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Hi Mali,

I'm glad you found the zoom! Adjusting the arm physically is the only way
to zoom. Normally, I don't touch any of the settings on the camera, it
seems to do quite well with autofocus.

I forgot to mention that there is also software made for the camera that
could be useful if doing a recording rather than a live session. I haven't
used it but it seems to have lots of features.

Cheers, Lore

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:15 PM mali moir <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> HI Lore,
> I found your zoom recording, thank you so much for setting that up so we
> can see.
> The doc cam was very clear and close up I thought worked real well.
> Because the setting buttons are on the camera part itself... if you are
> touching the knobs to adjust settings, does that wobble the camera?
> When zooming in crosier to the page ... is adjusting the arm physically
> the only option? or is there a digital way of zooming closer to the page?
>
> It was great to see and hear everyone. My live online classes on Zoom seem
> to be doing much the same as others, that was good to hear.
>
> Thanks again for all this, it is much appreciated.
> Mali
>
> Mali Moir - Artist Melbourne Australia
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> *From:* mali moir <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Friday, 8 May 2020 9:56 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: [SCIART] [EXTERNAL] [SCIART] Equipment for online teaching
> with Zoom
>
> Hi Lore,
> I am wondering how the IPEVO V4k went in the zoom test? what did people
> think? I am in Australia and couldn't make your appt.
> Did you happen to record it? if so where can I see it.
>
> I am not very tech savvy, had trouble working out EpocCam ... now thinking
> of buying IPEVO V4k from Listserve recommendation.
>
> At the moment I am using Mac laptop plus my iPad in zoom art classes. So I
> login as 2 people so to speak, my face (laptop) on one screen and my demo
> (iPad) on another screen. My iPad is not very clear/sharp. I thought
> EpocCam could help with that but just cannot work out how to set it up ...
> even with reading sites and watching videos....
>
> thanks so much for everyones opinions and offers of suggestions
> it is a great help and yes GNSI are a wonderful and generous group!
> Mali
>
> Mali Moir - Artist Melbourne Australia
> T: 0422 575 034  E: [log in to unmask]
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> *From:* SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- <
> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Lore Ruttan <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 7 May 2020 3:23 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: [SCIART] [EXTERNAL] [SCIART] Equipment for online teaching
> with Zoom
>
> I have the IPEVO V4k. Britt and I are going to check it out tomorrow
> afternoon on Zoom if anyone else wants to join.
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 1:04 PM Dorie Petrochko <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Is it San Elmo doc camera?
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2020, 12:29 PM Lore Ruttan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Btw, if anyone wants to see what the doc camera image looks like, feel
> free to post me privately and we can set up a zoom.
> Lore
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:27 PM gretchen halpert <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Kathy,
>
> I'll try it with my camcorder and with my husband's iPhone, which is newer
> than mine, see what I find and report back. I will use the same set-up I do
> for filming, which is setting the camera on a boom attached to my tripod.
> This allows overhead filming/viewing and no movement vibrations. I control
> my camcorder with my iPad or iPhone, via Bluetooth, for zooming in and out
> without having to touch the camera, so there is no shake. Good lighting is
> crucial.
>
> As more artists are teaching online, options for products and process for
> doing it *well *and affordably will explode*.*
>
> Sincerely,
> Gretchen
>
> Gretchen Halpert
> Illustrator/educator
> Scientific Illustration Distance Program
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> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:22 PM Kathleen McKeehen <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
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> Gretchen,
> That's the issue I've worried about too, and what kept me going back and
> forth between the various options and opinions on them.  But I've seen live
> demos using a good smart phone, and the clarity and sharpness was
> definitely sufficient. (The B&H guys said that there is a quality
> difference in various smart phones, and the good ones have excellent lenses
> in them that are up to the task.)  The instructor/friend was new to the
> online format, and struggled with it initially, but once she got good
> lighting and attached the phone to a tripod, not a clamp attached to the
> table she was working on (the slightest jiggle as she did the demo made it
> difficult to see clearly) the closeups allow students to see the live demo
> better than in the regular classroom. If the smart phone was an option for
> me, I'd probably go with one of those. I've also worked with a "Ladybug"
> device in our botanical group's workshops, and that also allows for good
> viewing of the demo; I'm still investigating whether that device can be
> linked up to Zoom, which is the format I'll be using at Gage. If the smart
> phone was an option for me, I'd probably go with it, but it isn't. I'm also
> hoping to do filmed tutorials, but really hoping to make the live demos
> work, too--will see when devices arrive this summer!
> Kathy
>
>
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> *From: *"gretchen halpert" <[log in to unmask]>
> *To: *"SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration" <
> [log in to unmask]>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:38:43 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [SCIART] [EXTERNAL] [SCIART] Equipment for online teaching
> with Zoom
>
> Marj,
>
> Are you finding your webcam is sharp enough for demonstrations like Kathy
> wants to do? My experience when I started teaching online was that live
> demonstrations were not sharp enough, and that the resolution varied
> according to students' equipment. I resolved this by making demonstration
