Also the Thaddeus Harris Collection at the MCZ has often been used to designate Say neotypes because Say determined much of it. ________________________________________ From: Entomological Collections Network Listserve [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Neal Evenhuis [[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 4:13 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: An Annotated Inventory of the Weevils (Coleoptera: Curculionoidea) Described by Thomas Say This is an excellent paper and brings to the forefront the habits of the earlier entomologists who typically exchanged examples of their species (many specimens of which were syntypes) to colleagues. In Diptera, extant syntypes of Say material was recognized by both Meigen and Wiedemann who marked them in their works as having seen them in the collections in Europe they had borrowed or were under their curation. I would imagine more Say syntypes in other groups exist if they are sought out as Prens has done. Kudos to him for his work! Neal Neal L. Evenhuis, PhD. Senior Entomologist Bernice Pauahi Bishop Museum 1525 Bernice Street, Honolulu, HI 96817-2704 Office: (808) 848-4138 Fax: (808) 847-8252 BishopMuseum.org<www.bishopmuseum.org> On Stardate 3/15/18, 8:29 AM, Star-trooper "Entomological Collections Network Listserve on behalf of Robert Anderson" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> on behalf of [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: For many years it has been assumed that specimens from the Thomas Say collection were largely destroyed but a really nice just published review by Jens Prena shows that in fact many of Say’s types have resided unrecognized in European collections as a result of early exchanges he made with prominent European Naturalists. This is an excellent piece of “entomological sleuthing” and even if you’re not interested in weevils may have implications for your taxa if Say described species in your groups. Here is an abstract of the paper. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.bioone.org_doi_abs_10.3099_MCZ161-2D09.1&d=DwIGaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=-lUMCZ4RK28H4qvcd3vmEBuyVJHHG0OpDzFenR9wX-A&m=vASso9cxGAGrripATDLSdKMtb-_0jz3RvGy-oMjsajQ&s=wB9SjksYdS5haiaqzpIdIVwOEicVhknQjuvndSkIoJ4&e= Robert Anderson Director – Beaty Centre for Species Discovery Research and Collections Division Canadian Museum of Nature PO Box 3443, Station D Ottawa, ON. K1P 6P4 CANADA 613-364-4060 (tel) 613-364-4027 (fax) [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> www.nature.ca<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nature.ca_&d=DwMFAg&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=-lUMCZ4RK28H4qvcd3vmEBuyVJHHG0OpDzFenR9wX-A&m=QcF74Scm61Pqsi0Uj_jQrF-Mjuy3AgxLktl5ZkcGT6U&s=ImolR3-UkS_4YDoflicBfYEyYrWZXHEn5lF4QaCbpBg&e=> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sites.google.com_site_longinollama_&d=DwIGaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=-lUMCZ4RK28H4qvcd3vmEBuyVJHHG0OpDzFenR9wX-A&m=vASso9cxGAGrripATDLSdKMtb-_0jz3RvGy-oMjsajQ&s=FVrQpotf4Xsh99pbkJcXedb_P-QknEajAEtKtCcDJvs&e=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sites.google.com_site_longinollama_&d=DwMFAg&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=-lUMCZ4RK28H4qvcd3vmEBuyVJHHG0OpDzFenR9wX-A&m=QcF74Scm61Pqsi0Uj_jQrF-Mjuy3AgxLktl5ZkcGT6U&s=EAy0jN6AxDJ7t7WVuZZc92kK3jZtGCtqT-S5yBpxub0&e=> ________________________________ This message is only intended for the addressee named above. Its contents may be privileged or otherwise protected. Any unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this message or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify us immediately by reply mail or by collect telephone call. Any personal opinions expressed in this message do not necessarily represent the views of the Bishop Museum.