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Subject: [CALONTIR] [calontir-heralds] Laurel results are in!
Date: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 12:02 am

Greetings to All,
The Armorial and Saker website have been updated to reflect the items in this LOAR.
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Gunnar Thorisson
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 22:09:38 +0000
Subject: [calontir-heralds] Laurel results are in!

From the May 2013 Letter of Acceptances and Returns:


Antonia de Cordoba. Name and device. Or, on a bend argent fimbriated between two sheep passant sable three roses proper.
Nice 15th century Spanish name (among other times)!

Collette Storme. Name and device. Argent, a bat-winged dragon's head cabossed per pale sable and vert, a bordure per pale vert and sable.
This name mixes a French given name and a Flemish (Dutch) byname; this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.

Cora da Monte. Device. Sable, on a pile argent a spider sable.

Elizabet Walker of Paislay. Device. Purpure, within a horseshoe inverted argent a horse's head couped Or, on a chief argent three roses purpure.

Jacqueline Storme. Name (see RETURNS for device).
This name mixes a French given name and a Flemish (Dutch) byname; this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.

Lasair Táilliúir. Badge. Gules, on a flame argent a sheep passant sable and on a chief argent a Lochaber axe sable.

Letoslava Dragonova. Device. Gules, a three-headed dragon argent within an orle argent ermined gules.

Luc Fitz Warrin. Name and device. Or, an escutcheon between three annulets, a chief embattled sable.
The documentation for both elements of the name was not as strong as we generally expect to justify registration: the given name citations were not clearly for Luc as opposed to a scribal abbreviation for Lucas and the byname spelling appears to have been modernized.
Luckily commenters were able to find better documentation. The spelling Luc is dated to 1390 as the name of the saint in the Middle English Dictionary s.v. gospel. Eastern Crown was able to find Fitz-Warrin dated to the reign of Henry VI "at p. 645 in An exact abridgement of the records in the Tower of London ( printed in 1657." There are also examples of Fitz X without the hyphen, so this can be registered as submitted.

Melisent McAffee. Device. Per chevron Or and vert, two fleurs-de-lys purpure and three thistles Or.

Raven Wyld. Name and device. Argent, a fess embattled counter-embattled azure between a raven displayed and a sea-wolf contourny sable, a bordure embattled azure.
Dolphin was able to date the German byname Wyld to 1615 in the FamilySearch Historical Records.
As the bird here is indistinguishable from an eagle displayed, we would have reblazoned it as such, but chose to retain the original blazon in order to preserve the cant. There is a step from period practice for the use of a non-eagle displayed.
Please advise the submitter to draw the raven and sea-wolf with internal detailing to aid in their identification.

R{oe}þrekr Herkja. Name and device. Per fess argent and azure, three owls counterchanged.
Nice device!

Vladek Sasul. Device. Per bend purpure and sable, a serpent in annulo vorant of its tail within an orle argent.

Sherry Foxwell. Reblazon of badge. Sable, a horse's head couped within a descrescent argent.
Reblazoned in April 2012 as Sable, within a decrescent a horse's head couped argent, this is a primary horse's head and a secondary decrescent.


Gobbán Mac Roibeáird. Device. Vert, a chevron cotised between two blacksmith's tongs fesswise respectant and a brazier argent.
This device is returned for conflict with the device of Siobhán ní Bhreoghain, Vert, a chevron cotised between two suns in splendor and an open book argent. There is a DC for the change in type of the secondary charges, but nothing else.

Jacqueline Storme. Device. Azure, a Celtic cross Or winged, in chief three estoiles argent, a bordure argent semy of lilies azure.
This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." The lilies on the bordure here as so small as to be unidentifiable. Drawing the bordure wider would allow more room for larger lilies, which might help increase their identifiability.
Commenters also discussed whether or not the wing placement on the cross was allowable. Adding wings to an inanimate object is always tricky, particularly to a charge not known in period armory, but the practice in general is period. As the wings are in the approximate area one would expect, they are fine.

Meryk ap Cadell. Badge. (Fieldless) An increscent and a decrescent conjoined in fess per pale sable and Or surmounted by a wolf's head cabossed maintaining in its mouth a quarrel reversed counterchanged.
This badge is returned for violating our ban on so-called "barely overall" charges. This is described better in SENA Appendix I.D which states "An overall charge must have a significant portion on the field; a design with a charge that has only a little bit sticking over the edges of an underlying charge is known as "barely overall" and is not registerable." In this case, the wolf's head is mainly on the crescents, and only barely overlapping onto the field. It may not be possible to redraw this design with a properly overall wolf's head without obscuring the crescents entirely.

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