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Great to see all of these developments in DWC.
I was just wondering if it would be possible to add a "VerbatimLabels"
field which would contain everything that is on the label(s) of a specimen,
verbatim.

István

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:31 AM Katja Seltmann <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

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> is a fun application built to track (and cluster) names of people who
> collect and identify specimens. I was pretty amazed to see how many
> versions of my name were out there.
>
> "verbatimRecordedBy" might be a good candidate for community contribution
> for Darwin Core? There are many verbatim fields for sharing information,
> but not one for collector. The process of changing the standard starts with
> submitting a issue about it (documenting it) here:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_tdwg_dwc_blob_master_.github_CONTRIBUTING.md&d=DwIFaQ&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=-lUMCZ4RK28H4qvcd3vmEBuyVJHHG0OpDzFenR9wX-A&m=sYg-tOiBZJh7m_ZDjXN4GDJeI-jOLesSawcDiEANWqg&s=s2Dc-klcNoabHEYqBFm7o-Gq5kWfsfdwnykKy5TsGoY&e= 
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>
> We would need to make the request:
> * Submitter:*
>  Proponents (at least two independent parties who need this term):
> * Justification (why is this term necessary?):
>
> Best,
> Katja
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 4:59 PM Neil Stanley Cobb <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the correction Pam!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Entomological Collections Network Listserve <
>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Pamela Horsley
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:50 PM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* Re: database and collector's names
>>
>>
>>
>> Katja would know, but from a recent discussion with her, this is not a
>> great candidate for putting in the dynamicProperties field. If you do put
>> it in there, I think the format would be verbatimCollector:RB Hawkins, but
>> having the space is not good and it is just not the correct use of dynamic
>> properties. I would put this in Occurrence Remarks or Field Notes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will be making a similar decision soon with Collectors in Specify,
>> although I'm pretty sure you can variants like Crystal and Rachel mention.
>> BUT... in SCAN, I would probably write in the full name in Collector and
>> then have verbatimCollector in Occurrence Remarks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Pam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:32 PM Neil Stanley Cobb <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So I would put it into dynamicProperties and ideally it would be in json
>> format – Katja would know.
>>
>>
>>
>> I assume the MCZ "master" agent record was created by Paul Morris.  It
>> would be interesting to see where that capability is for all cms systems.
>> I like putting in verbatim agent in a master table better than the dynamicProperties
>> option, but is the master agent table only available in the MCZ database?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Entomological Collections Network Listserve <
>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Zhuang, Mingna
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:27 PM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* Re: database and collector's names
>>
>>
>>
>> ​Hi Christy,
>>
>>
>>
>> We also do things similar to MCZ in terms of attaching collector names
>> that are obvious. For ones that are not obvious, the system we use (Arctos)
>> has "verbatim collector" as an attribute. SCAN harvests our data from
>> Arctos and puts it into "Dynamic properties" when you view the full record
>> details.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Vicky (Mingna) Zhuang Ph. D.
>>
>> UTEP Biodiversity Collections Manager
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>> *From:* Entomological Collections Network Listserve <
>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Maier, Crystal <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 4:13 PM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* Re: database and collector's names
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Christy,
>>
>>
>>
>> We don't have a "verbatim collector" field in MCZBase. We attach the
>> collector name to the specimen that best fits the specimen label, unless
>> there is some ambiguity.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the label says "J. Smith" I will attach a person [agent] called "J.
>> Smith", unless there's come context that says otherwise.
>>
>> If it just says "Smith" we attach a person [agent] called "Smith",
>> unless there's come context that says otherwise.
>>
>> If it says "M. Thayer" [sorry, Margaret!] we'll attach the person [agent]
>> "Margaret Thayer" since that's a distinct enough name.
>>
>>
>>
>> One can add taxonomic or institutional knowledge to help guide, but when
>> in doubt, I would go with a more general person [agent]
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a case for having either a "verbatim label" field for the
>> specimen, or label images attached to the record that serve as a voucher in
>> cases of interpretation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that makes sense!
>>
>>
>>
>> Crystal
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 6:06 PM Christy Bills <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Quick question:
>>
>>
>>
>> When you are databasing specimens, if the label has a collector's
>> initials, or some other shortened version of their name, but you know who
>> it is, do you transcribe into the database who you are 99% sure the
>> collector is or do you faithfully record the label data exactly as is?
>>
>>
>>
>> We are using Symbiota/SCAN and I don't see a field where it would be
>> appropriate to make a notation that we made that assumption (like "verbatim
>> collector data").
>>
>>
>>
>> Is this just me?  tbh, I'm finding it difficult to concentrate since this
>> has all gone down!
>>
>> Happy to get replies just to me so we don't clutter this list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Christy Bills
>> Invertebrate Collections Manager
>> Natural History Museum of Utah
>> 301 Wakara Way
>> Salt Lake City, Utah 84108
>>
>> pronouns: she/her
>>
>>
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>> --
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>> Crystal A. Maier, Ph.D.
>>
>> Curatorial Associate, Entomology
>>
>> Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard University
>>
>> 26 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA, 02138 U.S.A.
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István Mikó PhD
Collection Manager
University of New Hampshire Collection of insects and other arthropods
Department of Biological Sciences
University of New Hampshire
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