Dorcas did things I haven't heard of before! Tell us about them, please, Mistress Heraldry Goob. -Ingeborg On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Jeremy Sacksteder < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Greetings to All, > > The Armorial and Saker website have been updated to reflect the items in > this LOAR. > > In Service, > > Gunnar Thorisson > Vert Hawk Herald > > > CALONTIR acceptances > * *Áed of Forgotten Sea. * Holding name and device (see PENDS for name). > Per bend rayonny azure and gules, an eagle and three mullets argent. This > complex low-contrast line of division is identifiable here and thus > registerable. > Please advise the submitter to draw some internal detailing on the eagle. > Submitted under the name *Áed mac Néill*. > * *Chiara di Paxiti. * Name (see RETURNS for device). > * *Dorcas Whitecap. * Blanket permission to conflict by identity with > name. Dorcas grants permission to conflict for any name that is at least > a syllable different from her registered name. > * *Dorcas Whitecap. * Blanket permission to conflict by relationship with > name. Dorcas grants permission to use her registered name in part of > another name, thus creating a claim of relationship. Such a permission to > conflict is covered in PN3E and Appendix D of SENA. > * *Dorcas Whitecap. * Heraldic will. Upon her death, Dorcas's heraldic > will transfers control of her currently registered items to the office of > the Gold Falcon Principal Herald of the Kingdom of Calontir. > * *Emeline de Moulineaux. * Device. Argent, an arrow inverted bendwise > sinister sable surmounted by a gillyflower gules, a bordure vert. > * *Faustus Cantilius Lupus. * Device. Or, a pale between two wolves > sejant respectant ululant gules. There is a step from period practice for > the use of the ululant posture. > * *Iaan Sørensen. * Name and device. Per bend gules and argent, two > lizards tergiant bendwise argent and sable. Submitted as *Iaan Sorenson*, > the submitter requested the spelling *Sørensen* if it could be supported. > This spelling was supported by examples in the Letter of Intent and in > commentary. Therefore, we have made this change. > Nice 15th century Norwegian name! > * *Isibél inghean Dáire. * Device. Per saltire sable and azure, four > natural seahorses argent. > * *Judur bint 'Abd al-Wahid. * Device change. Argent, on a fess between a > lozenge ployé and a chalice azure, an Arabic penbox argent. The > submitter's old device, *Per pale argent and azure, a chevron inverted > and in chief a rose counterchanged*, is retained as a badge. > There is a step from period practice for the use of an Arabic penbox. > * *Jutte Roose van der Brugghe. * Name. > * *Khalil ibn Abd'l-Wahid al-Katib. * Name change from Cesare di Lodovico > Malefici. Submitted as *Khalil abd'l-Wahid al-Katib*, the submitter > requested authenticity for "10th century Al Andalus/Maghrebi". This request > was not stated in the Letter of Intent. The submitted name uses two given > name elements, *Khalil* and *Abd'l* (which we have capitalized). However, > we do not have evidence of double given names in Arabic, so this pattern is > not registerable. > In the Pelican decision meeting, Siren documented both *Khalil ibn > Abd'l-Wahid al-Katib* and *Abu Khalil Abd'l-Wahid al-Katib*. We have > changed the name to the former in order to register the name, as it is a > smaller change. The elements are all found in al-Andalus between the 9th > and 12th centuries, but we do not know if it meets the submitter's request > for a 10th century name. > The submitter's previous name, *Cesare di Lodovico Malefici*, is retained > as an alternate name. > * *Matthaios Dauid diakonos. * Name change from Lucius Angelini de Santa > Croce. Submitted as *Matthaios Dauid o Diakonia*, the submitter requested > authenticity for 6th century Greek. The byname *o Diakonia* is > constructed using the masculine article *o* with a feminine noun, > *diakonia*. In addition, we were unable to find documentation to show > that such a noun could be used as a plausible byname. Green Staff was able > to document the occupational byname *diakonos* ("servant") to late 6th or > early 7th century Aphrodisias (in present-day Turkey). We have changed the > byname to this form with the submitter's permission in order to meet the > request for authenticity. > Green Staff also noted that during the 6th century, "The order indicates > that <Matthaios> is either the father's name or a Christian name chosen on > baptism. If he wants his given name to be <Matthaios>, he should go by > <Dauid Matthaios diakonos>." > The submitter's previous name, *Lucius Angelini de Santa Croce*, is > released. > * *Monday Fayrandgode. * Name and device. Quarterly azure and vert, a > peacock close to sinister regardant Or. This submission does not conflict > with the device of John Aquila of Eaglesdown: *Purpure, an eagle close to > sinister Or*. There is one DC for the field, and one for the difference > between a peacock and an eagle. > * *Owain ap Blethyn Llwyd. * Augmentation of arms. Purpure, a chevron > between three feathers and as augmentation in chief a cross of Calatrava > Or. > * *Søren atte Raven. * Badge. (Fieldless) An arrow bendwise inverted Or > winged sable. > * *Tigernán Otterburn. * Name and device. Per bend azure and gules, on a > bend argent between two phoenixes Or a brown otter passant proper. This > name combines a Gaelic given name and Scots byname. This is an acceptable > lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA. > * *Wulfhere of Eofeshamme. * Device. Or, two bendlets between two oak > leaves vert. > * *Wulfhere of Eofeshamme. * Badge. (Fieldless) A