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Thanks Linda. I remembered someone had commented on Twin Rocker. I'm using
300lb cold press. I wouldn't say the WN lifts paper but it does affect
sizing. But I don't have a lot of experience with masking fluids on other
papers to compare it to so that may just be the way it is.

Lore

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Linda Feltner <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Hi Lore:
>
> Here is a text version of the compilation I made from the ListServ, for my
> watercolor classes.
>
> There is a note about Twinrocker, I think Bruce Bartrug commented.
>
> Don't use masking fluid on Twinrocker hot press, especially Grafix
> Incredible White Mask, which lifted a significant layer of paper.  W&N was
> better but still lifted some paper.  Twinrocker is apparently working to
> correct or minimize this with their papers.
>
>
> Masking Fluid comments from GNSI Listserv REV 01-29-15
> Compiled by Linda M. Feltner
>
> Tips:
> • Keep the main bottle sealed airtight, and use smaller, sealable
> containers for dipping, such as prescription bottles, 35mm film canisters,
> craft store lidded containers.
> • Purchase a small bottle, because it is prone to drying in less than a
> year.
> • Brushes: Synthetic, clean ASAP, and keep separate from other brushes
> • Applying soap to the brush prior to dipping in masking fluid, allows
> easy clean up. (CP)
> • cleaning tips for Masquepen: see below.
>
> Applicators:
> • small, inexpensive, pointed brushes: Good
> • toothpicks sharpened with a blade: Good
> • Grafix Incredible Nib: Avoid
>
> Allergies: Some have reported allergy-like symptoms to these products, and
> added that Pebeo was a brand that they could tolerate, and still used it
> with ventilation.
>
> Winsor & Newton Colourless Masking Fluid:
> • Arches hot press: Good (CN)
> • Arches hot press 300#: Good (HB)
> • Arches cold press 140#: Good (LMF)
> • Fabriano Artistico cold press 140#: Good (LMF)
> • Strathmore Bristol 500 series (3 ply): Good. (AR)
>
> Winsor & Newton Art Masking Fluid (yellowish color)
> • Fabriano Artistico hot press: Fair, it has been known to lift up some
> (all?) surface sizing. (BB)
> • Twinrocker hot press: Questionable. Better than Graphix Incredible mask,
> but still lifted some paper (BB)
> • Strathmore 500 watercolor paper, older version hot press: Good (HB2)
>
> Shiva Masking Fluid
> Arches hot press 300#, pre-painted with W&N watercolor: OK, picked up a
> small amount of paint. (PS)
>
> Grafix Incredible White Mask:
> • Twinrocker hot press: AVOID (lifted significant amount of paper)(BB)
> (Twinrocker said they were working on that issue.)
> • Strathmore Bristol 500 (3 or 4 ply): Good (CP)
> • Fabriano Artistico 90# or 140# hot press: OK (CP)
>
> Pebeo:
> • Fabriano Artistico: Good (KG)
> • Arches: Some problems with sizing (KG)
>
> Masquepen Art Masking Fluid:
> •  Very difficult to clean fine applicators after first use. But botanical
> artists like it for cactus spines. (JAL)
> • Arches or Fabriano cold press, Strathmore Bristol Vellum: Good: Used to
> draw with, especially the fine applicator. Care needed in removing. Careful
> cleaning produces results, not storing upright (see instructions). (VW)
>
> Schmincke Masking Fluid:
> •Hot press watercolor paper: Good (RB-T)
>
> Rubber Cement:
> • Undesirable. Hard to see, toxic stinky (KG, BB)
> • Stonehenge drawing paper: Good, thinned with Bestine Solvent (LK via PS)
>
>
>
> Masking Fluid comments from GNSI Listserv REV 01-29-15, page two.
> Compiled by Linda M. Feltner
>
>
>
> Linda M. Feltner, Carie Nixon, Kathleen Garness, Bruce Bartrug, Anne
> Runyon, Consie Powell, Holly Butlett, Hannah Bonner(HB2), Patricia Savage,
> Jo Ann Loza, Gail Guth, Linda Koffengerger,Vera Ming Wong, Rebecca
> Brown-Thompson
> ______________________________________________
> Carie Nixon:
> I have tried several different masking fluids and I have settled on the
> Windsor and Newton Colourless that you like.  I use it on Arches Hot Press
> Watercolor Paper.  I have a set of nice brushes that I only use with that,
> and clean them up ASAP.  I can get incredibly fine lines with it.  At
> first, I thought the W&N wasn't that good because it is so thin, buy now I
> appreciate it.  That is why I can get such good detail with it when I use a
> fine brush.
>
> Kathy Garness:
> Linda, I usually use Pebeo; it's grey so easy to see. I have to replace my
> bottle every year or so because it tends to break down and get gloppy but
> even then it's still usable. Other brands tend to harden up in the bottle
> over time. Since I don't use a lot of maskoid in my work it's nice for the
> product to last a while for me. I like it because I can leave it on more
> than 24 hours, even up to a few days, and it doesn't leave any color
> behind. The only drawback to Pebeo is that my local Dick Blick store is
> only stocking the W/N stuff (and in the large size!) now on the shelves so
> I have to order online.
>
> I have also used plain rubber cement but that's not quite as easy to use
> since it's hard to see once down, it smells terrible, and needs a solvent
> to thin when it gets old.
>
> Bruce Bartrug
> Winsor and Newton liquid mask works well on Fabriano Artistico hot press,
> but it does lift some (all?) of the surface sizing.  One can see a slight
> difference in the appearance of the paper at any rate after removing the
> mask.  I bought the regular masking fluid as the Colourless wasn't
> available at the local store.  It's slightly yellow now, not vivid pink.
>
> Don't use masking fluid on Twinrocker hot press, especially Grafix
> Incredible White Mask, which lifted a significant layer of paper.  W&N was
> better but still lifted some paper.  Twinrocker is apparently working to
> correct or minimize this with their papers.
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Lore Ruttan wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I remember there was a discussion about masking fluids in the last year or
> two but can't figure out how to access the archives.
>
> My question is whether anyone has suggestions for masking fluid for Twin
> Rocker watercolor paper. I've been using Windsor and Newton colorless
> masking fluid. It's not bad. It comes off, it doesn't discolor the paper
> but it does mess with the sizing. Anyone have a better suggestion?
>
> Thanks! Lore
>
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