I've just started using IVcam with my samsung 8 phone and its got lovely quality. Pro Version with no ads is $10 Took a bit to get everything talking but once connected was very easy to use.  I like the idea of pre-recording some on my demos and that's the next experiment as I'm not sure what editing tool I'll need.

Liz

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:36 PM Griswold, Britt (GSFC-279.0)[LUSA Associates] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

You can do live streaming with a more recent Rebel:

https://www.lightscameralive.com/blog/how-to-use-a-dslr-camera-to-make-your-live-video-magical

 

But any of the rebels can record a video that you can put on your computer to play later during your live stream. Older Rebels (t3?) only record 1280 x 720. Newer ones are full HD2.

 

Britt

 

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Have any of you all used a DSLR for taking videos? Since I can take video with my Canon Rebel, it just seems like a no brainer to try that out first.  Pros? Cons?

Cheers,
Patricia Savage

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On 5/6/20 1:23 PM, Lore Ruttan wrote:

I have the IPEVO V4k. Britt and I are going to check it out tomorrow afternoon on Zoom if anyone else wants to join.

 

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 1:04 PM Dorie Petrochko <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Is it San Elmo doc camera?

 

On Wed, May 6, 2020, 12:29 PM Lore Ruttan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Btw, if anyone wants to see what the doc camera image looks like, feel free to post me privately and we can set up a zoom. 

Lore

 

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:27 PM gretchen halpert <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Kathy,

 

I'll try it with my camcorder and with my husband's iPhone, which is newer than mine, see what I find and report back. I will use the same set-up I do for filming, which is setting the camera on a boom attached to my tripod. This allows overhead filming/viewing and no movement vibrations. I control my camcorder with my iPad or iPhone, via Bluetooth, for zooming in and out without having to touch the camera, so there is no shake. Good lighting is crucial.

 

As more artists are teaching online, options for products and process for doing it well and affordably will explode.

 

Sincerely,

Gretchen

 

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Scientific Illustration Distance Program

www.gretchenhalpert.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:22 PM Kathleen McKeehen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Gretchen,

That's the issue I've worried about too, and what kept me going back and forth between the various options and opinions on them.  But I've seen live demos using a good smart phone, and the clarity and sharpness was definitely sufficient. (The B&H guys said that there is a quality difference in various smart phones, and the good ones have excellent lenses in them that are up to the task.)  The instructor/friend was new to the online format, and struggled with it initially, but once she got good lighting and attached the phone to a tripod, not a clamp attached to the table she was working on (the slightest jiggle as she did the demo made it difficult to see clearly) the closeups allow students to see the live demo better than in the regular classroom. If the smart phone was an option for me, I'd probably go with one of those. I've also worked with a "Ladybug" device in our botanical group's workshops, and that also allows for good viewing of the demo; I'm still investigating whether that device can be linked up to Zoom, which is the format I'll be using at Gage. If the smart phone was an option for me, I'd probably go with it, but it isn't. I'm also hoping to do filmed tutorials, but really hoping to make the live demos work, too--will see when devices arrive this summer!

Kathy

 

 


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Marj,

 

Are you finding your webcam is sharp enough for demonstrations like Kathy wants to do? My experience when I started teaching online was that live demonstrations were not sharp enough, and that the resolution varied according to students' equipment. I resolved this by making demonstration tutorials with a good quality video camera. Equipment has improved since I starting teaching online in 2014, but even with my Logitech camera, which I use instead of my build-in desktop camera, and the Sony camcorder I made videos with, students may not see live demonstrations sharply with their laptops.

 

I'd love to be able to show live demonstrations as clearly as a recorded tutorial.

 

Best,

Gretchen

 

Gretchen Halpert
Illustrator/educator

Scientific Illustration Distance Program

 

 

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Marjorie Leggitt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Karen. 

In Zoom, to access the camera and items on your desktop use the ”share“ button on the lower tool bar. This opens 2 levels of sharing capabilities. Desktop items are available through the normal share function and live stream camera is accessed through the advance share function. 

