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Kateryn -

Would that be for art purposes? I've always understood that for
forging/furnaces, the harder the better.

-- Logan --


On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Debra Hense <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> A finer, softer, charcoal can also be made from grapevine vines.
> Surround with clay and pop in the fire until done - usually an hour or
> so later.  It takes some experimenting.
>
> Kateryn
>
> On 10/3/13, john heitman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > ah, but they DO do it alone.  textile people are a little more nuts than
> we
> > are.  And while it is nice to have many people, one person can do all
> this.
> > They just have to have time.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Stefan li Rous
> > <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> >
> >> Franz replied to me with:
> >>
> >> On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:12 PM, john heitman <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> you know the thing about a hobby is that you have time to do things.
> >>  There isn't any rush on any of this. Which is why it is fun.
> >>
> >>
> >> Correct. My concern would be to be able to make sure each step was done
> >> well enough, before going on to the next.  I'd hate to see everyone get
> >> weeks into the project and find out it failed because the charcoal made
> >> in
> >> step one wasn't completely dry enough or whatever and ruined step four
> or
> >> whatever.
> >>
> >> But by making sure each step is done sufficiently before moving on, and
> >> by
> >> spreading this over multiple weeks, that helps keep you from rushing on
> >> and
> >> "hoping this will do". You can redo a step or go buy charcoal in this
> >> case.
> >>
> >> If you enjoy making the raw materials or tools needed for your later
> >> "main" experiment, than by all means, do so!
> >>
> >>
> >> locate the wood as waste wood.  have a lumber mill across the river who
> >> GAVE us massive amounts of edge bark cuts for the William Marshal event.
> >> All we had to do was come get it.  We got three trailers full. That
> would
> >> make a quality Friday to Sunday char of quality hardwood.
> >>
> >>
> >> That is the kind of wood scraps that my household has often got for
> >> Pennsic, by the pickup truck load.  I'm not sure what the effect, if
> any,
> >> is of the high amount of bark.
> >>
> >> Depending upon the size of the wood pile, I'm not sure you can construct
> >> it, cover it with dirt and burn it in two days.  The article I showed,
> >> also
> >> built a rock oven around the wood pieces.  The medieval charcoallers
> took
> >> much longer, but there piles of wood were larger.
> >>
> >> A second weekend or so would be the construction of the oven. Two day
> job
> >> max.  There is another weekend.
> >>
> >>
> >> The Pennsic folks seem to build their oven in less than a day. You do
> >> need
> >> to find some good clay, also.
> >>
> >> A day trip to Ironton to get the ore. make that a third saturday.
> >>
> >> A Great Smelt Weekend after all things have been assembled and gathered
> >> in
> >> one place.
> >>
> >> And a fifth weekend to actually work the resulting iron on the anvil.
> >>
> >>
> >> I think this is where the Pennsic efforts have usually fallen short of
> >> time. Bring in newbie blacksmiths. :-) Lots of simple pounding and
> switch
> >> off as folks get tired.  THIS is why they started developing
> water-driven
> >> hammers when they could. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> And if it takes a year to get everybody and everything together, who
> >> cares?  those who are truly desirous will be involved over several years
> >> if
> >> need be. Those who expect to get it all done in a day aren't fully
> vested
> >> in the total experience.
> >>
> >> Gerald is STILL working on the Great Machine how many years later?   I
> am
> >> in year one of a five year orchard/vinyard/garden project.
> >>
> >>
> >> And unfortunately, I've not seen it. :-( Only sparse descriptions.  He
> >> declares he isn't a good writer.  Someone please work with him and
> create
> >> an article or series of articles on it. With pictures, preferably.  I'd
> >> really like to have this in the Florilegium!
> >>
> >>  We joke about sheep to shawl projects, but it takes nine months to grow
> >> the wool, another day to wash and comb it. Another two days to dye and
> >> dry.
> >>  Two to three days MINIMUM to spin, and another week to warp the loom.
> >> Add
> >> at least a week to weave and a day to sew.
> >>
> >>
> >> I think the bigger point is that no one person did all of this
> >> themselves.
> >> It was done by a series of craftsmen.
> >>
> >>
> >> If you do all this in your spare time, it adds up to several months at
> >> least.  Which is why the result is so impressive. True craftsmen
> >> recognize
> >> the amount of effort that goes into the total project.
> >>
> >>
> >> And sometimes they give up, first. I thought it would be great to make
> >> coopered barrels. Then I researched how they had to be cut (radially,
> not
> >> saw cut) and how they have to be carved to curve in all three
> dimensions.
> >> And fit together very tightly if you want a container for liquids. And
> >> gave
> >> up. For now.
> >>
> >>
> >> iow, IF we started gathering everything in the next couple weeks, we
> >> would
> >> be ready to actually work the homemade iron at Metal and Glass next
> >> September.  It would be a nice comparison between "periodesque" iron and
> >> modern steel.
> >>
> >>
> >> This would be wonderful. Please write things down and take photos, so
> >> those of us who can't attend can enjoy some of the fun also. Even if we
> >> can't swing a hammer from Ansteorra.
> >>
> >> Stefan
> >>
> >>
> >> Franz
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Stefan li Rous
> >> <[log in to unmask]
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Alban declared:
> >>> <<< Make charcoal? I've never seen anyone make it outside of
> >>> professionals
> >>> and long-time re-enactors of the sort who work full-time at
> >>> Williamsburg.
> >>> I suspect it'd take more than one or two days to make the stuff. >>>
> >>>
> >>> You know, some of those SCA guys do the weirdest things. . .
> >>>
> >>> In the CRAFTS section of the Florilegium:
> >>> Mkng-Charcoal-art (20K) 1/ 2/10 "Making Charcoal" by Viscount Sir Corin
> >>> Anderson (KSCA, OP).
> >>> http://www.florilegium.org/files/CRAFTS/Mkng-Charcoal-art.html
> >>>
> >>> Still, this need not be a sheep-to-shawl type thing. I would find a
> >>> source of good hardwood charcoal and buy that for your iron smelting
> >>> experiment(s).  Then at another time, do a charcoal making experiment
> >>> and
> >>> write it up for the Florilegium, so we have two to compare against. :-)
> >>>
> >>> Stefan
> >>> --------
> >>> THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
> >>>    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
> >>> **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org****
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>