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Hi Julie, When it's a logo, the only right I reserve is for my portfolio and personal promotion- I know stories of people charging very little for a design for a small company that becomes giant, like Nike- but my thought is that as long as I am getting paid a fair hourly rate, that's OK by me when I have a winning company's logo in my own portfolio (not that I do, but I can hope!) . However, on the rare occasion when I have a regular illustration contract, and in my art-for-sale work, I reserve all the rights I can manage. I figure the mushroom graphic for tshirts etc. as sort of a logo, so I would just treat it that way if it were me. Yes, I send along hours it will take, for each stage, I figure the client likes to see where the money breakdown is- or at least, I like to justify my price! I think watermarks is a good idea for you, since I am assuming the work will be in your full-color painting style- the logo I had stolen was from an approved final sketch, that then the company backed out of paying and cancelled the contract- rendered into screenprint-ready logo-style by a less-than competent, but free, artist- I discovered later it was the school owner's wife. At least I learned I need to charge at the different stages from that, so I count it as "continuing education" :) Happy to help, I know how confusing it was when I started getting these kind of jobs. Now, it's a small but satisfying sideline- it is curiously rewarding to see my picture randomly around town on people's jackets, tshirts and bumper stickers. Maia On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Julie Himes <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Maia, > > Thanks for the help and all of the advice. I can't believe someone stole > your design! I will definitely ask for a deposit first and maybe put > watermarks when I send digital files in order to try and prevent that from > happening. I like the idea of an hourly rate, since I have a good sense for > how long it takes me to paint mushrooms. > > Do you send an estimate of how many hours you think it will take to your > client? Do your clients then have full rights to use the image after you've > sent it to them, or do you get a percentage of the merchandise profits? > > Thanks again, > -Julie > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Maia Sanders <[log in to unmask] > > wrote: > >> Julie, >> I live in the Bay Area too, (San jose) and I have recently been making >> logos and identity for a series if small dance, martial arts and other >> performing arts schools, all shoestring operations, often non-profits. Here >> is how I handle this type of thing. >> >> I charge $35 an hour for non-profits ( I can deduct from my taxes), and >> $50 an hour for for-profit schools. >> >> I frequently have a problem with this kind if client saying "you are the >> artist, you can have free rein to make the design" only to a quagmire of >> revisions and argument between school administrators over my designs. >> >> Therefore I am very careful to charge hourly and not by the job, or, if >> they want the job quoted entirely, I put a limit on revision- at design >> stage, they get three, and one at finishing stage, then I charge hourly for >> revisions. >> >> I also ask for 60% payment at final design approval. I have had one >> client walk away with my final design sketch and seen it on a jacket, >> ineptly rendered, three months later- he had given the job to his wife to >> finish. >> >> Additionally, I take a design sketch and make several photoshop mockups >> of coffee cups, letterhead, jackets, and bumper stickers- this really >> excites a client, and takes about an hour- usually ensuring they will go >> for the design I favor! And ultimately saving me time and >> frustration. It's hard for non-visual people to imagine the logo or design >> across applications. >> >> Best of luck, by the way, i took a look at your linked work, your >> mushrooms are beautiful! >> >> Best, >> >> Maia >> >> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013, Julie Himes wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I am new to science illustration, so I'm just learning all of the ins >>> and outs of how to sell artwork and take commissions. I have been asked by >>> a club (150 members or so) to illustrate some mushrooms for their T-shirts, >>> bags, mugs, and probably for their website. The illustration would >>> likely take me about 14 hours to make. They would like to have rights to >>> the image (I would not get a percentage of each shirt sale). What is a >>> reasonable amount to ask for? While I would be selling my time, materials, >>> and the rights to my illustration, I also know that they are a non-profit >>> club. >>> >>> Thanks for your help! >>> >>> - Julie Himes >>> >>> ____________________________ >>> Julie Himes Science Illustration >>> Monterey, CA >>> http://juliehimes.weebly.com/ >>> [log in to unmask] >>> >>> ________________________________________________ >>> >>> Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? 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