Hi Julie,

When it's a logo, the only right I reserve is for my portfolio and personal
promotion- I know stories of people charging very little for a design for a
small company that becomes giant, like Nike- but my thought is that as long
as I am getting paid a fair hourly rate, that's OK by me when I have a
winning company's logo in my own portfolio (not that I do, but I can hope!)

. However, on the rare occasion when I have a regular illustration
contract, and in my art-for-sale work,  I reserve all the rights I can
manage.  I figure the mushroom graphic for tshirts etc. as sort of a logo,
so I would just treat it that way if it were me.

Yes, I send along hours it will take, for each stage, I figure the client
likes to see where the money breakdown is- or at least, I like to justify
my price!

 I think watermarks is a good idea for you, since I am assuming the work
will be in your full-color painting style- the logo I had stolen was from
an approved final sketch, that then the company backed out of paying and
cancelled the contract- rendered into screenprint-ready logo-style by a
less-than competent, but free, artist- I discovered later it was the school
owner's wife.  At least I learned I need to charge at the different stages
from that, so I count it as "continuing education" :)

Happy to help, I know how confusing it was when I started getting these
kind of jobs.  Now, it's a small but satisfying sideline- it is curiously
rewarding to see my picture randomly around town on people's jackets,
tshirts and bumper stickers.


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Julie Himes <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Maia,
> Thanks for the help and all of the advice. I can't believe someone stole
> your design! I will definitely ask for a deposit first and maybe put
> watermarks when I send digital files in order to try and prevent that from
> happening. I like the idea of an hourly rate, since I have a good sense for
> how long it takes me to paint mushrooms.
> Do you send an estimate of how many hours you think it will take to your
> client? Do your clients then have full rights to use the image after you've
> sent it to them, or do you get a percentage of the merchandise profits?
> Thanks again,
> -Julie
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Maia Sanders <[log in to unmask]
> > wrote:
>> Julie,
>> I live in the Bay Area too, (San jose) and I have recently been making
>> logos and identity for a series if small dance, martial arts and other
>> performing arts schools, all shoestring operations, often non-profits. Here
>> is how I handle this type of thing.
>> I charge $35 an hour for non-profits ( I can deduct from my taxes), and
>> $50 an hour for for-profit schools.
>> I frequently have a problem with this kind if client saying "you are the
>> artist, you can have free rein to make the design" only to a quagmire of
>> revisions and argument between school administrators over my designs.
>> Therefore I am very careful to charge hourly and not by the job, or, if
>> they want the job quoted entirely, I put a limit on revision- at design
>> stage, they get three, and one at finishing stage, then I charge hourly for
>> revisions.
>> I also ask for 60% payment at final design approval. I have had one
>> client walk away with my final design sketch and seen it on a jacket,
>> ineptly rendered, three months later- he had given the job to his wife to
>> finish.
>> Additionally, I take a design sketch and make several photoshop mockups
>> of coffee cups, letterhead, jackets, and bumper stickers- this really
>> excites a client, and takes about an hour- usually ensuring they will go
>> for the design I favor! And ultimately saving me time and
>> frustration.  It's hard for non-visual people to imagine the logo or design
>> across applications.
>> Best of luck, by the way, i took a look at your linked work, your
>> mushrooms are beautiful!
>> Best,
>> Maia
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013, Julie Himes wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> I am new to science illustration, so I'm just learning all of the ins
>>> and outs of how to sell artwork and take commissions. I have been asked by
>>> a club (150 members or so) to illustrate some mushrooms for their T-shirts,
>>> bags, mugs, and probably for their website. The illustration would
>>> likely take me about 14 hours to make. They would like to have rights to
>>> the image (I would not get a percentage of each shirt sale). What is a
>>> reasonable amount to ask for? While I would be selling my time, materials,
>>> and the rights to my illustration, I also know that they are a non-profit
>>> club.
>>> Thanks for your help!
>>> - Julie Himes
>>> ____________________________
>>> Julie Himes Science Illustration
>>> Monterey, CA
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