> tutorials with a good quality video camera. Equipment has improved since I
> starting teaching online in 2014, but even with my Logitech camera, which I
> use instead of my build-in desktop camera, and the Sony camcorder I made
> videos with, students may not see live demonstrations sharply with their
> laptops.
>
> I'd love to be able to show live demonstrations as clearly as a recorded
> tutorial.
>
> Best,
> Gretchen
>
> Gretchen Halpert
> Illustrator/educator
> Scientific Illustration Distance Program
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> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Marjorie Leggitt <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen.
> In Zoom, to access the camera and items on your desktop use the ”share“
> button on the lower tool bar. This opens 2 levels of sharing capabilities.
> Desktop items are available through the normal share function and live
> stream camera is accessed through the advance share function.
>
> Marj
>
> Leggitt Design
> 303.394.0566
>
> On May 3, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Karen Ackoff <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> That’s great to know, Marj. Ecocam definitely sounds like it’s worth
> checking out. I assume you toggle cameras under the little camera icon at
> the bottom-left of the Zoom window?
> K
>
> On May 3, 2020, at 10:23 PM, Marjorie Leggitt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
> The last few weeks I’ve been teaching online using Zoom.
>
> Yes you can toggle between the computer camera on your face and another
> camera on your work.
>
> I’m using the free version of Ecocam to turn my iPhone camera into a
> webcam. (It’s fine for what I’m doing but the “pay-for” version has
> focusing capabilities, etc.) I toggle back and forth between the camera
> showing me taking, the webcam showing me working, and jpgs of my students
> work in PS which I critique and on which I do live “mark ups” using my
> Wacom tablet. It’s quite a versatile space!
>
> Marj
> Leggitt Design
> 303.394.0566
>
> On May 3, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Karen Ackoff <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I’m interested in this as well… I’m wondering, can you switch between
> cameras on the fly within Zoom? So you would have one camera (the
> computer’s built-in camera) focused on your face, and then switch to a
> camera focused on your work table.
> I’ve been coming at this from the audio end… as I’ve taken my classical
> guitar lessons online. And I’ve learned something that may help with Zoom
> broadcasts in general… Once Zoom is open, go to Zoom preferences and click
> on the Advanced button. Under Audio, turn off (disable) suppression (there
> are two instances). This eliminates latency. So you hear things as they
> occur, not a second or two later. For music, this is an issue. Also
> disabling suppression means that Zoom does not try to decide who is talking
> over who, muting one of them. So two people can talk, or in my case, two
> people can play guitar at the same time and both guitars are heard.
>
> I’ve decided, after a bit of research, that $350 of equipment does not
> improve the audio enough to make it worth it. Though I can say a modest
> cardioid condenser mic helps a lot, eliminating background noise (except
> maybe not screaming cockatoos), depending on the gain setting. I use a Blue
> Yeti microphone that my guitar teacher calls R2D2 (it’s a bit big).
>
> Thanks, Britt. I’ll be watching the links you provided with great interest.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> On May 3, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Griswold, Britt (GSFC-279.0)[LUSA Associates] <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Some of the issues to think about for webcams in a demonstration video:
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> Very interesting product here if you want higher end webcam result:
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> Britt
>
> *From: *SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- <
> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Kathleen McKeehen <
> [log in to unmask]>
> *Reply-To: *SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- <
> [log in to unmask]>
> *Date: *Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 1:47 PM
> *To: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] [SCIART] Equipment for online teaching with Zoom
>
> Like many other GNSI members, my teaching gig has moved to online
> instruction, and the school hopes to continue offering this option even
> if/when things return to "normal." So it's a format for teaching I'd like
> to work with. From the online classes I've observed,  instructors utilize
> two cameras--the one on their monitor, as they speak to their students face
> on, or perhaps hold something up for viewing, and another of some sort that
> can show the demonstration of techniques, which is usually rigged with
> tripod or other device to shoot from above. As I'm teaching botanical
> painting and drawing, I need something that will show closeups with sharp
> detail--my "big" brush is a #3, and I am often using a #2 WN mini. So it's
> essential that whatever is being used here can zoom in closely and clearly,
> and feed into the Zoom program easily.
>
> According to my research so far, many people use a smart phone for this
> "camera". For various reasons that's not a good option for me. Others seem
> to use web cams or cameras, and reports seem to contradict one another on
> the efficacy of these. Web cams appear to work nicely for interfacing with
> Zoom, though it seems like there's some issue with whether one is using a
> Mac or a PC as to how well various brands work. Also I can't seem to get a
> consensus on which models would be up to the task of showing detailed work
> crisply and clearly enough. Others like to use cameras; again, no consensus
> on which types or models would work best for this task.
>
> The other issue is availability--it looks like most of the webcam options
> at least wouldn't arrive until mid-summer; since I won't be teaching until
> fall quarter, this would still work for me, but it does make it a little
> dicier, as I may not have the option of buying, trying, and returning a
> product that doesn't work well for my purposes with sufficient time to try
> another. So I'd like to be as sure as possible of what I'm ordering now.
> Any specific recommendations?
>
> Thanks!
> Kathy McKeehen
>
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