 

Marj

Leggitt Design

303.394.0566

 

On May 3, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Karen Ackoff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

That’s great to know, Marj. Ecocam definitely sounds like it’s worth checking out. I assume you toggle cameras under the little camera icon at the bottom-left of the Zoom window? 

K

 

On May 3, 2020, at 10:23 PM, Marjorie Leggitt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 

Hi all. 

The last few weeks I’ve been teaching online using Zoom. 

 

Yes you can toggle between the computer camera on your face and another camera on your work.

 

I’m using the free version of Ecocam to turn my iPhone camera into a webcam. (It’s fine for what I’m doing but the “pay-for” version has focusing capabilities, etc.) I toggle back and forth between the camera showing me taking, the webcam showing me working, and jpgs of my students work in PS which I critique and on which I do live “mark ups” using my Wacom tablet. It’s quite a versatile space!

 

Marj

Leggitt Design

303.394.0566

 

On May 3, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Karen Ackoff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I’m interested in this as well… I’m wondering, can you switch between cameras on the fly within Zoom? So you would have one camera (the computer’s built-in camera) focused on your face, and then switch to a camera focused on your work table. 

I’ve been coming at this from the audio end… as I’ve taken my classical guitar lessons online. And I’ve learned something that may help with Zoom broadcasts in general… Once Zoom is open, go to Zoom preferences and click on the Advanced button. Under Audio, turn off (disable) suppression (there are two instances). This eliminates latency. So you hear things as they occur, not a second or two later. For music, this is an issue. Also disabling suppression means that Zoom does not try to decide who is talking over who, muting one of them. So two people can talk, or in my case, two people can play guitar at the same time and both guitars are heard.

 

I’ve decided, after a bit of research, that $350 of equipment does not improve the audio enough to make it worth it. Though I can say a modest cardioid condenser mic helps a lot, eliminating background noise (except maybe not screaming cockatoos), depending on the gain setting. I use a Blue Yeti microphone that my guitar teacher calls R2D2 (it’s a bit big). 

 

Thanks, Britt. I’ll be watching the links you provided with great interest.

 

Karen

 

 

 

On May 3, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Griswold, Britt (GSFC-279.0)[LUSA Associates] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 

Some of the issues to think about for webcams in a demonstration video:

 

Very interesting product here if you want higher end webcam result:

 

Britt

 

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Like many other GNSI members, my teaching gig has moved to online instruction, and the school hopes to continue offering this option even if/when things return to "normal." So it's a format for teaching I'd like to work with. From the online classes I've observed,  instructors utilize two cameras--the one on their monitor, as they speak to their students face on, or perhaps hold something up for viewing, and another of some sort that can show the demonstration of techniques, which is usually rigged with tripod or other device to shoot from above. As I'm teaching botanical painting and drawing, I need something that will show closeups with sharp detail--my "big" brush is a #3, and I am often using a #2 WN mini. So it's essential that whatever is being used here can zoom in closely and clearly, and feed into the Zoom program easily. 

 

According to my research so far, many people use a smart phone for this "camera". For various reasons that's not a good option for me. Others seem to use web cams or cameras, and reports seem to contradict one another on the efficacy of these. Web cams appear to work nicely for interfacing with Zoom, though it seems like there's some issue with whether one is using a Mac or a PC as to how well various brands work. Also I can't seem to get a consensus on which models would be up to the task of showing detailed work crisply and clearly enough. Others like to use cameras; again, no consensus on which types or models would work best for this task.

 

The other issue is availability--it looks like most of the webcam options at least wouldn't arrive until mid-summer; since I won't be teaching until fall quarter, this would still work for me, but it does make it a little dicier, as I may not have the option of buying, trying, and returning a product that doesn't work well for my purposes with sufficient time to try another. So I'd like to be as sure as possible of what I'm ordering now.  Any specific recommendations?

 

Thanks!

Kathy McKeehen

 

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