(901) 682-0961
They do NOT take credit cards - check or money order only.  You can get
priority mail for an extra $2

Gail Guth.
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> It is indeed cruel for one to flaunt one's Caribbean
>vacation in the midst of such suffering by others!

Well, cruel & unusual is my middle name. But flaunt? I didn't even mention
the miles of white sandy beaches filled with tanned and toned bodies from
across the planet. And I made a point of avoiding mention of how difficult
it was to sleep, with the windows WIDE open with the ceiling fan on full
and still sweating (had to sleep it off on the beach later that day). And
I'm sure I never got around to describing the application of cool suntan
oil onto one's back by beautiful strangers with funny accents who were, by
the way, half naked. And no mention of wonderfully mixxed marguiritas on
the beach- before noon.

Did I mention the water was 81 degrees?

Cheers,

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>Well, cruel & unusual is my middle name. But flaunt? I didn't even mention
>the miles of white sandy beaches filled with tanned and toned bodies from
>across the planet. And I made a point of avoiding mention of how difficult
>it was to sleep, with the windows WIDE open with the ceiling fan on full
>and still sweating (had to sleep it off on the beach later that day).

horrid boy!!  : )  Jaynie


Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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Hey Frank...................SHUT UP! ;)
We might have to string you up by your bathing suit in a Nebaska SNowstorm
if you don't stop taunting us! We of the Great Plains are freezing our
cahoonas off over here!Haven't you ever seen the movie "The Shining"?
People go crazy with this much cold weather!

Hey, I hear you are teaching Photoshop in Santa Cruz. Are you going to
focus on print graphics or are you doing anything for web or multimedia
stuff? ALSo.....what level are you going for?

Have a cold one! hee hee hee! POlly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
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University of Nebraska
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 My dear fellow artists, Having just returned from 10 days on Molokai I am
a taken back by Franks 2nd installment on his diving trip.   We only hit
75-80 F. (cool spell from the SW).Alan & I had to suffer through 40F. on 
the ridgetops looking at the bogs & I never did swim, distracted as I was 
by the humpback migration in the reach between Lanai and me.
 Just so you do not think it was all pleasure, I did see Joan Yoshioma 
at the nature conservatory (Who told me she took a course from George Venible 
in Honolulu 10 years ago and he told her it was all going to computers).
She is very interested in the guild and Santa Cruz. 
 So why did it not occur to us to have workshops in Honolulu 10 years ago.  
Old George must be on to something.

p.s. Kris, That was me looking down at you from 35000' on my way east last
friday. Looked cold.   

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> My dear fellow artists, Having just returned from 10 days on Molokai

Dear MJ and Frank.....a pox on both your obnoxious selves!!  : )
I've got my coat wrapped around my legs today my office is so
frigid!!  brrrrr   (although all this shivering enabled me to
accidentally access some new keystroke combos I may never
have stumbled across otherwise..ho ho)  Jaynie









Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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>although all this shivering enabled me to
>accidentally access some new keystroke combos I may never
>have stumbled across otherwise..<<

And think of the high speed stippling you can achieve <g>.

I'll behave now.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Hey Frank (and anyone else who has a good sunny story)
hee hee hee
I just wanted to let you know that I am picking up 10 rolls of film which
(hopefully if they come out) will be beautiful memoirs of sunny 84 degrees F
Costa Rica!  hee hee heee ;)

Jennifer Fairman
Scientific Illustrator
NMNH, Smithsonian
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>I just wanted to let you know that I am picking up 10 rolls of film which
>(hopefully if they come out) will be beautiful memoirs of sunny 84 degrees F
>Costa Rica!  hee hee heee ;)

et tu Jennifer?? (sigh)  : )


Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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Take heart, cold weather builds character.  Who wants to be
a tanned, empty-headed fool with not a care in the world? Those
of us who brave the elements know how to stare down adversity
with grim determination.  Something our sandy toed beach friends
will never understand.


[log in to unmask] (Jaynie Martz) Wrote:
> 
> > My dear fellow artists, Having just returned from 10 days on Molokai
> 
> Dear MJ and Frank.....a pox on both your obnoxious 
> selves!!  : )
> I've got my coat wrapped around my legs today my office is 
> so
> frigid!!  brrrrr   (although all this shivering enabled me 
> to
> accidentally access some new keystroke combos I may never
> have stumbled across otherwise..ho ho)  Jaynie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
> Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly 
> CEBAF)
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January 21, 1997

As the Cooperative Education  Program Coordinator for the Biomedical
Photographic Communications Program at Rochester Institute of Technology,  I
would like to invite your organization to consider participating in the Co-op
program for Summer 1997. As has been the case for a number of years, students
who have completed the first and/or second years of the Biomedical Photographic
Communications curriculum will be available for co-op assignments beginning on
or about June 2, 1997 through August 29, 1997.

Co-op benefits students by allowing them the opportunity to confirm their
chosen profession while gaining relevant experience.  Co-op benefits employers
in a number of ways including:  supplying coverage for special projects,
employee leaves and seasonal peaks in work, creating a partnership with an
academic institution, and providing a fresh new perspective from an
enthusiastic young professional.

Students in the Biomedical Photographic Communications Program are required to
complete at least one co-op experience prior to graduating.  At minimum, co-ops
are eight weeks in length with the student working 20 hours per week.
Typically, co-ops are ten weeks in length with the student working 35-40 hours
per week.  It should be noted that 95 percent of our co-op students are paid
each year.

If you might be interested, we would be happy to provide you with
the program overview for Biomedical Photographic Communications. It
provides academic information  as well as information relative to the Co-op
program.  Additionally, you can request a brief questionnaire inquiring about
your organizations needs for the summer of 1997.   Please complete this at
your
earliest convenience and return it in the envelope provided.

Please contact me or Michael  R. Peres, RBP, FBPA, Chairman of the Biomedical
Photographic Communications Department (716) 475-2775 if you would like
additional information.  We look forward to hearing from you and appreciate
your support of our students.

Very truly yours,

Lisa Vasaturo Program Coordinator Office of Cooperative Education and Career
Services phone:  (716) 475-5460 fax:  (716) 475-5476 email:  [log in to unmask]

MIchael Peres, [log in to unmask]



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Well, Frank - Cruel and Unusual - Ippolito, you must be quite a 
number! Maybe I should leave my dear devoted husband and kids at home 
while I attend your computer graphics class in Santa Cruz!

I'd be happy to sweat under ceiling fans in the tropics ANYtime! This 
weekend I get to take my underwater photography students to dive 
around the San Juan Islands of Puget Sound - water temp a blissful 43 
degrees, air temp in the 30s - maybe 40s if we're lucky! Probably the 
only things rubbing MY back will be harbor seals!

Cheers yourself!

Cindy



Frank Ippolito wrote:

> Well, cruel & unusual is my middle name. But flaunt? I didn't even mention
> the miles of white sandy beaches filled with tanned and toned bodies from
> across the planet. And I made a point of avoiding mention of how difficult
> it was to sleep, with the windows WIDE open with the ceiling fan on full
> and still sweating (had to sleep it off on the beach later that day). And
> I'm sure I never got around to describing the application of cool suntan
> oil onto one's back by beautiful strangers with funny accents who were, by
> the way, half naked. And no mention of wonderfully mixxed marguiritas on
> the beach- before noon.
> 
> Did I mention the water was 81 degrees?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Frank
> 
> Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
> American Museum of Natural History
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Speaking of museums, the one for which I have been volunteering my 
time in the hopes of eventually getting paid has decided that I should 
indeed get paid - of course, the catch is that the director has asked 
me if I know of any potential funding sources to which she could send 
grant applications for the geology exhibits. Does anyone have any 
suggestions?
 
I'm working on some block illustrations which will show the rock 
layers underneath, as well as the surface so people can readily relate 
to the chosen locations. I'd like to add a bit of 3-D relief to the 
illustrations for interest. Would epoxy products work better for 
vertical displays  (i.e., in terms of staying put and not eventually 
sliding off the panel)? 

Cindy
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>Hey, I hear you are teaching Photoshop in Santa Cruz. Are you going to
>focus on print graphics or are you doing anything for web or multimedia
>stuff? ALSo.....what level are you going for?

Hi Polly,

I got your direct post, but I thought I'd answer this on the 'serve in case
others are interested. I am definitly focusing more on the print graphics
and illustration aspect of the program. I will be emphasizing the
combination of paint tools, channels, filters, and layers that can enable
an artist to generate full illustrations from pencil sketches (that they
will supply). As to the level I will be adressing, that is a tough one to
define. As with the course I will be teaching this semester (based on the
same concept), I expect to have to teach some Photoshop basics to many of
the students who are less familiar with the program. But the approach I
take uses many features that might be considered "advanced", so the answer
is neither. Or both.

>>I'm going to be teaching the web page design class.<<

Great. I hope they don't put these back to back. 'Cause I waana take it.

>>We might have to string you up by your bathing suit in a Nebaska SNowstorm
if you don't stop taunting us!<<

I did that my LAST winter vacation. (Wait that was LA and it was 8 years
ago. But it was COLD there too!) Which is what made this trip so special.
Believe me, I won't be waiting as long next time (already got the trip
penciled in!).

>>Haven't you ever seen the movie "The Shining"?
People go crazy with this much cold weather!<<

Indeed! My cactus gets nervous whenever I arrive home with the greeting:
Honey, I'm home . . . .

Cheers,

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>Take heart, cold weather builds character.  Who wants to be
>a tanned, empty-headed fool with not a care in the world? Those
>of us who brave the elements know how to stare down adversity
>with grim determination.  Something our sandy toed beach friends
>will never understand.

Well said!! ole!!  : )



Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
http://www.jlab.org  ,[log in to unmask]
Phone: 757-269-5022  FAX: 757-269-7352
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>Well, Frank - Cruel and Unusual - Ippolito, you must be quite a
>number! Maybe I should leave my dear devoted husband and kids at home
>while I attend your computer graphics class in Santa Cruz!

Sounds great Cindy!

BTW are you planning on bringing your dive equipment? I think diving the
kelp forest would be the greatest.

>This  weekend I get to take my underwater photography students to dive
>around the San Juan Islands of Puget Sound - water temp a blissful 43
>degrees, air temp in the 30s - maybe 40s if we're lucky!

What a beautiful area- cold not withstanding. Sounds like dry-suit
territory, though. I hope you bring some examples of your underwater
photography to the meeting. In fact, what's the chances you'd be giving a
talk on this? <hint,hint>

>Probably the only things rubbing MY back will be harbor seals!

Whatever gets you through the night <g>.

BTW congrats on your new status: *paid* museum illustrator!

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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ALSo.....what level are you going for?

But the approach I
>take uses many features that might be considered "advanced", so the answer
>is neither. Or both.

Hi all.....Don't you just love a guy who knows exactly where he stands!! : )

Cindy.....have you seen the lastest issue of National Geographic?  It has a
mindbogglingly beautiful and dazzlingly complex series of cutaway views
of the NYC subway, sewerline, conduits, etc........I can't remember the
artist's name at the moment but he did an awesome job of juggling  a
multitude of textures, layers,substrates, angles and altitudes..........All
computer
graphics I think.

Also the foldout map/centerpiece of that issue is quite a stunner......I
believe it is intitled THE DAWN OF MAN......quite a masterpiece and appears
to be mostly board illustrated.........

Jaynie



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12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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Hey Frank,
The reason I ask is that I thought I would talk a bit about gifs, jpegs,
and memory size of graphics for web page design and I didn't want to go
over something that people migth already know! I think the class should be
really good! I'm hoping people will bring images and content that they have
already developed to put into the web page. I'm either going to have the
class develop a museum web site or a homepage to display their work(
similar to Pat Schories). I'm working on the Watermark software to see if
it is a viable software to touch on for aartwork protection. I'm going to
be using Adobe PageMill. We have a great ADobe rep  and I think I can get a
beta version for each of the participants and some free CD's with Adobe
demo software too.  Even for people who know HTML like me, I prefer
PageMill because I Save a LOT of TIME without having to write HTML. Any
suggestions?

Hope to hear from you soon!Polly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
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 >From: <[log in to unmask]>
>Take heart, cold weather builds character.  Who wants to be
>a tanned, empty-headed fool with not a care in the world? Those
>of us who brave the elements know how to stare down adversity
>with grim determination.  Something our sandy toed beach friends
>will never understand.

>Well said!! ole!!  : )
>Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab

Hey, This morning I drove to work in freezing rain, be kind.
MJ Spring, (Wish I had brought my panama hat to work) 

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>Also the foldout map/centerpiece of that issue is quite a stunner......I
>believe it is intitled THE DAWN OF MAN......quite a masterpiece and appears
>to be mostly board illustrated.........
>
>Jaynie
>
That  Painting was done by John Gurche,  who gave the key note speech at
last summers GNSI Meeting.  He is well known to our Washington DC Members.
He did much of his research and painting around the National Museum of
natural History for 8 years or so.  Now he feeelances in the Denver area.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
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USA
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  Even for people who know HTML like me, I prefer
>PageMill because I Save a LOT of TIME without having to write HTML. Any
>suggestions?

Make sure you discuss the things which Pagemill may put in a HTML file that
can cause Problems when the go on the actual server.

Britt Griswold
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yeah, been there, done that! Don't worry! I will address those problems!POlly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
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Britt,0
>Make sure you discuss the things which Pagemill may put in a HTML file that
>can cause Problems when the go on the actual server.

Actually, if you set up your gifs and html docs in the same folder, you
don't have much trouble with relative paths. ALso, if you don't drop and
drag, but actually put in the name of the "link to" file, then you don't
have much trouble. I've also done some testing of Claris HomePage and it
looks equally as good! AND it has some nifty features with tables that
Pagemill doesn't. AND BOTH have drag over frame capabilities!!
CHEERS,
POlly



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      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
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To all those languishing in the sun:

May the fleas from a thousand beaches invade your swimwear!


[log in to unmask] (Jaynie Martz) Wrote:
> 
> 
> >I just wanted to let you know that I am picking up 10 rolls of film which
> >(hopefully if they come out) will be beautiful memoirs of sunny 84 degrees 
F
> >Costa Rica!  hee hee heee ;)
> 
> et tu Jennifer?? (sigh)  : )
> 
> 
> Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
> Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly 
> CEBAF)
> 12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
> http://www.jlab.org  ,[log in to unmask]
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Jaynie Martz wrote:
> 
> ALSo.....what level are you going for?
> 
> But the approach I
> >take uses many features that might be considered "advanced", so the answer
> >is neither. Or both.
> 
> Hi all.....Don't you just love a guy who knows exactly where he stands!! : )


Definitely!

> 
> Cindy.....have you seen the lastest issue of National Geographic?  It has a
> mindbogglingly beautiful and dazzlingly complex series of cutaway views
> of the NYC subway, sewerline, conduits, etc........I can't remember the
> artist's name at the moment but he did an awesome job of juggling  a
> multitude of textures, layers,substrates, angles and altitudes..........All
> computer
> graphics I think.


Hi Jaynie - I found that issue in a big pile of mail still unread - 
what a great illustration! The one on page 125 is closer to what I'm 
trying to do the rock layers - here we sit upon layers upon layers of 
columnar basalt, overlaying an old sea floor, and underlaying layers 
of alluvial and aeolian deposits - I like how the artist (Don Foley) 
has handled the different layers in his illustration. I'd like to do 
something similar, with just about 1/4 to 1/2 inch textured relief 
with the modeling compound - whichever one we end up using.

Another illustration I'm working on is a transect starting west of 
Axial volcano (currently erupting on the Juan de Fuca Ridge  in the 
Pacific Ocean), through the Cascadia subduction zone, through Mt. St. 
Helens and Mt. Adams, through where the Columbia and Snake Rivers 
converge (site of some old dikes, and also the edge of the N.American 
continental craton), through to catch some of the Rocky Mtns. The 
purpose of this illustration would be to give an overview of the 
different volcanic and tectonic influences affecting our region (the 
Columbia Plateau) - interestingly, all of those points lie in a 
straight E-W line! I'd like to show some texture on the layers of this 
illustration, too, as well as show an oblique surface view of 
Washington State blending into the background. The transect will go 
as deep as the magma.


> Also the foldout map/centerpiece of that issue is quite a stunner......

Indeed! Thanks for the suggested reference - of course, now you've got 
me going - my living room is strewn with dozens of past issues, 
looking for more inspiration!

Cindy
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Frank Ippolito wrote:

> BTW are you planning on bringing your dive equipment? I think diving the
> kelp forest would be the greatest.


You bet!!


> What a beautiful area- cold not withstanding. Sounds like dry-suit
> territory, though.


It is. Unfortunately, just as wet suits do over the years, my dry suit 
has shrunk, so I use a 7 mm wetsuit. Works OK, plus it can warmed up 
as needed (just kidding - NO one ever does THAT!). The life underwater 
is astounding - well worth getting a bit cold. But I still love coral 
reef diving best of all.


I hope you bring some examples of your underwater
> photography to the meeting. In fact, what's the chances you'd be giving a
> talk on this? <hint,hint>


I'd be happy to bring some slides if there's an interest - scheduling 
might be a challenge, as I want to take every single workshop! 


> >Probably the only things rubbing MY back will be harbor seals!
> 
> Whatever gets you through the night <g>.

Ouch!
> 
> BTW congrats on your new status: *paid* museum illustrator!

