For people who want to pursue the topic I would recommend anything by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Good thinker, clear, to the point. No fuzzy arguments.
Now I'm off to work. Joan

On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Mieke Roth wrote:

Hi Bruce,
It is not as bad as I hear from the US, but there seem to be more people over here that do believe in the 7 days that I could imagine. But thinking of our history, I don't think they will gain much ground.
To make a small twist on my previous remark: although I am agnostic, I am leaning more towards atheism that towards believe: for me (with the emphasis on me. I respect that other people do believe differently) the change that there is a god is very small because if there was there should be more evidence. But that is just a lose remark, I don't want to start a religious discussion.  
And as one Dutch philosopher said: the evolution theory is as solid as the Pythagorean theorem.

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An excellent point, Barbara.  I won't add to this discussion because I can't comprehend chosen ignorance, but certainly agree with your statements that there is nothing exclusionary about religion and evolution.  At least not to those with an open, inquiring mind.  

I hope the more radical of the Creationists won't gain the foothold they have here in U.S., Mieke.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Barbara Harmon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Mieke, 
Actually there are many, many things going on.  I won't list them but when I was reading about it I got an impression that many of them are in the SF Bay area in CA.  However they are literally all over the country (even in the deep south!), and particularly in cities with colleges and universities.
Yes, The Creationists have "attack plans"  all over here as well.  I missed a PBS show the other night on where things stand at this time in the argument for presenting Creation Science in schools.  By the way, these people are not simply Christians, so you should not call them that (much of religion and Christianity is compatible with Darwinian evolution - that is a point which has always bothered me - it is not necessarily ONE or the OTHER).   It is theCreationists that take the bible literally and believe in a 7-day creation, including man being separate (and above) other species.  And they have made it a "science", much to our disbelief.
Regardless, enjoy the day and celebrate!!
Barbara Harmon

On Feb 12, 2009, at 7:43 AM, Mieke Roth wrote:

Hi Barbara,
I didn't know it was Lincoln's birthday too! Congratulations to you all!
In the Netherlands the birthday of Darwin is a big thing: today is the official opening of the Darwin Year at museum Naturalis in Leiden, our natural history museum, by Robbert Dijkgraaf the president of the KNAW (the royal institute of arts and science in the Netherlands) and on tv and other media there is a lot of attention for the origin of species since the beginning of 2009. I have a blog at one of our national newspapers and most of the bloggers there made a "scienceblog" today in honor of Darwin. I wrote one about the evolution of whales. Contrary to what I normally do, completely without illustrations! I didn't have the time for it, but I am planning on continuing about whales and make a series out of it.
Unfortunally some christian groups have a plan to send a leaflet to each house in the Netherlands today to explain that the evolution theory is rubbish. The content of the leaflet is already known and they don't do a good job, luckily. Although I think that some people who really don't know anything about biology and geology will think otherwise.
I know that a lot of US citizens still belief in the six days of the bible, but are there no festivities at all?

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I'm sure most of you know this but in case you have forgotten, today is the 200th birthday of two great innovative thinkers, Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin!
Barbara Harmon


Bruce Bartrug
Nobleboro, Maine, USA
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