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I saw Say specimens in the Breme collection in Turin years ago.


Mike


On 3/15/2018 1:49 PM, James Kenneth Liebherr wrote:
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> Hi Bob,
>
> I should think weevil experts at the European collections were making 
> the exchanges, whereas other families were not so lucky as to have 
> European lifeboats. I'm sure Lindroth would have seen Say carabid 
> material in Stockholm, for example. However Halle and Berlin would 
> have been harder for him to get to, though easier for him than for a 
> north american during the 1960's. Nonetheless Fritz Hieke would have 
> noticed any such specimens in the Berlin Museum. At any rate, Neotypes 
> designated by Carl Lindroth and Rick Freytag (1969 Psyche 76(3): 
> 326-361) solved the issue for Say's carabids.
>
> Thanks for the reference.
>
> Jim
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> *Subject:* An Annotated Inventory of the Weevils (Coleoptera: 
> Curculionoidea) Described by Thomas Say
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> For many years it has been assumed that specimens from the Thomas Say 
> collection were largely destroyed but a really nice just published 
> review by Jens Prena shows that in fact many of Say’s types have 
> resided unrecognized in European collections as a result of early 
> exchanges he made with prominent European Naturalists. This is an 
> excellent piece of “entomological sleuthing” and even if you’re not 
> interested in weevils may have implications for your taxa if Say 
> described species in your groups.
>
> Here is an abstract of the paper. 
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