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Indeed.  And an awesome project, Mieke.

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On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Mieke Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Indeed. And Bruce knows how much time it took to make the rat skeleton ;-p
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> *Van:* SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] *Namens *Bruce Bartrug
> *Verzonden:* zondag 7 juli 2013 18:19
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> *Onderwerp:* Re: [SCIART] appropriate fee for re-use of an illustration?**
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> Taina,****
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> It's not only a shame, but a tragedy in my humble opinion.  Illustrators
> produce some terrific art, and should be paid appropriately.****
>
> Payments for photos, even commercial photos, hasn't kept up with inflation
> either.****
>
> By the way :), my comment about art generated on a computer was completely
> generic and not aimed at anyone in particular.  To be honest I came to this
> thread late and had no idea who "she" referred to.  No injury intended to
> anyone, including "she"  :).****
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> Too, and not to be a crank, I have seen some superb illustrations done
> entirely, or almost entirely, using computer software.  Especially subject
> matter such as insects.  I've also seen some awful computer art.****
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> Cheers,****
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> b  ****
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> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Britt Griswold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:****
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> I agree that a person should be paid better than photos for illustration
> work, but you are competing  with photos, so you have to do something
> different and better than a photo to get a better price, even for reuse.**
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>
> Britt Griswold
> Manager, http://www.science-art.com
> bgriswold_at_science-art.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce Bartrug [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> To: [log in to unmask]****
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> Sent: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 21:04:34 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SCIART] appropriate fee for re-use of an illustration?****
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> I agree she should get paid for her time, but I'm quite amazed at the
> stagnation of fees.  Photos (usually) take a lot less time than
> illustrations, even those generated on a computer.  I think it's quite the
> shame, really.
>
> b
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> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Britt Griswold <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
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> > Bruce,
> >
> > I'm at the GNSI conference here in Bar Harbor. But I thought your
> question
> > is worth a quick diversion from dinner (We are at Stewman's on the dock
> > here in Bar Harbor proper).  I agree with you that that the prices seem
> > low.  I have heard from others that the prices paid for illustration have
> > not risen in years, this is a true phenomena it appears. I think the
> market
> > has changed a lot with the advent to the internet and the mass
> collections
> > of images. Hopefully the process of getting new art and reuse has also
> > improved in efficiency to make up for the stagnate pricing (I don't think
> > it has really, but that is the hope). I do think she maybe in a little
> > better bargaining position if the art is custom to the book. But remember
> > this is a run of only 3000 books, so there is a limit on what she can
> > expect.  She should make sure she is paid enough for the time she spends
> on
> > getting the process done.
> >
> > Britt Griswold
> > Manager, http://www.science-art.com
> > bgriswold_at_science-art.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bruce Bartrug [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:22:19 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [SCIART] appropriate fee for re-use of an illustration?
> >****
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> > I'm rather surprised at the quoted rates.  I'm not being a crank, but I
> was
> > paid $175 for a photo of a mimosa flower to be used in a biology
> > text.....25 years ago.  If the prices haven't changed in that time
> period,
> > I'm wondering how anyone makes a living at this anymore.  That's a
> serious
> > question, and I repeat:  I'm not being a crank.
> >
> > b
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Britt Griswold <
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> > >wrote:
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> > > As a rough estimate, I looked up the use of an illustration, interior
> > > textbook, for use in Hong Kong on the Getty Image site. Interestingly
> > Korea
> > > was not even on the list of Country choices...
> > >
> > > First edition use was $290, subsequent Edition use was $180.
> > >
> > > Corbis gave a flat $175 for textbook inside, 1/2 page image. They did
> > have
> > > South Korea on their pick list.
> > >
> > > As you can see they are not asking for large amounts.  I think you may
> > > want to ask at that level at least. Send them a contract (digitally)
> and
> > > have them sign it and return it digitally, and have them put the money
> in
> > > your Paypal account before you send them the permission.
> > >
> > > Britt Griswold
> > > Science-Art.com manager
> > >
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