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Mike, conditions have changed at the University of Iowa. Since taking on management of the collections, I have been awarded several state and federal grants to rehouse and digitize the insect collection, and additional material from the biology building was reintegrated. Many of the Wickham specimens that we do have were found in the biology building, having wandered down the street with faculty in 1926, when the biology department moved out of the building that houses the museum. Our insect collections are in modern drawers, unit trays, and cabinets, in a climate-controlled room.


Cindy Opitz (she/her)
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Museum of Natural History and Old Capitol Museum
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From: Michael A. Ivie <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 11:54 AM
To: Opitz, Cindy E <[log in to unmask]>; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [External] Re: Ebay Collection


I visited the UofI Museum looking for Wickam material a dozen years ago, and the insect collection, such as it was, was in a blazing  hot attic. It took several inquiries to find someone who even knew it existed.   All that remained was poorly housed and greatly neglected.  The best thing we found was a nice historic Rhode Island collection that no one in the museum seemed to know they even had.  We were unable to find the Wickham collections.  It seems lucky that he sent out so many duplicates, as his home institution clearly did  not value his main collection.  It would seem unwise to return material there, given the history.

Mike
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As the director of research collections at the University of Iowa Museum of Natural History, formerly the State University of Iowa and Wickham's home institution, I would be happy to receive unwanted Wickham specimens. Most of his collection was given to the NMNH and the rest distributed to others, so we have very little left here in house.

And regarding specimens, aren't all data points important, each contributing to our understanding of our natural world-past, present, and future-and not just the type specimens?


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Subject: [External] Re: Ebay Collection

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Mike,

I agree, older does not mean better, Wickham's name stuck out to me since I recognize the labels, as well as Chandler's specimens, etc.,. The loss of duplicates is unfortunate since the specimens could have been of use in a research collection lacking those taxa/records instead of wasting away in a personal collection.

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From: Ivie, Michael <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 9:32 PM
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Gene,
Why is a unique Wickham species/locality more important than any other collector's?  And, Wickham's data are generally terrible.  Probably far more valuable stuff in the other material, as Wickham material exchanged like that is all duplicates anyway. Veneration of material just because it is old seems misplaced to me.
Mike

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From: Hall, Wesley E - (wehall) <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: Ebay Collection

Hi Mike,

Yes, I'm aware of Wickham's specimens in collections, my point was more about the potential historic importance of the specimens if these particular species and localities aren't present in collections. Unfortunately, we won't know based on the condition of the material.

Cheers,
Gene

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From: Ivie, Michael <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 9:19 PM
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Subject: [EXT]Re: Ebay Collection


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Gene,
Why is this particularly disturbing?  There are Wickham duplicates in almost every old beetle collection, and unless they are types, they are not very important.
Mike

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Subject: Re: Ebay Collection

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The fact that I see HF Wickham specimens from the late 1800s in the Coccinellidae box is bit disturbing...

Gene Hall
University of Arizona Insect Collection (Manager)
& CALS Cooperative Extension (Insect Diagnostics)
Department of Entomology
1140 E. South Campus Dr.
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ  85721
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In my view, if someone did push it off Ebay, it would only mean no-one would ever know about it, and it would be more likely to end up in a dumpster.

I prefer to have these things where, as this thread shows, they are visible to scrutiny and consideration. If this had been full of loaned types, it could have been reclaimed by the entomological community relatively easily- while if it couldn't be sold on Ebay, it would most likely just get thrown away or put in the back of a garage where the dermestids would finish the job-

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Insects: Coleoptera
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Subject: Re: Ebay Collection

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FYI the person got back to me quickly and said "This was a very odd find for me. There was a sign in Tempe that said "Free Sale". The entire contents of a house was slowly put out in the driveway for over a week. Every single day new items until everything was gone. I could tell that it was the estate of an entomologist. There were tons of entomology magazines and books. A lot of government agriculture books and pamphlets about insect pests. I didn't get any of those. A friend of mine did and sold one rare textbook recently, the rest he donated. I'm guessing that the person passed away and his kids emptied the house so they could put it on the market and flip it quick. That actually happens quite often around here. I know two houses on my friends street on the same week where they threw away the entire contents of the house to flip them quick. Antiques, gold and silver jewelry, etc. everything in the garbage. But I digress. I sold a couple empty cases. And unfortunately the specimens had completely disintegrated in some cases due to other insects eating them. My friend sold a couple also. I have one other large glass display of insects that's too fragile to ship that I'm not going to list for that reason. I can send you some pictures of that one when I get some time to go dig it out of storage."

I highly doubt ebay would cancel a transaction, it would take them a week or two to review and by then the damage is done. I flag things on the site when I come across them (ivory, coral, CITES, etc), but they have generally stopped bothering to take down obviously illegal wildlife, let alone something like this.

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On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Brower, Andrew V - APHIS <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

I think if somebody says something to Ebay the deal will be cancelled.


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Yikes, good catch! I was writing a talk about this for SPNHC2020 before the world fell apart. A great example of someone unwittingly selling off what looks to be loaned material from the William Iselin collection (maybe K-State?). I've reached out to the seller to inquire but essentially nothing can be done other than purchasing the specimens back. It looks like someone already got the good box of Buprestids. The rest looks like a loss.

Chris

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On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:53 PM, Anthony Deczynski <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

There's a small insect collection selling on Ebay out of Glendale AZ right now if anyone has the funds and wants to save it. Looks like it may contain some loan materials- specimens collected by Don Chandler in California in 1970 caught my eye in the coccinellids. Looks like two boxes may have sold already, I can find the completed listing for one and it was empty.

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