Many thanks! (taking a bow)


Cindy
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Subject: Re: Web pages

>Liz wrote to Britt:
>
>"Am working on the GNSI Summer workshop web page, putting it on the CCAD WeB
>site.  Is there a url address for the guild that I can add a link to?"
>
>I've been asked to work on updating a web page for a scientific society.  At
>this point I know nothing about the how part, I have seen people work on web
>pages but never done it.  My advisor will get me started, but I'm sure the
>learning curve will not be completed at the time my duties/opportunity
>begins.  Would you, Liz and/or others be good enough to explain what CCAD
>WeB site is? If all goes well I will check and see if there is mutual
>interest in adding a GNSI link to this other web site as well.  Miriam


Miriam the Columbus College of Art & Design  Web site address is
(http//www.ccad.edu)
I am working on the summer page in page mill. CCAD specializes in comercial
art and design. The Visual Communication Dept is the largest dept on
campus, and we are in the process of developing curriculum in botanical and
zoological illustration for the sciences as well as all commercial markets.
We work very closely with Disney, Imagineering, Hallmark, American
Greetings, Industrial Light and Magic, etc. The visual communication dept
is broken into a number of market focuses from print publication,
advertising, zoological and botanical. We also have a very strong
Industrial Design Dept, focusing product design, exhibit etc.
GNSI is holding it's workshop at the college this summer and 98.

Have a happy Liz

Elizabeth G. Sieferd
EGS Design Group
4323 S. Section Line Rd Delaware, Ohio
Phone 614. 881. 6012
Fax 614. 881. 4389
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>> It is indeed cruel for one to flaunt one's Caribbean
>>vacation in the midst of such suffering by others!
>
>Well, cruel & unusual is my middle name. But flaunt? I didn't even mention
>the miles of white sandy beaches filled with tanned and toned bodies from
>across the planet. And I made a point of avoiding mention of how difficult
>it was to sleep, with the windows WIDE open with the ceiling fan on full
>and still sweating (had to sleep it off on the beach later that day). And
>I'm sure I never got around to describing the application of cool suntan
>oil onto one's back by beautiful strangers with funny accents who were, by
>the way, half naked. And no mention of wonderfully mixxed marguiritas on
>the beach- before noon.
>
>Did I mention the water was 81 degrees?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Frank
>
>Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
>American Museum of Natural History

No Frank you Beach rat you didn't as I burrr..... here in Ohio

Liz......

Elizabeth G. Sieferd
EGS Design Group
4323 S. Section Line Rd Delaware, Ohio
Phone 614. 881. 6012
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>Speaking of museums, the one for which I have been volunteering my
>time in the hopes of eventually getting paid has decided that I should
>indeed get paid - of course, the catch is that the director has asked
>me if I know of any potential funding sources to which she could send
>grant applications for the geology exhibits. Does anyone have any
>suggestions?
>
>I'm working on some block illustrations which will show the rock
>layers underneath, as well as the surface so people can readily relate
>to the chosen locations. I'd like to add a bit of 3-D relief to the
>illustrations for interest. Would epoxy products work better for
>vertical displays  (i.e., in terms of staying put and not eventually
>sliding off the panel)?
>
>Cindy


Cindy

if the Public has access to it pin bolt them in. Otherwise you will be
missing your exhibit with in six months. Are you planning on painting them,
Adding color addatives?
Have you considered casting a negative of like surfaces, and then casting a
positive.

There are a number of resources for generating funding Cindy but you need
to becareful.
If you raise the funds and then get the work it can be considered a
conflict of interest and can get your organization into trouble later on.
Especially if there are union labor involved.

Liz

Elizabeth G. Sieferd
EGS Design Group
4323 S. Section Line Rd Delaware, Ohio
Phone 614. 881. 6012
Fax 614. 881. 4389
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Subject: Museum antics


Liz:

My cousin sent this to me. I thought you'd appreciate it.

Noel

Ok, the story behind this... There's this nutball who digs things out
>his back yard and sends the stuff he finds to the Smithsonian Institute,
>labeling them with scientific names, insisting that they are actual
>archeological finds. The really weird thing about these letters is that
>this guy really exists and does this in his spare time!
>
>Anyway... here's a letter from the Smithsonian Institute from when he
>sent them a Barbie doll head.
>
> --------------
>
>Paleoanthropology Division
>Smithsonian Institute
>207 Pennsylvania Avenue
>Washington, DC 20078
>
>Dear Sir:
>
>Thank you for your latest submission to the Institute, labeled "211-D,
>layer seven, next to the clothesline post. Hominid skull." We have given
>this specimen a careful and detailed examination, and regret to inform
>you that we disagree with your theory that it, represents "conclusive
>proof of the presence of Early Man in Charleston County two million
>years ago." Rather, it appears that what you have found is the head of a
>Barbie doll, of the variety one of our staff, who has small children,
>believes to be the "Malibu Barbie". It is evident that you have given a
>great deal of thought to the analysis of this specimen, and you may be
>quite certain that those of us who are familiar with your prior work in
>the field were loathe to come to contradiction with your findings.
>However, we do feel that there are a number of physical attributes of
>the specimen which might have tipped you off to it's modern origin:
>
>1. The material is molded plastic. Ancient hominid remains are typically
>fossilized bone.
>
>2. The cranial capacity of the specimen is approximately 9 cubic
>centimeters, well below the threshold of even the earliest identified
>proto-hominids.
>
>3. The dentition pattern evident on the "skull" is more consistent with
>the
>common domesticated dog than it is with the "ravenous man-eating
>Pliocene clams" you speculate roamed the wetlands during that time. This
>latter finding is certainly one of the most intriguing hypotheses you
>have submitted in your history with this institution, but the evidence
>seems to weigh rather heavily against it. Without going into too much
>detail, let us say that:
>
>A. The specimen looks like the head of a Barbie doll that a dog has
>chewed on.
>
>B. Clams don't have teeth.
>
>It is with feelings tinged with melancholy that we must deny your
>request to have the specimen carbon dated. This is partially due to the
>heavy load our lab must bear in it's normal operation, and partly due to
>carbon dating's notorious inaccuracy in fossils of recent geologic
>record. To the best of our knowledge, no Barbie dolls were produced
>prior to 1956 AD, and carbon dating is likely to produce wildly
>inaccurate results. Sadly, we must also deny your request that we
>approach the National Science Foundation's Phylogeny Department with the
>concept of assigning your specimen the scientific name "Australopithecus
>spiff-arino." Speaking personally, I, for one, fought tenaciously for
>the acceptance of your proposed taxonomy, but was ultimately voted down
>because the species name you selected was hyphenated, and didn't really
>sound like it might be Latin.
>
>However, we gladly accept your generous donation of this fascinating
>specimen to the museum. While it is undoubtedly not a hominid fossil, it
>is, nonetheless, yet another riveting example of the great body of work
>you
>seem to accumulate here so effortlessly. You should know that our
>Director has reserved a special shelf in his own office for the display
>of the specimens you have previously submitted to the Institution, and
>the entire staff speculates daily on what you will happen upon next in
>your digs at the site you have discovered in your back yard. We eagerly
>anticipate your trip to our nation's capital that you proposed in your
>last letter, and several of us are pressing the Director to pay for it.
>We are particularly interested in hearing you expand on your theories
>surrounding the "trans-positating fillifitation of ferrous ions in a
>structural matrix" that makes the excellent juvenile Tyrannosaurus rex
>femur you recently discovered take on the deceptive appearance of a
>rusty 9-mm Sears Craftsman automotive crescent wrench.
>
>Yours in Science,
>Harvey Rowe
>Curator, Antiquities

Elizabeth G. Sieferd
EGS Design Group
4323 S. Section Line Rd Delaware, Ohio
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>  Even for people who know HTML like me, I prefer
>>PageMill because I Save a LOT of TIME without having to write HTML. Any
>>suggestions?
>
>Make sure you discuss the things which Pagemill may put in a HTML file that
>can cause Problems when the go on the actual server.
>
>Britt Griswold
>Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
>Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
>Greenbelt, MD 20771
>USA
>[log in to unmask]


Hey Britt-
Using Page Mill for the web page. Any quick clues I should know about?
This is my first time using it I am using version 2.0

Thanks Liz

Elizabeth G. Sieferd
EGS Design Group
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Phone 614. 881. 6012
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Hi, All -
	I've been on this listserv for about a week now, and I have to say how
much I enjoy reading all the back-and-forth about warm-weather vacations
and harbor seals and the like, not to mention the projects everyone is
working on, techniques, questions, information, etc.  The "Malibu
Barbie" letter, however, has to be the highlight so far.  
	There are no other GNSI members (or potential members) in my immediate
area, and I've only made it to one National meeting (in Ann Arbor many
years ago), so it's nice to be able to "chat", or at least listen in,
with the rest of you.  Especially since I recognize so many names from
the newsletter.
	It's nice to start the day with a laugh, and a few letters from
colleagues.
Gail Guth
Battle Creek, MI
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Liz,
When using PageMill, make sure you keep you html docs and image files
together in the same folder or in relative folders. When PageMill creates a
link path, it creates the path on your hard-drive as the path, so when you
move the pages to the server, your links might not work. So what we try to
stress, is that you create a folder and then stick everything in that
folder that you are going to use (including gifs and jpegs). This way
Pagemill creates a relative path within the folder. SO when you move
eveything to t he server, you won't have to worry about broken links!
(SiteMill automatically corrects this, but PageMill doesn't)

And Tables, are they a snap!Just point and click!

It has some GREAT frame capabilities too!Just hold the option/apple keys
down and drag the frame over from the side of the page. ITS GREAT!ImageMaps
are a snap!Just double click on a graphic and you can draw the clickable
spaces and put in the link.

PageMill is drop and drag. YOu can drop and drag movies, sounds, Midis,
QTVR, graphics right onto the page. Saves me MU-CHO time!!

Also....in your preferences-what out what you resource folder is set to!

GOod Luck!Polly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
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University of Nebraska
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>>>>Really Bad Cannibal Jokes -
>>>>
>>>>- Two cannibals are eating a clown. One says to the other, "Does this taste
>>>>    funny to you?"
>>>>
>>>>-When do cannibals leave the table?
>>>>     When everyone's eaten.
>>>>
>>>>-What is a cannibal's favorite type of TV show?
>>>>     A celebrity roast.
>>>>
>>>>-Where do cannibals shop for fine furniture?
>>>>    Eatin' Allen's.
>>>>
>>>>-What did the cannibal give his wife for Valentine's Day?
>>>>    A box of farmer's fannies.
>>>>
>>>>-What do cannibals eat for dessert?
>>>>    Chocolate covered aunts.
>>>>
>>>>-What do cannibals make out of politicians?
>>>>    Bologna sandwiches.
>>>>
>>>>-What did the cannibal get when he was late for dinner?
>>>>    The cold shoulder.
>>>>
>>>>-What is a cannibal's favorite game?
>>>>    Swallow the leader.
>>>>
>>>>-Have you heard about the cannibal restaurant?
>>>>    Dinner costs an arm and a leg.
>>>>
>>>>-Did you hear about the cannibal who loved fast food?
>>>>    He ordered a pizza with everybody on it.
>>>>
>>>>-Did you hear about the cannibal who was expelled from school
>>>>    for buttering up his teacher?
>>>>
>>>>-Cannibal: One who loves his fellow man with gravy.
>>>>
>>>>-Cannibal's recipe book: How to Serve Your Fellow Man.
>>>>
>>>>-One cannibal to another: I never met a man I didn't like.
>>>>
>>>>-Two cannibals were sitting by a fire. The first says, "Gee, I hate my
>>>>mother-in-law."
>>>>    The 2nd replies, "So, try the potatoes.
>>>>
>>>>-The first cannibal asked the 2nd cannibal, "Aren't you done eating yet?"
>The
>>>>2nd cannibal replied, "I'm on my last leg now."
>>>>
>>>>-One day a cannibal visited the neighboring island of cannibals. There,
>>>>people cost $2 but politicians cost $25.  The visiting cannibal asked, "How
>>>>come politicians cost so much?"
>>>>The chief answered, "Do you know how hard it is to clean one of those?"
>>>>
>>>>-A man gets captured by cannibals and every day they poke him with spears
>and
>>>>use his blood to wash down their food.  Finally the guy calls the chief
>over
>>>>and says, "You can kill me or you can eat me, but I'm tired of getting
>stuck
>>>>for drinks"


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>>  Even for people who know HTML like me, I prefer
>>>PageMill because I Save a LOT of TIME without having to write HTML. Any
>>>suggestions?
>>
>>Make sure you discuss the things which Pagemill may put in a HTML file that
>>can cause Problems when the go on the actual server.
>>Britt Griswold
>Hey Britt-
>Using Page Mill for the web page. Any quick clues I should know about?
>This is my first time using it I am using version 2.0
>
>Thanks Liz
>
>Elizabeth G. Sieferd

I only know what I read and hear.  Haven't used Pagemill 2.0 yet,  I hear
there are still some things that may cause problems if left in the HTML
code, but I don't know specifics.
Britt

Britt Griswold
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Well gosh! Gee! I guess I know who NOT to share my pictures with!
(oh, and by the way, they came out just beautifully) At least I can
remember such a wonderfully warm experience as the temperatures here in D.C.
have dropped too! ;)
>>>>
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To all those languishing in the sun:

May the fleas from a thousand beaches invade your swimwear!>>>>

Oh, now that's disgusting!
:)

Jennifer Fairman
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NMNH, Smithsonian
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> >Anyway... here's a letter from the Smithsonian Institute from when he
> >sent them a Barbie doll head.

I will be giggling a long time over this one! Thanks.

-Catherine

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>May the fleas from a thousand beaches invade your swimwear!

Swimwear? Swimwear? You mean we were supposed to wear something?

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Hi all:

My little pea brain has hatched an idea and, while not wanting to step on
any Santa Cruz toes, here it is:

I would like to see something like a cross between a portfolio sharing and
poster papers  or <Small Art> for computer art specifically.  Now maybe
this can be done just as part of the portfolio sharing, but I know there
are plenty of us (?most) who have traditional art in their portfolios.
Personally I want to see computer art done by each and every one of you.
Here we sit talking all winter, I could use some visual props.

And I really want to see everyone's work, even if, heaven forbid, you can't
make it to Santa Cruz.  So We (OK, if the powers that be wish, I will do
this) should endeavor to collect stuff from people that can't make it.
While I don't promise to frame this stuff, like Ed did for small art, it
could be displayed in vinyl or something.

I am not looking for cool stuff only.  I just want to find out what is out
there.  Of course I am looking for cool stuff too.

And I am not trying to claim this idea, I just realize it would be very
useful to me.  Perhaps it already is in the works???

-Clara

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Great Idea CLara,
A web page, a web page.....I hear a call for a web page!!!

POlly



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>Great Idea CLara,
>A web page, a web page.....I hear a call for a web page!!!
>
>POlly
>
But Polly, (Hi there you)  I want to see some print stuff, final output,
whatever it is, lazer copy, printed material, service bureau output.  I
know you think I live in the dark ages (my stepson thinks I was born in the
Jurassic)), having an interest in paper, but paper does have a place.

I am interested in a Web site, don't get me wrong, but actual (not virtual)
meetings are the one place we can all see paper.

Cheers,
Clara


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>Miriam the Columbus College of Art & Design  Web site address is
>(http//www.ccad.edu)
>I am working on the summer page in page mill. CCAD specializes in comercial
>art and design. The Visual Communication Dept is the largest dept on
>campus, and we are in the process of developing curriculum in botanical and
>zoological illustration for the sciences as well as all commercial markets.
>We work very closely with Disney, Imagineering, Hallmark, American
>Greetings, Industrial Light and Magic, etc. The visual communication dept
>is broken into a number of market focuses from print publication,
>advertising, zoological and botanical. We also have a very strong
>Industrial Design Dept, focusing product design, exhibit etc.
>GNSI is holding it's workshop at the college this summer and 98.
>
>Have a happy Liz
>
>Elizabeth G. Sieferd
>EGS Design Group
>4323 S. Section Line Rd Delaware, Ohio
>Phone 614. 881. 6012
>Fax 614. 881. 4389
>Email [log in to unmask]

Thank you so much for explaining.  I had visions of a 3-D cad web site when
you first mentioned it.  Your program sounds wonderful.  Ruefully I don't
think I'll get to go the next GNSI meeting, so I hope everyone is patient
when I ask questions best asked in those workshops.  Thanks again, Miriam
>
>
>
>"Build your castle in the sky, but put a firm foundation under it."
>
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>

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Clara,
Yeah, I know.....Print docs would be better,but what can you do!A virual
gallery would be cool!I'm spoiled with my university network connection! I
REALLY enjoy seeing other people's web pages. Pat Schories was AWSOME! and
Darcy's and Jaynies, and so on and so on! I would love to be able see other
people's work too! Isn't there going to be a section in the show for
computer art?

How are the bugs coming along these days?Polly



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The
>purpose of this illustration would be to give an overview of the
>different volcanic and tectonic influences affecting our region (the
>Columbia Plateau) - interestingly, all of those points lie in a
>straight E-W line!

What thoroughly interesting projects Cindy.......I wish you lots of
deadline time on them!! : )  And mucho inspiration!!

