I have heard what Karen says here many times in my researching of Children's books. In fact, something that happens a lot in Writer/Illustrator collaborations is that the story may be accepted but not the Illustrations Or vice versa...the story is rejected and the Illustrator is contacted by the publisher to submit a portfolio for future projects. Another tip I have read is that when submitting a manuscript for a picture book, it is not necessary to commit the entire story to picture "yet". Illustrate several key scenes, one or 2 in full color and some in sketch form. Show that you can maintain the character's "look" consistently throughout several scenes. A seasoned publisher can tell right away if the illustrations are right for the story. This could save you a whole bunch of uncompensated work in creating a complete illustrated "dummy". No matter how well a person draws, they may not have the skill to draw for children (as odd as that might sound). Check our some of the resources on this website. Karl http://www.scbwi.com/ -----Original Message----- From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen Ackoff Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:28 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Children's book Illustrations I been in this same situation a number of times. I understand you've already committed to the project, but the following information might be helpful to yourself and others in the future. When approached with this request, I explain to the author that, in general, publishers prefer to first accept a manuscript and then find an illustrator. I don't know the reasons, but this is the tendency. So I refer the author to any number of books that are available on writing and publishing children's books, and suggest that they first get their manuscript accepted by a publisher. Then I would be glad to provide a sample illustration(s) and take things from there. That usually discourages most people. You might also explain that illustrating the typical picture book can take an average of approximately a year. This includes sketching and "getting to know" your characters, exploring them from different views, in different positions. Also explain that you can't afford to work for free. While you would expect to get royalties once the book is published, a publisher would also pay a certain amount up front (an advance on royalties); is your friend prepared to do the same? Asking someone to work for free on the chance that a book is published is a BIG favor. It is, of course, a different matter if it's a project (or person) close to your heart. Then it is a labor of love and my comments are moot. Please note that there are always exceptions to the rule... but this might help in discussing future book projects. Good luck. Karen On May 3, 2004, at 9:28 AM, J.D. Lake wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I've agreed (begrudgingly) to illustrating a children's book for a > friend of mine. It's been so long since I've done any cartooning and > was wondering if anyone would have any suggestions or could direct me > to some > helpful reference material. I've been staring at blank illustration > board > or throwing it across the room in fits of anger since I attempted to > begin. I'm near the end of my rope. Thanks for any assistance or > advice > (other than I shouldn't have agreed to do it). > > Joel > > > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the > E.U.P. Telecommunications Consortium Internet service.