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Carbonite is a secure backupsite used by business and even has
certified hippa compliant storage so I personally would feel fine backing
up financials with them.


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Thanks Liz and Barbara:
> I do worry a bit about financial information going into the cloud, and
> theft.
> L.
> _____________________
> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
> P.O. Box 325
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> www.lindafeltner.com
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> On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Liz Lockett wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
> It sounds like you already have multiple large drives.  I know its an
> investment but I would highly recommend you getting a small raid system.
> There are some great ones out there that are not had to manage, and as you
> say, have the built in redundency should one drive fail,  I would also
> recommend using a remote location as Britt suggests like Carbonite or
> Google drive.  You do pay a yearly fee but its not unreasonable and that
> gives you security if the raid is stolen.  Most remote storage can be set
> up to automatically sync with the local raid so you are always covered.
>
> Liz
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Barbara Gleason <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> Just a note to all, here is another thing to think through when deciding
>> how and when and where to put backup drives.
>>
>> I would highly recommend you have two separate, duplicate backups of some
>> nature and hide, store offsite, etc. one of them. Why? One always thinks
>> one is backing up to forestall the inevitable hard drive failure, but one
>> is also possibly backing up to prevent theft of said backup drives!
>>
>> Never thought about that aspect of this issue until we were burglarized 2
>> summers ago and hard drive were stolen...the drives we didn't hide since we
>> didn't realize we should have!
>>
>> (It didn't have a completely disastrous ending, though, as the one drive
>> they didn't take, because it was heavily marked with name, etc. had indeed
>> failed and been replaced by the new one, which they took. Tech folks were
>> able to recover most files on it after the burglary.)
>>
>> So, now we have two sets of backup drives, in 2 locations, well hidden or
>> off-site. A but more hassle, but heck, well worth it!
>>
>> Barbara
>>
>>    _
>>  ( '< * -*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*--
>>  / ) )
>>  //"  "
>>
>> Wild Birds Unlimited of Eugene
>> Barbara Gleason
>>
>> Store phone: 541-844-1788
>> [log in to unmask]
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>> www.eugene.wbu.com
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>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:00 PM, SCIART-L automatic digest system wrote:
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>> > There are 23 messages totaling 7108 lines in this issue.
>> >
>> > Topics of the day:
>> >
>> >  1. Housing selection (2)
>> >  2. BAcking up Time Machine to the Cloud (8)
>> >  3. question about Time Machine (8)
>> >  4. neutral grey (4)
>> >  5. Boulder Registration is LIVE!
>> >
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>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 02:58:55 -0400
>> > From:    Cindy Shaw <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Housing selection
>> >
>> >
>> > Marj (or anyone who may know),
>> >
>> > If one wants to register but isn't yet sure about whether or not to stay
>> > on campus, can one add housing later?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Cindy
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Marjorie Leggitt wrote:
>> >
>> >  Dear GNSI'ers and all you List Servers,
>> >
>> > GNSI Conference Registration goes live on Tuesday, April 1st and this is
>> > not a joke! Go to https://www.conf.gnsi.org/registration/
>> > <https://www.conf.gnsi.org/registration/>
>> >
>> > There, you can download a Paper Registration PDF to peruse the overall
>> > offerings and options, or to use as a worksheet.
>> >
>> > Please be sure to check out the new postings at
>> > https://www.conf.gnsi.org/program/ <https://www.conf.gnsi.org/program/>
>> > . You'll find information about the outstanding keynotes speakers plus a
>> > listing and descriptions of the exciting mini-workshops, workshops, and
>> > field trips. Also, look over the partial list of the Core Conference
>> > presentations - we still have more to add!
>> >
>> > Looking forward to seeing you in Boulder!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Marjorie
>> > Chair of the 2014 GNSI Conference - Boulder CO
>> > July 13-19, 2014
>> > https://www.conf.gnsi.org/ <https://www.conf.gnsi.org/>
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>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 01:43:50 -0600
>> > From:    Marjorie Leggitt <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: Housing selection
>> >
>> > Cindy,
>> >
>> > It is certainly best if you register for everything at the same time as
>> the
>> > on-line form takes you through the process in one sweep. You cannot
>> return
>> > to the form at a later date and add housing.
>> >
>> > If, for some reason you are unable to sign up for housing when you
>> register,
>> > you will have to call the registration team and make arrangements with
>> them.
>> > I definitely do not want to encourage people to do this though.
>> >
>> > Marj
>> > Leggitt Design
>> > 303.394.0566
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>> > Chair of the 2014 GNSI Conference - Boulder CO
>> > July 13-19, 2014
>> > https://www.conf.gnsi.org/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Cindy Shaw <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Reply-To: LIST SERV discussion <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 02:58:55 -0400
>> > To: LIST SERV discussion <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: [SCIART] Housing selection
>> >
>> > Marj (or anyone who may know),
>> >
>> > If one wants to register but isn't yet sure about whether or not to
>> stay on
>> > campus, can one add housing later?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Cindy
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Marjorie Leggitt wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear GNSIšers and all you List Servers,
>> >
>> > GNSI Conference Registration goes live on Tuesday, April 1st and this
>> is not
>> > a joke! Go to https://www.conf.gnsi.org/registration/
>> > <https://www.conf.gnsi.org/registration/>
>> >
>> > There, you can download a Paper Registration PDF to peruse the overall
>> > offerings and options, or to use as a worksheet.
>> >
>> > Please be sure to check out the new postings at
>> > https://www.conf.gnsi.org/program/ <https://www.conf.gnsi.org/program/>
>> .
