Hi Allison, I'll take a stab at this, with the caveat that this is a conversation best done in person and that there is a lot of history involved and that these are my PERSONAL opinions (not indicative of any group or organization within the SCA, Calontir, etc, etc, etc). The arguments are many varied depending on who you talk to. For me, the strongest question/argument I have is: Why does rapier need a peerage when equestrians and archers, also martial activities, don't have one? What makes rapier different from other studies/activities such that it deserves its own peerage? As it stands, recognition at the Peerage level is granted under Arts and Sciences (the art of fighting, the science of warfare, etc). You become a rapier laurel, equivalent to an equestrian laurel or archer laurel or costuming laurel or cooking laurel. And, Calontir has the shortest history with accepted Cut and Thrust (the form of Rapier allowed in Calontir) combat. There is a lot of Historic Baggage (TM) that comes with any such discussion. Ask around at practice, learn from those who were there and remember legends grow. YIS, YMMV, Amba On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Allison of Forgotten Sea < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I haven't been around for long enough to form my own basic opinion "for" > or "against" the 4th, 5th, or 27th peerage. I was just wondering if anyone > would like to enlighten me with your opinion or stance on the matter. I > hear a lot of people say they are against a 4th peerage, especially in > Calontir, yet not a lot of meat to the opinion, if any explanation at all. > I would really appreciate it - and hopefully this doesn't start a horrible > argument. > > Thanks! > > Lady Allison of Forgotten Sea > > -- > Manage your subscription at http://listserv.unl.edu. > listserv.unl.edu lists do not accept incoming email from Yahoo.com, > AOL.com or Dropbox.com due to their DMARC policies. > -- Manage your subscription at http://listserv.unl.edu. listserv.unl.edu lists do not accept incoming email from Yahoo.com, AOL.com or Dropbox.com due to their DMARC policies.