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Gail, Question: have you turned the text into outlines? When you turn text into shapes it makes scaling much easier - and actaully the only what I know to scale text. Good luck. Marj Leggitt Design 303.394.0566 [log in to unmask] See my Flora of North America botanicals at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__beta.floranorthamerica.org_&d=DwIFAg&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=AGYZ7-AeerjxzYnIwL-lBLFI3SPYN3BDmku4qGQB4Tg&m=r7kac62cYiGpYS2Q79gHkA0jp166NG0IHZNB6IgfdeA&s=AErwId-WlMlLiDMN1rBoc2ho9_i-uJ4_gjt88_pHjgc&e= Follow me on Instagram | @mcleggitt <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.instagram.com_mcleggitt_&d=DwIFAg&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=AGYZ7-AeerjxzYnIwL-lBLFI3SPYN3BDmku4qGQB4Tg&m=r7kac62cYiGpYS2Q79gHkA0jp166NG0IHZNB6IgfdeA&s=BEf38msHguW-R_m98pSftDVg5xy4cNZHPvGF0nwkGWk&e= > Website | science-art.com/leggitt LinkedIn | linkedin.com/in/marjorieleggitt Instructor | School of Botanical Art & Illustration, Denver Botanic Gardens Instructor | Bluprint.com On Jan 17, 2020, at 6:18 PM, Karen Ackoff <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Gail, to my knowledge, text wrap is specified and is not scalable. I could be wrong. If it's just an object or two, you'll need to reset the text wrap. The way around this would be to leave the Illustrator file as is - do not scale anything. The make a scaled down PDF. Go to PRINT, and SAVE AS PDF. Then set the percent you want to reduce the size to. Then everything should be scaled and it's easy peasy. K On January 17, 2020 at 5:05 PM, Gail Guth <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi, Illustrator Gurus - > I've been working in Illustrator CC (latest and greatest) on an exhibit panel that's 3'w x 4'h. One element has a text wrap around a photo. When I tried to copy all and reduce the size to send a proof to my client, the text wrap margin stayed large and threw off the text flow. > > What causes this and how do I fix it? > > thanks, > Gail > > who is on a Mac, if that helps. > > > -- > Gail Guth > Guth Illustration & Design > 139 Lathrop Avenue > Battle Creek, MI 49014-5076 > 269-963-1311 > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.guthillustration.com&d=DwIFAg&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=AGYZ7-AeerjxzYnIwL-lBLFI3SPYN3BDmku4qGQB4Tg&m=r7kac62cYiGpYS2Q79gHkA0jp166NG0IHZNB6IgfdeA&s=3qtwX8pVXLL74AZlDPGPniAQRYsPN6BAL7Lp7teJi8Y&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.guthillustration.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=AGYZ7-AeerjxzYnIwL-lBLFI3SPYN3BDmku4qGQB4Tg&m=l0jkT6bPS-BzKaeJjkf-CHsE0MFR22fRXFNkYzdkXv0&s=LRFTQ52sDpkh2zEomp71crg2hgy-7Nk4grGsj_MNGUk&e=> > > ________________________________________________ > > Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the instructions at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.gnsi.org_listserv&d=DwIFAg&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=AGYZ7-AeerjxzYnIwL-lBLFI3SPYN3BDmku4qGQB4Tg&m=r7kac62cYiGpYS2Q79gHkA0jp166NG0IHZNB6IgfdeA&s=HENT18DV0PDdyptplsnGoE4cU6r9ydImYhUjZFvS3vo&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.gnsi.org_listserv&d=DwMFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=AGYZ7-AeerjxzYnIwL-lBLFI3SPYN3BDmku4qGQB4Tg&m=Mse5yqO9UTJhhC2nWTH527PtCjIOpdVorteWESNe_Ng&s=U7aFWVXntO5Aj8fVioyjfOtSILZ8sC0dK7lZbVCuFdc&e=>List name is Sciart-L > Problems: Email Lana Johnson at [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ________________________________________________ Need to leave or subscribe to the Sciart-L listserv? Follow the instructions at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.gnsi.org_listserv&d=DwIFAg&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=AGYZ7-AeerjxzYnIwL-lBLFI3SPYN3BDmku4qGQB4Tg&m=r7kac62cYiGpYS2Q79gHkA0jp166NG0IHZNB6IgfdeA&s=HENT18DV0PDdyptplsnGoE4cU6r9ydImYhUjZFvS3vo&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.gnsi.org_listserv&d=DwIFAg&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=AGYZ7-AeerjxzYnIwL-lBLFI3SPYN3BDmku4qGQB4Tg&m=r7kac62cYiGpYS2Q79gHkA0jp166NG0IHZNB6IgfdeA&s=HENT18DV0PDdyptplsnGoE4cU6r9ydImYhUjZFvS3vo&e= >List name is Sciart-L Problems: Email Lana Johnson at [log in to unmask] Instructions to subscribe or leave the list are at https://www.gnsi.org/listserv List name is Sciart-L Problems: Email Lana Johnson at [log in to unmask]