>> > Youšll find information about the outstanding keynotes speakers plus a
>> > listing and descriptions of the exciting mini-workshops, workshops, and
>> > field trips. Also, look over the partial list of the Core Conference
>> > presentations - we still have more to add!
>> >
>> > Looking forward to seeing you in Boulder!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Marjorie
>> > Chair of the 2014 GNSI Conference - Boulder CO
>> > July 13-19, 2014
>> > https://www.conf.gnsi.org/ <https://www.conf.gnsi.org/>
>> >
>> > Leggitt Design
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>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:39:47 -0700
>> > From:    Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: BAcking up Time Machine to the Cloud
>> >
>> > Does anyone backup their Mac Time Machine to the Cloud? What means to
>> you use?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Linda
>> > _____________________
>> > Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> > P.O. Box 325
>> > Hereford, AZ 85615
>> > (520) 803-0538
>> > www.lindafeltner.com
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>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:48:22 -0700
>> > From:    Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: question about Time Machine
>> >
>> > For those who use Mac Time machine, I wondered why one cannot resize
>> the partitions in an external drive?
>> > I am consulting to the knowledgebase online. I have an external HD with
>> two partitions. The MAC Disk Utility will not all me to re-size the
>> volumes. I'm about half full (with old backups) and I'd like to resize the
>> partitions, or eliminate the one that was first created and has nothing on
>> it.
>> > But it won't let me do that.
>> >
>> > I understand that TM will erase the old backups when it reaches full
>> (when set on automatic), and copy over the new backups. I use a manual
>> backup.  One place said just to delete and reformat the hard drive back to
>> one partition. But I'm a bit hesitant to lose any complete backup of the
>> whole Mac system.
>> >
>> > Just wondered if this was a common thing (not being able to resize the
>> partitions.)
>> >
>> > I might have to shop for another external drive, and would also
>> appreciate any brands that are new and proven reliable. I've got OWC,
>> Hitachis, Maxtors.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> > Linda
>> > _____________________
>> > Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> > P.O. Box 325
>> > Hereford, AZ 85615
>> > (520) 803-0538
>> > www.lindafeltner.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 13:49:29 -0400
>> > From:    Karen Ackoff <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: BAcking up Time Machine to the Cloud
>> >
>> > I don't backup to the cloud. For several reasons... 1) I don't have
>> enough space on the cloud to back up my entire hard drive. 2) For security
>> reasons; I keep tax records, receipts, etc. on my computer, and I don't
>> want these on the cloud, regardless of security claims. I'm just not that
>> trusting yet. I'm referring to the Apple Cloud, in regard to amount of
>> storage space.
>> >
>> > I did query carbonite... and that is an option, I suppose. You can backup
>> your hard drive, but you cannot back up any external hard drives if you use
>> a Mac.
>> >
>> > Also, I only have access to DSL where I live, and it would literally
>> take months for the first backup as upload speeds are slow.
>> >
>> > I'm hoping my internet upload speeds improve over time, and cloud
>> options also improve and are affordable. But for now, I keep things at home.
>> >
>> > I did recently set up a RAID array (from scratch; I did not purchase an
>> already configured RAID). I bought two 4 TB drives and set them up as a
>> mirror RAID. It is a big improvement over the 9 (!) external hard drives
>> that I had previously. It was just too many wires and too many plugs and
>> not enough receptacles. The only downside, is that the RAID takes about
>> 20-30 seconds to spin up if it is in a sleep mode. But other than that,
>> it's great not to have to think about cloning a drive. It just works.
>> >
>> > K
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Does anyone backup their Mac Time Machine to the Cloud? What means to
>> you use?
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Linda
>> >> _____________________
>> >> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >> P.O. Box 325
>> >> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >> (520) 803-0538
>> >> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 13:53:36 -0400
>> > From:    Karen Ackoff <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: question about Time Machine
>> >
>> > I'm clear how you are trying to re-size partitions.
>> >
>> > First of all, you cannot adjust partitions with data on the drives.
>> You'd have to wipe the drive completely, and then reset your partition(s).
>> I don't know that you can specifically set the size of a partition, but you
>> can choose the number of partitions for a particular drive. But this must
>> be done at the initial set up.
>> >
>> > If you want to keep the old Time Machine backups, unplug the drive and
>> plug in a different drive. Keep the old drive as an archive, and set up the
>> Time Machine for the new drive.
>> >
>> > As for drives... I cannot stand Western Digital, though they are popular
>> and generally cheap. I usually use LaCie, and they've been reliable, except
>> for one drive (and I suspect it overheated over time because I had it
>> mounted extremely close to another drive; I suspect it didn't cool
>> sufficiently although it did take years for the drive to fail).
>> >
>> > K
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> For those who use Mac Time machine, I wondered why one cannot resize
>> the partitions in an external drive?
>> >> I am consulting to the knowledgebase online. I have an external HD
>> with two partitions. The MAC Disk Utility will not all me to re-size the
>> volumes. I'm about half full (with old backups) and I'd like to resize the
>> partitions, or eliminate the one that was first created and has nothing on
>> it.
>> >> But it won't let me do that.
>> >>
>> >> I understand that TM will erase the old backups when it reaches full
>> (when set on automatic), and copy over the new backups. I use a manual
>> backup.  One place said just to delete and reformat the hard drive back to
>> one partition. But I'm a bit hesitant to lose any complete backup of the
>> whole Mac system.
>> >>
>> >> Just wondered if this was a common thing (not being able to resize the
>> partitions.)
