Greetings all Enough have guessed the second riddle, and like before, Rhianwen wants the line-by-line explanation. The answer to this is the Order of the Archaic Fewmet. A grinning mind-house . gave birth to me Mind-house is a kenning for skull, and grinning emphasizes that idea. Probably the single most important skull in Calontir history, at least heraldically speaking, was Humpk. I believe he gave birth to the order. I will say, I could be wrong. Edward Cire of Greymoor might have been the one. This line refers to a fairly busy day, 5 November 1983 when Pavel was named the first OAF. That was also the day that Humpk stepped down and Cire took the princely throne. I would love to know for sure :) Pain was the coin that paid that price Blows shrewdly given shared amongst all These two lines taken together have only two words that matter. Pain and shared. I'm sure you get it now. I have been the wolf wild in the woodland Now I start referring to specific OAFs. This line is obviously Kensor. I have been the acorn striking from the oak This refers to two OAFs actually, the acorn to Roderick and the oak to Kirk. I have been the falcon flying above the folk Fernando. I have towered above all a rock many times triumphant I thought this line was obvious but I'm told it wasn't. I love it, actually. It refers to Valens, who has a tower on his device, and the rock many times triumphant is clear now that you know. I have wielded swords scythe-like sweeping A reference to Gilligan from Sing Calontir. I have reached the sky climbing with verdant skill This is Marcus, and is both a reference to the ivy on his device and his love for rocketry. I have lost my name but none fail to know me This is a reference to Drix, whose registered name is lost to the mists of time but of course we all know him. I have held tridents with trampling cavalry Rhianwen's device is a seahorse holding a trident. I have been the trillium tracking doomed prey Now we get to Adrielle. These things and more throughout my time I have become. How, then, am I called? And the answer is OAF. Thanks for playing. Rhodri -- Manage your subscription at http://listserv.unl.edu. Due to Yahoo's DMARC policy: listserv.unl.edu lists do not accept incoming email from Yahoo.com