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H Karl, You're welcome! Mieke _____ From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karl Gehrman Sent: maandag 11 september 2006 22:43 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SCIART] [SPAM] Re: [SCIART] TAN: X Creature Hi Mieke I somehow totally missed your response. You are so right in every thing you have said. Thanks. Karl -----Original Message----- From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mieke Roth Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 2:44 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SCIART] TAN: X Creature Importance: Low Dear all, Although I am not sure also, I think it is a beluga whale, Delphinapterus leucas. This would be the first animal you think of, since the pictures are from Russia, but I can imagine that the teeth got everyone on the wrong track. The length and the body shape are correct with that of a beluga. For comparison, see: http://www.skullsunlimited.com/cetacea.htm and http://www.skullsunlimited.com/graphics/tq-238-lg.jpg The issue with the teeth was also troublesome for me, until I saw the 8th picture: <http://www.englishrussia.com/images/russian_sakhalin_monster/monster8.jpg> http://www.englishrussia.com/images/russian_sakhalin_monster/monster8.jpg It looks as if the teeth are broken somehow. The order of the teeth and the shape of the jaw are as if from a beluga whale. The reason why I think it isn't a hoax is because the total looks natural, even with the large skin like rubble on the top of the skull: Belugas have a large amount of soft tissue on their heads and are famous for skin shedding every year. The skull is definitely a sea mammal skull: the nose is not visible and the shape of the jaw is too "sophisticated" for a reptile. And I can't think of any current herbivore that has a teeth order like a carnivore. Mieke P.S. I love the skeksis! _____ From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of amanda Sent: zaterdag 9 september 2006 3:47 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SCIART] TAN: X Creature I'm with Jeremy on this one. It's a skeksis alright (or a mystic) ----- Original Message ----- From: jeremy <mailto:[log in to unmask]> swan To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [SCIART] TAN: X Creature I found out what it is! I knew this thing looked familiar! It's a skeksis! Here's a picture: http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Reviews/DarkCrystal/Images/Skeksis.jpg <http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Reviews/DarkCrystal/Images/Skeksis.jpg%20> On 9/8/06, Britt Griswold <[log in to unmask]> wrote: There are some alternate photos (too small) here: http://www.boingboing.net/ Bottom of the page. I think the claim of hair is a bit suspect; the decomposition is advanced. That stringy stuff could be anything. It is definitely whale-like. The teeth are either very worn down or very unusual. Check this out too: < <http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20372915-5006003,00.htm l> http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20372915-5006003,00.html > This one is interesting also: <http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_151306.php <http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_151306.php> > Cryptozoology is soo much fun! Britt >Wow Karl, >At first I thought it was a Sei whale, but the >tail doesn't look right. Maybe it's a dragon? >Stoney > >Karl Gehrman < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >Ok I know this is on topic but I just had to see >if one of you has any idea what the creature >pictured at this link is ? > >I think there a few skull collectors on the list a maybe a taxidermist. > >At first I thought it was a porpoise of some kind. >But the tail end is all wrong. > >But look at those teeth, they look flat like plant eaters! > >It does not seem to be fake, but the "hide" could be covering something. > >Any ideas? > > ><http://englishrussia.com/?p=251> http://englishrussia.com/?p=251 > >Karl -- Britt Griswold 823 Holly Drive East Annapolis, MD 21401 (301) 286-3381 W (410) 757-8379 H [log in to unmask] Guild of Natural Science Illustrators