>> >>
>> >> I might have to shop for another external drive, and would also
>> appreciate any brands that are new and proven reliable. I've got OWC,
>> Hitachis, Maxtors.
>> >>
>> >> thanks
>> >> Linda
>> >> _____________________
>> >> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >> P.O. Box 325
>> >> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >> (520) 803-0538
>> >> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:59:06 -0700
>> > From:    Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: BAcking up Time Machine to the Cloud
>> >
>> > Thank you Karen. This is most helpful. With good reasoning.
>> > I'm trying to keep my backups current and successfully.
>> > I know the RAID systems have been wise.
>> >
>> > Thanks so much,
>> > Linda
>> > _____________________
>> > Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> > P.O. Box 325
>> > Hereford, AZ 85615
>> > (520) 803-0538
>> > www.lindafeltner.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Karen Ackoff wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't backup to the cloud. For several reasons... 1) I don't have
>> enough space on the cloud to back up my entire hard drive. 2) For security
>> reasons; I keep tax records, receipts, etc. on my computer, and I don't
>> want these on the cloud, regardless of security claims. I'm just not that
>> trusting yet. I'm referring to the Apple Cloud, in regard to amount of
>> storage space.
>> >>
>> >> I did query carbonite... and that is an option, I suppose. You can
>> backup your hard drive, but you cannot back up any external hard drives if
>> you use a Mac.
>> >>
>> >> Also, I only have access to DSL where I live, and it would literally
>> take months for the first backup as upload speeds are slow.
>> >>
>> >> I'm hoping my internet upload speeds improve over time, and cloud
>> options also improve and are affordable. But for now, I keep things at home.
>> >>
>> >> I did recently set up a RAID array (from scratch; I did not purchase
>> an already configured RAID). I bought two 4 TB drives and set them up as a
>> mirror RAID. It is a big improvement over the 9 (!) external hard drives
>> that I had previously. It was just too many wires and too many plugs and
>> not enough receptacles. The only downside, is that the RAID takes about
>> 20-30 seconds to spin up if it is in a sleep mode. But other than that,
>> it's great not to have to think about cloning a drive. It just works.
>> >>
>> >> K
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Does anyone backup their Mac Time Machine to the Cloud? What means to
>> you use?
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Linda
>> >>> _____________________
>> >>> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >>> P.O. Box 325
>> >>> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >>> (520) 803-0538
>> >>> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> > ------------------------------
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>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 14:00:35 -0400
>> > From:    Barbara Harmon <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: BAcking up Time Machine to the Cloud
>> >
>> > I have been on Carbonite for four years or so. Love it.
>> > Used it many times to save my butt or simply as convenience when
>> traveling.
>> >
>> > I had DSL when I originally uploaded files, but I only had (I think)
>> 500GB. I am able to backup my second 500GB drive as well.
>> >
>> > I want to hear more about the Apple Cloud too.... in the case I can
>> ever get around to actually following through.
>> > ;-)
>> > Cheers,
>> > Barb
>> >
>> >
>> > Barbara Harmon
>> > www.barbaraharmon.com
>> > www.harmon-murals.blogspot.com
>> > 508*430*8308
>> > [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Karen Ackoff wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't backup to the cloud. For several reasons... 1) I don't have
>> enough space on the cloud to back up my entire hard drive. 2) For security
>> reasons; I keep tax records, receipts, etc. on my computer, and I don't
>> want these on the cloud, regardless of security claims. I'm just not that
>> trusting yet. I'm referring to the Apple Cloud, in regard to amount of
>> storage space.
>> >>
>> >> I did query carbonite... and that is an option, I suppose. You can
>> backup your hard drive, but you cannot back up any external hard drives if
>> you use a Mac.
>> >>
>> >> Also, I only have access to DSL where I live, and it would literally
>> take months for the first backup as upload speeds are slow.
>> >>
>> >> I'm hoping my internet upload speeds improve over time, and cloud
>> options also improve and are affordable. But for now, I keep things at home.
>> >>
>> >> I did recently set up a RAID array (from scratch; I did not purchase
>> an already configured RAID). I bought two 4 TB drives and set them up as a
>> mirror RAID. It is a big improvement over the 9 (!) external hard drives
>> that I had previously. It was just too many wires and too many plugs and
>> not enough receptacles. The only downside, is that the RAID takes about
>> 20-30 seconds to spin up if it is in a sleep mode. But other than that,
>> it's great not to have to think about cloning a drive. It just works.
>> >>
>> >> K
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Does anyone backup their Mac Time Machine to the Cloud? What means to
>> you use?
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Linda
>> >>> _____________________
>> >>> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >>> P.O. Box 325
>> >>> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >>> (520) 803-0538
>> >>> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 14:00:51 -0400
>> > From:    Britt Griswold <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: question about Time Machine
>> >
>> > Check this out!  The disc utility may be able to do this...
>> > http://macs.about.com/od/applications/ss/diskutilitysize_3.htm
>> >
>> > If it was me, I would just reformat the disk as long as you are
>> confident that all the important document on your main hard drive are in
>> good shape, and your HD does not crash for the next day or so while the TM
>> archive is rebuilt. Otherwise you will need a different hard drive.
>> >
>> > Britt
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Karen Ackoff [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 13:53:36 -0400
>> > Subject: Re: [SCIART] question about Time Machine
>> >
>> > I'm clear how you are trying to re-size partitions.
>> >
>> > First of all, you cannot adjust partitions with data on the drives.