Jaynie




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The
>purpose of this illustration would be to give an overview of the
>different volcanic and tectonic influences affecting our region (the
>Columbia Plateau) - interestingly, all of those points lie in a
>straight E-W line!

uh oh Norm.......I just got out my world atlas and tracked these
lines and guess where they lead.....  right to SUNY College at Brockport!!
Are your ions feeling conflicted Norm?  Getting a bit headachy
recently??  Its that magnetic north pull conflicting with the ole
E-W tectonic plate shift induction fields!!  I suggest lots of long
hot Calgon baths..........then rub your head with very virgin olive
oil to cause field interference...may get some relief that way, but
only if you practice this religiously.    : )     Jaynie




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>>Also the foldout map/centerpiece of that issue is quite a stunner......I
>>believe it is intitled THE DAWN OF MAN......quite a masterpiece and appears
>>to be mostly board illustrated.........
>>
>>Jaynie
>>
>That  Painting was done by John Gurche,  who gave the key note speech at
>last summers GNSI Meeting.  He is well known to our Washington DC Members.
>He did much of his research and painting around the National Museum of
>natural History for 8 years or so.  Now he feeelances in the Denver area.

thanks Britt!! I knew that name looked *very* familiar!   Jaynie


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Hi Liz - thanks for your reply and your suggestions. At this point, 
I'm still in the research and design phase and have a few sketches 
done, but haven't yet decided on the final media and materials. The 
casting idea is a good one. 

The museum was formerly funded by the DOE, but with the cutbacks has 
lost that funding; it has since come under the umbrella of a large 
non-profit organization, with the museum director now having the added 
responsibility of beating the bushes for funding - new to her, since 
everything was formerly funded. Coming out from under the government's 
control has enabled us to expand beyond the Hanford realm, and add 
other subjects - plus be able to say what we want. At the present time 
there is a skeleton crew - NO union labor involved. There is a lot of 
community support, and at the time I joined, I volunteered to do *an 
exhibit* just for the PR, plus the experience of doing exhibit work 
(my experience is limited in this area). There are a couple of other 
retired-type guys experienced in exhibits who are employees of the 
museum, as well as an exhibit director who is well trained, but who 
will soon be moving back to Connecticut.

Sorry about my rambling - at any rate, since becoming involved with 
the one exhibit, I've had a lot of ideas for related exhibits, about 
which they've gotten real excited. Our geographic area has an 
incredible amount of geological and natural historical interest. So 
now they're wanting me to research my ideas, come up with designs and 
illustrations for these exhibits. Of course it would be impossible for 
me to do all that work without compensation, which brings us to the 
funding query. I have no interest in getting involved with exhibit 
funding - that is their job - but I did tell her that I would check 
with the listserv to see if anyone could provide some ideas about 
potential funding resources.

The conflict of interest issue has crossed my mind. I am reluctant to 
do much of anything beyond the one exhibit (for which I was 
volunteering my time, but now they want to pay me for that one, too. 
If they can get the money, great, but if they don't, the PR and 
experience will be fine - and I haven't told them that!). For the 
other exhibits, I realize that it will help in getting funding to have 
plans and sketches available, but on the other hand, I don't want to 
do all the research and design work just for them to get funding, and 
then the work possibly having to be "bidded out" - what if I get 
underbidded? 

I feel confident it wouldn't come to that, but one never knows - so I 
have spoken with my lawyer about coming up with some sort of agreement 
to the effect that I retain the rights to the artwork, and it is to be 
used solely for obtaining funding. After funding is secured, we start 
over - if I don't get the work, then they can buy the rights from me - 
or pay someone else for the extra hundreds of hours it'll take them to 
start all over again. Again, I have a friendly relationship with the 
director, and I've discussed these concerns and she is in agreement, 
so hopefully it won't come to that - but. The legal agreement isn't 
yet put together, so if any of you all out there have any comments 
and/or suggestions, they'd be most welcome.

The other thing is that there are hopes to build a much larger and 
nicer building right on the Columbia River, and to make it a major 
regional facility during the next 5 or so years. There are also plans 
for educational outreach, for which the possibility of designing and 
illustrating educational materials (my specialty) is tremendous. There 
is incredible potential for this museum, and I'm anxious to be 
involved long-term - so I don't want to do anything inappropriate.

Liz, you mentioned that there are a number of resources for generating 
funding - do you have any specifics? I would just forward them on to 
the director and not be involved from that point. Again, since she 
hasn't had to do the grant thing before, she just wanted ideas.

Thanks for wading through all this!

Cindy
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Jaynie Martz wrote:

> >Columbia Plateau) - interestingly, all of those points lie in a
> >straight E-W line!
> 
> What thoroughly interesting projects Cindy.......I wish you lots of
> deadline time on them!! : )  And mucho inspiration!!
> 
> Jaynie
> 

Thanks, Jaynie, for the confidence builder! But I'm worried, now -  
will Norm's ions cause a shift in those plate shift induction fields? 
Will that affect us here? Should I extend that transect to include 
Brockport?   :-)

Cindy
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Catherine Sexton wrote:
> 
> > >Anyway... here's a letter from the Smithsonian Institute from when he
> > >sent them a Barbie doll head.
> 
> I will be giggling a long time over this one! Thanks.
> 
> -Catherine


Ditto!

Cindy
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>Thanks, Jaynie, for the confidence builder! But I'm worried, now -
>will Norm's ions cause a shift in those plate shift induction fields?
>Will that affect us here? Should I extend that transect to include
>Brockport?   :-)

Could it be true that Norm has such awesome ionic powers?? Whew!!
And where might he unleash them???  Better get some olive oil
for your head too!!  : )    Cheers....Jaynie







Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
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Frank Ippolito wrote:
> 
> >May the fleas from a thousand beaches invade your swimwear!
> 
> Swimwear? Swimwear? You mean we were supposed to wear something?
> 
> Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
> American Museum of Natural History


Oooooh - better access for those fleas getting to even more 
interesting places!

:-) Cindy
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>Thanks, Jaynie, for the confidence builder! But I'm worried, now -
>will Norm's ions cause a shift in those plate shift induction fields?
>Will that affect us here? Should I extend that transect to include
>Brockport?   :-)

sounds a bit abNORMal doesn't it???  Jaynie




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>But I'm worried, now -
>will Norm's ions cause a shift in those plate shift induction fields?

No sweat, Cindy. During a recent GNSI meeting, I spied Norm chanting a
mantra (neeeeeeewwssssslettteeerrrrrrrrrr) and appling olive oil in the
appropriate manner. However, I am unsure what the effects of all that
garlic will be <g>.

Frank

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Jaynie Martz wrote:

> Could it be true that Norm has such awesome ionic powers?? Whew!!
> And where might he unleash them???  Better get some olive oil
> for your head too!!  : )    Cheers....Jaynie


I should perhaps provide olive oil as part of the exhibit itself - 
just in case viewers experience any of those abNORMal sensations! 
Would you recommend the first cold pressing of the extra virgin 
variety?

Cheers yourself!!
Cindy
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Frank Ippolito wrote:

> 
> No sweat, Cindy. During a recent GNSI meeting, I spied Norm chanting a
> mantra (neeeeeeewwssssslettteeerrrrrrrrrr) and appling olive oil in the
> appropriate manner. However, I am unsure what the effects of all that
> garlic will be <g>.
> 
> Frank


Should keep the vampires at bay! Thanks for the reassuring words, 
Frank
<lol> 

Cindy
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Thanks Polly
Liz

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Britt, FYI

Beth Willert has been doing intensive training in the programs HTML
and other web programs.

:)  Liz

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>
>I am not looking for cool stuff only.  I just want to find out what is out
>there.  Of course I am looking for cool stuff too.
>
>And I am not trying to claim this idea, I just realize it would be very
>useful to me.  Perhaps it already is in the works???
>
>-Clara
>
>Clara R. Simpson
>Illustrator, Dept. of Zoology
>Field Museum


Cool idea

Liz

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Clara I can out put dye subs which make art look awesome @ 20.00 per
tabloid page
and since it is for the Guild I 'll knock off a couple of bucks.

Liz


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>Jaynie Martz wrote:
>
>> >Columbia Plateau) - interestingly, all of those points lie in a
>> >straight E-W line!
>>
>> What thoroughly interesting projects Cindy.......I wish you lots of
>> deadline time on them!! : )  And mucho inspiration!!
>>
>> Jaynie
>>
>
>Thanks, Jaynie, for the confidence builder! But I'm worried, now -
>will Norm's ions cause a shift in those plate shift induction fields?
>Will that affect us here? Should I extend that transect to include
>Brockport?   :-)
>
>Cindy


Norm just don't  sit to close to your computer,   the static electricity
from the screen may react with your out of place ions and you could remain
that way perminantly.

:) Liz

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>>But I'm worried, now -
>>will Norm's ions cause a shift in those plate shift induction fields?
>
>No sweat, Cindy. During a recent GNSI meeting, I spied Norm chanting a
>mantra (neeeeeeewwssssslettteeerrrrrrrrrr) and appling olive oil in the
>appropriate manner. However, I am unsure what the effects of all that
>garlic will be <g>.
>
>Frank
>
>Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
>American Museum of Natural History

Norm will magnetically attract Italians

If Norms ions are out of whack should he run for office?
Would that mean he could be electron?

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Perhaps Norm this would be an excellent time to sudy physics, then you
could be a Newton.
<G>
Liz

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Please forgive me for having my head in the ground, but I'm not sure what to
ask for...
My list of fonts in the menus are all in the same default typeface.  What
makes the name of a font appear in the same style of its own characters?
 I've seen it on another mac, what am I looking for?

Thanks, and thanks for the laughs.  If I can find it, one day I'll put up the
story of the meteorites and the meteorwrongs.
Darcy
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Darcy -
My fonts started showing up in their own characters when I upgraded to
Claris 4.0.
Gail
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Darcy wrote:
>My list of fonts in the menus are all in the same default typeface.  What
>makes the name of a font appear in the same style of its own characters?
> I've seen it on another mac, what am I looking for?

Adobe Type Reunion will display typefaces in families... so if you
highlight Times, for example, a submenu will appear that lists roman,
italic, bold, and bold italic. Typefaces will also display in the font
style. There is some kind of conflict and this doesn't always work... I
don't remember the conflict - it might have something to do with Quark.

I also believe (but am not certain) that Adobe Type Manager 4.0 will do the
same thing (as well as adding fonts on the fly). I think this has been
released for Windows, but am not sure if it is available for Macintosh.

Hope that helps.



Karen Ackoff
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Hi, all - I've had ATM 4.0 on order since mid-summer; the rep at Image
club assures me that it will be in the warehouse next neek (for Mac), so
they must be shipping finally.
-Gail
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Darcy wrote:
>My list of fonts in the menus are all in the same default typeface.  What
>makes the name of a font appear in the same style of its own characters?
> I've seen it on another mac, what am I looking for?

view the fonts by icon, click on the suitcase, choose one of the font sizes,
and a little (and i do mean little) window opens up on your screen with a
sample of that font in it. if you want to print out a whole reference of all
your fonts, you can download a thing called The Type Book (which i'm still
having trouble figuring out).

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Howdy from beautiful crisp cold Michigan. The sun is shinning outside and
chickadees are hopping around in the snow eating birdseed outside my
window. Water temperature here under the ice must be close to 32!

I've got a question about slide printers. We want something to print slides
directly from graphic files. Does anyone out there have experience with
these things and is there a brand that is particularly desirable?? Plus,
what is the price range for slide printers?


Cheers

John Megahan
Museum of Zoology
University of Michigan


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Are you talking about film recorders? If so, I'll put some thoughts
together about my experiences with the LaserGraphics products. I spent 6
1/2 years working with 2 different models from LaserGraphics. On the
whole, I thought they were quite good units.

-Catherine

On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, John Megahan wrote:

> Howdy from beautiful crisp cold Michigan. The sun is shinning outside and
> chickadees are hopping around in the snow eating birdseed outside my
> window. Water temperature here under the ice must be close to 32!
> 
> I've got a question about slide printers. We want something to print slides
> directly from graphic files. Does anyone out there have experience with
> these things and is there a brand that is particularly desirable?? Plus,
> what is the price range for slide printers?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> John Megahan
> Museum of Zoology
> University of Michigan
> 
> 

========================================================================
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Multimedia Services Coordinator

Academic Technologies, Facilities & Multimedia Services
Academic Computing Services, The University of Chicago
email: [log in to unmask]; Multimedia Services (773)834-4499
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Subject: Re: Slide Printers

John.
We are having a heat wave down here in Nebraska...supposed to be up to mid
20's today. Are we excited!!!

Our office uses 2 Agfa PCR II film recorders. Last year we used them to
image 20,000 slides from most any Windows and Mac graphics programs. Quality
is excellent. These units start at $12,000 each (I think) plus the software
and the computer to run them. What kind of volume are you going to do? What
is your price range? Let me know if you have more detailed questions!

Lana 


At 11:47 AM 1/30/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Howdy from beautiful crisp cold Michigan. The sun is shinning outside and
>chickadees are hopping around in the snow eating birdseed outside my
>window. Water temperature here under the ice must be close to 32!
>
>I've got a question about slide printers. We want something to print slides
>directly from graphic files. Does anyone out there have experience with
>these things and is there a brand that is particularly desirable?? Plus,
>what is the price range for slide printers?
>
>
>Cheers
>
>John Megahan
>Museum of Zoology
>University of Michigan
>
>
>
Lana Johnson
Graphics Specialist
CIT, Visuals and Multimedia
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Lincoln, NE 68583-0918
(402) 472-3025

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>Would you recommend the first cold pressing of the extra virgin
>variety?

Indubidubly (sp)!!  : )  The murkier the better......

Cindy, can you give us a brief description of your underwater classes?
This subject is fascinating to me.......What are the prerequisites, if any.
Scuba certification, advanced photography level, etc?  And do you really
come in contact with an occassional seal? They look like cute little
wet puppy dogs but I keep reading that they are very curious and
agressive and don't mind nipping just for the fun of it.

THanks....Jaynie


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Thanks Lana

Wow that's nice weather!

$12,000 huh. Hmmmmm...

Well I'm going to have to do some talking to the bigwigs around here and
find out what kind of budget they can afford. I'll be gettin back to you.

Cheers
John Megahan
Museum of Zoology
University of Michigan


>John.
>We are having a heat wave down here in Nebraska...supposed to be up to mid
>20's today. Are we excited!!!
>
>Our office uses 2 Agfa PCR II film recorders. Last year we used them to
>image 20,000 slides from most any Windows and Mac graphics programs. Quality
>is excellent. These units start at $12,000 each (I think) plus the software
>and the computer to run them. What kind of volume are you going to do? What
>is your price range? Let me know if you have more detailed questions!
>
>Lana


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Thanks Catherine

Again I'll get back to you when I know more!


John Megahan
Museum of Zoology
University of Michigan

>Are you talking about film recorders? If so, I'll put some thoughts
>together about my experiences with the LaserGraphics products. I spent 6
>1/2 years working with 2 different models from LaserGraphics. On the
>whole, I thought they were quite good units.
>
>-Catherine


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>Our office uses 2 Agfa PCR II film recorders. Last year we used them to
>image 20,000 slides from most any Windows and Mac graphics programs. Quality
>is excellent. These units start at $12,000 each (I think) plus the software
>and the computer to run them. What kind of volume are you going to do? What
>is your price range? Let me know if you have more detailed questions!
>

Saphire 35mm film recorders are suppose to be very good, trouble free.  But
cost more ($17,000)

You will need RIP software and a work station to image with.  This is a
high production avenue. Are you looking for that or a smaller cheaper
setup.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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> Thanks Catherine
> 
> Again I'll get back to you when I know more!
> 
Just so you know as your sorting through options, we used the
Lasergraphics Mark II which also images from both Windows programs and
Macs. You can get details by going to their Web site:

http://www.lasergraphics.com

One caveat - I found their customer support to be pretty loathsome, but
it's been a few years since I was last in contact, and maybe things are
better - maybe they just hated me because I called them all the time!

-Catherine

========================================================================
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Multimedia Services Coordinator

Academic Technologies, Facilities & Multimedia Services
Academic Computing Services, The University of Chicago
email: [log in to unmask]; Multimedia Services (773)834-4499
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========================================================================


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If you are looking for something smaller, my husband uses a cheaper
Poloroid unit and has been pleased with its performance - though he's not
as critical about every little image wierdness as I am. If you want to
know about that, I can find out what he's using.

Do you also want to use it to generate film negatives? B&W and color?

-Catherine

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Multimedia Services Coordinator

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>Just so you know as your sorting through options, we used the
>Lasergraphics Mark II which also images from both Windows programs and
>Macs. You can get details by going to their Web site:
>
>http://www.lasergraphics.com
>
>One caveat - I found their customer support to be pretty loathsome, but
>it's been a few years since I was last in contact, and maybe things are
>better - maybe they just hated me because I called them all the time!
>
>-Catherine



We USED (and that is a big USED TO) to have Lasergraphics LFR. It broke down
about ever 3-4 months for the 4 years we tried to use it. It got so bad we
could pretty much schedule our downtimes ahead of time and warn people. We
had a service contract for it but it was like $2000 to $3000 a year!  There
are many models of the Agfa models...from the desktop variety (cost less) to
the floor models (which is what we have). Look under their web site...I
think it is www.agfa or something like that. We have excellent luck with
these machines. We have a guy in our office that is quite versed in the
options of these machines, so let me know what kind of information you need
and we'll get it for ya! 
Lana


Lana Johnson
Graphics Specialist
CIT, Visuals and Multimedia
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Lincoln, NE 68583-0918
(402) 472-3025

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All the info is great. It gives me a lot to talk about at the next staff
meeting. Hope they don't gag on their lunches when I tell them the price. I
think they were hoping for something along the lines of $5000-$6000.

Cheers

John Megahan
Museum of Zoology
University of Michigan


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Has anyone done anything with Adobe Persuasion? I have the program but 
haven't had time to mess with it, yet. You're supposed to be able to 
print 35mm transparencies with your ink jet color printer - that might 
be a bit cheaper than 12,000 bucks.

Cindy
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Jaynie - You're asking for a BRIEF description of my UW Photog 
classes??? Oh boy, that's going to be a challenge - I seem to be 
afflicted with a case of motormouthery lately! But I'll give it a 
"shot"...

