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Apparently I need to have a chat with my silkie terror. She nips at my
calves... Leaves bruises.
On Jan 1, 2014 1:35 AM, "Jerry Harder" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>
> Indeed,  and there are some interesting and subtle problems with Cheri
> Ruzich'es article
> http://www.donnerbergrottweilers.com/rottweiler-history.html ( Seems all
> the info she mentions is in the other article too.)
>
>  The first is having trained a dog to heard sheep and watched some
> spectacular border collies heard cattle, the dogs seldom if ever nip at the
> heals to move the heard.  In any competition this would cause the dog to be
> disqualified and for good reason.  The shepherd will position the dog
> through his commands and have the dog walk in closer to apply pressure on
> the animal being herded.  I have never ever seen a heard animal just stand
> there.   It will either move away from the dog OR turn all the way around
> and confront the dog head on.  I have seen a border collie nip at but not
> actually bite a large steers nose and actually heard him backwards this
> way.  They will dart between there legs like little lighting bolts.   If
> you have never seen a good heard dog work on a stubborn animal, especially
> like a little border collie, you should seek out something like a state
> fair trial.  It is absolutely breathtaking.  Even Caias mentions they would
> stop there horses to watch the dogs work when they heard a shepherds
> whistle.  (whistles were often used as the shrill sounds travel farther and
> save the shepherds voice)  The other bit of reservation I have about her
> article in regards to herding is that herding dogs come in two forms;
> gathering and driving.  Hard to think you could train a dog for herding
> without knowing this critical piece of information which she does not
> bother to mention.
>
> Several times she talks about the dogs being used for drafting.  This
> could be true but I have been looking for primary information on dogs as
> draft animals in Europe for 10 years.  I have one drawing that is period
> showing such.  I have a French book with an extensive collection of photos
> of dogs drafting.  All are late 1800's, and all of the pictures in the
> article look very similar to those in that book.  I am not saying that
> Rotys didn't draft, just there is no *primary* proof in the article.
> That's "the bite" as it were.  There are dozens, perhaps hundreds or
> thousands of books out there with this same level of information-more
> hearsay than fact.
>
> Caias mentions butchers dogs, but in close proximity to herding dogs
> leaving a lot of supposition where pulling carts are concerned.  The
> tinkers curr carried big budgets containing his tools and metal but could a
> budget be a type of cart or wagon?  I think they would be more like saddle
> bags which I can document elsewhere.  Am I wrong?
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