>> You'd have to wipe the drive completely, and then reset your partition(s).
>> I don't know that you can specifically set the size of a partition, but you
>> can choose the number of partitions for a particular drive. But this must
>> be done at the initial set up.
>> >
>> > If you want to keep the old Time Machine backups, unplug the drive and
>> plug in a different drive. Keep the old drive as an archive, and set up the
>> Time Machine for the new drive.
>> >
>> > As for drives. I cannot stand Western Digital, though they are popular
>> and generally cheap. I usually use LaCie, and they've been reliable, except
>> for one drive (and I suspect it overheated over time because I had it
>> mounted extremely close to another drive; I suspect it didn't cool
>> sufficiently although it did take years for the drive to fail).
>> >
>> > K
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:05:30 -0700
>> > From:    Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: question about Time Machine
>> >
>> > Thank you, again.
>> >
>> > I can adjust the size of a partition at initial setup, along with the
>> number, by using Mac Utility>Partitions. But not now, doing what I want. I
>> can't add space to an existing partition that has data, yes.
>> >
>> > I'm shopping for new drives, although they've gotten less expensive for
>> the storage, it's still not what I wanted to do today.
>> > If I had the time and energy, I'd consolidate all my various external
>> hard drives into one RAID system. In a world that was perfect.  while in
>> haste, I may just drag and drop the important files, and deal with this
>> when I get back in town.
>> >
>> > I'm looking at LaCie and Seagate and OWC-mercury Elite AL Pro (got one
>> of those that I"m using now).. I've had several Hitachi's that were/are
>> quite good. But I just keep making them redundant so if one finally goes it
>> won't be disastrous.
>> >
>> > Cheers! and thanks again,
>> > Linda
>> > _____________________
>> > Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> > P.O. Box 325
>> > Hereford, AZ 85615
>> > (520) 803-0538
>> > www.lindafeltner.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Karen Ackoff wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm clear how you are trying to re-size partitions.
>> >>
>> >> First of all, you cannot adjust partitions with data on the drives.
>> You'd have to wipe the drive completely, and then reset your partition(s).
>> I don't know that you can specifically set the size of a partition, but you
>> can choose the number of partitions for a particular drive. But this must
>> be done at the initial set up.
>> >>
>> >> If you want to keep the old Time Machine backups, unplug the drive and
>> plug in a different drive. Keep the old drive as an archive, and set up the
>> Time Machine for the new drive.
>> >>
>> >> As for drives... I cannot stand Western Digital, though they are popular
>> and generally cheap. I usually use LaCie, and they've been reliable, except
>> for one drive (and I suspect it overheated over time because I had it
>> mounted extremely close to another drive; I suspect it didn't cool
>> sufficiently although it did take years for the drive to fail).
>> >>
>> >> K
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> For those who use Mac Time machine, I wondered why one cannot resize
>> the partitions in an external drive?
>> >>> I am consulting to the knowledgebase online. I have an external HD
>> with two partitions. The MAC Disk Utility will not all me to re-size the
>> volumes. I'm about half full (with old backups) and I'd like to resize the
>> partitions, or eliminate the one that was first created and has nothing on
>> it.
>> >>> But it won't let me do that.
>> >>>
>> >>> I understand that TM will erase the old backups when it reaches full
>> (when set on automatic), and copy over the new backups. I use a manual
>> backup.  One place said just to delete and reformat the hard drive back to
>> one partition. But I'm a bit hesitant to lose any complete backup of the
>> whole Mac system.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just wondered if this was a common thing (not being able to resize
>> the partitions.)
>> >>>
>> >>> I might have to shop for another external drive, and would also
>> appreciate any brands that are new and proven reliable. I've got OWC,
>> Hitachis, Maxtors.
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>> Linda
>> >>> _____________________
>> >>> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >>> P.O. Box 325
>> >>> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >>> (520) 803-0538
>> >>> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:07:29 -0700
>> > From:    Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: question about Time Machine
>> >
>> > THanks, Britt:
>> > I think I can upload my important files to another drive, then reformat
>> the one I've got.
>> > Still considering another drive. but would rather not.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Linda
>> > _____________________
>> > Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> > P.O. Box 325
>> > Hereford, AZ 85615
>> > (520) 803-0538
>> > www.lindafeltner.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Britt Griswold wrote:
>> >
>> >> Check this out!  The disc utility may be able to do this...
>> >> http://macs.about.com/od/applications/ss/diskutilitysize_3.htm
>> >>
>> >> If it was me, I would just reformat the disk as long as you are
>> confident that all the important document on your main hard drive are in
>> good shape, and your HD does not crash for the next day or so while the TM
>> archive is rebuilt. Otherwise you will need a different hard drive.
>> >>
>> >> Britt
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Karen Ackoff [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 13:53:36 -0400
>> >> Subject: Re: [SCIART] question about Time Machine
>> >>
>> >> I'm clear how you are trying to re-size partitions.
>> >>
>> >> First of all, you cannot adjust partitions with data on the drives.
>> You'd have to wipe the drive completely, and then reset your partition(s).
>> I don't know that you can specifically set the size of a partition, but you
>> can choose the number of partitions for a particular drive. But this must
>> be done at the initial set up.
>> >>
>> >> If you want to keep the old Time Machine backups, unplug the drive and
>> plug in a different drive. Keep the old drive as an archive, and set up the
>> Time Machine for the new drive.