SCUBA certification is a good idea - it doesn't matter if you've got 
advanced certification, but good buoyancy control is essential.

A good knowledge of the general principles of photography helps. The 
underwater environment is a whole different ball of wax, though, and 
is affected by light absorption, visibility, etc. The trick to good UW 
photog is getting close enough to the subject to get a good 
composition, but also to get a good exposure; therefore your UW 
lighting and knowing what type of lens to use in a given situation is 
crucial. Jim Church's "Essential Guide to Nikonos Systems" is the 
reference book I recommend - he presents the material very well - even 
if you don't use the Nikonos system, it's good background. I use a 
Nikonos, as well as a couple of housed cameras - there are advantages 
and drawbacks to each system, but I make my camera decisions based on 
UW conditions and known subject matter on any given dive.

You run into everything in Puget Sound - even an occasional pod of 
Orca! Seals are rampant, depending on the location. I'm looking 
forward to heading up there tomorrow - I'll be looking for giant 
octopi and wolf eels this time!

Hope that was brief enough!
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You might want to check out Agfa ProColor Premier.

Good Luck,
-ag

> > I've got a question about slide printers. We want something to print 
slides
> > directly from graphic files. Does anyone out there have experience with
> > these things and is there a brand that is particularly desirable?? Plus,
> > what is the price range for slide printers?
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > John Megahan
> > Museum of Zoology
> > University of Michigan
> > 
> > 
> 
> ==========================================================
> ==============
> Catherine Sexton
> Multimedia Services Coordinator
> 
> Academic Technologies, Facilities & Multimedia Services
> Academic Computing Services, The University of Chicago
> email: [log in to unmask]; Multimedia Services 
> (773)834-4499
> C.Sexton (773)834-0028; fax:(773)702-3219
> ==========================================================
> ==============
> 
> 
> 
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Hi everybody,

I'm one of the quieter ones on this list but...

I wondered if any of you have been to Key West or any of the Florida Keys for
that matter?  Do you know of some quiet places to sketch - or some neat
people to contact down there involved in the art community?  I'm going this
weekend.

I'm thinking of relocating down that way. 

Thanks for any help!

Margie Scanlon
Steppingstone 

(P.S.  I help arrange Virge Kask and Bev Benner's workshops in Belize - next
one in October!  Details out in the next week or two.)
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Hi Cindy - I'm just getting my head above the drafting table again.  

The Artist Residencies I'm in involved with are part of state funded art 
education programs. These programs maintain a roster of artists available to 
K-12 schools.  The programs have competitive application processes. Many states 
have these programs. But the residencies are only partially funded by the 
programs, the other portion is raised by the school systems.   How easily you 
actually get residencies varies according to the programs.

I am on three rosters as a natural science illustrator.  I go out to schools 
usually for 2-4 weeks and teach a multi-disciplinary unit, combining art and 
science. I bring a nature object collection and teach drawing technique 
(stressing accuracy), observational skills, and always include some technique 
that teaches color use. 

In this state the residencies must also include a teacher's in-service which 
transfers the ideas you have in a more method-to-my madness way than they would 
observe in the classroom.  It also requires a community event which builds the 
awareness and need for art education at the parental/community level. 

Without taking up a good deal of space here, I love teaching and really enjoy 
the success children can enjoy and the sensitivity they develop in my short time
with them for the beauty and complexity of nature. It has also fed into my 
creativity and abilities as an illustrator. The next GNSI Journal will be a 
Proceedings publication from the presentations given at our 1996 annual 
conference in Washington DC.  My presentation and resulting article explains 
these programs in depth.  So watch for that issue - we hope to see it soon!  We 
have a new Journal editor (Joe Trumpey) and this is a large issue to put 
together. Hope this satisfies your inquiry a bit.  Take care...Kris Kirkeby

"I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues"  Duke Ellington
Kris Kirkeby   Kirkeby Illustrations   St. Paul, Minnesota

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>
>Thanks for wading through all this!
>
>Cindy


Yes I do but please forgive me for this brief reply I am on a tight dead
line and I will look at my souces and forward the appropriate info.

My Aunt is very involved in fund rasing in Chicago, for several Museums and
has warned me on numerous occasion that even giving a lead to a potential
client could later bring legal action upon me. There is a specific term for
it and I am brain dead at the moment. Just be careful. Especially if that
non profit is about to expand they will be under watch full eyes.

Contractors, governmental agencies, etc. There are lot of cover ups that go
hand in hand with private non profits and subed labor and fund rasing
resouces are carefully monitored. Private non profits are required to be
monitored by out side parties, these days. I am just, learning about all
the private non profit law, and grants, scholarship, fundrasing issues.

Got to get back to the grind stone

Liz



Elizabeth G. Sieferd
EGS Design Group
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Subject: Re: Slide Printers

>Howdy from beautiful crisp cold Michigan. The sun is shinning outside and
>chickadees are hopping around in the snow eating birdseed outside my
>window. Water temperature here under the ice must be close to 32!
>
>I've got a question about slide printers. We want something to print slides
>directly from graphic files. Does anyone out there have experience with
>these things and is there a brand that is particularly desirable?? Plus,
>what is the price range for slide printers?
>
>
>Cheers
>
>John Megahan
>Museum of Zoology
>University of Michigan

Yes we print 4x5's, and slides also burn CD Roms

I would be happy to forward information to you about the extensive services
we offer at the Creative Network.
Liz

Elizabeth G. Sieferd
EGS Design Group
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>Howdy from beautiful crisp cold Michigan. The sun is shinning outside and
>chickadees are hopping around in the snow eating birdseed outside my
>window. Water temperature here under the ice must be close to 32!
>
>I've got a question about slide printers. We want something to print slides
>directly from graphic files. Does anyone out there have experience with
>these things and is there a brand that is particularly desirable?? Plus,
>what is the price range for slide printers?

I for got to mention that we can get the equipment for you also , contact
me for details.
>
>
>Cheers
>
>John Megahan
>Museum of Zoology
>University of Michigan

Elizabeth G. Sieferd
EGS Design Group
4323 S. Section Line Rd Delaware, Ohio
Phone 614. 881. 6012
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I have an alias in the apple menu of my Macintosh called Keycaps.  When you
open it, it diplays fonts as they are seen on screen.  This is also good for
symbol fonts, like Carta. You can click on the virtual keyboard in Carta and
the symbol is displayed on the virtual screen.  I f you have this, it could
be useful for viewing fonts.

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Midwest Educational Graphics
Madison, WI
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Amelia Janes wrote:
>I have an alias in the apple menu of my Macintosh called Keycaps.  When you
>open it, it diplays fonts as they are seen on screen.  This is also good for
>symbol fonts, like Carta. You can click on the virtual keyboard in Carta and
>the symbol is displayed on the virtual screen.  I f you have this, it could
>be useful for viewing fonts.

There is also a utility called PopChar, which takes this one step further.
You simply highlight the character you wish to use and it is automatically
imported into the document you are working on - it displays in the current
font.

It should be availabe thru user groups and is probably available on the web
as well.

Another utility is Letraset Character Chooser, which is very nice because
it displays things in 2 sizes, one of them large enough to see complex
characters clearly. In addition, it can copy characters into your current
document. I believe it ships with some fonts. That is how I got it.

Karen Ackoff
Scientific Illustrator
Smithsonian Institution
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>You run into everything in Puget Sound - even an occasional pod of
>Orca! Seals are rampant, depending on the location. I'm looking
>forward to heading up there tomorrow - I'll be looking for giant
>octopi and wolf eels this time!
>
>Hope that was brief enough!

Wow.....thanks Cindy! I can't tell you how interesting this all sounds....
definitely a 'you gotta be there' experience!!  Orcas???  ohhhweeeee
And wolf eels...can't say I've ever gone out of my way to meet one of
these guys but good luck to you....     Stay warm!  : )  Jaynie



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Help, I can't find the directions for submitting slides to th ejuried
show!And I'm sending the slides today!HELP!!HELP!I cna't find my October
issue of GNSA newsletter that has the instructions!PLEASE!!!!!POlly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
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>Help, I can't find the directions for submitting slides to th ejuried
>show!And I'm sending the slides today!HELP!!HELP!I cna't find my October
>issue of GNSA newsletter that has the instructions!PLEASE!!!!!POlly


Hi Polly....will be happy to fax you the Entry Form page...just
need a fax number. Jaynie


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A response to a reply I did on the listserv that you might find interesting.
Amy
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Thanks everyone for trying to help with the slide feasco!I ended up getting
Norm on the phone, and he was VERY helpful!Thanks again!! Sorry for the
freak-out panic over the list....lets hear it for all the last minute,
procrasticators!!!!Yea, thats me! Thanks again!!Polly



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This message is put out on behalf of our GNSI President Gloria Nusse, who in the
process of getting wired for the net (Hurrah!).  She has the software but is 
wondering, given aol's problems, who would be the best carrier at this point. 
She live near Mill Valley CA.  Advice anyone??  Thanks.  I'll forward the 
replies to her.  Kris
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Kristine A. Kirkeby wrote:
>She has the software but is
> wondering, given aol's problems, who would be the best carrier at this point.

I've heard pretty decent reports of earthlink. Other than that, many
local providers do a very nice job of providing reliable service.

Karen Ackoff
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Smithsonian Institution
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Sorry to clog everyone's mail with this, but I cannot find the
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Hi  all,

The Margaret Mee Exhibition/ The Flora of Brazil  just opened up here in
Houston.  It is supposed to be traveling around the country, but I was
unable to find a schedule.

If it comes to your area it's a must see.  Included in the show are 60 of
her Amazon botanicals in gouache.  Many are of rare and endangered or
extinct species.

This English woman traveled solo 15 times into the Amazon to collect and
illustrate. Her final trip was 5 days into the forest by canoe when she was
78 years old.

When comparing her sketch books to the finished painting, I  could pick up
on the extra passion that exudes in the originals.


I have a Dover paperback edition of "The  Art of Botanical Illustration" by
Wilfred Blunt that was long out of print.  I didn't know that it had been
reprinted and revised last year. (By Wilfred Blunt and William Stearn: ISBN
185149 177 5) They were selling it at the exhibition.  It has 126 color
plates and 140 black and white illustrations.  An excellent find.

Take care,
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> >This message is put out on behalf of our GNSI President Gloria Nusse, who
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If you're shopping around, try looking at:

www.thelist.com

I can't vouch for the quality of any of the ISPs, but you may see some
that look like a they're worth calling.

-Catherine

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Hi, All -
	I received my copies of the moldmaking & casting booklets; on first
glance, they look quite comprehensive.  The source book alone is worth
it; it has everything from concrete supplies to plastics, wax, latex,
resins, tools & equipment, chemicals, etc., etc.  I had been trying to
find a source for the type of resin that is used in all the
"collectibles" you find at gift shops, and several are listed.
	I'm starting to "sculpt" a bowl of rice for the wetlands exhibit with
the Apoxie resin (from the taxidermy & cheese place); I tried making
individual grains (not as hard as it sounds, but then I only did a few -
try it when you have something interesting on tv to watch), but they
ultimately did not stick well enough.  Now I'm trying a plaster mold
made from rice grains glued to a ball of aluminum foil & crumpled paper
- hi tech!
	I don't even want to think about the celery.
	Let me know if any of you are interested in the materials booklets;
I'll pass along the mailing address again.
-Gail
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>To fellow GNSI members:
>
>I sent a reply to the list but it apparently was screened and not passed
>on.

Hi John,

How are things up in your neck of the woods?

FYI I am still wading through all my back-log of E-mail, and I came across
this point your raised. Aparently with the main body of text being so
important to those concerned, this comment in your intro went without
response. I just wanted to let you know that I recieved both posts. I do
not believe that our 'list here involves itself in any kinds of censorship.
Your original post made it through just fine.

BTW although I agree with the premise that led Science Insights to decide
to publish a directory independent of AMI, this opinion in no way comes
bundled with any ill will towards AMI. I make this comment because of your
reference to "lingering bad feelings", and I am hoping that you are
refering to past decades and not the recent past. I, for one, have gained
much from the continued interaction of the two organizations, and I
consider members such as yourself and Craig to be much added_value to our
annual gatherings. I hope you can see that these two opinions are not
mutually exclusive.

I am really not trying to stir up this Serbin issue that has (thankfully)
already died down, but am instead reacting to the emotion currents that
were running just below the surface. While I don't agree with the original
issue raised (I recognize that Serbin's agressive marketing strategy is
what makes them so effective at publishing artist's directories.), I don't
feel that any criticism leveled at them is necessarily a direct attack on
AMI. And while I can't speak for the others, I did not percieve that any
comments shared here critical of Serbin were intended as such.

Anyway since your original concerns were strongly fanned by you belief that
you had been filtered out, I wanted to point that this was not so. Although
some here may even strongly disagree with things you say, no one is going
to shut you down. Hell, if they did things like that here, no one would
have heard about all that great weather I was enjoying in the Carribean
<g>.

See you in Santa Cruz (?)

Frank

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Hey Gail that sounds great. I am very interested in your booklets and would
love the adress.

I am surprized you didn't use dental algenate for casting. its a lot faster
and more flexable for a one or two copy pull.

Liz

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. I do
>not believe that our 'list here involves itself in any kinds of censorship.
>Your original post made it through just fine.

Silly me didn't realize that my posts to the list do not come to me.  When
I didn't see my first message appear I calmed down a bit and sent a second
one.  Poor Emil and Paul got it via personal e-mail too.

>BTW although I agree with the premise that led Science Insights to decide
>to publish a directory independent of AMI, this opinion in no way comes
>bundled with any ill will towards AMI.

After the way AMI Source Book Editorial Board handled this, I would not
even want to do business with them again.

I make this comment because of your
>reference to "lingering bad feelings", and I am hoping that you are
>refering to past decades and not the recent past.

One of the most important things I did during the DC meeting was to just
listen to members and try to get some thoughts from them on the AMI.  THere
are a number of GNSI members that do have lingering bad feelings and that's
fine cuz time will heal them.  The are also some perceptions about the AMI
that are just totally wrong and bothered me quite a bit.  Silly things that
seem to linger, like how Taina Litwak's trip to the World Congress planning
meeting in Orlando was funded by the AMI and how AMI wastes money.  There
were a few eye-openers but I generally think I played the diplomat fairly
well.  I t always amazes me how incorrect information festers, seemingly
forever, and people would just rather stay mad that to find out the truth.


 I don't
>feel that any criticism leveled at them is necessarily a direct attack on
>AMI.

I'm not sure.  I had been in a rather defensive state of mind.  I just
wanted to make sure GNSI folks new why they were getting the solicitations
from Serbin and it wasn't the Source Book rubbing salt in old wounds.




>
no one is going
>to shut you down. Hell, if they did things like that here, no one would
>have heard about all that great weather I was enjoying in the Carribean


I hope to heck you're itching to death from sunbun, heh, heh, heh.


>See you in Santa Cruz (?)

I sure hope so.  I'm thinking of driving my aging VW Van. The cross country
trip I never took in the 60's.

Good to hear from you.
John


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Dear Carol, 

	If you or anyone else finds out anything about the locations
where the Margaret Mee collection will be exhibited, PLEASE pass it on!
Thanks!

			Dorset Trapnell


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>I am surprized you didn't use dental algenate for casting. its a lot faster
>and more flexable for a one or two copy pull.

Hi Liz-- I'd love some more information about this-- thanks!


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>Silly me didn't realize that my posts to the list do not come to me.

LOL. If there is one feature I'd like to see implemented cross_platform, it
is a dialog box that jumps between my mouse and the SEND button that asks
me if I REALLY want to send this message.  Perhaps it could be triggered by
a large volume of exclaimation points or the use of an inordinate amount of
multi-sylables. Of course, as computers get more intelligent, they'll be
able to decide for us <G>.

>After the way AMI Source Book Editorial Board handled this, I would not
>even want to do business with them again.

Ah. Well I admit I am not in command of all the facts. As they say,
ignorance is bliss.

>It >always amazes me how incorrect information festers, seemingly
>forever, and people would just rather stay mad that to find out the truth.

The govenrment, religion, and the media have known this for years. When
folks attach emotions (both positive or negative) to an idea, it becomes a
valuable belonging. One that people are very reluctant to let go of. Sort
of reminds me of that scene in The Mission where Robert Diniro is dragging
all his armor behind him through the jungle. It was a great visualization
of someone's emotional baggage.

>I hope to heck you're itching to death from sunbun, heh, heh, heh.

Sounds like you've invested a bit of emotion to that wish <g>. Sorry to cut
it lose though, as I spent too much time under the water to finish up that
to_die_for tan. Maybe next time.

>I'm thinking of driving my aging VW Van. The cross country
>trip I never took in the 60's.

Hahaha. Sounds like a Ken Keasy (sp?) novel in the works <g>. Have a great
journey. And watch out for the brown acid.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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From [log in to unmask] Tue Feb  4 13:22:40 1997
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Frank Ippolito wrote:

> multi-sylables. Of course, as computers get more intelligent, they'll be
> able to decide for us <G>.

I think mine is doing just that - lately it's not been wanting to send 
my long letters, and then the only way I can shut down the computer is 
to NOT save what I've written - and after all that work!
> 

 
> >It >always amazes me how incorrect information festers, seemingly
> >forever, and people would just rather stay mad that to find out the truth.
> 
> The govenrment, religion, and the media have known this for years. When
> folks attach emotions (both positive or negative) to an idea, it becomes a
> valuable belonging. One that people are very reluctant to let go of. Sort
> of reminds me of that scene in The Mission where Robert Diniro is dragging
> all his armor behind him through the jungle. It was a great visualization
> of someone's emotional baggage.


