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Thank you, Jenny, I appreciate it. I actually have two of those smaller pro-art palettes.I forgot about them! I have the larger one, and found it hard to pack in a travel kit, so found these two smaller ones in a walk-in store, and thought I'd use one for warm paints and t'other for cools. I'd have more mixing areas, too. Very glad you mentioned them. I costed out the W&N colors I would use, in 15ml and 37ml tubes. I narrowed it down to 6 colors. I am still arguing with myself over trying Van Gogh or keeping with DSmith or W&N. I don't want to get stuck with paints I really can't use. Both halves of my brain are still tossing that one around. This weekend I opened a new tube of DS Hematite Violet, and darned if it wasn't 2/3 binder. I've had the tube for a while, many months, and don't know if they'll take it back. grrrr. In my investigation of DSmith or Blick W&N pigments, palettes, paper, everything, Blick is cheaper across the board. Even with identical W&N paints about 1.50-2.5o each cheaper a tube. So I haven't found the DSmith sale to be that much of a big whoop. My costs worked out about $24 bucks a student (10 students) for the paints I picked out. But I might reconsider buying the multiples I thought I may need. Another $10 for the Black Silver Brush, and $3.80 for the folding pro-art palette (well, I found it under "Blick's" generic name, not pro-art). It is totaling around $40 for the material fee. So I'm still contemplating it. I might cut down on some paint. I am still clinging to the idea of the brush. Ta very much Linda _____________________ Linda M. Feltner Artist, LLC P.O. Box 325 Hereford, AZ 85615 (520) 803-0538 www.lindafeltner.com On Sep 15, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Jenny Keller wrote: > hi all, > > a delayed response, here -- i was joyfully engaged on a backpacking trip over the weekend! > > kathleen, depending on the target cost of the finished paint sets, i go for a double primary palette (warm and cool of each primary), plus maybe one or two earth tones (burnt umber, burnt sienna) and maybe a green such as viridian (which quickly gets the point across that some raw-looking colors may actually be quite good at playing with others). there's also nothing like a cadmium orange, so i try to include that, too. once i had a lot of quinacridone gold on hand, for some reason, which my students also loved. so my answer to your question is, "it varies", but i make sure it's an array of 8-10 you-can-mix-yourself-to-anywhere-from-here colors. > > linda, just to clarify, the small pro-art palette i'm referring to actually has 20 wells (now that i'm home i can include a picture, linda, if you send me your direct email address) -- more than enough room to include whatever colors you wish. i find that air-dried tube paints re-wet quite readily for around 6 months, and are still reasonably cooperative for about 2 years, which i consider to be a good window of usability for the cost of the set (--especially considering that the paint can be replaced and the palette can be used indefinitely). i do use Daniel Smith tube paints, preferentially, but i also find that the Van Gogh tube paints (not dry cakes -- i don't think VG even makes them) are a good, economical choice for participants who would otherwise not be able to afford a paint set at all. > > that's my 4 cents -- a little more wordy when not typing on my phone, eh? ha ha! > > have a great time with your students, linda. they are so lucky to have you as their teacher! > > jenny > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jenny Keller <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > oh wait! 5 cents… > > i am currently experimenting with M.Graham&Co. and Sennlier for a few of the "eventually-turns-hard-as-rubber-when-dried" tube colors. the honey in the binder (hydrophilic) may make them re-wet better for a longer period of time. > > witnessing what happened to some my friends' paint sets in the tropics made me think of trying out these brands -- at least for burnt umber, viridian, etc.! > > jenny > > > > -- > Jenny Keller > Program Coordinator and Instructor, Science Illustration Program > CSU Monterey Bay • 100 Campus Center • Seaside, CA 93955-8001 > (831) 582-3480 • (831) 582-4502 fax • scienceillustration.org > > ________________________________________________ > > Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the instructions at > http://www.gnsi.org/resources/reviews/gnsi-sciart-l-listserv Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the instructions at http://www.gnsi.org/resources/reviews/gnsi-sciart-l-listserv