The Shire of al-Jafar in the Middle is named for one of the first people who lived there. He died before the group went full status, so the naming of the group doesn't have nearly the saga, but Jafar is another SCA person who should not be forgotten.

Congratulations to the shire on getting the name honoring someone worth remembering passed!


On Jun 22, 2017 7:12 PM, "Stefan li Rous" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Thank you!

I know of only one more SCA place that was named for a founder and that is the Barony of Rowany (I think that's it), named for the first Baroness and instrumental in getting the group going.

Lots of SCA names are based on unique local geography. This is the first time I've heard of a group going back and finding more documentation after the Heralds had turned something down, and getting the name they originally wanted, approved..

I hadn't realized it was actually an older group, rather then one in the throes of trying to get their first name through. 

The heralds and the name research *is* getting better through the years. My own barony, Bryn Gwlad, is supposed to be Welsh for "hill country" since we are on the edge of the Texas Hill Country, but it apparently means something like "land of the indeterminate hill". Registered around 1982, I believe.

PS: I'd love any more stories for Calontir group names that aren't in any of the three Florilegium placenames-msg file

On Jun 22, 2017, at 1:47 PM, Berry Canote <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Greetings Stefan,

The Shire is named for Amleth MacAuleth. He was the founder of the neighboring Shire of Standing Stones, perhaps the first SCA branch in Missouri. He passed a few years before our shire was founded so it was a way to ensure his name was not forgotten. Mor i.e. Moor describes much of the terrain around here.

The name was first submitted as Amleth Moor, but this was rejected by the College of Heralds for mixing English with Danish. As the shire was ready to become official and a name was needed the College suggested Amlesmore. That name was taken, and we went by that until last night when the new name was registered.

A resubmission of Amleth Moor was made a few years later, but it was again rejected on the same grounds. A few years passed when a couple of years ago I came up with the idea of putting the name fully in Old Norse/Danish thus Amlethsmor. This would negate the reason for rejection the first two times.

I documented as best I could. There were over ten pages of documentation. Even so the name would have been rejected on the grounds Amlethus was not a real person, but Lillia Pelican Emerita found a byname Amleth in Middle English and was able to document Amlethsmor.

Thus after nearly twenty years we have a form of the name the shire wanted. ☺

In Service,

On Jun 22, 2017 12:41 PM, "Stefan li Rous" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Can anyone tell me what the new name stands for and/or why it was selected?

Thanks. I'm always looking for the backgrounds and reasons for verious SCA place names, for the SCA-placenames-msg series of files in the Florilegium.


On Jun 21, 2017, at 11:24 PM, Berry Canote <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Greetings All!

With the release of the April 2017 Letter of Acceptances and Returns tonight, the Shire of Amlesmore (Amleth Moor) is now officially the Shire of Amlethsmor.

In Service,
Lord Hubert de Stockleye
Amlethsmor Seneschal
Herald at Large

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