Are you feeling philosophical today, Frank? Are you old?

> 
> >I hope to heck you're itching to death from sunbun, heh, heh, heh.
> 
> Sounds like you've invested a bit of emotion to that wish <g>. Sorry to cut
> it lose though, as I spent too much time under the water to finish up that
> to_die_for tan. Maybe next time.


If you're interested in hearing about my dive trip this last weekend, 
I'll tell you as soon as I thaw out.

> 
> >I'm thinking of driving my aging VW Van. The cross country
> >trip I never took in the 60's.
> 
> Hahaha. Sounds like a Ken Keasy (sp?) novel in the works <g>. Have a great
> journey. And watch out for the brown acid.


I have an old VW van, too - anyone else? Should we do a separate 
convention? BTW, I've seen the info in the newsletter about what's 
happening with Santa Cruz, but when will the registration stuff be 
available?

I've been listening to the Evita soundtrack, and wishing I could be in 
NYC taking in all the Broadway shows there are. And going to the 
Caribbean instead of freezing off my ass in Puget Sound. And you have 
it all, Frank! (Sigh.)

Cindy
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>
>I have an old VW van, too - anyone else? Should we do a separate
>convention? BTW, I've seen the info in the newsletter about what's
>happening with Santa Cruz, but when will the registration stuff be
>available?

Cindy,
I belong to a great Vanagon and VW bus list.  If you're interested in
subscribing let me know and I'll send youthe address.  Last year a bunch of
them caravaned from San Diego to Inuvik and this year a bunch of the East
coasters are trying to put something together this side of the continent.
(we could kidnap Frank and leave him on Baffin Island to work on his tan).
Hmmmmmm..I wonder how many GNSI folks do drive around in old VWs?

John

John Nyquist
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Whoops - my computer sent a message that had nothing at all written - 
it IS taking control!!

[log in to unmask] wrote:
> 
> >

> Cindy,
> I belong to a great Vanagon and VW bus list.  If you're interested in
> subscribing let me know and I'll send youthe address.
 

I'd LOVE that address! My kids can hear me coming to get them three 
blocks down the road, and they make me pick them up a block away from 
school. Maybe knowing there are folks out there who take great pride 
in their VWs might boost their morale. They just don't understand why 
we can't be regular people who drive regular cars!


 Last year a bunch of
> them caravaned from San Diego to Inuvik and this year a bunch of the East
> coasters are trying to put something together this side of the continent.
> (we could kidnap Frank and leave him on Baffin Island to work on his tan).


Ooohhh - that WOULD be good! (RWL)

Cindy
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Oh,
I had an AWSOME VW SuperBeetle convertible-'73. Oh how I miss it! Winters
in Nebraska are bad enough, without a heated car and a torn convertible to
boot(no pun intended)!!<sigh>

I 'm so envious!!! IS there a post board for  FOR SALE VW's.....I'm looking
to buy another Beetle convertible soon!POlly



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>Oh,
>I had an AWSOME VW SuperBeetle convertible-'73. Oh how I miss it! Winters
>in Nebraska are bad enough, without a heated car and a torn convertible to
>boot(no pun intended)!!<sigh>

A VW thread...this list is never boring! : )     I had an orange/white two-tone
VW bus (how luvely) in '76. Used to pile my two dobermans(with bandanas
around their necks of course) into it and head for the beach......  Our ages
are showing here folks!! : )   Also drove a VW autostick (bet nobody has been
in one of *those* things) for about a year until the back seat caught on fire as
I was driving home one sleety midnight eve (battery located under back seat..
ignition wire shorted and started fire). I was driving on an icy overpass at the
time......gee, what fun that was!!   Jaynie


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oops, the beetle model year was '73...I was 5yrs old when the car was
shipped!Opps, showing MY age! hee heee heee



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Cindy:  you could be driving a Rambler!  It's a '64 and the most
reliable car on ice among our current stable.  If nothing else, I can
push the silly thing.  Now if I could only get parts more easily.....
and if people wouldn't STARE so hard!

We had VWs growing up.  Ah, the stories...

>snip Maybe knowing there are folks out there who take great pride 
>in their VWs might boost their morale. They just don't understand why 
>we can't be regular people who drive regular cars!

Susan

>"Out of clutter, find simplicity, from discord, find harmony.  In the
>middle of difficulties lies opportunity." -- Albert Einstein


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Hi All -
	The address for the casting & moldmaking info is:   
				      Castcraft
					  Box 17000
					  Memphis, TN  38187-1000
					  901-682-0961
	They will send you a cover letter detailing the books, the videos, and
the prices. They shipped the books very quickly. 
	The books include the source guide, a casting guide, a moldmaking
guide, and a bonus guide with misc. information.  All are booklets, 8.5
x 11 paperbound.
	Liz, I didn't use dental algonate (?) because I had never heard of it. 
Can you give me more information?  (Maybe it's in the books!) As I said,
I haven't done much casting or modeling.
	By the way, my husband's name is on the email (Robert), since this link
is through the school district where he teaches (math).  Doesn't matter
- either way, I'll get the message!
	I poured the rice-ball mold tonight!  Wow, this is exciting!  I know
you are all dying to know how the Great Rice Experiment works out.  More
tomorrow...stay tuned!
						
Gail
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Hi, Liz
	Dental ALGENATE.  I can't read anymore tonight.  It's been a very long
day, especially with all the strain of the rice-ball experiment.
Gail
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From: schaudt <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SCIART-L digest 371

At 12:56 PM 2/4/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Dear Carol, 
>
>	If you or anyone else finds out anything about the locations
>where the Margaret Mee collection will be exhibited, PLEASE pass it on!
>Thanks!
>
>			Dorset Trapnell
>
I asked at the museum and they had no idea as to where the show would travel
to next.

Printed in the local newspaper was the following: "Return to the Amazon"
runs through Sept. 21st (Houston,TX) and represents the world premiere of
the exhibit.  From here, it will be reassembled in some of the top botanical
museums, libraries and academies in the country, including the Smithsonian's
Natural Science Musesum.

The show is underwritten by George and Cynthia Mitchell and Kew.  The
Mitchells own the gallery where I show, so I'll see what I can find out.
We've got till he end of Sept. for them to make a decision, right?

Carol
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

   Visit the watercolors of Carol Wickenhiser-Schaudt.
  Artistic passion with the trained eye of a scientist.
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Subject: I have an idea!

Shocking I know.....but Maureen sent me the slide form for the GNSI juried
show as email.....and it got  me to thinking. (I know, doesn't happen very
often)-- WHy don't we post a form to join the Guild as a post to the list.
I'm sure some people on the list would like it. (I would!!) That way they
can just print it out and fill it in and mail it. Or...have it on file so
when they are asked about joining the Guild, they could just print it out
and hand it to the person. DO you think this would be
possible??????Anyone????

Hope to hear from you SOON!POlly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
Instructional Technology Specialist
University of Nebraska
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Subject: Job opportunity

http://www.emory.edu/

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From: [log in to unmask] (Clara R. Simpson)
Subject: Re: Serbin

  I t always amazes me how incorrect information festers, seemingly
>forever, and people would just rather stay mad that to find out the truth.


thanks for standing up to that, John; it is true everywhere, people's
version of the truth is something they own I guess-

-Clara

Clara R. Simpson
Illustrator, Dept. of Zoology
Field Museum


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>Hi all:
>
>My little pea brain has hatched an idea and, while not wanting to step on
>any Santa Cruz toes, here it is:
>
>I would like to see something like a cross between a portfolio sharing and
>poster papers  or <Small Art> for computer art specifically.  Now maybe
>this can be done just as part of the portfolio sharing, but I know there
>are plenty of us (?most) who have traditional art in their portfolios.
>Personally I want to see computer art done by each and every one of you.
>Here we sit talking all winter, I could use some visual props.
>
>And I really want to see everyone's work, even if, heaven forbid, you can't
>make it to Santa Cruz.  So We (OK, if the powers that be wish, I will do
>this) should endeavor to collect stuff from people that can't make it.
>While I don't promise to frame this stuff, like Ed did for small art, it
>could be displayed in vinyl or something.
>
>I am not looking for cool stuff only.  I just want to find out what is out
>there.  Of course I am looking for cool stuff too.
>
>And I am not trying to claim this idea, I just realize it would be very
>useful to me.  Perhaps it already is in the works???
>
>-Clara
>
>Clara R. Simpson
>Illustrator, Dept. of Zoology
>Field Museum


Clara,

I am going to put together another Small Works show in Santa cruz inspired
by our meeting in Washington D.C..  I think about 1/4 of the images in last
years show were computer generated, and I am expecting more this time
around.  The call for entries will be going out in a few weeks ( the size
is different than last year about 3 1/2 x 5 inches ). Any medium is fine
including computer.

Everyone can start planning their images now!

Cheers,
Ed Heck


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>>Great Idea CLara,
>>A web page, a web page.....I hear a call for a web page!!!
>>
>>POlly
>>
>But Polly, (Hi there you)  I want to see some print stuff, final output,
>whatever it is, lazer copy, printed material, service bureau output.  I
>know you think I live in the dark ages (my stepson thinks I was born in the
>Jurassic)), having an interest in paper, but paper does have a place.
>
>I am interested in a Web site, don't get me wrong, but actual (not virtual)
>meetings are the one place we can all see paper.
>
>Cheers,
>Clara
>
>
>Clara R. Simpson
>Illustrator, Dept. of Zoology
>Field Museum

Polly, Clara,

I like that idea, Maybe I can scan all the Small Works images for the GNSI
web page.

Cheers,
Ed


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Please don't hit me, but I would like to suggest people take a second look
at what they are sending to the listserv.

I have had several people privately e-mail me asking how I felt about some
of the extensive chitchat that we recently experienced after the Holiday
season.   I would urge all subscribers to this list to reply privately to
individual members of the list if you merely want to comment in an amused
fashion on their comments.  If you have a useful piece of information to
add to the substantive parts of a listserv message,  that is the time to
use the listserv address <[log in to unmask]>.

If you must let everyone know how you feel on a subject, please heavily
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stray from the subject at hand.  Perhaps a COM: for Comment would be
helpful

I fear we may be losing some of the group because the volume of replies was
quite high recently, with little actual factual content.  But on the other
side, If you go away for three weeks, you can expect a mailbox full when
you return.  We must strike a balance in life, must we not?

I personally enjoy most of the chatter, but I have an institutional
connection that flies, and I am no longer connected to multiple listservs.
Please think twice before you hit the reply and send button and ask
yourself if you are really trying to reach one individual or a hundred.

I don't intend this to throw cold water on this wonderful group, or stop
supportive or contadicting comments when they are useful to moving the
subject along. It is just a reminder that you are filling a hundred
mailboxes when you send, not one.  We do seem to be back on track, mostly,
with useful info on Mold Making.  Hopefully the mid-winter cabin fever is
breaking.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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 WHy don't we post a form to join the Guild as a post to the list.
>I'm sure some people on the list would like it. (I would!!) That way they
>can just print it out and fill it in and mail it.

>Hope to hear from you SOON!POlly
>
Maybe we can put together an Info Email about the GNSI an Joining.  You
could send it out about once a month.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Britt:

I agree. Although this is a unique listserv, with mostly very interesting
discourse, I was a little concerned when I saw Warren Dolphin
unsubscribing. I think he's the director of the biological illustration
program at Iowa State. I couldn't help but think that maybe he, as well as
others, have been turned off by all the chat.

Just a thought.

Erik Petersen
Dept. of Anatomy
Tufts University

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Britt Griswold wrote:

> Please don't hit me, but I would like to suggest people take a second look
> at what they are sending to the listserv.
> 
> I have had several people privately e-mail me asking how I felt about some
> of the extensive chitchat that we recently experienced after the Holiday
> season.   I would urge all subscribers to this list to reply privately to
> individual members of the list if you merely want to comment in an amused
> fashion on their comments.  If you have a useful piece of information to
> add to the substantive parts of a listserv message,  that is the time to
> use the listserv address <[log in to unmask]>.
> 
> If you must let everyone know how you feel on a subject, please heavily
> edit the information being commented on, to reduce duplication of whole
> messages.  You may also want to alter the title of your message to reflect
> the content you are commenting on.  The term TAN: is often used when we
> stray from the subject at hand.  Perhaps a COM: for Comment would be
> helpful
> 
> I fear we may be losing some of the group because the volume of replies was
> quite high recently, with little actual factual content.  But on the other
> side, If you go away for three weeks, you can expect a mailbox full when
> you return.  We must strike a balance in life, must we not?
> 
> I personally enjoy most of the chatter, but I have an institutional
> connection that flies, and I am no longer connected to multiple listservs.
> Please think twice before you hit the reply and send button and ask
> yourself if you are really trying to reach one individual or a hundred.
> 
> I don't intend this to throw cold water on this wonderful group, or stop
> supportive or contadicting comments when they are useful to moving the
> subject along. It is just a reminder that you are filling a hundred
> mailboxes when you send, not one.  We do seem to be back on track, mostly,
> with useful info on Mold Making.  Hopefully the mid-winter cabin fever is
> breaking.
> 
> Britt
> 
> Britt Griswold
> Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
> Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
> Greenbelt, MD 20771
> USA
> [log in to unmask]
> 
> 
> 

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Britt, 
I'd be glad to post it once a month or so, if I had all the info. Do 
you think we could get the info electronically from someone?I don't 
think anyone would contest, but I don't know quite who to ask, you 
know?

1. it would be useful to Guild members for recruiting
2. it would be useful to Non-guild members on the list in case they 
are interested in joining!

Hope to hear from you soon!Polly

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>I fear we may be losing some of the group because the volume of replies was
>quite high recently, with little actual factual content.

Well, I guess we have just been e-spanked.  mea culpa

On the other hand, while I couldn't care less how an individual became
proficient in computer graphics (they all come with handy little manuals
don't they), I am intensely interested in the hardwon positions/lifestyles/
journeys of illlustrators as this is a purely self-motivated, often 'find your
own way without much help' field....Am always delighted when anyone
on this unique list feels like sharing their stories.......no two of us are
alike and I learn something everytime I read one of these 'artist epics'.I
would prefer the list remain open to the sharing of experiences in the
field even though we need to cut down on the non-related chit chat.

Jaynie


Jaynie Martz, Technical Illustrator, Jefferson Lab
Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly CEBAF)
12000 Jefferson Avenue, Newport News, VA 23606
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From: schaudt <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Margaret Mee Exhibition

Hi all,

I've got the information of when and where the exhibition will travel to.
It's listed under "additional sites" on the museum's web page.

For  schedule and peek at the show see: http://www.hmns.mus.tx.us/

Carol Schaudt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

   Visit the watercolors of Carol Wickenhiser-Schaudt.
  Artistic passion with the trained eye of a scientist.
    http://www.neosoft.com/~schaudt/cw/default.html 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
   

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I was out of the office late last week learning Microsoft Office. When 
I caught up to my messages, I discovered I had well over 150 - 
daunting to get through! Is this what is referred to as getting 
spammed? To Frank, Cindy and Jaynie:

1. Since turning over production of the newsletter (NL) to Leigh, 
there has been a dramatic drop in communications from all those 
terrific members who have supplied me with material for the NL and the 
extra camaraderie that has filled my days for the last 4+ years. I was 
just starting to experience some rather severe separation anxiety -- 
so thanks for the attention!

2. I'll be turning 55 in March -- my olive oil no longer needs to be 
virgin. Incidentally, what exactly does "EXTRA virgin" mean?

3. Brockport is just a few miles east of the  Clarendon fault; a minor 
one that runs SW to NE. Those who have seen long-term seismic plots 
know that the great lakes area has a very high potential for 
earthquakes; while not nearly as frequent, they can be equally as 
moving as those on the west coast. Should I be waiting for this to 
happen (relates to 2 above)?

4. While I don't mean to find "fault," I had better keep a better 
"ion" you.

I promise I won't be too chatty in the future!
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Subject: Reason for unsubscribing

Because my name came up in a recent note to SCIART, I thought I should
explain my reason for unsubscribing.

Britt and Erik hit the nail on the head. As director of the illustration
program here at ISU I am interested in ideas/issues related to
illustration, but I was not interested in personal conversations being
exchanged through SCIART. The volume of the latter type of message simply
became too large and I found myself deleting most SCIART messages. The cost
benefit ratio became too high, sorting through the chaff for the wheat.  I
am not trying to be critical, just honest about why I dropped out.

Warren


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 I couldn't help but think that maybe he, as well as
>others, have been turned off by all the chat.

When I first joined this list I was a little dismayed by the lack of
steady solid content compared to other high-traffic lists
....but this is a small group and you have to give this list time...
I know I was glad I stuck with it....haved learned quite a few
things I would never come across in daily life. I have no problems
with the very rare chitchat threads on this list but every day I find
myself deleting 50-100 cornball mac vs pc flames on every single
other list I am on.  *That* is tiresome........   Until the recent chitchat
frenzy (a whole 2 weeks worth, oh my), I would say this population
moderates itself quite nicely and professionally. 

And while I'm sure we all value subscriber connections, have those
'unsubscribing' chosen to contribute *anything* to the list before
doing so?    Jaynie


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Polly,
  It's a great idea. Could the information and form go up on the GNSI web 
page? Did the web page ever happen? I remember seeing the different 
designs but did follow what happened from there.

Maureen
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>The term TAN: is often used when we
>stray from the subject at hand.

Good point Britt. But I feared that a thread called: Tan TAN might have
been a bit too confusing for the lot of us <g>. Sorry.

