Janet, I think the diffusion of graphic tools, computer literacy, and availability of "free" imagery through the web does present science artists with large questions on their role in the process of illustrating science. Just as the job of secretary has undergone large changes in the past 50 years due to computer technology, the job of artist/illustrator is undergoing change as well. I just finished a week of preparing and modifying, sometimes on an hourly basis, illustrations for a science mission proposal. Authors of the proposal had all the same software as I did, but that does not mean they knew how to use it well, or create eye pleasing results. What this meant was that I could concentrate on doing what I do best, without every last thing having to be funneled through me. Now I am back to my normal work: illustration, web site management, video preparation, 3D modeling, photography, education and outreach meetings, etc. etc. etc. Than means fewer jobs that are specialized (illustration and graphics, presentations) because more tasks can be spread around to the whole team on a project. The same goes for secretaries. There are fewer of them and they handle specialized tasks that others could do- but the secretaries are now "Departmental Assistants" and know these tasks better, and fewer "secretaries" service a larger group of customers. Writing and typing are now relegated to the customer because they can do it "good enough". That means there are fewer positions for publication editors as well. The job of Presentation and Illustration creation in the current situation means that you have to be significantly better at it than your customers, so that you can be brought in when the new, customized, and specific information needs to be presented in a eye grabbing manner. This is when the "free" art and standard templates will not cut it. This is when an artist is still needed. What this means however is that there is likely to be no formal way to learn the craft through an apprentice system on a team of artists. That is how it use to be done. The "graphics shop" is no more. Now it is often people who know how to do stuff along with their original job, and they gradually specialize. Shops are now only possible in larger organizations, and these need to have a goal closely associated with a major component of the organizations mission. We have a shadow of our former graphics shop here in an organization of 7000 employees. It now deals with publication graphics, web design, specialized photography, and government printing. Presentation graphics is gone. And it is no longer the first stop for anyone except for government contracted printing. It stays alive by having specialized, quality skills. But it only gets a small percentage of the work it would once have gotten- mostly work that will be appearing to the outside world (and not all of that either). Almost none of the internal work. That is done by customers cause it is "good enough". Another example is the Proposal Office. We have one here with a couple graphic/presentation specialists, but they have a hard time staffing up in rush periods, so even the proposal work is now being diffused throughout the organization when there is a crush of work. That is why I was working on proposal art all last week. I am happy to do it. The customers like the more informal give and take they can get from me, since I am with them, not with the proposal office. So to sum up, you need to be better at your job than your customers (specialization). But you need a wide variety of skills to take on multiple types of work from many different kinds of customers (generalization). To your specific point of creating educational materials for the classroom, we are in the era of "good enough" when it comes to customers creating and experimenting with their own teaching materials. But if they want it to spread and be recognized at a peer-professional, they will come to a professional to make it look good. And if you are good at the job of communication and user needs, you will find that a teacher has their blind spots as well and will collaborate if they know you are good at communication techniques. Specialize the quality of your skills, but generalize your customer base with more types of products. Britt ___________ Hello, My question is to some extent on a similar plane to this one. I am curious for those of you that work in sciences, particularly in an education manner, how many of you help create extension brochures/websites/presentations? I am wondering how much of a need is there for artists/scientists to help design/create educational materials, without being a teacher. I have spoken to some individuals at the university here, who for the most part have a Doctoral degree, they teach, and they create their own educational materials. However, once in awhile there are some with MS degrees or less that help create Powerpoint presentations or similar tools for their PhD. Scientists. Some scientists seem to predict that the need for extension specialists at the state level and PhD. level may become grant funded or private funded positions, so then I wonder will there be fewer jobs available for 'just extension publication assistants'? 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