>> >>
>> >> As for drives. I cannot stand Western Digital, though they are popular
>> and generally cheap. I usually use LaCie, and they've been reliable, except
>> for one drive (and I suspect it overheated over time because I had it
>> mounted extremely close to another drive; I suspect it didn't cool
>> sufficiently although it did take years for the drive to fail).
>> >>
>> >> K
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 14:09:02 -0400
>> > From:    Karen Ackoff <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: BAcking up Time Machine to the Cloud
>> >
>> > You refer to a second drive... I assume you mean an external drive? Are
>> you backing up from a PC? You can backup an external drive from a PC, but
>> not a Mac. Or at least, this is what the Carbonite people told me.
>> >
>> > I tend to keep all my data on external drives, with the exception of my
>> most current work. This is so I can access it should the computer itself go
>> down.
>> >
>> > It isn't difficult to set up a RAID, although the initial formatting
>> (zeroing out all data) takes time (5 days for each 4 TB drive). My user
>> group stressed the importance of zeroing out all data. Then setting up the
>> RAID can be done from DISK UTILITY, and is pretty quick and painless. Then
>> it took me a few hours to copy my data to it from my old drives.
>> >
>> > I do use DropBox and a similar service through my university. But I
>> really don't use Apple's cloud for much.
>> >
>> > K
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Barbara Harmon <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have been on Carbonite for four years or so. Love it.
>> >> Used it many times to save my butt or simply as convenience when
>> traveling.
>> >>
>> >> I had DSL when I originally uploaded files, but I only had (I think)
>> 500GB. I am able to backup my second 500GB drive as well.
>> >>
>> >> I want to hear more about the Apple Cloud too.... in the case I can
>> ever get around to actually following through.
>> >> ;-)
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Barb
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Barbara Harmon
>> >> www.barbaraharmon.com
>> >> www.harmon-murals.blogspot.com
>> >> 508*430*8308
>> >> [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Karen Ackoff wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I don't backup to the cloud. For several reasons... 1) I don't have
>> enough space on the cloud to back up my entire hard drive. 2) For security
>> reasons; I keep tax records, receipts, etc. on my computer, and I don't
>> want these on the cloud, regardless of security claims. I'm just not that
>> trusting yet. I'm referring to the Apple Cloud, in regard to amount of
>> storage space.
>> >>>
>> >>> I did query carbonite... and that is an option, I suppose. You can
>> backup your hard drive, but you cannot back up any external hard drives if
>> you use a Mac.
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, I only have access to DSL where I live, and it would literally
>> take months for the first backup as upload speeds are slow.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm hoping my internet upload speeds improve over time, and cloud
>> options also improve and are affordable. But for now, I keep things at home.
>> >>>
>> >>> I did recently set up a RAID array (from scratch; I did not purchase
>> an already configured RAID). I bought two 4 TB drives and set them up as a
>> mirror RAID. It is a big improvement over the 9 (!) external hard drives
>> that I had previously. It was just too many wires and too many plugs and
>> not enough receptacles. The only downside, is that the RAID takes about
>> 20-30 seconds to spin up if it is in a sleep mode. But other than that,
>> it's great not to have to think about cloning a drive. It just works.
>> >>>
>> >>> K
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Does anyone backup their Mac Time Machine to the Cloud? What means
>> to you use?
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Linda
>> >>>> _____________________
>> >>>> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >>>> P.O. Box 325
>> >>>> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >>>> (520) 803-0538
>> >>>> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ________________________________________________
>> >>>>
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>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 14:10:22 -0400
>> > From:    Karen Ackoff <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: question about Time Machine
>> >
>> > I have an old APC hard drive. The case is held together with duct tape.
>> And it still works! Though at more than 10 years old, I'll be replacing it
>> soon.
>> >
>> > K
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 2:05 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thank you, again.
>> >>
>> >> I can adjust the size of a partition at initial setup, along with the
>> number, by using Mac Utility>Partitions. But not now, doing what I want. I
>> can't add space to an existing partition that has data, yes.
>> >>
>> >> I'm shopping for new drives, although they've gotten less expensive
>> for the storage, it's still not what I wanted to do today.
>> >> If I had the time and energy, I'd consolidate all my various external
>> hard drives into one RAID system. In a world that was perfect.  while in
>> haste, I may just drag and drop the important files, and deal with this
>> when I get back in town.
>> >>
>> >> I'm looking at LaCie and Seagate and OWC-mercury Elite AL Pro (got one
>> of those that I"m using now).. I've had several Hitachi's that were/are
>> quite good. But I just keep making them redundant so if one finally goes it
>> won't be disastrous.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers! and thanks again,
>> >> Linda
>> >> _____________________
>> >> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >> P.O. Box 325
>> >> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >> (520) 803-0538
>> >> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Karen Ackoff wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm clear how you are trying to re-size partitions.
>> >>>
>> >>> First of all, you cannot adjust partitions with data on the drives.
>> You'd have to wipe the drive completely, and then reset your partition(s).
>> I don't know that you can specifically set the size of a partition, but you
>> can choose the number of partitions for a particular drive. But this must
>> be done at the initial set up.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you want to keep the old Time Machine backups, unplug the drive
>> and plug in a different drive. Keep the old drive as an archive, and set up
>> the Time Machine for the new drive.
>> >>>
>> >>> As for drives... I cannot stand Western Digital, though they are
>> popular and generally cheap. I usually use LaCie, and they've been
>> reliable, except for one drive (and I suspect it overheated over time
>> because I had it mounted extremely close to another drive; I suspect it
>> didn't cool sufficiently although it did take years for the drive to fail).
