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Indeed. And Bruce knows how much time it took to make the rat skeleton ;-p

 

Mieke

 

P.S. this one: http://sketchfab.com/mk4jihg20 (because I don’t want you to wait for a cliffhanger ;-). )

 

Mieke Roth

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Van: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Bruce Bartrug
Verzonden: zondag 7 juli 2013 18:19
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Onderwerp: Re: [SCIART] appropriate fee for re-use of an illustration?

 

Taina,

It's not only a shame, but a tragedy in my humble opinion.  Illustrators produce some terrific art, and should be paid appropriately.

Payments for photos, even commercial photos, hasn't kept up with inflation either.

By the way :), my comment about art generated on a computer was completely generic and not aimed at anyone in particular.  To be honest I came to this thread late and had no idea who "she" referred to.  No injury intended to anyone, including "she"  :).

Too, and not to be a crank, I have seen some superb illustrations done entirely, or almost entirely, using computer software.  Especially subject matter such as insects.  I've also seen some awful computer art.

Cheers,

 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Britt Griswold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I agree that a person should be paid better than photos for illustration work, but you are competing  with photos, so you have to do something different and better than a photo to get a better price, even for reuse.


Britt Griswold
Manager, http://www.science-art.com
bgriswold_at_science-art.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Bartrug [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
To: [log in to unmask]

Sent: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 21:04:34 -0400
Subject: Re: [SCIART] appropriate fee for re-use of an illustration?

I agree she should get paid for her time, but I'm quite amazed at the
stagnation of fees.  Photos (usually) take a lot less time than
illustrations, even those generated on a computer.  I think it's quite the
shame, really.

b


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Britt Griswold <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> I'm at the GNSI conference here in Bar Harbor. But I thought your question
> is worth a quick diversion from dinner (We are at Stewman's on the dock
> here in Bar Harbor proper).  I agree with you that that the prices seem
> low.  I have heard from others that the prices paid for illustration have
> not risen in years, this is a true phenomena it appears. I think the market
> has changed a lot with the advent to the internet and the mass collections
> of images. Hopefully the process of getting new art and reuse has also
> improved in efficiency to make up for the stagnate pricing (I don't think
> it has really, but that is the hope). I do think she maybe in a little
> better bargaining position if the art is custom to the book. But remember
> this is a run of only 3000 books, so there is a limit on what she can
> expect.  She should make sure she is paid enough for the time she spends on
> getting the process done.
>
> Britt Griswold
> Manager, http://www.science-art.com
> bgriswold_at_science-art.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce Bartrug [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:22:19 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SCIART] appropriate fee for re-use of an illustration?
>

> I'm rather surprised at the quoted rates.  I'm not being a crank, but I was
> paid $175 for a photo of a mimosa flower to be used in a biology
> text.....25 years ago.  If the prices haven't changed in that time period,
> I'm wondering how anyone makes a living at this anymore.  That's a serious
> question, and I repeat:  I'm not being a crank.
>
> b
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Britt Griswold <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
>
> > As a rough estimate, I looked up the use of an illustration, interior
> > textbook, for use in Hong Kong on the Getty Image site. Interestingly
> Korea
> > was not even on the list of Country choices...
> >
> > First edition use was $290, subsequent Edition use was $180.
> >
> > Corbis gave a flat $175 for textbook inside, 1/2 page image. They did
> have
> > South Korea on their pick list.
> >
> > As you can see they are not asking for large amounts.  I think you may
> > want to ask at that level at least. Send them a contract (digitally) and
> > have them sign it and return it digitally, and have them put the money in
> > your Paypal account before you send them the permission.
> >
> > Britt Griswold
> > Science-Art.com manager
> >
> >
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>
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