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Thanks Britt. Mine is a T6. Will check out that link.

Cheers,
Patricia Savage

psavageart.com
919-438-6766

On 5/6/20 2:36 PM, Griswold, Britt (GSFC-279.0)[LUSA Associates] wrote:
>
> You can do live streaming with a more recent Rebel:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.lightscameralive.com_blog_how-2Dto-2Duse-2Da-2Ddslr-2Dcamera-2Dto-2Dmake-2Dyour-2Dlive-2Dvideo-2Dmagical&d=DwIDaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=AGYZ7-AeerjxzYnIwL-lBLFI3SPYN3BDmku4qGQB4Tg&m=5zaEVK5RNDwbS9aTb12R8QL2WLb6kTIaeJs2rMoJzy4&s=7awxyZ10R1hetx5kIPh3ZgycFoTZmyS6YsvUNLDhGNw&e=  
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>
> But any of the rebels can record a video that you can put on your 
> computer to play later during your live stream. Older Rebels (t3?) 
> only record 1280 x 720. Newer ones are full HD2.
>
> Britt
>
> *From: *SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- 
> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Patricia Savage 
> <[log in to unmask]>
> *Reply-To: *SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural Science Illustration- 
> <[log in to unmask]>
> *Date: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 2:24 PM
> *To: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject: *Re: [SCIART] [EXTERNAL] [SCIART] Equipment for online 
> teaching with Zoom
>
> Have any of you all used a DSLR for taking videos? Since I can take 
> video with my Canon Rebel, it just seems like a no brainer to try that 
> out first.  Pros? Cons?
>
> Cheers,
> Patricia Savage
>
> psavageart.com
> 919-438-6766
>
> On 5/6/20 1:23 PM, Lore Ruttan wrote:
>
>     I have the IPEVO V4k. Britt and I are going to check it out
>     tomorrow afternoon on Zoom if anyone else wants to join.
>
>     On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 1:04 PM Dorie Petrochko
>     <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>         Is it San Elmo doc camera?
>
>         On Wed, May 6, 2020, 12:29 PM Lore Ruttan <[log in to unmask]
>         <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>             Btw, if anyone wants to see what the doc camera image
>             looks like, feel free to post me privately and we can set
>             up a zoom.
>
>             Lore
>
>             On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:27 PM gretchen halpert
>             <[log in to unmask]
>             <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>                 Kathy,
>
>                 I'll try it with my camcorder and with my husband's
>                 iPhone, which is newer than mine, see what I find and
>                 report back. I will use the same set-up I do for
>                 filming, which is setting the camera on a boom
>                 attached to my tripod. This allows overhead
>                 filming/viewing and no movement vibrations. I control
>                 my camcorder with my iPad or iPhone, via Bluetooth,
>                 for zooming in and out without having to touch the
>                 camera, so there is no shake. Good lighting is crucial.
>
>                 As more artists are teaching online, options for
>                 products and process for doing it /well /and
>                 affordably will explode/./
>
>                 Sincerely,
>
>                 Gretchen
>
>                 Gretchen Halpert
>                 Illustrator/educator
>
>                 Scientific Illustration Distance Program
>
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>
>                 On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:22 PM Kathleen McKeehen
>                 <[log in to unmask]
>                 <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>                     Gretchen,
>
>                     That's the issue I've worried about too, and what
>                     kept me going back and forth between the various
>                     options and opinions on them.  But I've seen live
>                     demos using a good smart phone, and the clarity
>                     and sharpness was definitely sufficient. (The B&H
>                     guys said that there is a quality difference in
>                     various smart phones, and the good ones have
>                     excellent lenses in them that are up to the
>                     task.)  The instructor/friend was new to the
>                     online format, and struggled with it initially,
>                     but once she got good lighting and attached the
>                     phone to a tripod, not a clamp attached to the
>                     table she was working on (the slightest jiggle as
>                     she did the demo made it difficult to see clearly)
>                     the closeups allow students to see the live demo
>                     better than in the regular classroom. If the smart
>                     phone was an option for me, I'd probably go with
>                     one of those. I've also worked with a "Ladybug"
>                     device in our botanical group's workshops, and
>                     that also allows for good viewing of the demo; I'm
>                     still investigating whether that device can be
>                     linked up to Zoom, which is the format I'll be
>                     using at Gage. If the smart phone was an option
>                     for me, I'd probably go with it, but it isn't. I'm
>                     also hoping to do filmed tutorials, but really
>                     hoping to make the live demos work, too--will see
>                     when devices arrive this summer!