>> >>>
>> >>> K
>> >>>
>> >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> For those who use Mac Time machine, I wondered why one cannot resize
>> the partitions in an external drive?
>> >>>> I am consulting to the knowledgebase online. I have an external HD
>> with two partitions. The MAC Disk Utility will not all me to re-size the
>> volumes. I'm about half full (with old backups) and I'd like to resize the
>> partitions, or eliminate the one that was first created and has nothing on
>> it.
>> >>>> But it won't let me do that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I understand that TM will erase the old backups when it reaches full
>> (when set on automatic), and copy over the new backups. I use a manual
>> backup.  One place said just to delete and reformat the hard drive back to
>> one partition. But I'm a bit hesitant to lose any complete backup of the
>> whole Mac system.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just wondered if this was a common thing (not being able to resize
>> the partitions.)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I might have to shop for another external drive, and would also
>> appreciate any brands that are new and proven reliable. I've got OWC,
>> Hitachis, Maxtors.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> thanks
>> >>>> Linda
>> >>>> _____________________
>> >>>> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >>>> P.O. Box 325
>> >>>> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >>>> (520) 803-0538
>> >>>> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ________________________________________________
>> >>>>
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>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:15:20 -0700
>> > From:    Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: question about Time Machine
>> >
>> > OH, these directions were much better than what I previously found!!!!!
>> Exact step by step, and did exactly what I wanted it to.
>> >
>> > Gosh, I've been searching for over an hour, and didn't come up with
>> these directions.
>> > Thank you very much!!!
>> > L.
>> > _____________________
>> > Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> > P.O. Box 325
>> > Hereford, AZ 85615
>> > (520) 803-0538
>> > www.lindafeltner.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Britt Griswold wrote:
>> >
>> >> Check this out!  The disc utility may be able to do this...
>> >> http://macs.about.com/od/applications/ss/diskutilitysize_3.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the
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>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 14:49:42 -0400
>> > From:    Barbara Harmon <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: BAcking up Time Machine to the Cloud
>> >
>> > My other drive is inside the box but is a separate component - so is
>> that considered external? Actually I hadn't originally been backing that
>> one up until I called Carbonite an they said I could, so maybe it's not
>> well-publicized or something... but I am very happy that I can. I'm on Mac.
>> >
>> > I also have 2 other external drives, but I just tend to not have them
>> on automatic  back up (or even plugged in - too many wires etc) nearly
>> frequently enough.... And I still have not fully utilized Dropbox. Thanks
>> for the RAID info - had always wondered about that.
>> >
>> > Barbara Harmon
>> > www.barbaraharmon.com
>> > www.harmon-murals.blogspot.com
>> > 508*430*8308
>> > [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 2:09 PM, Karen Ackoff wrote:
>> >
>> >> You refer to a second drive... I assume you mean an external drive? Are
>> you backing up from a PC? You can backup an external drive from a PC, but
>> not a Mac. Or at least, this is what the Carbonite people told me.
>> >>
>> >> I tend to keep all my data on external drives, with the exception of
>> my most current work. This is so I can access it should the computer itself
>> go down.
>> >>
>> >> It isn't difficult to set up a RAID, although the initial formatting
>> (zeroing out all data) takes time (5 days for each 4 TB drive). My user
>> group stressed the importance of zeroing out all data. Then setting up the
>> RAID can be done from DISK UTILITY, and is pretty quick and painless. Then
>> it took me a few hours to copy my data to it from my old drives.
>> >>
>> >> I do use DropBox and a similar service through my university. But I
>> really don't use Apple's cloud for much.
>> >>
>> >> K
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Barbara Harmon <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I have been on Carbonite for four years or so. Love it.
>> >>> Used it many times to save my butt or simply as convenience when
>> traveling.
>> >>>
>> >>> I had DSL when I originally uploaded files, but I only had (I think)
>> 500GB. I am able to backup my second 500GB drive as well.
>> >>>
>> >>> I want to hear more about the Apple Cloud too.... in the case I can
>> ever get around to actually following through.
>> >>> ;-)
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Barb
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Barbara Harmon
>> >>> www.barbaraharmon.com
>> >>> www.harmon-murals.blogspot.com
>> >>> 508*430*8308
>> >>> [log in to unmask]
>> >>>
>> >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Karen Ackoff wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I don't backup to the cloud. For several reasons... 1) I don't have
>> enough space on the cloud to back up my entire hard drive. 2) For security
>> reasons; I keep tax records, receipts, etc. on my computer, and I don't
>> want these on the cloud, regardless of security claims. I'm just not that
>> trusting yet. I'm referring to the Apple Cloud, in regard to amount of
>> storage space.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I did query carbonite... and that is an option, I suppose. You can
>> backup your hard drive, but you cannot back up any external hard drives if
>> you use a Mac.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also, I only have access to DSL where I live, and it would literally
>> take months for the first backup as upload speeds are slow.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm hoping my internet upload speeds improve over time, and cloud
>> options also improve and are affordable. But for now, I keep things at home.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I did recently set up a RAID array (from scratch; I did not purchase
>> an already configured RAID). I bought two 4 TB drives and set them up as a
>> mirror RAID. It is a big improvement over the 9 (!) external hard drives
>> that I had previously. It was just too many wires and too many plugs and
>> not enough receptacles. The only downside, is that the RAID takes about
>> 20-30 seconds to spin up if it is in a sleep mode. But other than that,
>> it's great not to have to think about cloning a drive. It just works.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> K
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Does anyone backup their Mac Time Machine to the Cloud? What means
>> to you use?
