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Thanks everyone for your suggestions how to categorize my work and assign %s! It gives me more confidence to ask for payment up front or part-way. I know these people and trust them but I also know they are soooo slow. The proposal deadline was a year and a half ago and they have just made a decision! Thanks! Lore On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Anne Runyon <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Hi Lore, > Linda’s advice is good. > I have worked with similar arrangements for my mural art, and it works > very well for me. > Annie > www.annerunyon.com > www.gnsi.org/profile/anne-marshall-runyon > > *From:* Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:30 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [SCIART] question about timing of payment > > Hi Lore: > For a project of this size, requiring several submittals for review, I > would definitely ask for partial payments per submittal. A percentage of > the project might be established for the (1) Draft Rendering and (2) final > art. So much labor goes into the Draft, that it may deserve a larger > percentage. (80% of my work is done before I do the final art) Plus the > client may want revisions after the draft rendering. > > I usually divide the submittals into three: 1. Pencil draft with loose > drawings of specific species place in the composition. Then the client > reviews and makes comments. 2. Final Draft, a detailed rendering > incorporating their previous comments. I specify that any changes in > concept after this review might incur extra time and materials. When all > is approved, then I do the 3. Final Art. That allows the client of make > changes in the drafts so not so much detailed work is wasted. > > I ask for percentages of the contract amount at each of those submittals, > with the largest percentage at the "Final Draft" stage. > I know of other illustrators who get to the Final Draft stage and the > client pulls the job, and even gets another, cheaper artist to do the final > art. This has not happened to me, but when percentages of work are in > place, clients will get the message that you will be paid for the amount of > work you do. > > Just a thought. > > _____________________ > Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC > P.O. Box 325 > Hereford, AZ 85615 > (520) 803-0538 > www.lindafeltner.com > > > > > > > > On Dec 11, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Lore Ruttan wrote: > > Hi All, > > I usually do smallish jobs and just ask for payment upon delivery. > However, I've been commissioned to make a large painting commemorating a > capital campaign and it will take me quite some time and involve a good > chunk of money. Stages in the project are to finalize the list of species > that will be painted, complete a detailed rendering of the composition that > they can make a banner with, and then the final piece. Should I ask for a > portion of the payment at each of those stages? Just the banner and final > piece stages? What do others do? > > Thanks! Lore > > -- > *Lore Ruttan, *Ph.D. > > Lore Ruttan Illustration <http://www.loreruttanillustration.com/> > > Visit my Etsy shop at http://www.etsy.com/shop/Paperlore > > ________________________________________________ > > Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the > instructions at > http://www.gnsi.org/resources/reviews/gnsi-sciart-l-listserv > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the > instructions at > http://www.gnsi.org/resources/reviews/gnsi-sciart-l-listserv > > ________________________________________________ > > Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the > instructions at > http://www.gnsi.org/resources/reviews/gnsi-sciart-l-listserv > -- *Lore Ruttan, *Ph.D. Lore Ruttan Illustration <http://www.loreruttanillustration.com> Visit my Etsy shop at http://www.etsy.com/shop/Paperlore Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the instructions at http://www.gnsi.org/resources/reviews/gnsi-sciart-l-listserv