Thank you Dorcas. I will check those out as well as start compiling my own
list of links on names, and adding them to my blog. I am very new and not
aware of many of the resources online I know, but in my defense I did go
looking for them without much success.I guess part of it I was getting
frustrated at the seeming lack of resources. In truth they appear to be
there. I just did not know where to look. Anyway, many many thanks for your
help Dorcas. I am always open to instruction, correction, and such as I
truly want to grow as a herald. It is nice after all this time off and on
in the SCA to find something new to catch my interest, :)

In Service,

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Dorcas Whitecap <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> I promise you, no other herald will think less of you if you "go crying to
> a herald that knows more than I do".  I doubt that a client looking for a
> name would think less of you for it, either.  Asking for help is part of
> learning and growing as a herald, just like in any field of endeavor.
> As for, "I was merely commenting on the availability of such lists
> online", please do compile your own list of links, or lists of names.
> You'll learn a lot by doing it, and have fun in the process.  But please
> look at the Medieval Names Archive, found at
> and the excellent article on doing name research without books, found at
> and then decide for yourself if you still agree with your own comment.
> D^
> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Berry Canote <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>> Greetings Dorcas,
>> Oh no that is definitely not what I meant! :) Again I apologize for not
>> explaining myself well.
>> I realize consulting tables have lists of names and many other resources,
>> and that many heralds maintain such lists on their own. I think a
>> consulting table may be the best way folks can get help with a name or a
>> device. A consulting table certainly has more resources than I can provide
>> with the shire's resources and those online. I think the veteran heralds
>> like yourself and those of the past have come up with fantastic resources
>> for folks to use. What I meant about the availability of lists is such
>> things are not available online, or when they are folks do not know where
>> they can find them.I know with the newcomers coming into Amlesmore some
>> want an idea of a name before they go to a major event, just something to
>> try on for size. I have no name lists of my own for them to look at, and my
>> own expertise is limited to Old English, Middle English, and Old Norse.
>> Were someone to ask about 14th century French names I would be lost and
>> have to go crying to a herald that knows more than I do or has more
>> resources than I do to give the client some ideas for names. I definitely
>> did not mean name lists were a new idea though! I was merely commenting on
>> the availability of such lists online.
>> In Service,
>> Wulfhere.
>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Dorcas Whitecap <[log in to unmask]
>> > wrote:
>>> Wulfhere said:
>>> "They could look at a list of names and pick one they like and then go
>>> to a herald with their choice(s)."
>>> Or they could go to a consulting table at an event.  They'll find books
>>> there, with names.  They'll find heralds there, with expertise, rockin' it
>>> old school!
>>> There are consulting tables at many events, especially the larger ones.
>>> There was one at Krist Kinder, and at 12th Night.  Hmm, I didn't see one at
>>> Chieftains, or Crown Tournament.  I could probably do one at Melees &
>>> Mayhem, and possibly at Horse & Falcons.  There'll be a consulting table at
>>> Lilies War.  It will be open most, if not all, of the week.
>>> Heralds have ALWAYS tried to provide lists of names for people to pick
>>> from.  I just now realized that what I'm responding negatively to is your
>>> suggestion that providing lists of names is somehow a new idea.  Maybe
>>> that's not what you meant.  Please tell me that's not what you meant.
>>> I cannot read your blog post, since I'm at work, and it's blocked.  I'm
>>> only responding to your, and others', emails on this list.
>>> Dorcas
>>> and I finally figured out how to trim my replies!
>>> still top-posting, though...
>>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Berry Canote <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>>> Greetings Dorcas!
>>>> I do not know if I am reading what you said right, but it sounds like
>>>> you thought I meant that newcomers should have to do their own name
>>>> research. That is not what I intended to say here, or what I meant in my
>>>> blog. The idea was to let folks know how name research is done. And I do
>>>> feel such resources as lists of names would be helpful for newcomers to see
>>>> so they could choose a name that a herald could then research for them and
>>>> document, Part of the problem I have been seeing is that folks do not know
>>>> what choices they have as far as names go. They do not know for example
>>>> Offa may be available for them if they are wanting a 9th century
>>>> Anglo-Saxon persona. A simple list would be handy for that. They could look
>>>> at a list of names and pick one they like and then go to a herald with
>>>> their choice(s). I know many would rather not have to go looking for
>>>> sources to document a name. It would be like expecting me to research
>>>> weaving just to have a surcoat made. It is not going to happen as I have no
>>>> interest there. Anyway, I did not want you thinking I meant newcomers
>>>> should have to learn all the rules, how to document a name, learn how to
>>>> submit a name and device, and such. I feel a herald should do that kind of
>>>> work if the person does not have an interest in anything other than getting
>>>> their name submitted and registered. I do apologize for poorly wording my
>>>> statement, and my blog post, and giving the wrong impression. I am a writer
>>>> and should know better how to explain what I mean. And I also apologize if
>>>> I took what you said the wrong way.
>>>> In Service,
>>>> Wulfhere of Eofeshamme Amlesmore Herald
>>>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Dorcas Whitecap <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> Wulfhere said:
>>>>> " Here I am a fairly new herald and I did not even know of these
>>>>> resources despite having been trained and hanging out on various heraldric
>>>>> forums. It is very probable then that newcomers will never know of them
>>>>> unless some herald points them to them."
>>>>> Two points:
>>>>> 1.  You are a new herald.  There is a lot you don't know -- yet.
>>>>> You'll gain expertise over time, but there's no reason to expect you'll
>>>>> ever know all there is to know about heraldry.  And that's OKAY!  Ask any
>>>>> fighter, ask any artisan, they'll tell you there's always more to learn
>>>>> about their craft, whatever it is.  Heraldry is just the same.
>>>>> 2.  I have no problem whatsoever with the fact, which you pointed out,
>>>>> that "newcomers will never know of [these resources] unless some herald
>>>>> points them to them."  Of course I'll help somebody with finding a name.
>>>>> That's my job.  That's my joy.  There's no reason why they should have to
>>>>> do all the research, and learn all the rules, if they just want to register
>>>>> a name and/or device.  If they want to become a herald, I'll help with that
>>>>> also.  But if that's not their passion, okay.  It's mine.
>>>>> Dorcas Whitecap
>>>>> herald since A.S. 26
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