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>> Linda
>> >>>>> _____________________
>> >>>>> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >>>>> P.O. Box 325
>> >>>>> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >>>>> (520) 803-0538
>> >>>>> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ________________________________________________
>> >>>>>
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>> >
>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 12:00:58 -0700
>> > From:    Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: BAcking up Time Machine to the Cloud
>> >
>> > I had a Mac with two hard drives inside at one time. I manually
>> installed the second drive, there was space and wiring for it. That was a
>> long time ago.
>> > I like the external drives because I can take them to the bank box
>> during fire season and stored off site.
>> > I also like to unplug my external drives, until ready for backups,
>> because we are rural, and especially during monsoon, thunderstorms are
>> always knocking out electricity. Even surge protectors are no guarantee.
>> >
>> > Thanks to everyone, it's always good to keep current, or try to. ha.
>> >
>> > Linda
>> > _____________________
>> > Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> > P.O. Box 325
>> > Hereford, AZ 85615
>> > (520) 803-0538
>> > www.lindafeltner.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Barbara Harmon wrote:
>> >
>> >> My other drive is inside the box but is a separate component - so is
>> that considered external? Actually I hadn't originally been backing that
>> one up until I called Carbonite an they said I could, so maybe it's not
>> well-publicized or something... but I am very happy that I can. I'm on Mac.
>> >>
>> >> I also have 2 other external drives, but I just tend to not have them
>> on automatic  back up (or even plugged in - too many wires etc) nearly
>> frequently enough.... And I still have not fully utilized Dropbox. Thanks
>> for the RAID info - had always wondered about that.
>> >>
>> >> Barbara Harmon
>> >> www.barbaraharmon.com
>> >> www.harmon-murals.blogspot.com
>> >> 508*430*8308
>> >> [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 2:09 PM, Karen Ackoff wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> You refer to a second drive... I assume you mean an external drive? Are
>> you backing up from a PC? You can backup an external drive from a PC, but
>> not a Mac. Or at least, this is what the Carbonite people told me.
>> >>>
>> >>> I tend to keep all my data on external drives, with the exception of
>> my most current work. This is so I can access it should the computer itself
>> go down.
>> >>>
>> >>> It isn't difficult to set up a RAID, although the initial formatting
>> (zeroing out all data) takes time (5 days for each 4 TB drive). My user
>> group stressed the importance of zeroing out all data. Then setting up the
>> RAID can be done from DISK UTILITY, and is pretty quick and painless. Then
>> it took me a few hours to copy my data to it from my old drives.
>> >>>
>> >>> I do use DropBox and a similar service through my university. But I
>> really don't use Apple's cloud for much.
>> >>>
>> >>> K
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Barbara Harmon <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I have been on Carbonite for four years or so. Love it.
>> >>>> Used it many times to save my butt or simply as convenience when
>> traveling.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I had DSL when I originally uploaded files, but I only had (I think)
>> 500GB. I am able to backup my second 500GB drive as well.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I want to hear more about the Apple Cloud too.... in the case I can
>> ever get around to actually following through.
>> >>>> ;-)
>> >>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> Barb
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Barbara Harmon
>> >>>> www.barbaraharmon.com
>> >>>> www.harmon-murals.blogspot.com
>> >>>> 508*430*8308
>> >>>> [log in to unmask]
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Karen Ackoff wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I don't backup to the cloud. For several reasons... 1) I don't have
>> enough space on the cloud to back up my entire hard drive. 2) For security
>> reasons; I keep tax records, receipts, etc. on my computer, and I don't
>> want these on the cloud, regardless of security claims. I'm just not that
>> trusting yet. I'm referring to the Apple Cloud, in regard to amount of
>> storage space.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I did query carbonite... and that is an option, I suppose. You can
>> backup your hard drive, but you cannot back up any external hard drives if
>> you use a Mac.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Also, I only have access to DSL where I live, and it would
>> literally take months for the first backup as upload speeds are slow.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm hoping my internet upload speeds improve over time, and cloud
>> options also improve and are affordable. But for now, I keep things at home.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I did recently set up a RAID array (from scratch; I did not
>> purchase an already configured RAID). I bought two 4 TB drives and set them
>> up as a mirror RAID. It is a big improvement over the 9 (!) external hard
>> drives that I had previously. It was just too many wires and too many plugs
>> and not enough receptacles. The only downside, is that the RAID takes about
>> 20-30 seconds to spin up if it is in a sleep mode. But other than that,
>> it's great not to have to think about cloning a drive. It just works.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> K
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Does anyone backup their Mac Time Machine to the Cloud? What means
>> to you use?
>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>> Linda
>> >>>>>> _____________________
>> >>>>>> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >>>>>> P.O. Box 325
>> >>>>>> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >>>>>> (520) 803-0538
>> >>>>>> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
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>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:42:42 -0400
>> > From:    Bruce Bartrug <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: neutral grey
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a reference number for neutral grey color(s).  It's
>> for a
>> > website I'm putting together and I need a background for both color and
>> > monochrome (b/w) images.  The color descriptor scheme used by the site
>> > template uses six characters, e.g., 22a5dd for a medium blue I chose
>> for a
>> > navigation color.  More than one value neutral grey would be helpful as
>> > well, if you have that info.  Any references or suggestions would be
>> > welcome.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > b
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bruce Bartrug
>> > Nobleboro, Maine, USA
>> > [log in to unmask]
>> > www.brucebartrug.com
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>> > because of those who look on and do nothing.  - Albert Einstein
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>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 12:57:14 -0700
>> > From:    Stoney Compton <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: neutral grey
>> >
>> > The Navy uses this for all of its power point presentations for student
>> pilots R: 173, G: 173, B: 173.
