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Hi Neil,

That sounds great, Neil. I would like to see what comes up from those
groups.

Thanks for this,

Adrian

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Neil Stanley Cobb <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Adrian,
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> I would also put your blog post on the iNaturalist forum and BugGuide
> photography forum as well as more specific insect groups if you wanted.
>
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>
> Neil
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> *From:* Adrian Thysse [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:00 PM
> *To:* Neil Stanley Cobb <[log in to unmask]>
> *Cc:* [log in to unmask]
>
> *Subject:* Re: data on insect photos
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone.
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>
> This is Adrian Thysse, the photographer Felix referred to at the beginning
> of this thread. Thanks very much for all the detailed responses. The blog
> post was aimed at amateur macro photographers who do not collect specimens
> but who have only the images. Sometimes images are submitted to
> entomologists, or requested by entomologists, so I thought it would be
> helpful if we had a system to provide additional, embedded information. As
> well, I think the possibility exists that some museums will be interested
> in receiving images as donations if they are of good quality and
> well-documented. I will be looking closely at all the examples and
> suggestions provided and possibly write a follow-up article that reflects
> the changes I will make when I begin labelling the images captured in the
> season ahead.
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> Thanks again,
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> Adrian
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> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Neil Stanley Cobb <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
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> The request was for feedback regarding “image file labelling and metadata
> use” prompts two issues, the file name used for the image and labels on
> the images. For images that are linked to a database record I encourage
> people to start the file name of the image with the DwC term catalogNumber
> <https://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/dwc:catalogNumber>, some people refer to it
> as the barcode, especially when the catalogNumber is embedded in an actual
> barcode.  Whether it is a specimen label with a 2D matrix barcode, and
> alphanumeric or both, this catalogNumber label should always be with the
> specimen.  I think this same catalogNumber should also put on the image.
> So, even if someone changed the file name, there is a good chance anyone
> that ended up with this image could trace it back to the owner. Even if you
> do decide to put a scientific name on the image (I would not recommend) you
> can find the current status of information regarding the specimen that was
> imaged (unless someone crops it out).  Below is a example of a good image
> and appropriate labelling.  It has a neutral gray background, a scale bar
> next the specimen and the file name (minus the extension) off in the lower
> corner.  Following the catalogNumber is an underscore that is followed by
> information regarding the image.  If someone takes 1,000s of images and
> each image file name starts with catalogNumber then we can do a batch
> upload into a database and create skeletal records that can be filled in
> later.  If your catalogNumber is unique enough (i.e. a nice alphanumeric
> that minimally include institution code) then it also satisfies Chris’s USI
> (Unique specimen identifier) criteria.
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> Although TDWG suggests that the catalogNumber be unique, unfortunately one
> of the examples they provide is a simple number.  I strongly encourage
> people to embed the institution and or collection code in the catalogNumber
> .  Ideally that institution code is that same one that is registered
> http://grbio.org/ .  Even if collections use their collection code or
> collections have different institutional codes (legacy and current) or
> collections within the same institution use different institution codes,
> you can probably trace the image back to the specimen owner.  GBIF and
> iDigBio typically do not serve private collection data but they can still
> register at http://grbio.org/ .
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> For images that do not reference a specimen, Sharon’s naming convention
> would be unique enough, but is there a photographer repository so that
> somebody could trace “Moth_Silverspotted-Douglasfir-2017-03-10-sjc-P0111”
> back to Sharon Collman?  Cleary that naming convention works for her own
> tracking, I am only thinking about that same image being copied and
> transferred several times and ends up on someone’s computer and they want
> to know where it originated from.
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> The coverage about metadata by Adrian was great, for example there are
> several programs that strip Exif data and we should provide better support
> to prevent people from accidently losing metadata.
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> [image:
> http://symbiota4.acis.ufl.edu/imglib/scan/ASU_ASUHIC/201508/ASUHIC0080647_habitus_dorsal_1440636913.jpg]
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> *From:* Entomological Collections Network Listserve [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Gil Nelson
> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 8:23 AM
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> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: data on insect photos
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> I would caution against using taxonomic info in image names. Taxonomic
> information changes, which may force you to rename or edit image names in
> the future. Much easier to dot that in a database. Hence, I agree with
> Chris. A file name that is a numeric or alpha-numeric  identifier that
> corresponds to a specimen and/or image record in a database and storing all
> pertinent info about the image or specimen in the database allows for easy
> searching and no need to ever edit image names.
>
> Gil
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> On 3/20/2017 11:01 AM, Christine Johnson wrote:
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> I have found that if you are trying to add images to a database where
> there is a database record for that specimen, the best file name to use is
> the USI (Unique specimen identifier) to that record. Otherwise bulk
> attaching images to correct records is difficult. But I guess this is only
> a good naming convention if that is where you intend to access your images
> (in a database with its database record).
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> Chris
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> Chris Andrea Johnson, Ph.D.
> <http://www.amnh.org/our-research/staff-directory/christine-johnson>
