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Hi Gretchen,

Thanks for the explanation. I'm glad to know that there are other good
venues in which to discuss this topic and use actual numbers. The "price
guessing" exhibit idea is brilliant! I'd love to see that make a comeback.

(and lol at "2c... or 2$?)

Kelly

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 8:45 AM Gretchen Halpert <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Kelly,
>
> It’s because the GNSI is a non-profit organization and discussing actual
> numbers would be collusion or price fixing.
>
> For several years, we had a “price guessing” exhibit at the GNSI
> conference, where price, usage, etc etc accompanied artwork. It was a good
> way to see what types of illustrations were “worth” and how the fee varied
> according to experience, client and location. I think Trudy Nicholson set
> this up.
>
> There are fee discussions in the archives of this listserv; you can peruse
> them any time. Britt Griswold has written good formulas for figuring out
> what to charge—archived on the listserv. I share these discussions, an old
> blog on Paul Mirocha’s website, and my own formulas with my Distance
> Program students. Pricing can, and should be, discussed in the appropriate
> venues.
>
> My 2c ( or 2$?),
>
> Gretchen
>
>
>
>
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> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:23 AM, Kelly Finan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Congratulations on your first gig, Stephen! I agree that the GAG handbook
> is a great reference.
>
> There's probably an obvious and very reasonable answer for this, but why
> aren't we allowed to discuss specific prices on the list serve? When I was
> in school for science illustration we never mentioned actual numbers, which
> was pretty damaging to my business because it's taken the better part of
> ten years for me to figure out how much to charge. And I occasionally
> encounter other science illustrators who barely scrape by because they
> charge half of what I do, which really isn't helping anyone. Is it just a
> taboo subject, or are we worried about price fixing?
>
> Kelly
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:45 PM Gretchen Halpert <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>> We are not allowed to talk specific prices on this listserv.  One very
>> good reference is the Graphic Artists Guild Guide to Pricing and Ethical
>> Guidelines. It gives fee ranges for everything from spot illustrations to
>> full color covers. Also contracts and usage fees.
>>
>> If you’re just starting out, keep track of all the time you spend on a
>> project, from research to rendering, so you can more easily estimate future
>> jobs. (“This job will take me #X hours; I want to make X$/hour...).
>>
>> Congratulations on this job!
>>
>> Gretchen
>>
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>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Stephen Nachtsheim <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Hi All!
>>
>> After the conference, my boss asked me to do some illustrations for a
>> paper he is publishing on a new insect species. This would be my first real
>> scientific illustration job, and I’m not sure how to price it! He gave me
>> suggestions, but he said I should look myself as well. As you can guess,
>> the internet hasn’t been super helpful in how to price scientific
>> illustrations. So I thought I would ask the experts! It would be just two
>> images of an epiproct and an aedeagus.
>>
>> It would just be a pen and ink / stippling illustration.
>>
>> He recommended from $150 - $200 for Both. Is that a good amount?
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Stephen Nachtsheim
>>
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