I know that it is never palatable to increase the cost of the entrance fee, but at the same time I have never seen anything that I would consider foolhardy or wasteful spending at Lillies, It should be considered which would be worse, paying an extra 10 bucks a person or so or cutting back on things like tents for our A&S classes.  Personally I don't see how a person goes to Lillies without dropping 500 or so, and another 10 bucks, to me anyway, would mean less than losing tents that contribute to the overall experience.  But I am just guessing on an increase amount and that is just my opinion.  I will not be able to make it to 12th Night but I would hope that an increase at the gate is also discussed, we are cheaper than many other wars after all.

Alan Berylson

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Steve Boyd <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
At closing court of Lilies 2015, Master Rhodri announced attendance of 1056, ten below Calontir'smagic number. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Berylson
Sent: Dec 22, 2016 1:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Historical questions about Lillies.

  I believe year before last was a bit over 1100, Last year I understand it was considerably lower, partly because many of us went to 50 year and could not do both, and also it was a year with record high temperatures and many decided they could not deal with the temperatures, still like many events around the SCA attendance has dropped for whatever reason and the Lillies Committee is asking our input on how best to cope with it. We all thank them for being open about the situation and asking our input.

         Alan Berylson

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Charles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


Lonely Tower is a Barony in Calontir, here is their website As for the history of it there are more knowledgeable folks on that. I don't have the exact numbers but the attendance high for Lilies was around 1800 in 2007? and have lost 75 folks per year on average. A large part of 2016's attendance loss though was due to 50th yr but some of it I'm sure was still part of that downward decline. Others would be able to give better year by year attendance numbers.


The Barony of Lonely Tower is pleased to announce that our Twelfth Night Celebration for 2017 is happening on January the 7th, starting at 9am.

The Barony of Lonely Tower is pleased to announce that our Twelfth Night Celebration for 2017 is happening on January the 7th, starting at 9am.

From: Historical Recreation in the Kingdom of Calontir <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Stefan li Rous <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 7:24 PM
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Subject: [CALONTIR] Historical questions about Lillies.
I’m an outsider to your kingdom and have had the fortune to only get to one Lillies. I enjoyed it, although I found it rather hot. Unfortunately, until I get another kidney, I’m not likely to be able make another.

Anyway, Brendan’s comments raised a couple of questions for me, not having to do with the current subject of tents.

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Brendan Mac an tSaoir <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>  I know my first Lilies, Lonely Tower got together and built a bunch of stuff (beds, etc). It is one of my fonder memories, and I got stuff for camping at Lilies.

What is/was Lonely Tower? History? any stories?

> If we get the numbers back up, I think the budget will fix itself (with a lot of help from our talented Lilies Committee).

What have the numbers been? I take it, that the trend has been downwards recently. I think this has been true for Pennsic and Gulf Wars also, but neither do I have the numbers for those either.

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