Yes I top post. Gets to the point. You ask how to catch the invisible. You go where they are. Nobody in the Society does just one thing. Archers cook, vintners blacksmith, glassmakers costume. And people who work troll do everything. So look outside the arts focused world. People get known for what is MOST visible. But their secondary skill may be just as good. Master Gerald is known as a blacksmith. But he is laureled in Vinting? WTF? Is your world so limited that the only thing you know about a person comes from your time in the arts pavilion? Or restricted to his vocal quality after three rounds of Kruskin Lan? Work a single troll shift at Lilies, and you'll know their grandmother's middle name. Waterbear, and you'll know what kind of underwear they buy. IOW, look for artisans outside the arts arena. I say again, I am a member of NO polling order. But I AM a 30 year player. And that alone says I have a responsibility to people of lesser years to go up to them and ask how I can help them do what they would like to do. Sometimes, it's nothing more than making the right introduction. Promoting the arts not simply holding competitions open to any medium, or teaching classes in a medium of your choice. It's finding an artist, and then finding a way to help HIM get ahead, even if you know nothing about what he does. And in Calontir, EVERYBODY is an artist. Sometimes, what they need is to be pushed out of the arts and into something else. Like service, or archery, or field heraldry. Promoting the arts is about promoting a "whole" person, making the person well rounded. Laurels don't get households so they can mentor artists. Artists get laureled because they've mentored households. I now have a personal mission to find both Andy and Gerald an Art. Why? Because they mentioned in passing they are looking for one. And my Pelican slapped that geas on me 30 years ago: pick a person and help them get there. Last point: Calontiri are grown. We pride ourselves on our second generation. We cultivate our success. You have to plant seeds, water and fertilize, and ripen in the sun. Learning about artists only when they come up for discussion is like buying at the grocery store. You know more when you get your hands dirty. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2014, at 1:48 AM, Ted Eisenstein <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >But you have taught classes. I have been in some of them. Some sort of teaching is > >a requirement for advancement. Competitions is but one means of making folks aware > >of the level and quality of your work. > Well, yeah. I guess that was part of my point. Not everyone teaches. Not everyone > enters competition. Not everyone gets published. I worry about the "one from column > A and one from column B" syndrome - teach five classes or enter three local competitions > or one kingdom competition or take on four students, or any other formal but unspoken > checklist for Advancement In the Award Structure of Calontir. > > ....but I would hazard a guess that most of the not-older-than-dirt people (like, oh, I dunno, > you and me) would think that to get a mallet or a swan you've got to enter some > competitions, because they're well publicized and "hey, Lord Who-dat-guy > entered three, and immediately got a Mallet!" > > They're a fast way to get attention, but not everyone's made out for competing; I wasn't, > and I still twitch at the thought of entering one. I much prefer showing my stuff to > people whose opinion I trust - you for metalworking, Magda for costuming, Rhianwen > for tent-making, and so forth - rather than put out a couple of items and get a vast > range of comments. Ditto for teaching: there's nothing more enjoyable for me than > to talk fealty with one or two people at a post-revel or at a feast; classes are so....so... > formal. > > I guess my point is, competitions and teaching are good ways at catching the Worthy > Folk who happen to like competing and teaching. How, then, do we go about catching > those whose art or science is well-made, well-researched, and totally period, but > does it quietly, one piece at a time, talking to individuals, getting advice from friends, > and, (sorry for the bad grammar) we only get to see them work very quietly in the > background but suddenly we notice how great they are? > > It's akin to the service thang: how many heralds have slaved over books to get submissions > done, and they get a Torse only after someone figures out half the kingdom got their > devices passed because of that guy in Outer Fenwick? > > It's a question that's been asked for <mumble> years, and I have yet to hear a good > answer. I suspect there isn't one, but it sure does make for some long-winded > philosophical conversations badly in need of a couple of beers. > > > Alban, non-drinker, dammit.