Anyone following the 'list for a period of time should recognize our
ability to pendelum_swing between the sharing of extremely useful data and
the sharing of fun filled dialog. Infortunately without the re-naming of
threads, the content within is not apparent to those in the game of thining
out this wilely herd. I for one can access all this data in the various
technical sheets- if raw data is all I am after. In fact it is just this
kind of friendly interaction that sometimes makes a particularly intense
day a bit more livable. So I for one will probably not shut up <g> But I
will make every effort to tag such messages appropriately. See above.

>>Well, I guess we have just been e-spanked. <<

Was it good for you too? <g>

Frank



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Subject: CD-ROM Hybrids

Hi All,

I was wondering if any of you are aware of any hybrid journal/CD-ROM
releases within the scientific/medical field. I am only aware of Tim Rowe's
paleo monograph from a few years back. I am trying to get a feel for what's
been done so far and am interested in seeing the results. Also, any fusion
of other new media and research would be important, such as web pages that
access data bases etc.

Thanks,

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>Is this what is referred to as getting
>spammed? To Frank, Cindy and Jaynie:

Hahaha. When your eyes begin to glaze over, I think this is refered to as
getting hammed. Even a demi-glazing would count.

>>Incidentally, what exactly does "EXTRA virgin" mean?<<

Now THAT may not be an appropriate subject for this gaggle.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>From the field of molecular structure:

The journal 'Protein Science' distributes a floppy disk with each
issue. It typically includes 'Kinemages' -- a scripted molecular
viewing language -- to allow 3-D viewing of the molecules described
in the paper journal. It also includes data files when they are too
large for print. You should be able to find the journal in your
local university library -- it has a wide circulation.

The most useful WWW page that I have found is the page for the
Brookhaven Protein Data Bank (http://www.pdb.bnl.gov). Through
this page, you can access thousands of protein and nucleic acid structures,
find images of many of them, and download software to image them
yourself. I use this site *every day* in my research and in my
molecular illustration projects. It is a *remarkable* resource and
well worth the time to poke around in.

Take a look!

David

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>you could be driving a Rambler!  It's a '64 and the most
reliable car on ice among our current stable.  If nothing else, I can
push the silly thing.  Now if I could only get parts more easily.....
and if people wouldn't STARE so hard!<

I had a 65 American station wagon.  I always loved the style of the rambler.
 Unfortunately, it was submerged in a flood which damaged the engine, and
being a student, I did not have the funds for repair.  I think it still
exists somewhere perhaps.  I envy your ability to still own one.   

Amelia Janes
Midwest Educational Graphics
Madison, WI

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Norm Frisch wrote:

> 2. I'll be turning 55 in March -- my olive oil no longer needs to be
> virgin. Incidentally, what exactly does "EXTRA virgin" mean?

I don't know but I heard it was the best!
> 
> 3. Brockport is just a few miles east of the  Clarendon fault; a minor
> one that runs SW to NE. Those who have seen long-term seismic plots
> know that the great lakes area has a very high potential for
> earthquakes; while not nearly as frequent, they can be equally as
> moving as those on the west coast. Should I be waiting for this to
> happen (relates to 2 above)?

With YOUR ions? You bet!
> 
> 4. While I don't mean to find "fault," I had better keep a better
> "ion" you.

HA!


I think Jaynie, Norm, and Frank spoke well - speaking for myself, I'm 
in the middle of nowhere with no other colleagues. I find the 
comradery and good natured jesting on this list highly motivational, 
taking much of the drudgery out of MY day. I've derived a lot of good 
information from the list, and I don't feel the chatter has been 
excessive; many times it has actually sparked other useful, perhaps 
more pertinent discussions. In chatter, I enjoy the bits of personal 
info that leak out, because I am curious about other illustrators, too 
- we are, after all, in a rather rare profession! 

I would vote for labelling chat as chat, that way clicking the mouse 
would be all one has to do. Heck, one could even have the mouse 
already positioned on the "delete" button to save time. 

Cindy
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Maureen,
Absolutely...the information could go up on a web page, and IT SHOULD.  I
have NO idea what happened to the GNSI webpage, I could be wrong, but I
think Britt might be the person to ask about that!Or maybe Frank?

I'm curious....how many subscribers to this list work in multimedia now?I
think there are about 130 subscribers, and without sending to the list(send
to me directly) How many of you work in multimedia or technology
based(combo of techno-traditional) jobs now, as opposed to traditional
media(print-of any kind)???????

I discovered a subscriber on the list who is also an information technology
person(multimedia-like me)-Its a growing field, particularly within
educational institutions. I'm just curios if there are more
illustrator/media types gravitating toward these careers?Are they interest
driven or job opportunity driven!?????

Cheers,
POlly




"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
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University of Nebraska
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>I had a 65 American station wagon.  I always loved the style of the rambler.
 Unfortunately, it was submerged in a flood which damaged the engine, and
being a student, I did not have the funds for repair.  I think it still
exists somewhere perhaps.  I envy your ability to still own one. <

Forgive me for adding to the idle chat. I read the comments after sending
this.  Funny, I thought perhaps I was being shy by not joining in the recent
banter. 

No more idle chat here.  

Amelia Janes
Midwest Educational Graphics
Madison, WI



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>Take a look!

Thanks David, I will. Great leads. These are the kinds of projects I was
hoping we would find out there. The medium is just ripe for these kinds of
applications.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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From: [log in to unmask] (Karen Ackoff)
Subject: Tangential discussions

May I make a gentle suggestion to the group?

Could you please label any discussions not relevant to scientific
illustration as "TAN: subject". "TAN" is for "tangential", meaning somewhat
off the scientific illustration track. This allows people like myself, who
have to sift through hundreds of messages a day, to delete these messages
without having to view them.

I would greatly appreciate this. And please, take this suggestion in the
manner it is being offered - gently.

Thank you.

Karen Ackoff
Scientific Illustrator
Smithsonian Institution
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Hi:

We at the Nature Conservancy are working on converting rare species
book data into interactive cd/rom format.  I've worked on interactive
cd's for The National Biological Service (now part of USGS) and TNC.
I use Macromedia Director because it can hybridize presentations (make
them viewable by both Mac and PC.  Macromedia Authorware will do
this too as well as have the ability to access data bases.  A couple of
caveats:  These applications are expensive (Director also has quite a
learning curve) and you'll need to buy full Mac and PC versions to 
author hybrid cd's.  You'll need good cd authoring utility like Toast (Mac)
or CD/ROM Pro (PC).

For your second question, it's interesting that you would use the word
fusion in your query.  The best data converter for inter- intra- net data
bases that I know of is called Cold Fusion.  You'll need a converter before
you can write a PERL or SGI script that can find the delimiters and present
the data in fields on the web.  Macromedia (not that I'm a salesperson for
them) has a program called Backstage Studio that sells for about $1,100 that
converts data bases and creates home pages for you, without needing
PERL or SGI. 

We will be creating an extranet service at TNC for the Fish and Wildlife
Service using our species ranking data called BCD.  Unfortunately the
BCD data base was created just for TNC and can not be converted using
an existing utility such as Cold Fusion or Backstage Studio.  So we're going
to the much more inelegant and laborious method of doing a text dump
of our data base and putting it on the server and using PERL to capture
the fields...  I wish for you a better fate!

-agreco

[log in to unmask] (Frank Ippolito) Wrote:
| 
| Hi All,
| 
| I was wondering if any of you are aware of any hybrid 
| journal/CD-ROM
| releases within the scientific/medical field. I am only 
| aware of Tim Rowe's
| paleo monograph from a few years back. I am trying to get 
| a feel for what's
| been done so far and am interested in seeing the results. 
| Also, any fusion
| of other new media and research would be important, such 
| as web pages that
| access data bases etc.
| 
| Thanks,
| 
| Frank
| 
| Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
| American Museum of Natural History
| 
| 
| 
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>These applications are expensive (Director also has quite a
>learning curve) and you'll need to buy full Mac and PC versions to
>author hybrid cd's.  You'll need good cd authoring utility like Toast (Mac)
>or CD/ROM Pro (PC).

Thanks for the feedback.

Yes. I assumed that Director would be the way to go. As for authoring
utilities, Astarte's Toast seems like the clear choice on the Mac side. But
things seem grayer on the PC end of things. CD ROM Pro? Isn't that the full
name of Toast? Could you mean Adaptec's Easy CD Pro? Reviews seem fair.
I've also heard good things about CeQuadat's WinOn CD . . . any thoughts?

What burner have you been using? The price drop on the Yamaha CDE 100 units
seem to make this a no brainer these days.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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From: Polly Tandon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: re: CD-ROM Hybrids

HEy what about Authorware? OR M-tropolis?

You can get Authorware and a great educational discount since you are at a
museum. Not a HUGE learning curve!VERY GOOD authoring environment for CD
ROM development.Cross platform too. M-tropolis is WAY easy to use, but is
only for Mac so far!
 Our educational price is under 200.00...and the full version not for
resale distribution os about 899.00.  FULL version with license to sell
CD's for profit is 6000.00, but you can develop on am academic version and
package the CDROM on the full version.

We use it for development. Its icon based time line development of
interactivity!NOT the learning curve of Director.

POlly


>These applications are expensive (Director also has quite a
>>learning curve) and you'll need to buy full Mac and PC versions to
>>author hybrid cd's.  You'll need good cd authoring utility like Toast (Mac)
>>or CD/ROM Pro (PC).
>



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
Instructional Technology Specialist
University of Nebraska
402-472-4193
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Subject: Re: GNSI Web Site

>Polly,
>  It's a great idea. Could the information and form go up on the GNSI web
>page? Did the web page ever happen? I remember seeing the different
>designs but did follow what happened from there.
>
>Maureen
______________________
A new incarnation of the web page is being worked on by a volunteer in DC,
it will probably be up for comment in March.  What we are looking for from
all of you is some content input.  Right now we have very little in the way
of content.  I am looking for some of you folks to step up and volunteer to
organize some content areas.  Probably starting with the more permenant
things.   Just the content, not the look,  thought we are also looking for
donations of art that we could use in the design of the site.

If you are a GNSI Member with some area of interest (or even partial
interest), contact me and we can get you to help us get online.  I would
definately like to see some of the Newsletter and Journal Articals go up.
I will have to take responsibility for past Journal articles.

See the catagories below to see where you might help:

Contents:  This would be in the Body of the page (maybe just Icons or
headings leading to the stuff in parethisis on other pages)  We are open to
any good Ideas for consolidation or rearraingment.

A. The Guild (Overview: Mission statement, Services-Newsletter, Journal,
Meetings, Etc.)
B. How to Join (Membership Info., Chapter Organization Info, Chapter
Location Info.)
C. Current Events (summer workshops, Annual meetings, etc., Exhibits)
D. The Studio (Technique & Tip Articles/ online artwork from GNSI Exhibits
only- the lawyers will insist)
E. About GNSI (Officers, Office, Project Chairs, Constitution, Bylaws, etc.)
F. The Guild Store (Items for purchase)


Appendix:  A Set of Buttons or a Bar that will take you to related topics?
If you can come up with a better arraingment for these catagories we are
open to sugestions.

1. Education-links to Scientific and Medical Illustration programs UMich,
SantaCrus, Georgia, JH, ect.....
2. GNSI Chapters-chapter stuff-DONE BY CHAPTERS
3. Institution Sites-NASA, NSF, USGS, etc../Museum sites-AMNH, SI, etc/
International sites-
>>               Canandian GNSI, INBio, etc...
4. Art/Illustration Sites-Medical Illustrators-AMI, COmmunication Arts,
Multimedia sites, Children's        >>              book Illustrators,
etc...
5. Resources-New Media
>>                a.computer resources-ie.Adobe, Macromedia, Apple, etc...
>>                b. WWW resources-Search engines, phonebooks, etc..
>>                c. Shareware sites
>>                d. Publisher sites-Allen Press, etc...
                   e. Newsgroups and Listservs:SciArt-L, Illustrator,
Photoshop, Taxicom, etc...
6. Resources-Traditional Media
>>                a. art supply companies
>>                b. paper companies
>>                c. etc????
7. Job opportunites and Internships:
8. Advertising Your Art- Methods of Self Promotion

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Subject: Cooper Union Graphic Design Database

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>From: MIRSKY LAWRENCE <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject:      Cooper Union Graphic Design Database
>To: Multiple recipients of list VRA-L <[log in to unmask]>
>
>You are invited to attend  the Visual Resources Association Open House at
>The Cooper Union to view the The Cooper Union Graphic Design Database
>
>Thursday, February 13th         Sessions at 1:15, 2:00, 2:45, 3:30, 4:15
>
>Looking for a hand-lettered logotype, an anthropomorphic typeface or
>large-scale diacritical signs?
>
>Searching for these and other topics is the inspiration for the creation
>of The Cooper Union Graphic Design Database, an on-line image database
>currently under development at The Herb Lubalin Study Center of Design
>and Typography in the School of Art. Funded in part by the National
>Endowment for the Arts, the database  is intended to preserve and
>disseminate material related to the history of graphic design.
>The project is a component of the National Graphic
>Design Archive (NGDA), a pilot program developed to facilitate the
>organization of graphic design collections nationwide.
>
>The Design Collection at the Study Center consists of editorial design
>produced by Herb Lubalin in the 1960s, promotional items designed by Lou
>Dorfsman for the Columbia Broadcasting System and a cross-section of
>European and American graphic design produced from the 1950s to the
>present. Of the 1700 images scanned from the Design Collection, 600 have
>been cataloged. A detailed description of the collection is available on
>the Study Center's web site: http://www.cooper.edu/art/lubalin/LBfront.html.
>
>Exhibition: TechnoSeduction, January 17 - February 15 1997
>
>TechnoSeduction, an exhibition produced jointly by The Cooper Union and
>The College Art Association (CAA), celebrates the work of over 40 artists
>examining identity, sensuality, sexuality, gender and seduction through
>new media and technologies. The exhibit  includes two and three
>dimensional work and site-specific installations. The projects are
>displayed through a wide array of  media including print, photography,
>xerography, animation, video and interactive software.  Accompanying the
>exhibition is a 106-page, full-color  catalogue.  A reception for the
>exhibition will begin at 5:00 immediately following the open house; a web
>site of the exhibition is located at
>http://www.cooper.edu/art/techno/index.html.
>
>Location
>
>The exhibition will be on display in Cooper Union's main Foundation
>Building located at 7 East 7th Street on the Southwest corner of 3rd Avenue
>and 7th Street.  The Database demonstration will be on view in the Cooper
>Union Albert Nerken School of Engineering located at 51 Astor Place, directly
>North of the Foundation Building in The Driscoll Multimedia Center, Rm. 136.
>Visitors may take the #6 train to Astor Place or the N or R train to 8th
>Street. For further information please contact Lawrence Mirsky, Assistant
>Director at the Herb Lubalin Study Center, 212-353-4214 or send e-mail
>to: [log in to unmask]
>



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
Instructional Technology Specialist
University of Nebraska
402-472-4193
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Subject: re: CD-ROM Hybrids

>You can get Authorware and a great educational discount since you are at a
>museum. Not a HUGE learning curve!VERY GOOD authoring environment for CD
>ROM development.Cross platform too. M-tropolis is WAY easy to use, but is
>only for Mac so far!

>>We use it for development. Its icon based time line development of
>interactivity!NOT the learning curve of Director.<

I think I have a demo disk of this one. Do you find it to have all of the
abilities of Director?

Hmmmm. I do plan on doing some exhaustive research before commiting to a
package, but right now things are in the very early stages. Price is less
of an issue than features and interface. And cross platform compatabilities
(I know! I know! A big can o' worms) are most important.

I have archived somewhere (ie. among the 200+ magazines and journals
scattered across every flat surface of my studio) a few different takes on
the various options available. Time to dive in . . .

Frank

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Britt,
I have a MONSTER set of bookmarks for

1. Art Supply Companies
2. Publishers
3. Museums
4. Shareware/Freeware
5. On-line computer related publications
6. Instructional Technology sites
7. Multimedia sites-development-software, etc.....
You are welcome to some or all for the page!!

If some of you are interested in these ....please feel free to email me
directly and I'll send them to you!!!

Just let me know!POlly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
Instructional Technology Specialist
University of Nebraska
402-472-4193
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Frank,
Authorware is a very good developent tool, particularly in combination WITH
Director for the animation stuff. Both made by macromedia so they are MORE
than compatible. We use director for parts and Authrware for the actual
interactive CDROM. We find it works very well. PLUS...Authorware is
crossplatform as far as the software and the package CD, now with
Afterburner and Shockwave, you can create web based interactives as an
advertisment for the CD. Something to think about-the future is HERE!!!Web
based interactives...we are REALLY getting into them!If you want to see
some demos I can find some for you!OR, if you wanna talk to my boss, I'm
sure he would be helpful....he is a authorized Maromedia Developer. BIG
TIME!He does exacly that and his specialty is front ending databases!If you
are interested!

GOod luck, its sooo much fun!Polly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
Instructional Technology Specialist
University of Nebraska
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I would be interested in seeing some member biographies on the
GNSI web page. This might fit nicely into the biography project
announced in the newsletter before last. Perhaps these could be
single pages, with one or two illustrations and a short biography
of the artist. To remain non-profit, we would of course avoid any
prices or other nasty commercial details.

Against my better judgement, I will offer to spearhead these
pages if the readership is interested. You might look at my
web site, in particular the Molecular Graphics Art Show, if you
want to see something that I have cobbled together in the spare
hours.

Best regards,

David

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>No more idle chat here.

