I agree with Frank completely. What idiot thought this up and what rational is behind it?  Are they trying to discourage students or independent naturalists from engaging in studies that require them to collect specimens?  How long is the permit effective?  Does one have to include exactly how many of each species they intend to collect?  Can one collect serendipitous specimens that happen to also get swept into the net or immersed in the water pan traps?  Unfortunately my insects are too small to be determined prior to collecting them in the field and must be taken back to the lab and identified under a high resolution dissecting scope. Often times my collecting is exploratory in nature - I'm trying to determine just what does occur in various habits.  Heaven forbid, I may collect a specimen that's not on my list. 
 Does this also include PCA's collecting insects on their customers properties?  Or PCO's collecting specimens from their clients to have them identified by a county entomologist?  You can see how ridiculous this can get. 

This development is very disappointing and I hope saner minds will realize that this is not rationally enforceable for invertebrates. 

Norman J. Smith, PhD. 
Retired  (but still active) Entomologist. 

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On Feb 19, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Frank T. Krell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I wonder what the rationale behind such a permitting policy is. Even students need such a permit and can apply for a student permit if they are required by an instructor to collect specimens.


“Any resident or nonresident student in a school of collegiate level, who is required by an instructor or graduate supervisor in wildlife research to collect specimens used in laboratory work or research.”


So what about students who *want* to collect insects for their own collection without being forced by a third party? I am thinking of most of us when we were young.

How are we supposed to connect kids to nature if collecting insects (or rocks in Colorado, for that purposes, or picking flowers, or mushrooms) is verboten? Why are we working so hard on killing all potential interest in nature in our kids by inventing so much red tape?





Dr Frank T. Krell

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From: Entomological Collections Network Listserve [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John M Heraty
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:58 PM
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Subject: collecting permits in the U.S. or Canada



Dear all,


I am interested in collecting data on any agencies in the U.S. that collect a fee for issuing collecting permits for terrestrial insects that are not protected or endangered. If so, how much do they charge? If you can please send me a value and link, I will collect the data and report back to the group. 


California Department of Fish and Wildlife in now enforcing a scientific collecting permit ($420) for the collection of any terrestrial native insect (invertebrate), including those that are not protected ( 


I am not interested in those agencies that issue permits but do not charge a fee (I know there are lots of those).


I would like to find out if there is anything similar to what CDFW is applying elsewhere.


Please respond to me individually.


Many thanks,


John Heraty


University of California 

Riverside, CA