I'm not sure that (m)any Staphyliniformia have such deep and complex sculpture on the elytra? If I'm right about squamosity, then it pretty much rules out Staphyliniformia also ... ________________________________ From: Max Barclay <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2013 12:50 AM Subject: Re: Pleistocene scarab fragments? Look at the apex of the elytra.. that looks like an elytron that doesn't cover the whole abdomen, i.e. leaves some segments visible from above. I have no idea how big they are of course, but I would have started with Staphyliniformia- some histeroid or omaliine or something.. that doesn't say scarab or weevil to me.. M Maxwell V. L. Barclay Curator and Collection Manager Entomology: Coleoptera & Hemiptera Department of Life Sciences Natural History Museum London SW7 5BD T: 0207 942 5911 M: 07766331806 E: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> My NHM Webpage<http://tinyurl.com/cas5fdk> Check out our Beetle Blog<http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/blogs/beetles/2013/01/03/happy-new-year-2013-from-the-coleoptera-team> Facebook: 'Friends of Coleoptera'<http://tinyurl.com/c9pohyf> Twitter: @Coleopterist Flickr: see our photostream<http://www.flickr.com/photos/nhm_beetle_id/> for the best images of NHM beetles and bugs ________________________________ From: Scarab Beetle Taxonomy Discussion List [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Paul Schoolmeesters [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 22 June 2013 13:34 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Pleistocene scarab fragments? It looks a bit like Euparixoides, but these are South American species Paul Schoolmeesters Langeveldstraat, 23 B-3020 Herent Belgium e-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Coprophagous Scarabaeidae of the world http://www.datascaraebaeoidea.net/Index.html http://www.museum.unl.edu/research/entomology/workers/PSchoolmeesters.htm From: Scarab Beetle Taxonomy Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frank T. Krell Sent: samedi 22 juin 2013 00:40 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Pleistocene scarab fragments? Hi all, I am a little bit lost, so it’s time to ask the list, I guess. I am working on scarab fragments of a Pleistocene site of Colorado. Most of them are Aphodius heads (or Aphodius s.l. heads, for the splitters). I also got a few elytral fragments with a pretty distinct sculpture, consisting of broad deep, largely punctured stripes and not much broader, elevated, equally largely punctured intervals (see attached photo). I thought I have seen such elytra before, but cannot remember. I got them as possible scarabs, but I am struggling to find a North American scarab with such elytra. Could it be something else? I cc to Mike Ivie because he knows all those little families that nobody else knows (or are you on the Scarbs-L list, Mike?). Any ideas? Thanks! Frank Dr. Frank-T. Krell Curator of Entomology Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature Chair, ICZN ZooBank Committee Department of Zoology Denver Museum of Nature & Science 2001 Colorado Boulevard Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244 Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492 http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab The Denver Museum of Nature & Science aspires to create a community of critical thinkers who understand the lessons of the past and act as responsible stewards of the future.