Too bad, Amy. Well, sitting with your hands folded on the edge of your desk
is not a welcome position in most artist's studios. Knowing the group they
way I do, this chilly silence will last all of one or two days <g>. Anyway,
as long as you clearly indicate the content in the subject header, all of
those folks wishing to be more utilitarian can just press the delete button
<poof!>.

I just hope that some of the great tips and friendly advice won't evaporate
with the climate. As far as I am concerned, these periods of friendly
exchange help to cement the group and break the ice for those of us who are
less inclined to sit and type their thoughts. A steady flow of shop talk &
techno-speak goes a long way to cause these same people hold their tongue,
as they may feel that what they have to offer is not of value. Too simple.
And how many times has someone's "simple" idea been a godsend for another.
This is also the basis for the Artist Forum over at Compu-Serve where I am
a Sys-op. Like this 'list, there is an ebb and a flow to the content;
useful vs. friendly. And like this list, there are ocassionally complaints
concerning thread drift. But the friendly banter has helped quite a few
lurkers from out of the shadows. And considering the contibutions that
followed, I find the pluses far outweigh the minuses.

I think sending a clearly labeled message is the key.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>>I am surprized you didn't use dental algenate for casting. its a lot faster
>>and more flexable for a one or two copy pull.
>
>Hi Liz-- I'd love some more information about this-- thanks!

Dental alginate can be purchased through your dentist or sometimes medical
suppliers will sell it directly to artists.

There are two types. One will set in aprox 2:00 min the sec in less than 60
seconds. We use it at the college for quick casts. Dental alginate is made
from algae. It mixes 1 to 1 with water. It peels off with out lubricants or
mold releases and it will not stick to itself. Great for casting 2 and 3
part molds. It has a high moisture content and you need to let it dry just
a tad after pulling the mold of the casted subject.  I always cast a hard
copy in plastic resign and if I need more then make a more sturdy mold
depending on the number of casts I need to pull. In alginate you can pull
aproxamately 1-2 depending on undercuts and detail.  * hint if you want to
speed the setting time you can increase the water temp and it sets fast. We
did life casts off elephants with it. and were concerned about the animals
getting nervous and got it to set in less than 30 sec by using warm water.
Some times if the alginate mold is large and I don't want it to warp I will
cast a plaster backing or cradle.

As I mentioned alginate is very moist, they use it to do impressions of
teeth. so it is non toxic. If you let it dry out and shrink you can even
shrink your subject. We did facial cast of people and let the shrink and
recasted in alginate and then let them dry again until we took an adult
face and shrank it to fit as faces on grapes, oranges and bananas it worked
very well.

 Just remember to fluff it, measure acurately 1 to 1, have enough people to
help cover the subject, put the water in the bucket first, then add the
alginate.
It will come right off anything once set.
If you have any more questions I'll try to answer them

Liz

PS works very well on specimans because it copys even the lightest detail.
Air bubbles can be worked out and filled in the molds also.

Elizabeth G. Sieferd
EGS Design Group
4323 S. Section Line Rd Delaware, Ohio
Phone 614. 881. 6012
Fax 614. 881. 4389
Email [log in to unmask]



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>I would be interested in seeing some member biographies on the
>GNSI web page. This might fit nicely into the biography project
>announced in the newsletter before last.

>Against my better judgement, I will offer to spearhead these
>pages if the readership is interested.
>Best regards,
>
>David
>
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>David S. Goodsell                        The Scripps Research Institute
>Assistant Member                        Department of Molecular Biology
>                                             10666 N. Torrey Pines Road
>(619) 784-2839 tel                                  La Jolla, CA  92037
>(619) 784-6860 fax
>[log in to unmask]                http://www.scripps.edu/pub/goodsell
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David,

I would love to have you work with the person who authored that article in
the Newsletter, Anyone have her name and address handy?  If people are
willing to summit short articles and a few JPEG images that would make for
real inspirational reading.  I will post the needs for those pages as soon
as I can and ask people to submit them to you.  It may require you to ask
them for more details if you picxk up on an especially interesting item.

Once our sight design for this section is set, all you would need to do is
put images and text in the template and send them down.

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Frank:

>I've also heard good things about CeQuadat's WinOn CD . . . any thoughts?

I'm not the PC expert, but my compatriot, who is, says CeQuadat is really bad. 
 
He recommends Adaptec Easy CD Pro or Corel CD Creator (now owned by Adaptec).


>CD ROM Pro? Isn't that the full name of Toast? Could you mean Adaptec's Easy 
CD Pro? 

Yes, I meant Adaptec Easy CD Pro not CD/ROM Pro, duh.



>What burner have you been using? The price drop on the  Yamaha CDE 100 units 
seem to make this a no brainer these days.

We use Pinnacle Micro, but the Yamaha CD*R* 100 is the way to go (4x4).

Good Luck!


Angela D. Greco
Data Visualization Specialist
DVIC, The Nature Conservancy
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From: [log in to unmask] (Karen Ackoff)
Subject: re: CD-ROM Hybrids

Frank Ippolito wrote:
>Yes. I assumed that Director would be the way to go. As for authoring
>utilities, Astarte's Toast seems like the clear choice on the Mac side. But
>things seem grayer on the PC end of things. CD ROM Pro? Isn't that the full
>name of Toast? Could you mean Adaptec's Easy CD Pro? Reviews seem fair.
>I've also heard good things about CeQuadat's WinOn CD . . . any thoughts?

I use Astarte Toast on the Mac, and it works without a hitch. I set up the
CD burner, installed the software and burned my first CD ROM in a total of
about 15 minutes.

>What burner have you been using? The price drop on the Yamaha CDE 100 units
>seem to make this a no brainer these days.

I'm using a Micronet CD burner. Not the cheapest, but highly recommended
and with excellent technical support. I got the burner bundled with a 2 gig
drive, and I've partitioned the drive and use the partitions for CD
mastering (as well as general backup).

I use Director and I agree it has a real steep learning curve... and after
90 days, they charge for tech support. I suppose an alternative would be
Quark Immedia, although it hasn't been out as long and I don't know much
about it. And Quark charges for tech support as well.

Karen Ackoff
Scientific Illustrator
Smithsonian Institution
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David Goodsell wrote:
>I would be interested in seeing some member biographies on the
>GNSI web page.

I think this is a good idea. It would really give people an idea of some of
the kinds of things Guild members do and also of the variety.

Karen Ackoff
Scientific Illustrator
Smithsonian Institution
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Emil...thanks for that reply...I thought it was just my computer.  No message
right?  Gremlins or Grumblins?
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Am looking for VW bug for husband.........we dated in one!  Didn't everyone?
  Especially one that runs as he doesn't know a hammer from a screwdriver!
  Nancy
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Perhaps asked in jest, but I do know what extra virgin olive oil is.  A
young man working in an Italian Grocery Store in Berwyn, a Chicago suburb
told me so a couple of years back, so it must be so.  Extra virgin olive oil
is the first, cold press of the olives.  It is supposed to have the most
flavor and the fewest impurities.  The oil is graded by a series of
pressings, heat is added, then chemicals for extraction, each time more oil
comes out and other things with it, not to mention residue from the process.

I also learned a few months ago in an Elmwood Park Italian grocery, that
olive oil prices have skyrocketed world wide because of a failure in, if I
remember correctly, the Spanish crop.  Prices should drop down somewhat as
the new crop is supposed to be better.  That should cheer up a lot of people.

I have not a clue as to what an extra virgin is.  That may best be answered
by theologists, or perhaps Dr. Ruth.  This note just proves I've been
chained to this machine too long.  Good night, Miriam  

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Britt, Anegla, Everyone,
Well, I've had a great response from people who would like to have my
bookmarks.

I'm thinking of two ways.

1. I could post them as a URL off of my webpage...and YES, Britt I will be
glad to put them in HTML format.  I could have that put together by Friday
afternoon. That way, if you could GO and visit the site, then email me with
URL's that YOU have and I don't, I'll add them to the list in the HTML,
then when the GNSI page is done, those links will be shuffled over to the
GNSI page as links. This seems to work VERY well with other projects that
I'm working on.

2. If you would rather have a copy of the  file, I'll be glad to attach it
to a personal email. That means of course, you'll have to have pop mail or
MIME compliant mail to use it. Does this make sense?

Britt and Angela, does that sound like a plan to you?I figure, that way
people can email me directly with added URL's and we can get the ball
rolling???? I'll add the URL's as I get them until you guys are ready for
the page!

Just let me know what you think!POlly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
Instructional Technology Specialist
University of Nebraska
402-472-4193
[log in to unmask]
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I went to an Avid symposium during which they demo'd M-tropolis. I know
absolutely nothing about these tools, but I was wowed over by how easy
and logical it looked. Of course the demo guy was one of the authors so
he made it look easy! You can find out more about it by visiting their
website:

www.avid.com

Polly, I would be interested in knowing more about your use of M-tropolis.
We may be headed that way in the coming year.

-Catherine

> M-tropolis is WAY easy to use, but is
> only for Mac so far!

> We use it for development. Its icon based time line development of
> interactivity!NOT the learning curve of Director.


========================================================================
Catherine Sexton
Multimedia Services Coordinator

Academic Technologies, Facilities & Multimedia Services
Academic Computing Services, The University of Chicago
email: [log in to unmask]; Multimedia Services (773)834-4499
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>I think sending a clearly labeled message is the key.
>
Boom! this IS the perfect solution, I like it!

-Clara

Clara R. Simpson
Illustrator, Dept. of Zoology
Field Museum


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>No more idle chat here.

>Too bad, Amy. Well, sitting with your hands folded on the edge of your desk
>is not a welcome position in most artist's studios. Knowing the group they
>way I do, this chilly silence will last all of one or two days <g>. Anyway,
>as long as you clearly indicate the content in the subject header, all of
>those folks wishing to be more utilitarian can just press the delete button
<poof!>.

>I just hope that some of the great tips and friendly advice won't evaporate
>with the climate. As far as I am concerned, these periods of friendly
>exchange help to cement the group and break the ice for those of us who are
>less inclined to sit and type their thoughts. A steady flow of shop talk &
>techno-speak goes a long way to cause these same people hold their tongue,
>as they may feel that what they have to offer is not of value. Too simple.
>And how many times has someone's "simple" idea been a godsend for another.
>This is also the basis for the Artist Forum over at Compu-Serve where I am
>a Sys-op. Like this 'list, there is an ebb and a flow to the content;
>useful vs. friendly. And like this list, there are ocassionally complaints
>concerning thread drift. But the friendly banter has helped quite a few
>lurkers from out of the shadows. And considering the contibutions that
>followed, I find the pluses far outweigh the minuses.

>I think sending a clearly labeled message is the key.

>Frank

>Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
>American Museum of Natural History


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You bet Frank!







Emil

(P.S. Isn't this silly? Quoting the guy's whole message just to add...nothing to
it. Who once said that time is the most precious but wasted asset we all have?)

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Hello all!
Well, they are up and running. There are three pages all together. The URL
is http://itg.unl.edu/GNSI

On the index page is art suppy companies, museum, some URLS that have been
advertised on the list(ie...Pat Schories page), publishers.

Creative Resources links include fonts, backgrounds, guides to creating
digital images, icons and clip art.

Reference links includes online publications,  SHareware and Freeware, as
well as reference libries such as AreaCode Index, Library of Congress,
Phonebooks, etc...

PLEASE feel free to email me with additions, substractions or corrections.
GNSI might not have ALL these links on their final web page...also, it
isn't real pretty, but functional and fast loading! ENJOY!---Please let me
know if you have any questions!Thanks and have fun!POlly



"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
      					e. e. cummings

Pauline Tandon
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> 
> >you could be driving a Rambler!  It's a '64 and the most
> reliable car on ice among our current stable.  If nothing else, I can
> push the silly thing.  Now if I could only get parts more easily.....
> and if people wouldn't STARE so hard!<
> 
> I had a 65 American station wagon.  I always loved the style of the rambler.
>  Unfortunately, it was submerged in a flood which damaged the engine, and
> being a student, I did not have the funds for repair.  I think it still
> exists somewhere perhaps.  I envy your ability to still own one.
> 
> Amelia Janes
> Midwest Educational Graphics
> Madison, WI



Sorry folks, but I just can't resist telling a VW van stories!
Talk about people staring and not having funds for repairs......

Back in '78 (when Jaynie was just a mere CHILD, for crying out loud!!) 
my husband, Tim, and I were living in Honolulu. I was a student at the 
U of HI, he was in training, and we were penniless - well, actually 
living on $1,000/month, half of which went for rent (the cheapest we 
could find then)

Anyway, we had our first VW van, a family hand-me-down - a custom job 
that Tim's step-dad had done, complete with gold tassles hanging 
around all the windows and those stick-to-your-butt plushy black and 
gold vinyl seats. (Tim's step-dad has always had rather special taste 
in interior design). It had one of those fuel injected Porsche 
engines, not real quiet, and a leaky roof window which, no matter what 
we did, could not be adequately repaired, so we gave up and lashed a 
tarp over the roof. The tarp never seemed to be lashed down tightly 
enough, so when we drove over 35mph, it was always with a very loud 
flapping as the metal grommets banged against the metal roof. The 
faster we went, the faster and louder the banging got. Couple that 
with an already loud engine.

What really took the cake, though, was when the muffler went bad. Of 
course we couldn't afford to fix it.  Our apartment building had no 
glass in its windows, and I had to take Tim to the hospital at 5:30 AM 
several times a week. I'm sure you can imagine what being jolted out 
of your sleep by an obnoxiously loud car under your window would do to 
you - but we were kids and being courteous to one's neighbors never 
occured to us...

...until one morning, as I was starting the engine at the usual time, 
I heard this incredibily loud chorus of shouted obscenities coming 
through the windows - followed by a pelting of over-ripe papayas!!

We decided to get the muffler fixed - but had to starve for a month to 
be able to pay for the job. Oh, those were the good old days! (sung to 
the tune of...)

Cindy
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> 
> Am looking for VW bug for husband.........we dated in one!  Didn't everyone?
>   Especially one that runs as he doesn't know a hammer from a screwdriver!
>   Nancy


Nancy - my hub and I dated in a VW van with a fold-out bed. Wouldn't 
you rather have one of those?? We've got a ten-year old Vanagon camper 
that my boys would gladly sell at any price!

Cindy
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Polly Tandon <[log in to unmask]> Wrote:

| 1. I could post them as a URL off of my webpage...and YES, 
| Britt I will be
| glad to put them in HTML format.  I could have that put 
| together by Friday
| afternoon. That way, if you could GO and visit the site, 
| then email me with
| URL's that YOU have and I don't, I'll add them to the list 
| in the HTML,
| then when the GNSI page is done, those links will be 
| shuffled over to the
| GNSI page as links. This seems to work VERY well with 
| other projects that
| I'm working on.
| 
| 2. If you would rather have a copy of the  file, I'll be 
| glad to attach it
| to a personal email. That means of course, you'll have to 
| have pop mail or
| MIME compliant mail to use it. Does this make sense?

| Just let me know what you think!POlly


Sounds Great!  I've set up a folder (which only happens
after much deliberating) for all of the suggestions coming
in for the site, so that I incorporate them in the design.

Now that the cat is out of the bag, anyways, please everyone
send me whatever thoughts you may have that would enhance
GNSI's web site.

Polly, I like idea number one (above) for now.

Angela D. Greco
Data Visualization Specialist
DVIC, The Nature Conservancy
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Polly it's AWESOME! (BIG smile!)

Cindy
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Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: More on Web Pages

          Another organization I belong to, the International
          Association for the Astronomical Arts, has a web site.  On
          the home page, down at the bottom, is a Membership Listing.
          Click on that, and the list of IAAA members comes up.  Some
          of them have biographies, web pages, images, etc., and it's
          possible to access them from this list.  You might like to
          take a look at this, since GNSI is talking about doing
          something similar.  The URL is:

                    http://www.novaspace.com/IAAA/IAAA.shtml

          For the images and portraits (I know, I know. . . I only
          have my biography up there right now), the Webmaster
          accepted JPEGS as well as Photo CD's for the members who
          couldn't transmit JPEGS.

          At the bottom of the home page you'll notice some items
          which are for members only.  These are accessed by a
          password which was provided to the members.  One of those
          items is the membership directory, which has the addresses,
          phone numbers, e-mail addresses, etc.

          Admittedly, IAAA has a smaller membership than GNSI and
          putting together the entire GNSI member list - and
          associated biographies, images, etc. - might be extremely
          cumbersome.  I don't know much about putting together the
          web pages, but I can appreciate the amount of time it would
          take to assemble all the text and art work.  However, I like
          the idea of doing this and if it's feasible, I'm all for it.

          Of course another issue is:  if all the members get this
          info on the Web, how does this tie into/conflict
          with/support/encourage/etc. the possibility of Science
          Insights doing a directory on the Web?

          Lynette Cook
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>I'm not the PC expert, but my compatriot, who is, says CeQuadat is really bad.

Intersting. All reviews and first_person comments suggest just the otherwise.

>He recommends Adaptec Easy CD Pro or Corel CD Creator (now owned by Adaptec).

Yes. All those same reviews put Easy CD second, just below CeQuadat.

>We use Pinnacle Micro, but the Yamaha CD*R* 100 is the way to go (4x4).

Just as we all say something . . . it changes. I just saw an announcement
last night that Yamaha began shipping the new CDR400, a 4x read 6x write
unit. It has a 2 mb buffer (up from 516 kb), firmware upgradable, adds tray
option to its caddy, and has a host of support options built in. The list
price is set at $849, just $50 more than the CDR100. It just went on my
list.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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Subject: re: CD-ROM Hybrids


>I use Astarte Toast on the Mac, and it works without a hitch. I set up the
>CD burner, installed the software and burned my first CD ROM in a total of
>about 15 minutes.