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> Curatorial Associate
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> American Museum of Natural History
> <http://www.amnh.org/our-research/invertebrate-zoology>
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> Division of Invertebrate Zoology
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> Central Park West at 79th Street
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> New York, NY 10024
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> (212) 769-5605
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> [log in to unmask]
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> *Collection Forum* <http://www.spnhc.org/20/collection-forum>
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> *Entomologica Americana* <http://www.bioone.org/loi/nynt.1>
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> *Journal of Negative Results - EEB* <http://jnr-eeb.org/index.php/jnr>
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> *From:* Entomological Collections Network Listserve [
> mailto:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Collman,
> Sharon J
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 19, 2017 2:52 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: data on insect photos
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>
> I worked out a naming convention that suits me but I'd love to be able to
> shorten the name files while still capturing the information.  Storing the
> files is basically like a file cabinet.
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> Naming convention
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> Starts with the *Host* for everything but the insects/arthropods or
> *insect* if it is an insect or arthropod
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> Host-pest-location-date (Year-MO-Da)-my initials or photographer-original
> number given by the camera.
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> Insect_Name-location-date-sjc-DSCN1011
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> Moth_Silverspotted-Douglasfir-2017-03-10-sjc-P0111.
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> Filing -
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> Insects
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>     Lepidoptera
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>         Silver_spotted Tiger
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> Plants
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>     Conifers
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>         Douglas fir
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>         Pine
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>         Yew
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>         etc
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>     Broadleaf
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>     Bulbs
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>     Groundcovers (includes grass)
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>         Turf
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> I'm sure there are wonderful new ways to do this so I'm looking forward to
> how others name photos and file them.
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> ------------
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> Chirps!!
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> Sharon J. Collman
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> Horticulture and IPM Educator
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> WSU Snohomish County Extension
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> 600 128th St SE, Everet, WA 98208
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> *From:* Entomological Collections Network Listserve [
> [log in to unmask]] on behalf of Felix Sperling [
> [log in to unmask]]
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:52 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* data on insect photos
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> Hello All,
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>
> A friend who is an accomplished photographer, Adrian Thysse, has just
> written a blog on the kinds of data that may be added to photos of
> specimens, with particular reference to insects:
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> *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
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> http://bugs.adrianthysse.com/2017/02/photographs-as-
> specimens-adding-value/
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__bugs.adrianthysse.com_2017_02_photographs-2Das-2Dspecimens-2Dadding-2Dvalue_%26d%3DDwMFAg%26c%3DC3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQb-Je7sw%26r%3Dd3ymsRow_Cgoc6X7lEPpDw%26m%3DylpmYzcAeYywvz43aEM7mGO7lLAGQoyxwzfGNVt5Jgs%26s%3DAvt-tIjUk3kDEy93cWsJXiFLA5abrTW9QnvosuqpNN0%26e%3D&data=01%7C01%7Ccjohnson%40amnh.org%7C74fc703de9b54ec0ef9d08d46ef92429%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=yPsC0NynR9obklKtvjkVBPxrIIMFN7DGu7ceFLJMdoM%3D&reserved=0>
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> He is especially interested to get feedback on his suggestions for a
> methodology for image file labelling and metadata use for photographers.
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> What are other people on the ECN list doing to label your image files?
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> -  Felix
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> Felix Sperling, Professor
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> Curator, Strickland Museum of Entomology
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> Department of Biological Sciences
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> University of Alberta
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> Edmonton, Alberta   T6G 2E9   Canada
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> Gil Nelson, PhD
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> Research Faculty
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> iDigBio Steering Committee
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> Integrated Digitized Biocollections
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> Institute for Digital Information and Scientific Communication
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> College of Communication and Information
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>  Courtesy Professor
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> Department of Biological Sciences
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> Robert K. Godfrey Herbarium
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> Florida State University
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> Adrian Thysse
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> "Splendor awaits in minute proportions."
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> E.O. Wilson
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-- 
Adrian Thysse

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