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Sokhatai Saikhan
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On Dec 4, 2014 8:11 PM, "Patrick Anderson" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Maria,
>
> With all due respect, you may want to sign your posts.
>
> Who are you? (I mean that. I don't know your modern name. )
>
> Gabriel
>
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> Patrick Anderson
>
> Sent from a phone.
> Please forgive spelling mistakes.
>
> On Dec 4, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Maria Geeslin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> So I never ever comment on these things...  this one and only time I can't
> help myself. If everyone is really entitled to their opinions on this list
> lets see what happens. These are just random things I've been saying in my
> head whilst reading this thread today and are not, in any way, meant to
> offend anyone.
>
> I'm sorry but SCA armored combat is not on the same historical accuracy
> plane as other medieval re-enactment groups. In fact, stick tag and kidney
> belts are quite a joke to other groups. Not necessarily defending that
> opinion.... just mentioning it. However I feel that other re-enactment
> groups put in just as much passion, dedication, skill, and historical
> accuracy.
>
> Earning a peerage for service is also not the same thing as armored
> combat, yet we have a peerage for service.
>
> How long has archery been around in the SCA? And how long does it take to
> the "earn the right" to have it's own peerage? I understand where Stefan is
> coming from. These activities have been ignored for a very long time.
> Sometimes you have to kick start change and let it snow ball... peerage for
> cut and thrust... ok, next is a peerage for archery/missile weapons.
>
> Cut and thrust possesses just as much potential for technical skill,
> legitimate historical accuracy, and work as heavy combat does. (not that it
> really matters but, I've done both)
>
> There are a number of people on this thread that speak of ignoring other
> groups... well it seems to me that people will be ignored which ever way
> this proposal swings.
>
> As far as "earning the right".... just because something came along first
> does not, in any way, mean it automatically has a "right". Nor does that
> mean it has the right to judge whether others have that same right.
>
> Calontir is so reluctant to change. No offense but, I believe that one day
> this will be it's undoing. You can't play like it's 1986 anymore
> (recruitment numbers have kinda proved that). Change happens and sometimes
> when you look at the bigger picture, it's for the better. Just because we
> re-enact the past does not mean we can't take steps foward to better this
> kingdom's future.
>
> Judging by the number of one sided posts, mostly made by those who have
> either been in the SCA a long time or are/were peers themselves, people
> sound threatened by this change. It looks like some seem to feel that their
> worth in this kingdom will be diminished by adding a peerage.
>
> I don't see anything wrong with archery, equestrian, and cut and thrust
> having peerage... you want to compartmentalize people? ok.. do it right. I
> feel there's nothing wrong with everyone getting in on this pie. Or just
> have one peerage that covers everything. Frankly there's already quite a
> lot of disorganization and it's not about to clear itself up anytime soon.
>
> I, and others I know, find that this
> SCA-bureaucratic-I-want-to-put-everyone-in-their-place and
> this-is-the-way-its-always-been mentalities are black cancers spreading
> throughout this kingdom and organization. It has driven away many great
> people, who did and could have further contributed great things to this
> organization. I find that to be more detrimental to this kingdom than 100
> peerages.
>
> This is a hobby folks, something everyone is supposed to have fun with....
> remember.
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2014 5:26 PM, "Rex Deaver" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I am an archer, a Boga Fyrd, and a C&T fighter. I have been an armored
> fighter in years past. Armored combat is at the very foundation of the SCA,
> and is the First Peerage. Non-armored combat is not the same thing, not on
> the same plane historically either in the SCA or in the real world. Among
> non-armored martial arts, there is no valid reason for elevating rapier
> above archery and equestrian. They should all be elevated equally, as they
> earn that right.
>
> Mathurin
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Stefan li Rous <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> But elevating hitting people with wooden sticks above archery and
>> equestrian is not a slap in the face of those folks?
>>
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