Thanks Karen, that confirms what I've already heard.

>I'm using a Micronet CD burner. Not the cheapest, but highly recommended

I haven't seen references to this one. What is the read/write speed and the
price range?

>I use Director and I agree it has a real steep learning curve... and after
>90 days, they charge for tech support. I suppose an alternative would be
>Quark Immedia, although it hasn't been out as long and I don't know much
>about it. And Quark charges for tech support as well.

Yes. QuarkImedia looks promising, as does M-Tropolis, as an alternative to
Director.

Frank

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Earlier I sent the incorrect URL for peeking at mTropolis. It's not an
Avid product, it's an mFactory product. Silly me . . .

The correct URL is:

www.mfactory.com

-Catherine

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You might also want to look at the new Philips CDD2600. Its a 2x/6x unit.
Perhaps more importantly, this is the 4th iteration of a succesful model
line. $699 and there is a limited time $200 manufacturers rebate being
offered by some dealers.

Arno

On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Frank Ippolito wrote:

> 
> >I'm not the PC expert, but my compatriot, who is, says CeQuadat is really bad.
> 
> Intersting. All reviews and first_person comments suggest just the otherwise.
> 
> >He recommends Adaptec Easy CD Pro or Corel CD Creator (now owned by Adaptec).
> 
> Yes. All those same reviews put Easy CD second, just below CeQuadat.
> 
> >We use Pinnacle Micro, but the Yamaha CD*R* 100 is the way to go (4x4).
> 
> Just as we all say something . . . it changes. I just saw an announcement
> last night that Yamaha began shipping the new CDR400, a 4x read 6x write
> unit. It has a 2 mb buffer (up from 516 kb), firmware upgradable, adds tray
> option to its caddy, and has a host of support options built in. The list
> price is set at $849, just $50 more than the CDR100. It just went on my
> list.
> 
> Frank
> 
> Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
> American Museum of Natural History
> 
> 

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     What do I do about this message? Could anyone tell me if this is a 
     hoax?
     
     Emil
     
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     
     This message was sent to you by NaughtyRobot, an Internet spider that 
     crawls into your server through a tiny hole in the World Wide Web.
          
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     system to collect personal, private, and sensitive information.
          
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From [log in to unmask] Thu Feb  6 12:13:01 1997
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>     What do I do about this message? Could anyone tell me if this is a
>     hoax?
>
>     Emil
>
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>     This message was sent to you by NaughtyRobot, an Internet spider that
>     crawls into your server through a tiny hole in the World Wide Web.
>
>     NaughtyRobot exploits a security bug in HTTP and has visited your host
>     system to collect personal, private, and sensitive information.
>
>     It has captured your Email and physical addresses, as well as your
>     phone
>     and credit card numbers.  To protect yourself against the misuse of
>     this
>     information, do the following:
>
>      1. alert your server SysOp,
>      2. contact your local police,
>      3. disconnect your telephone, and
>      4. report your credit cards as lost.
>
>     Act at once.  Remember: only YOU can prevent DATA fires.
>
>     This has been a public service announcement from the makers of
>     NaughtyRobot -- CarJacking its way onto the Information SuperHighway.
>
>

It potentially could be real.  If a hacker has found a hole into server,
somewhere in the world, that has your e-mail address, then potentially
anything on that server related to you has been accessed as well.  But it
could more easily be a hoax.  See if anyone else on the systems that might
have your e-mail address have received this message.  And by all means pass
it on to your SysOps.

I have not received such a message.

Britt

Britt Griswold
Goddard Space Flight Center/NASA
Code 253,  Bldg. 8 Rm N15
Greenbelt, MD 20771
USA
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Subject: Job opening in Web Design

I got a message from a friend how is hiring.

Full time Job in  Beltsville MD

SWALES & Associates Inc.  (government contractor)

Experienced Web designer needed to work for NASA Contractor
Mac and PC computers used to create web sites.
Competative salary.

Send resume and salary requirements to:
Jeremy Phillips/ Art Director
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Submitted first to the SciArt-listserv!
Please do not pass this around willy nilly, she does not want an overload
of mail frome every wanabee.  But I told her this group has
great(likeminded) people.

Britt

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Subject: re: CD-ROM Hybrids

Frank,

>>I'm using a Micronet CD burner. Not the cheapest, but highly recommended
>
>I haven't seen references to this one. What is the read/write speed and the
>price range?

I paid about $1300 - but remember that includes a 2 gig hard drive. The CD
burner is 2x write/4x read model. I went with the 2x write because I saved
about $800. I think it takes about 40 minutes to burn a full (650 meg) CD;
a 4x write would do it in about 20 minutes.

Karen Ackoff
Scientific Illustrator
Smithsonian Institution
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>I paid about $1300 - but remember that includes a 2 gig hard drive. The CD
>burner is 2x write/4x read model. I went with the 2x write because I saved
>about $800. I think it takes about 40 minutes to burn a full (650 meg) CD;
>a 4x write would do it in about 20 minutes.

Ah. Well I have other reasons for needing a 4x or faster burner. For
digital audio (and video) a faster burner can avoid buffer overruns.
Anyway, with the less expensive Yamaha having such glowing reviews (first
hand and critics), and the fact that they just came out with a similarly
priced 6x burner, I am probably going that route. Thanks.

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: security breached by NaughtyRobot

>     What do I do about this message? Could anyone tell me if this is a
>     hoax?

Emil,

I agree with Britt that you should probably notify your Sysop. But I
wouldn't take this kind of thing too seriously. It sounds like it was a
very standardized writing. Disconnect your phone? Why? Cancell your credit
cards? not likely. Sounds like an attempt to get people to panic.

BTW was the message header indicating a long list of reciepients?

Frank

Frank Ippolito    [log in to unmask]
American Museum of Natural History


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>Ah. Well I have other reasons for needing a 4x or faster burner. For
>digital audio (and video) a faster burner can avoid buffer overruns.

I've burned audio and video - no buffer overruns. However, equipment is
more or less obsolete about 5 minutes after you've bought it. So go for the
faster version.

Karen Ackoff
Scientific Illustrator
Smithsonian Inst.
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Subject: Re: Casting & moldmaking info


>
>Dental alginate can be purchased through your dentist or sometimes medical
>suppliers will sell it directly to artists.

Thanks Liz--this is great imformation.

>  I always cast a hard
>copy in plastic resign and if I need more then make a more sturdy mold
>depending on the number of casts I need to pull.

What do you use for this?


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Subject: Re: TAN Church - oops, CAR chat (technical question too)

i'm a  regular lurker here, and this car chat has brought me out of hiding.
my first car (after the one i had to share with my sister; that doesn't
count) was a 1961 karmann ghia - talk about a classic, wonderful car! i was
in heaven; art student, young, away from home for the first time... the only
problem was that driving over 55 mph would make the windshield wipers begin
to vibrate, then boing straight out - reminiscent of jousting. still...

on a not-so-tangential note; does anyone know of a mail-order source for
letramax or crescent (or any other brand, for that matter) scanner board?
yes, i do still work on the board, and one of my clients prefers scanner
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thanks -

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Cindy....hummmmmmmm  ;-O...........I still have to sleep with him?  Does it
come with snore control???  does sound like fun tho'.  sincerely,Nancy
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>And while I'm sure we all value subscriber connections, have those
>'unsubscribing' chosen to contribute *anything* to the list before
>doing so?

Warren Dolphin definately contributed, and so did several others that I
know of who unsubscribed.  While it is certainly true that highly technical
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reasons.  Not everyone has a program that allows them to delete quickly,
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No one is suggesting that people should stop bantering --just that personal
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If there's anyone else out there considering unsubscribing, please tell us
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Comments By: Angela Greco@SCI SYSTEMS@TNCHQ
Originally To: *@*@tnchq, Jan Cornwell@Legal@TNCCARO, Elizabeth Bromberg@Legal@TNCERO, Janine Russ@Admin@TNCFRO, Jim Pirovano@LEGAL@TNCMRO, Shyama Khanna@Protect@TNCNYRO, Jennie Gunther@PROTECT@TNCSRO, Chris Hauge@LEGAL@TNCWRO, Margaret Ormes@NA Heritage@TNCERO, Donna Riggs@NA HERITAGE@TNCMRO, Clifton Eakes@na heritage@TNCSRO, Audrey Godell@NA HERITAGE@TNCWRO
Originally From: Adrianne Burk@CIM@TNCHQ
Original Date:  2/7/97  10:55 AM
Comments:



Angela D. Greco
Data Visualization Specialist
DVIC, The Nature Conservancy
[log in to unmask]

-------------------------[Original Message]--------------------------

As you can see, this has been forwarded to me through several people.  The 
information is important for anyone who is an internet user or hopes to be 
one.  The increased communications costs for TNC would be unfortunate, not to 
mention to us individually at home.  

| >>
| >>>  I am writing to you to inform you of a very important matter
| >>>  currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has
| >>>  filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your
| >>>  internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the
| >>>  operation of the telephone network.
| >>>
| >>>  It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were
| >>>  required to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an
| >>>  Email box for your comments, responses must be received by February
| >>>  13, 1997. Send your comments to [log in to unmask] and tell them what you
| >>>  think.
| >>>
| >>>  Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak
| >>>  it in just under the wire for litigation. Let everyone you know here
| >>>  about this one. Get this Email address to everyone you can think of.
| >>>
| >>>  [log in to unmask]
| >>>
| >>>  Please forward this Email to all your friends on the internet so all
| >>>  our voices may be heard!
| >>>
| >>
| >********************************
| >Dr. Craig Howley, director
| >ERIC Clearinghouse on Rural Education & Small Schools
| > PO Box 1348, 1031 Quarrier Street
| > Suite 607, Charleston, WV  25325-1348
| >toll-free--800/624-9120; local--304/347-0463
| >fax--304/347-0487; tdd--304/347-0448
| >web--http://www.ael.org/erichp.htm
| >[log in to unmask]
| >*********************************
| >
| 
| ________________________________
| Beth D. Sattes
| Appalachia Educational Laboratory
| P.O. Box 1348, Charleston, WV  25325-1348
| Ground deliveries: 1031 Quarrier Street, Chas.  WV, 25301
| Phone:  (800) 624-9120 or (304) 347-0414
| FAX:    304.347.0487       email:    [log in to unmask]
| 
| 
| 
From [log in to unmask] Fri Feb  7 08:19:28 1997
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From: Polly Tandon <[log in to unmask]>


<This message has been posted to several lists.  Please
excuse any duplication.>

On January 1, 1997 the American Institute of Physics
launched its Online Journal Service (OJS).  This service
offers libraries and their patrons free access to searchable,
full-text versions of the AIP journals to which they
subscribe.

I hope this brief message clarifies some of the most
common questions we?ve received about AIP?s online
journals.

1. *If you would like to register for this free service* you
may obtain a subscriber agreement at AIP?s website:

	http://webster.aip.org/ojs/service.html

2. *If you have returned a completed Subscriber
Agreement* you will receive an e-mail notification as soon
as we activate your account.  We are currently processing
many requests for the Online Journal Service.

3. *If you have questions about the terms of the
Agreement* please query Dr. John T. Scott, Journal
Publisher, at [log in to unmask]

4. *If would like a launch schedule* see the URL above.
Here, along with other useful information about the service,
you will find the date each journal will become active
online.  Currently, Applied Physics Letters and JETP
Letters (an English translation of the leading Russian
physics letters journal) are up and running; CHAOS, The
Journal of Chemical Physics and Review of Scientific
Instruments will be available by Feb. 17, 1997. All AIP
archival journals will be active by April 15.

5. *If you have technical questions* (about IP classes,
system configurations, etc.), please contact [log in to unmask]
 Note that the only software required at your institution is
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available

The OJS also provides a free gateway to the AIP
abstracts databases SPIN and Advance SPIN.  In
addition, users may  browse tables of contents for all
journals in the service, order documents online, and obtain
contact information for approximately 80,000 physical
scientists worldwide.

If I can answer any other questions about AIP?s online
journal service, please don?t hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely,

Douglas LaFrenier 		[log in to unmask]
Director of Marketing 	516-576-2411 - voice
American Institute of Physics  516-576-2374 - fax

500 Sunnyside Boulevard
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From [log in to unmask] Fri Feb  7 08:20:15 1997
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From: Polly Tandon <[log in to unmask]>

Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:39:50 -0500 (EST)
From: David McCallum <[log in to unmask]>
To: Multiple recipients of list <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: New Canadian E-Pub. Web site

Apologies for cross-posting.

SchoolNet, an internationally acclaimed initiative of Industry Canada,
announces a new Web site devoted to electronic scholarly publishing
in Canada.

The URL of the Canadian Electronic Scholarly Network (CESN) is:

          http://www.schoolnet.ca/vp/cesn

CESN is an easy to use source of comprehensive information about
on-line scholarly publishing in Canada.  It contains links to Canadian
peer-reviewed electronic scholarly journals, and to national and
international electronic publishing projects and articles.  It also
provides information on the Electronic Publishing Promotion Project
(EPPP) led by Industry Canada.

For further information, please contact:

          David L. McCallum
          Principal Consultant
          Electronic Publishing Promotion Project
          Industry Canada - SchoolNet

          Tel.:     (613) 957-8616
          Fax:      (613) 941-2811
          E-Mail:   [log in to unmask]

          (David L. McCallum is on professional leave from the
          position of Executive Director, Canadian Association of
          Research Libraries / Association des bibliotheques de
          recherche du Canada)

Version francaise disponible  (French version available)


--
David L. McCallum  (David L. McCallum Consulting Services)
   Principal Consultant - Industry Canada's Electronic Publishing
   Promotion Project (please see http://www.schoolnet.ca/vp/cesn)
[log in to unmask]   Voice: (613) 237-5208   Fax: (613) 237-8106


From [log in to unmask] Thu Feb  6 10:51:48 1997
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From: [log in to unmask] (Robert Golder)
Subject: Sci. Illustration Summer Job/Internship

The following summer job opportunity is offered by the Photolab/Graphics Dept. at Marine Biological Laboratory, 7 MBL St., Woods Hole, MA  02543.

Scientific Illustration Assistant

Job description:  Primary duties include creation of illustrations, diagrams, charts, graphs and maps by computerized and traditional methods.  Receptionist and client contact duties, in the office and by phone, to greet clients, fill out work order forms and coordinate with other members of the illustrative and photographic team to accomplish jobs.  Other duties as assigned.

Requirements:  Basic familiarity with Macintosh computers and graphics programs, plus experience with traditional drafting and illustration tools and methods,  E-mail and word processing.  Experience with and knowledge of graphics programs for the Apple Macintosh , including Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Pagemaker and/or QuarkXPress.  After a brief orientation, ability to quickly turn out billable work which satisfies customers' requirements.  Skill in dealing with customers or clients in a pleasing, effective manner. 

Pay: $6.00 per hour.

Starting dates: Typically the job starts early to mid- June, and runs through August or into early September.

Additional information:

Please apply to: Human Resources, MBL, 7 MBL St., Woods Hole, MA 02543; 508-289-7422; e-mail: [log in to unmask] - An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action/Non-smoking Workplace.

A portfolio review and interview will be arranged with suitable candidates through Robert Golder (Scientific Illustrator) or Linda Golder	 (Supervisor, Photolab/Graphics).  For more information, telephone  (508) 289-7277  or fax (508) 540-6902  (Attn: R. Golder) or E-mail: [log in to unmask]


Robert Golder     [log in to unmask]
Woods Hole, MA   USA


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From: [log in to unmask] (Elizabeth  Sieferd)
Subject: Re: Casting & moldmaking info

>>
>>Dental alginate can be purchased through your dentist or sometimes medical
>>suppliers will sell it directly to artists.
>
>Thanks Liz--this is great imformation.
>
>>  I always cast a hard
>>copy in plastic resign and if I need more then make a more sturdy mold
>>depending on the number of casts I need to pull.
>
>What do you use for this?

When casting one of a kinds
life casts, more than one sided molds,
then I cast a hard copy immediately and make my molds off the hard copy in
a stronger material like pvc, and other rubbers, if i need multiple pulls.

:) Liz

Elizabeth G. Sieferd
EGS Design Group
4323 S. Section Line Rd Delaware, Ohio
Phone 614. 881. 6012
Fax 614. 881. 4389
Email [log in to unmask]



"Build your castle in the sky, but put a firm foundation under it."


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Hi, All -
	I'm a bit late weighing in on the idle chat discussion, as I haven't
been able to email out for three days ("broken pipe" at Netacape - I
thought this was a highway, not a pipeline. Maybe the pipe broke and
flooded the highway?)
	I digress.  I joined this 'serve in the middle of the earnest
discussions concerning Frank's vacation; I thought it was always like
this! Bummer! However,it's great to get both the chatter and the meaty
information, like going to lunch with everyone - important to someone
who works at home & has no nat sci colleagues anywhere nearby. I weigh
in on the side of specific information in the "subject" spot
	Liz, thanks for the info on dental alginate (algenate?). The
bowl-o-rice is coming along; my mold is ready.  With some hand
sculpting, adding some detail, I think it will work fine. This Apoxie
material seems to be very tough and hard.  When well-anchored and
completely dry, it is extremely difficult to break off any detail
pieces; I made a sample with sculpted apoxie rice grains attached, and
whacked it with a hammer - the surface smashed a bit, but the grains
stuck.  They were just pressed into the surface, so that's pretty good
adhesion.  I just hope none of the Zoo visitors have a hammer!

-Gail

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