>
>                     Kathy
>
>                     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                     *From: *"gretchen halpert"
>                     <[log in to unmask]
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>                     *To: *"SciArt-L Discussion List-for Natural
>                     Science Illustration" <[log in to unmask]
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>                     *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:38:43 PM
>                     *Subject: *Re: [SCIART] [EXTERNAL] [SCIART]
>                     Equipment for online teaching with Zoom
>
>                     Marj,
>
>                     Are you finding your webcam is sharp enough for
>                     demonstrations like Kathy wants to do? My
>                     experience when I started teaching online was that
>                     live demonstrations were not sharp enough, and
>                     that the resolution varied according to students'
>                     equipment. I resolved this by making demonstration
>                     tutorials with a good quality video camera.
>                     Equipment has improved since I starting teaching
>                     online in 2014, but even with my Logitech camera,
>                     which I use instead of my build-in desktop camera,
>                     and the Sony camcorder I made videos with,
>                     students may not see live demonstrations sharply
>                     with their laptops.
>
>                     I'd love to be able to show live demonstrations as
>                     clearly as a recorded tutorial.
>
>                     Best,
>
>                     Gretchen
>
>                     Gretchen Halpert
>                     Illustrator/educator
>
>                     Scientific Illustration Distance Program
>
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>                     On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Marjorie Leggitt
>                     <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>                     wrote:
>
>                         Hi Karen.
>
>                         In Zoom, to access the camera and items on
>                         your desktop use the ”share“ button on the
>                         lower tool bar. This opens 2 levels of sharing
>                         capabilities. Desktop items are available
>                         through the normal share function and live
>                         stream camera is accessed through the advance
>                         share function.
>
>                         Marj
>
>                         Leggitt Design
>
>                         303.394.0566
>
>                             On May 3, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Karen Ackoff
>                             <[log in to unmask]
>                             <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>                             wrote:
>
>                             That’s great to know, Marj. Ecocam
>                             definitely sounds like it’s worth checking
>                             out. I assume you toggle cameras under the
>                             little camera icon at the bottom-left of
>                             the Zoom window?
>
>                             K
>
>                                 On May 3, 2020, at 10:23 PM, Marjorie
>                                 Leggitt <[log in to unmask]
>                                 <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>                                 Hi all.
>
>                                 The last few weeks I’ve been teaching
>                                 online using Zoom.
>
>                                 Yes you can toggle between the
>                                 computer camera on your face and
>                                 another camera on your work.
>
>                                 I’m using the free version of Ecocam
>                                 to turn my iPhone camera into a
>                                 webcam. (It’s fine for what I’m doing
>                                 but the “pay-for” version has focusing
>                                 capabilities, etc.) I toggle back and
>                                 forth between the camera showing me
>                                 taking, the webcam showing me working,
>                                 and jpgs of my students work in PS
>                                 which I critique and on which I do
>                                 live “mark ups” using my Wacom tablet.
>                                 It’s quite a versatile space!
>
>                                 Marj
>
>                                 Leggitt Design
>
>                                 303.394.0566
>
>                                     On May 3, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Karen
>                                     Ackoff
>                                     <[log in to unmask]
>                                     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>                                     wrote:
>
>                                     I’m interested in this as well…
>                                     I’m wondering, can you switch
>                                     between cameras on the fly within
>                                     Zoom? So you would have one camera
>                                     (the computer’s built-in camera)
>                                     focused on your face, and then
>                                     switch to a camera focused on your
>                                     work table.
>
>                                     I’ve been coming at this from the
>                                     audio end… as I’ve taken my
>                                     classical guitar lessons online.
>                                     And I’ve learned something that
>                                     may help with Zoom broadcasts in
>                                     general… Once Zoom is open, go to
>                                     Zoom preferences and click on the
>                                     Advanced button. Under Audio, turn
>                                     off (disable) suppression (there
>                                     are two instances). This
>                                     eliminates latency. So you hear
>                                     things as they occur, not a second
>                                     or two later. For music, this is
>                                     an issue. Also disabling
>                                     suppression means that Zoom does
>                                     not try to decide who is talking
>                                     over who, muting one of them. So
>                                     two people can talk, or in my
>                                     case, two people can play guitar
>                                     at the same time and both guitars
>                                     are heard.
