Great to see all of these developments in DWC. 
I was just wondering if it would be possible to add a "VerbatimLabels" field which would contain everything that is on the label(s) of a specimen, verbatim.


On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:31 AM Katja Seltmann <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
If you have not seen it yet, check out It is a fun application built to track (and cluster) names of people who collect and identify specimens. I was pretty amazed to see how many versions of my name were out there. 

"verbatimRecordedBy" might be a good candidate for community contribution for Darwin Core? There are many verbatim fields for sharing information, but not one for collector. The process of changing the standard starts with submitting a issue about it (documenting it) here:

We would need to make the request:
* Submitter:*
 Proponents (at least two independent parties who need this term):
* Justification (why is this term necessary?):



On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 4:59 PM Neil Stanley Cobb <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Thanks for the correction Pam!


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Katja would know, but from a recent discussion with her, this is not a great candidate for putting in the dynamicProperties field. If you do put it in there, I think the format would be verbatimCollector:RB Hawkins, but having the space is not good and it is just not the correct use of dynamic properties. I would put this in Occurrence Remarks or Field Notes.


I will be making a similar decision soon with Collectors in Specify, although I'm pretty sure you can variants like Crystal and Rachel mention.  BUT... in SCAN, I would probably write in the full name in Collector and then have verbatimCollector in Occurrence Remarks.


Good luck! 



On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:32 PM Neil Stanley Cobb <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

So I would put it into dynamicProperties and ideally it would be in json format – Katja would know.


I assume the MCZ "master" agent record was created by Paul Morris.  It would be interesting to see where that capability is for all cms systems.  I like putting in verbatim agent in a master table better than the dynamicProperties option, but is the master agent table only available in the MCZ database?


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​Hi Christy, 


We also do things similar to MCZ in terms of attaching collector names that are obvious. For ones that are not obvious, the system we use (Arctos) has "verbatim collector" as an attribute. SCAN harvests our data from Arctos and puts it into "Dynamic properties" when you view the full record details.


Hope that helps,

Vicky (Mingna) Zhuang Ph. D.

UTEP Biodiversity Collections Manager

B209 Biology Building

Biological Sciences

University of Texas El Paso

500 University Ave

El Paso, TX, 79968

Phone: 915-747-5479

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Hi Christy, 


We don't have a "verbatim collector" field in MCZBase. We attach the collector name to the specimen that best fits the specimen label, unless there is some ambiguity.


If the label says "J. Smith" I will attach a person [agent] called "J. Smith", unless there's come context that says otherwise. 

If it just says "Smith" we attach a person [agent] called "Smith",  unless there's come context that says otherwise. 

If it says "M. Thayer" [sorry, Margaret!] we'll attach the person [agent] "Margaret Thayer" since that's a distinct enough name. 


One can add taxonomic or institutional knowledge to help guide, but when in doubt, I would go with a more general person [agent]


This is a case for having either a "verbatim label" field for the specimen, or label images attached to the record that serve as a voucher in cases of interpretation.


Hope that makes sense!





On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 6:06 PM Christy Bills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Quick question:


When you are databasing specimens, if the label has a collector's initials, or some other shortened version of their name, but you know who it is, do you transcribe into the database who you are 99% sure the collector is or do you faithfully record the label data exactly as is?


We are using Symbiota/SCAN and I don't see a field where it would be appropriate to make a notation that we made that assumption (like "verbatim collector data").


Is this just me?  tbh, I'm finding it difficult to concentrate since this has all gone down!

Happy to get replies just to me so we don't clutter this list.


Thank you!


Christy Bills
Invertebrate Collections Manager
Natural History Museum of Utah
301 Wakara Way
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108

pronouns: she/her


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Curatorial Associate, Entomology 

Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard University

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