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Indeed. And Bruce knows how much time it took to make the rat skeleton ;-p

 

Mieke

 

P.S. this one:  <http://sketchfab.com/mk4jihg20>
http://sketchfab.com/mk4jihg20 (because I don't want you to wait for a
cliffhanger ;-). )

 

Mieke Roth

Scientific and technical illustrations

Mieke Roth, Msc.

Breehorn 46

8223 CN Lelystad

The Netherlands

 <http://www.miekeroth.com> www.miekeroth.com 

+31 (0)320 412117

 

Van: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Bruce Bartrug
Verzonden: zondag 7 juli 2013 18:19
Aan: [log in to unmask]
Onderwerp: Re: [SCIART] appropriate fee for re-use of an illustration?

 

Taina,

It's not only a shame, but a tragedy in my humble opinion.  Illustrators
produce some terrific art, and should be paid appropriately.

Payments for photos, even commercial photos, hasn't kept up with inflation
either.

By the way :), my comment about art generated on a computer was completely
generic and not aimed at anyone in particular.  To be honest I came to this
thread late and had no idea who "she" referred to.  No injury intended to
anyone, including "she"  :).

Too, and not to be a crank, I have seen some superb illustrations done
entirely, or almost entirely, using computer software.  Especially subject
matter such as insects.  I've also seen some awful computer art.

Cheers,

b  

 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Britt Griswold <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

I agree that a person should be paid better than photos for illustration
work, but you are competing  with photos, so you have to do something
different and better than a photo to get a better price, even for reuse.


Britt Griswold
Manager, http://www.science-art.com
bgriswold_at_science-art.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Bartrug [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
To: [log in to unmask]

Sent: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 21:04:34 -0400
Subject: Re: [SCIART] appropriate fee for re-use of an illustration?

I agree she should get paid for her time, but I'm quite amazed at the
stagnation of fees.  Photos (usually) take a lot less time than
illustrations, even those generated on a computer.  I think it's quite the
shame, really.

b


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Britt Griswold
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> I'm at the GNSI conference here in Bar Harbor. But I thought your question
> is worth a quick diversion from dinner (We are at Stewman's on the dock
> here in Bar Harbor proper).  I agree with you that that the prices seem
> low.  I have heard from others that the prices paid for illustration have
> not risen in years, this is a true phenomena it appears. I think the
market
> has changed a lot with the advent to the internet and the mass collections
> of images. Hopefully the process of getting new art and reuse has also
> improved in efficiency to make up for the stagnate pricing (I don't think
> it has really, but that is the hope). I do think she maybe in a little
> better bargaining position if the art is custom to the book. But remember
> this is a run of only 3000 books, so there is a limit on what she can
> expect.  She should make sure she is paid enough for the time she spends
on
> getting the process done.
>
> Britt Griswold
> Manager, http://www.science-art.com
> bgriswold_at_science-art.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce Bartrug [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:22:19 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SCIART] appropriate fee for re-use of an illustration?
>

> I'm rather surprised at the quoted rates.  I'm not being a crank, but I
was
> paid $175 for a photo of a mimosa flower to be used in a biology
> text.....25 years ago.  If the prices haven't changed in that time period,
> I'm wondering how anyone makes a living at this anymore.  That's a serious
> question, and I repeat:  I'm not being a crank.
>
> b
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Britt Griswold <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
>
> > As a rough estimate, I looked up the use of an illustration, interior
> > textbook, for use in Hong Kong on the Getty Image site. Interestingly
> Korea
> > was not even on the list of Country choices...
> >
> > First edition use was $290, subsequent Edition use was $180.
> >
> > Corbis gave a flat $175 for textbook inside, 1/2 page image. They did
> have
> > South Korea on their pick list.
> >
> > As you can see they are not asking for large amounts.  I think you may
> > want to ask at that level at least. Send them a contract (digitally) and
> > have them sign it and return it digitally, and have them put the money
in
> > your Paypal account before you send them the permission.
> >
> > Britt Griswold
> > Science-Art.com manager
> >
> >
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>
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