>
>                                     I’ve decided, after a bit of
>                                     research, that $350 of equipment
>                                     does not improve the audio enough
>                                     to make it worth it. Though I can
>                                     say a modest cardioid condenser
>                                     mic helps a lot, eliminating
>                                     background noise (except maybe not
>                                     screaming cockatoos), depending on
>                                     the gain setting. I use a Blue
>                                     Yeti microphone that my guitar
>                                     teacher calls R2D2 (it’s a bit big).
>
>                                     Thanks, Britt. I’ll be watching
>                                     the links you provided with great
>                                     interest.
>
>                                     Karen
>
>                                         On May 3, 2020, at 4:09 PM,
>                                         Griswold, Britt
>                                         (GSFC-279.0)[LUSA Associates]
>                                         <[log in to unmask]
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>                                         wrote:
>
>                                         Some of the issues to think
>                                         about for webcams in a
>                                         demonstration video:
>
>                                         https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D5Uvraq8G0Qw&d=DwIDaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=AGYZ7-AeerjxzYnIwL-lBLFI3SPYN3BDmku4qGQB4Tg&m=5zaEVK5RNDwbS9aTb12R8QL2WLb6kTIaeJs2rMoJzy4&s=bXT_1MmGWCn2oGjrY04W_ABu9Uk5grmoHphf8bjVoCk&e= 
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>
>                                         Very interesting product here
>                                         if you want higher end webcam
>                                         result:
>
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>                                         Britt
>
>                                         *From: *SciArt-L Discussion
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>                                         Illustration-
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>                                         *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] [SCIART]
>                                         Equipment for online teaching
>                                         with Zoom
>
>                                         Like many other GNSI members,
>                                         my teaching gig has moved to
>                                         online instruction, and the
>                                         school hopes to continue
>                                         offering this option even
>                                         if/when things return to
>                                         "normal." So it's a format for
>                                         teaching I'd like to work
>                                         with. From the online classes
>                                         I've observed, instructors
>                                         utilize two cameras--the one
>                                         on their monitor, as they
>                                         speak to their students face
>                                         on, or perhaps hold something
>                                         up for viewing, and another of
>                                         some sort that can show the
>                                         demonstration of techniques,
>                                         which is usually rigged with
>                                         tripod or other device to
>                                         shoot from above. As I'm
>                                         teaching botanical painting
>                                         and drawing, I need something
>                                         that will show closeups with
>                                         sharp detail--my "big" brush
>                                         is a #3, and I am often using
>                                         a #2 WN mini. So it's
>                                         essential that whatever is
>                                         being used here can zoom in
>                                         closely and clearly, and feed
>                                         into the Zoom program easily.
>
>                                         According to my research so
>                                         far, many people use a smart
>                                         phone for this "camera". For
>                                         various reasons that's not a
>                                         good option for me. Others
>                                         seem to use web cams or
>                                         cameras, and reports seem to
>                                         contradict one another on the
>                                         efficacy of these. Web cams
>                                         appear to work nicely for
>                                         interfacing with Zoom, though
>                                         it seems like there's some
>                                         issue with whether one is
>                                         using a Mac or a PC as to how
>                                         well various brands work. Also
>                                         I can't seem to get a
>                                         consensus on which models
>                                         would be up to the task of
>                                         showing detailed work crisply
>                                         and clearly enough. Others
>                                         like to use cameras; again, no
>                                         consensus on which types or
>                                         models would work best for
>                                         this task.
>
>                                         The other issue is
>                                         availability--it looks like
>                                         most of the webcam options at
>                                         least wouldn't arrive until
>                                         mid-summer; since I won't be
>                                         teaching until fall quarter,
>                                         this would still work for me,
>                                         but it does make it a little
>                                         dicier, as I may not have the
>                                         option of buying, trying, and
>                                         returning a product that
>                                         doesn't work well for my
>                                         purposes with sufficient time
>                                         to try another. So I'd like to
>                                         be as sure as possible of what
>                                         I'm ordering now. Any specific
>                                         recommendations?
>
>                                         Thanks!
>
>                                         Kathy McKeehen
>
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