bend couped Or > surmounted by an oak leaf vert. > CALONTIR returns > * *Chiara di Paxiti. * Device. Argent, a butterfly and on a chief > invected purpure three feathers argent. This device is returned for > redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be > identifiable." Here the feathers on the chief are not identifiable because > too small. On resubmission, this could likely be solved by having a single > feather fesswise, or by decreasing the number of invections so the feathers > can lie on a slightly larger portion of the chief. > * *Gan Ystmelhaiijin. * Name. The submitter requested authenticity for a > 13th century Mongol name and expressed a desire for a name meaning "Steel > Turtle". Unfortunately, we have no evidence of a name element meaning > "turtle" in period Mongolian, nor could a period equivalent be found by > commenters or those present at the Pelican decision meeting. Therefore, we > are unable to register this name and cannot meet the authenticity request. > We note that there is an epithet meaning "tortoise": *Chingis/Chinggis*. > This element appears to be unique, only referring to Chingis (normal > Anglicized as Ghengis) Khan. We decline to rule whether this element would > be presumptuous. > > CALONTIR pends > * *Áed mac Néill. * Name. As the submitted name is the name of two 9th > century high kings of Ireland, this submission is being pended to discuss > whether it is presumptuous under PN4D, Claim of Identity or Close > Relationship with an Important Non-SCA Person: > > Sovereign rulers of significant states are generally important enough to > protect. Some historical city-states are not considered significant states. > Provinces or regions integrated into larger units like the Holy Roman > Empire are not generally considered significant states. Sovereigns of small > states that did not give rise directly to modern countries will not be > protected under this clause, nor will legendary kings of any state (though > these kings may be individually important enough to protect). > > An earlier precedent states: > > Precedent about how we protect sovereign rulers has been somewhat > contradictory over time. In the November 2004 Cover Letter, Laurel wrote > "Sovereigns of nations and empires (Kings, Queens, Khans) are always > important enough to protect." > However, there are many insignificant period nations, which disappeared > over time into the modern nation-states we know. There were, for example, > over 30 taifa kingdoms in 11th century al-Andalus, over 20 kingdoms in > Anglo-Saxon England at various points, over 20 kingdoms in 9th century > Norway, and six major and over 20 minor kingdoms in pre-Norman Wales. > Similar numbers of kingdoms could be identified in other parts of Europe as > well. Given the large number of these kingdoms and their relative lack of > fame, it is difficult to simply find or create lists of all these rulers of > these sovereign states. Because of that problem, Laurel has rarely > protected the rulers of these states unless a commenter was interested in > the region and went looking for such a ruler. Moreover, on the rare > occasion that such a return was made, the sovereign ruler was usually > someone most people did not recognize, let alone see as important enough to > protect. > Therefore, we are modifying precedent about sovereign rulers: we protect > historical rulers of nations that give rise to currently existing countries > (including entities like England, Castile, and Aragon) and of nations that > play an important role in medieval history but did not survive (Burgundy, > Scotland, the Holy Roman Empire, and the like). Sovereigns of small period > states that did not give rise directly to modern countries (Deheubarth, > Asturias, Valencia, Connacht, Urbino) will be protected only if the > individual's fame rises to the point that they personally are important > enough to protect. This includes Italian city states and the French > duchies. Similarly sovereigns of provinces or regions integrated into > larger units like the Holy Roman Empire will be protected only if the > individual's fame rises to the point that they personally are important > enough to protect. > A similar problem exists with legendary rulers. The Gaelic *Lebor Gabála > Érenn* alone lists over 100 legendary kings of Ireland. The Danish *Gesta > Danorum* lists over 50 legendary kings of the Danes. Geoffrey of Monmouth > lists over 75 kings of Britain before the Roman invasion in the 1st century > BC. Unless a commenter is interested in checking these sources, we do not > find out about these possible conflicts. > Therefore, we are modifying precedent about sovereign rulers here as well: > legendary rulers, even of significant nations, will be protected only if > the individual's fame rises to the point that they personally are important > enough to protect. [July 2011 Cover Letter] > > As the present submission is identical to the names of two historical > rulers, we are pending it to discuss the issue of presumption more fully. > We are also pending this name to discuss when a ruler becomes real enough > (i.e., non-legendary) to protect. > His device has been registered under the holding name *Áed of Forgotten > Sea*. > This was item 1 on the Calontir letter of June 23, 2014. > -- Manage your subscription at http://listserv.unl.edu. listserv.unl.edu > lists do not accept incoming email from Yahoo.com, AOL.com or Dropbox.com > due to their DMARC policies. -- Manage your subscription at http://listserv.unl.edu. listserv.unl.edu lists do not accept incoming email from Yahoo.com, AOL.com or Dropbox.com due to their DMARC policies.