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And archery? -Ingeborg On Nov 3, 2014 5:33 PM, "Bruce Lapham" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > So...uhm...I guess this would be mine to answer. Sadly, it's all kind of > confusing and sometimes vague. > > An event, as defined by corporate, is any official/sponsored get together > that is announced in the standard way. What is the standard way, you ask? > That depends. For local meetings/practices/farbles, it can mean via email, > webpage, FB, word of mouth, meeting announcement, semifore, smoke signals, > kumi-daiko messaging. Whatever! For Kingdom events (those things we drive > to on weekends and occassionaly for a whole week) must be announced in the > Kingdom newsletter. The difference is that Kingdom Court business can > happen at a Kingdom event, but not any old ordinary event. Royal events > are the special Kingdom events described in Calontir law. > > Demos are a wierd beastie. Since the local group announced it, it gets > covered by insurance. Because it is wide open to the general public, it > has a couple of special rules. They mostly come from the legal (read > seneschal) side of things. Rather than listing the individual scenarios > that have been made illegal over the years, the general rule is that the > public cannot participate in combat related activities. > > As it was related to me by the previous SocSen, someone threw a fit about > allowing "mundanes" to fight in armour at renfest like demos, so that was > made illegal. Someone found a loophole and started "whack-a-knight." > Someone else threw a fit about that not being within the spirit of the > rule, so that was made illegal. Someone decided that they would just have > people sign a waiver, declare it a fighter practice, and then work with the > public. Again, someone threw a fit and that was made illegal. > > The general idea is that if someone walks up to the SCA at a demo and puts > on armour, they might not really grasp the concept of what they are getting > into. Someone who comes to a practice or an event has at least a basic > idea that people are actually hitting each other and it isn't all just > stage craft and fakery. > > The insurance thing comes up a lot because it is an easy scapegoat that > will assuage peoples objections. The SCA insurance does not cover injury. > If anybody gets injured during an SCA activity, they must rely on their own > insurance. The SCA insurance is mostly for property damage caused by the > activities of the event, although we all know that it has other uses for > protecting the corporation. > > What if they sue, you ask? Well, (speaking as a teacher and not a lawyer > here) I'm pretty sure that the courts have set clear guidelines on that > one. The courts have regularly held that certain sporting activities have > inherent dangers and that participating in the activity restricts (or > completely negates) your ability to sue over injury. We use the waivers as > proof that the parties involved knew that it was possibly dangerous. > > So, here's the short version. > A demo is covered by insurance, but the rules say we can't put people in > armour or let them try it out until they come to a practice or event. > > > Whew... > > Murdoch, the guy who is almost done and won't have to answer these type of > questions any more. > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 15:48:02 -0600 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] When can new people play? > To: [log in to unmask] > > Well, we don’t let people ride horses without proper forms and procedures, > regardless of whether it’s a “regular” event or a demo (or anything else), > but I don’t think this is in line with your question (I just wanted a > clarification concerning horses – we don’t do pony rides). I’ll let someone > else respond to the question of what makes an event “official”. ;] > > > > > > Eringlin > > > > > > > > *From:* Clayton Neff [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* Monday, November 03, 2014 3:14 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* [CALONTIR] When can new people play? > > > > I am confused about when an event is not really an event. > > It is my understanding that all SCA gatherings that expect to be covered > by the SCA insurance are considered "events" and require signed waivers for > all participants. This includes wars, tournaments, practices, A&S events, > everything. > > Is that correct? > > If so, what about demos? Again, it is my understanding that these are > "events" and all participants must have a signed waiver. But I have heard > from several different sources that we absolutely CAN NOT let any people at > demos sign a waiver and try our activities out, because INSURANCE. > > Is that correct? > > If so, then how do we get away with letting people try stuff at other > events? Is there some magic wand we have to waive that I am unaware of? Is > there something we aren't doing at demos that we are doing at all other > events that makes letting someone shoot archery or ride a horse be covered > by the insurance? > > Or are we perpetuating a well meaning myth? Or are demos not events, so > they aren't covered by the insurance? Can someone with better knowledge of > / access to the rules attempt to explain this to my poor brain? > > Please note that I am NOT pointing any fingers at people for not allowing > new folks to participate. I firmly believe that everyone is trying to > follow the rules at laid down by corporate to the best of their abilities. > I am just confused as to what those rules are and why the are interpreted > they way they are. > > Thanks. > > -- Logan -- > > -- Manage your subscription at http://listserv.unl.edu. listserv.unl.edu > lists do not accept incoming email from Yahoo.com, AOL.com or Dropbox.com > due to their DMARC policies. > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4189/8459 - Release Date: 10/26/14 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > -- Manage your subscription at http://listserv.unl.edu. listserv.unl.edu > lists do not accept incoming email from Yahoo.com, AOL.com or Dropbox.com > due to their DMARC policies. > -- Manage your subscription at http://listserv.unl.edu. listserv.unl.edu > lists do not accept incoming email from Yahoo.com, AOL.com or Dropbox.com > due to their DMARC policies. -- Manage your subscription at http://listserv.unl.edu. listserv.unl.edu lists do not accept incoming email from Yahoo.com, AOL.com or Dropbox.com due to their DMARC policies.