hi diana, one thing that comes to mind while reading the input is that the examples fall under two broad categories: instances where the illustrator did not represent the 'current' state of scientific knowledge and those where they did. in the latter case, I do not see this as a mistake. in reality it is merely representing the process of science - which does not define a *truth* but only a current understanding. creationists and other science revisionists often cite these inconsistencies as proof that evolution is a flawed theory. if you choose to include examples that represent that process, I'd suggest structuring the talk so it is clearly shown to be a whole different enchilada. although there are plenty of entertaining stories of museums that mounted the wrong dino skull on a restoration in the their halls, I feel that painting these examples with a broad stroke that puts them in the same category as an illustrator who put too many toes on a known species of salamander (gulp) does a disservice to the whole scientific process. in the case of the slighted salamander, the illustrator made an error that was then disseminated into literature. now THAT's a reason to pile on. (just not too hard, guys) $00.02 -frank > On 2/15/11 7:59 AM, Diana Marques wrote: >> Thank you All for the great contributions! >> >> I have been researching the suggestions and ideas and indeed found >> plenty of "pinned butterflies" in flight and monarchs with six legs >> instead of four (especially in stock art websites...). I have yet to >> find spiders with missing patellas but I can imagine they're also >> abundant out there. >> As far as Peterson's three-toed woodpecker I was unable to find the >> image but some people write about that inaccuracy in his otherwise >> great work. And Barry, you are so right about the flashlight in the >> eyes, overweight captive animals pretending to be in the wild and >> birds with missing feathers. >> Jenny, thank you for mentioning Stephen Jay Gould's book, I was able >> to get it and will extract the information and add to other Charles >> Knight's images. >> Fantastic examples at the Left Handed DNA Hall of Fame, certainly an >> eye-opener. >> >> As far as other things I have or other people provided me with, >> there's my favorite, an image of a shark described as "men devourer" >> with accordingly fire red eyes and bull's nose. And plenty of rubber >> animals as in legs with no articulations, dolphins that can bend like >> cats, among others. >> Regarding a possible journal article, I would be glad to do it with >> the caveat of being a more descriptive text since for most images >> would be difficult to track the illustrator for asking permission for >> reproduction (and even if I did track them, would I want to tell them >> what the purpose was...?) >> >> Thank you again, if you can think of any other examples let me know, >> I can start a little collection we can all look at at GNSI conferences, >> Diana > > Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the > instructions at > http://citnews.unl.edu/presentmethods_lana/listserv/index.html > Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the instructions at http://citnews.unl.edu/presentmethods_lana/listserv/index.html