>> >
>> >
>> > Stoney Compton, SFWA
>> >
>> > Author of Russian Amerika andAlaska Republik (Baen Books).
>> > Treadwell, A Novel of Alaska Territory, Diplomatic Exchange, Level Six,
>> Return to Kiana, andWhalesong, available in Kindle or Smashwords and trade
>> paperback format from Pullo Pup Publishing through Amazon.
>> >
>> > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005LZWL3S
>> > http://www.stoneycompton.com
>> > http://www.facebook.com/Treadwell.novel
>> >
>> > It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere. -Voltaire,
>> philosopher and writer (1694-1778)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Bruce Bartrug <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:42 PM
>> > Subject: [SCIART] neutral grey
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a reference number for neutral grey color(s).  It's
>> for a website I'm putting together and I need a background for both color
>> and monochrome (b/w) images.  The color descriptor scheme used by the site
>> template uses six characters, e.g., 22a5dd for a medium blue I chose for a
>> navigation color.  More than one value neutral grey would be helpful as
>> well, if you have that info.  Any references or suggestions would be
>> welcome.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> >
>> > b
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bruce Bartrug
>> > Nobleboro, Maine, USA
>> > [log in to unmask]
>> > http://www.brucebartrug.com/
>> >
>> > The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but
>> because of those who look on and do nothing.  - Albert Einstein
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>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 16:30:44 -0400
>> > From:    Bruce Bartrug <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: neutral grey
>> >
>> > OMG!  The minor obnoxious gods of the web must have gotten tired of me
>> > complaining about card catalogs.  Here's a site that lists hex rgb
>> colors
>> > in three different color designation schemes, which you will recognize
>> from
>> > the image of the color picker in Pshop.  Not surprisingly, white is 255
>> and
>> > black 000.  Durn.  The second chart down one can hover over all the
>> blacks
>> > and find the hex rgb value for several shades of achromatic gray.
>> >
>> > Wonders never cease,
>> > b
>> >
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>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 13:47:10 -0700
>> > From:    "A.Simonnet" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: neutral grey
>> >
>> > Your question led me to a couple of places, which might or might not be
>> useful to you? They show all web ref. shade of gray #. In any case I found
>> it pretty interesting. The world of colors is an amazing one!
>> > http://www.december.com/html/spec/color0.html
>> >
>> > http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_colors.asp
>> >
>> > Good luck,
>> > Aurore
>> >
>> > Aurore Simonnet - Scientific Illustrator
>> > NASA EPO - Sonoma State University
>> > [log in to unmask]
>> > http://epo.sonoma.edu
>> > On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:14 PM, Bruce Bartrug <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a reference number for neutral grey color(s).  It's
>> for a website I'm putting together and I need a background for both color
>> and monochrome (b/w) images.  The color descriptor scheme used by the site
>> template uses six characters, e.g., 22a5dd for a medium blue I chose for a
>> navigation color.  More than one value neutral grey would be helpful as
>> well, if you have that info.  Any references or suggestions would be
>> welcome.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> >
>> > b
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bruce Bartrug
>> > Nobleboro, Maine, USA
>> > [log in to unmask]
>> > www.brucebartrug.com
>> >
>> > The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but
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>> > Date:    Wed, 2 Apr 2014 08:03:40 +1000
>> > From:    "Smith Will (Toowong)" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: BAcking up Time Machine to the Cloud
>> >
>> >
>> > Wow! A time machine. Do you need a DeLorean for it to work. haha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Will Smith
>> >
>> > Project Officer (Botanical Imaging)
>> >
>> > Queensland Herbarium
>> >
>> > Science Delivery
>> >
>> > Department of Science, IT, Innovation and the Arts (DSITIA)
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Phone: (07) 38969508
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration-
>> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Linda Feltner
>> > Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2014 3:40 AM
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: [SCIART] BAcking up Time Machine to the Cloud
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Does anyone backup their Mac Time Machine to the Cloud? What means to
>> > you use?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Linda
>> >
>> > _____________________
>> >
>> > Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> > P.O. Box 325
>> > Hereford, AZ 85615
>> > (520) 803-0538
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>> >
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>> > Date:    Tue, 1 Apr 2014 18:21:45 -0400
>> > From:    OC Carlisle <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Subject: Re: question about Time Machine
>> >
>> > I have been using LaCie desk top drives for my Mac for many years,
>> never a problem, phone customer support is excellent!  When I started
>> school, bought a LaCie Rugged, use at school and with laptop - fabulous.
>>  Definitely need to set up a RAID.  I use the Mac "Time Machine" with a
>> LaCie 1TB; backs me up hourly.  At this time, this works for me.  Have two
>> APC battery backups.
>> >
>> > Best,  "OC" Carlisle
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
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>> >> OH, these directions were much better than what I previously
>> found!!!!! Exact step by step, and did exactly what I wanted it to.
>> >>
>> >> Gosh, I've been searching for over an hour, and didn't come up with
>> these directions.
>> >> Thank you very much!!!
>> >> L.
>> >> _____________________
>> >> Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC
>> >> P.O. Box 325
>> >> Hereford, AZ 85615
>> >> (520) 803-0538
>> >> www.lindafeltner.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Britt Griswold wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Check this out!  The disc utility may be able to do this...
>> >>> http://macs.about.com/od/applications/ss/diskutilitysize_3.htm
>> >>
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