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And then there are those if us who apply the pastel dust with a brush...bridging the two terms nicely... :) Amanda Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Savage <[log in to unmask]> Sender: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:12:07 To: <[log in to unmask]> Reply-to: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [SCIART] Painting Versus Painting I think the official museum take is that a pastel is a drawing. I think the official pasatelist take is that a pastel, when used to fully render a subject, is a painting. Maybe they will catch up to us! hee-hee! What do the colored pencilists say? They render color in a line, which Webster defines as a drawing, but their finished work looks like a painting. Cheers, Patricia Savage Mayapple Studio 919-859-2789 (h), 919-438-6766 (m) www.psavageart.com Join me on Facebook On 9/7/11 4:00 PM, Kathleen Garness wrote: > And also 'muddying' the conversation a bit is remembering that not all > pastels are chalk-based, that there are oil pastels also. ; ) And > those can be marvelously thinned and slurped over the support like a > watercolor if so desired. So then do you call it a 'drawing'? Or a > painting? And is the application process itself in that case called > 'painting' or 'drawing'? > > I have always tried to avoid the 'paint' versus 'draw' discussion by > saying that I 'work' in pastels (and watercolor, and digital, but > that's beside the point ; )). A finished piece is either a drawing (if > it's a sketch, showing mostly linework) or a painting, if it's full > color and fully rendered. But that's just my bias. > > And where along the paint/draw continuum are the fully-rendered > sketchbook artworks we do? Is that 'drawing' or 'painting' or > something else entirely? : ) > > At the Art Institute of Chicago, they have their pastels in the > "Prints and Drawings" division, if that's any help to this at all. > Perhaps other museums have different practices? > > Maybe I will email my bud CJBeck and ask him what he thinks. : ) He > does wonderful pastel figurative work. > > Kathy G > > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Patricia Savage wrote: > >> Wow! This is a nice thread to come back to! >> >> When I first learned how to "paint" with pastels in college, it was >> called "drawing". Over the last upteen years (ahem!), pastelists now >> tend to refer to sketching in pastel as drawing because you are doing >> more line work than painting and a full fledged piece of artwork as a >> painting. I believe that there are some artists who learned that >> "painting" can *only* be done with a brush or anything that comes >> from a tube and that anything else is a drawing. Many, many >> pastelists don't apply pastels as a line, they only use the side and >> apply the paint in a broad sweep. >> >> I think that for many pastelists, that painting is "the process, art, >> or occupation of coating surfaces with paint for ...artistic effect" >> (Webster). Laying down pastel colors for me anyway, is no different >> than what I do colorwise in oils or watercolor. The biggest >> differences are that I mix my pigments on the surface rather than on >> a palette and I'm dealing with chalk and not something liquid (which >> is what paint is). >> >> We pastelists regularly call our finished work a "painting". Whether >> this is technically correct or not, we say paints when we refer to >> our sticks, but this would be confusing to someone who does not paint >> in pastels and is used to paints meaning something from a tube. >> >> I guess, since for me having painted in pastels and talked to >> pastelists for so long that the terminology is no longer new, I am >> wondering at what point in the text does it sound confusing? I went >> through the text again and need to see it through your eyes. I guess >> that part you can send to me off-list. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Patricia Savage >> > > ________________________________________________ > > Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the > instructions at > http://citnews.unl.edu/presentmethods_lana/listserv/index.html > Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the instructions at http://citnews.unl.edu/presentmethods_lana/listserv/index.html